LOST (Game Over)

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13375 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:48 am

In post 13347, MalcolmTucker wrote:Sorry catching up. Given my thoughts previous day I'm largely back to Rad - feels like the second time Rad has latched onto an easyish elimination target who wasn't necessarily too high activity to save their own skin and look like they were being reasonable by being willing to compromise.

Fair enough, the wagon built and dissolved quickly. But why is rad scummy for compromising when you do the same thing?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13376 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:49 am

In post 13372, MalcolmTucker wrote:I believed BBT was town and little has changed that since. I believe Johnny is very likely town and wasn't interested in going there either

I kind of think your Johnny read is incoherent

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13377 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:52 am

In post 12234, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 12230, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -
some soft TR's
with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.
I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?
If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????
My primary reason for switching on Johnny was the Math/Johnny interactions for the most part. Don't believe they can be paired.

Beyond that I think Johnny's pushes have been solid this turn and we're agreeing on quite a bit now. Maybe a risk I'm getting pocketed but I think it's much more likely Johnny is also town and our views are just aligning on lots of things.

In post 12235, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 11363, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 11346, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following
Math's
elimination.
How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?
Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. 10685 outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.
No, it was bella...

I feel like you struggle to remember why you townread Johnny.

And furthermore, your townread was voting for me and you never seemed keen to join him.

MalcolmTucker · Post Post #13378 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:06 pm

In post 13375, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 13347, MalcolmTucker wrote:Sorry catching up. Given my thoughts previous day I'm largely back to Rad - feels like the second time Rad has latched onto an easyish elimination target who wasn't necessarily too high activity to save their own skin and look like they were being reasonable by being willing to compromise.
Fair enough, the wagon built and dissolved quickly. But why is rad scummy for compromising when you do the same thing?

I was compromising because I was the primary alternative elimination for a long time - from that POV as town Mala remained a better elimination even on a slim chance they were scum. As I've said, the alternative wagons weren't better for me. Hence I stuck to Mala.

With Rad, I think their compromises have often been opportunistic when an easy opportunity has arisen to eliminate a townie.

MalcolmTucker · Post Post #13379 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:09 pm

In post 13376, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 13372, MalcolmTucker wrote:I believed BBT was town and little has changed that since. I believe Johnny is very likely town and wasn't interested in going there either
I kind of think your Johnny read is incoherent

I'm not sure why you think this.

I've stated several times Johnny's interactions with scum didn't strike me as aligned. I also increasingly mindmelded with them in a way I felt was unlikely to be scum.

Also, if I'm scum, what's my motive for suddenly going from scum to town on Johnny? It's a slot I could've pushed reasonably as scum continually, no? Suspicion has remained there and it'd have been a viable alternative if I wanted to divert away from Mala at any point. I'm not sure what I particularly gain from backing off Johnny as scum? My read there is a perfectly natural development where I've reassessed a player as the game has gone on.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13380 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:43 pm

In post 13379, MalcolmTucker wrote:I've stated several times Johnny's interactions with scum didn't strike me as aligned.

This is the confusing bit in 13377
Not to mention vague... Why were Bella's interactions not clearing for mala but clearing for Johnny?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13381 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:44 pm

In post 13379, MalcolmTucker wrote:Also, if I'm scum, what's my motive for suddenly going from scum to town on Johnny?

Scum have to fake progressions

And some louder players like Luke and RcEnigma were townreading Johnny from the bella flip, so it's not unreasonable for scum to drop their push

ProfessorDrapion · Post Post #13382 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:03 pm

In post 13349, butterflies wrote:
In post 13340, ProfessorDrapion wrote:BBT I’m down for a C&G wagon how about you?

In post 13346, Rad wrote:VOTE: c&g

counter wagon choo choo all aboard
DNA!town confirmed.

Both of you voting together again. I’m sure that’s a complete coincidence.

~Nancyfly

What is this shade lol?
I haven’t voted yet.
I actually find Rad’s vote bad cause I didn’t even get a chance to respond to BBT.

ProfessorDrapion · Post Post #13383 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:07 pm

I really don’t get what Butterflies point in doing this is from a town perspective. I mean they are almost lock town like very close to it but I only see wolf agenda from what they are doing so id like an explanation from them about why they keep bringing shade on me/Rad.

Wolf Agenda - Try and either Split the T/T up or just try and convince enough people they can be W/W and get Rad and then night kill Drap (of which Pooky can also be doing if wolf.)

CSF is doing the same with Malcolm in regards to Johnny. Break up T/T.

So it’s like, please everyone explain your thoughts just a bit more or explain directly to me what your point of the post was.

ProfessorDrapion · Post Post #13384 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:08 pm

In post 13381, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 13379, MalcolmTucker wrote:Also, if I'm scum, what's my motive for suddenly going from scum to town on Johnny?
Scum have to fake progressions

And some louder players like Luke and RcEnigma were townreading Johnny from the bella flip, so it's not unreasonable for scum to drop their push

“Fake Progressions”
Do you think Malcolm is making up a read on Johnny and do you think it TMI’s Johnny an alignment? Do you think it’s NAI but just a really wolfy made up read?

What is point?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #13385 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:12 pm

Just updating these for now. Still not a whole lot to go of from a quick skim

In post 12451, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Spoiler: D1 VCs
In post 179, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.67
Cephrir
(Klick,
Bellaphant
, BlueBloodedToffee,
Dwlee99
, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

2 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Lukewarm
,
Bell
)

1
Enchant
(
Cephrir
)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1
Corwin
(Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (
Frogsterking
)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,
Roden
,
Corwinoid
,
Enchant
,
Dunnstral
, JohnnyFarrar,
T-Bone
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 700, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.124
Cephrir
(BlueBloodedToffee,
Dwlee99
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Bell
)
4
Frogsterking
(JohnnyFarrar,
Roden
,
Cephrir
,
Lukewarm
)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (
Bellaphant
, The toad)
2
T-Bone
(PenguinPower,
Enchant
)

1
Bellaphant
(
Frogsterking
)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
)
1
Lukewarm
(Galron)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker,
Corwinoid
,
Dunnstral
,
T-Bone
, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 1033, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.166
Frogsterking
(JohnnyFarrar,
Roden
,
Cephrir
,
Lukewarm
, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)

3 BlueBloodedToffee (
Dunnstral
, Cat Scratch Fever,
Frogsterking
)

2 Galron (
Bellaphant
, The toad)
2
T-Bone
(PenguinPower,
Enchant
)

1
Cephrir
(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1
Bell
(
T-Bone
)
1
Dwlee99
(
Bell
)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Taly, MalcolmTucker,
Corwinoid
, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,
Dwlee99
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 1075, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.175
Frogsterking
(JohnnyFarrar,
Roden
,
Lukewarm
, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (
Dunnstral
, Cat Scratch Fever,
Frogsterking
,
Cephrir
, PenguinPower)

2 Galron (
Bellaphant
, The toad)

1
T-Bone
(
Enchant
)
1
Cephrir
(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1
Bell
(
T-Bone
)
1
Dwlee99
(
Bell
)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Taly, MalcolmTucker,
Corwinoid
, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,
Dwlee99
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 1300, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.207
Frogsterking
(JohnnyFarrar,
Roden
,
Lukewarm
, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets,
Enchant
)

6 BlueBloodedToffee (
Dunnstral
, Cat Scratch Fever,
Frogsterking
,
Cephrir
, PenguinPower,
Bellaphant
)

1 Galron (The toad)
1
Cephrir
(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1
Bell
(
T-Bone
)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (
Bell
)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker,
Corwinoid
, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,
Dwlee99
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 1875, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.224
Frogsterking
(JohnnyFarrar,
Lukewarm
, Galron,
Enchant
)
4
Cephrir
(PookyTheMagicalBear,
Frogsterking
,
Roden
, Klick)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (
Dunnstral
, PenguinPower)

1 Galron (The toad)
1
T-Bone
(Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
)
1
Bell
(T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (
Bell
)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Dwlee99
)
1 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker,
Corwinoid
, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, BlueBloodedToffee,
Bellaphant
, Dancing Puppets,
Cephrir
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 3408, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.266
Mathblade
(PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad,
Dunnstral
, Klick,
Cephrir
,
Bell
)

3 Klick (
Lukewarm
,
T-Bone
, Dancing Puppets)

2 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)

1
Roden
(Cat Scratch Fever)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1
Frogsterking
(
Mathblade
)
1
Cephrir
(
Roden
)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Dwlee99
)
1
Dunnstral
(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (
Enchant
)
1
Dwlee99
(
Frogsterking
)
1 Rad (ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine,
Bellaphant
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 4051, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.277
Roden
(
Frogsterking
, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker,
Bellaphant
,
Dunnstral
, Klick)

3 Klick (
Lukewarm
,
T-Bone
,
Bell
)

2 Dancing Puppets (
Malakittens
, Best Bird)
2
Mathblade
(
Cephrir
, ProfessorDrapion)
2 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar,
Enchant
)

1 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook)
1
Frogsterking
(
Mathblade
)
1
Cephrir
(
Roden
)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Dwlee99
)
1
Dunnstral
(BlueBloodedToffee)

Not Voting (Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 5235, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.275
Frogsterking
(ProfessorDrapion,
Enchant
, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Lukewarm
)

3
Malakittens
(Rad, Klick,
Bellaphant
)
3 Taly (
Malakittens
,
Bell
,
Cephrir
)
3
Dunnstral
(BlueBloodedToffee,
Roden
, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2
Enchant
(
Frogsterking
,
T-Bone
)

1
Cephrir
(Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (
Mathblade
)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Dwlee99
)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine,
Dunnstral
, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 5387, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.286
Malakittens
(Rad, Klick,
Bellaphant
, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever,
Frogsterking
)
6
Frogsterking
(ProfessorDrapion,
Enchant
, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Lukewarm
,
Mathblade
)

3 Taly (
Malakittens
,
Bell
,
Cephrir
)
3
Dunnstral
(BlueBloodedToffee,
Roden
, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1
Enchant
(
T-Bone
)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Dwlee99
)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine,
Dunnstral
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 6110, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 1.296
Frogsterking
(ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Mathblade
,
Lukewarm
, JohnnyFarrar)

4 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker,
Cephrir
)
4 Taly (
Malakittens
,
Bell
,
Dunnstral
, Cat Scratch Fever)

3
Malakittens
(Klick,
Bellaphant
,
T-Bone
)

2
Dunnstral
(BlueBloodedToffee,
Roden
)

1 PookyTheMagicalBear (
Dwlee99
)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1
Cephrir
(Dancing Puppets)
1
Lukewarm
(
Frogsterking
)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Rad,
Enchant
)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

In post 12453, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Spoiler: D2 VCs
In post 8257, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 2.17
Mathblade
(
Lukewarm
,
Bell
, Taly, Cat Scratch Fever, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Off the Hook)
3 Bluebloodedtoffee (
Mathblade
,
Roden
, Dancing Puppets)
1 JohnnyFarrar (PookyTheMagicalBear)
1
Bellaphant
(ProfessorDrapion)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Rad)
1 Taly (
Enchant
)

Not Voting (
Bellaphant
,
Dwlee99
, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar,
Malakittens
,
T-Bone
, Mislim Bait, MalcolmTucker)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

In post 9196, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 2.35
Mathblade
(
Lukewarm
,
Bell
, Taly, RCEnigma, PookyTheMagicalBear)
4 Bluebloodedtoffee (
Mathblade
,
Roden
, Mislim Bait, Cat Scratch Fever)

3 Cytosine and Guanine (Rad, BlueBloodedToffee,
T-Bone
)

1
Enchant
(Dancing Puppets)
1
Bellaphant
(ProfessorDrapion)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Enchant
)

Not Voting (
Bellaphant
,
butterchurn
, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar,
Malakittens
, MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

In post 9658, Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote Count 2.412
Mathblade
(
Bell
, Taly, RCEnigma, ProfessorDrapion,
butterchurn
, Cat Scratch Fever, MalcolmTucker, Rad, PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, Off the Hook,
Bellaphant
)

4 Cytosine and Guanine (BlueBloodedToffee,
T-Bone
,
Lukewarm
, JohnnyFarrar)

2 Bluebloodedtoffee (
Mathblade
,
Roden
)

1 MalcolmTucker (Mislim Bait)
1
Enchant
(Dancing Puppets)
1 Dancing Puppets (
Enchant
)

Not Voting (
Malakittens
, Cytosine and Guanine)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

butterflies · Post Post #13386 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:23 pm

In post 13383, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I really don’t get what Butterflies point in doing this is from a town perspective. I mean they are almost lock town like very close to it but I only see wolf agenda from what they are doing so id like an explanation from them about why they keep bringing shade on me/Rad.

Wolf Agenda - Try and either Split the T/T up or just try and convince enough people they can be W/W and get Rad and then night kill Drap (of which Pooky can also be doing if wolf.)

CSF is doing the same with Malcolm in regards to Johnny. Break up T/T.

So it’s like, please everyone explain your thoughts just a bit more or explain directly to me what your point of the post was.

Yes, I’m the one who advocated trying to lim the hard claimed town doc before they even got a chance to post their most recent NA.

Oh wait, that was YOU.

~Nancyfly

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13387 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:25 pm

In post 13384, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Do you think Malcolm is making up a read on Johnny and do you think it TMI’s Johnny an alignment? Do you think it’s NAI but just a really wolfy made up read?

Yeah I think it's made up? That's the whole point of my posts on this page...

If you look at why Malcolm townreads Johnny, he says it's:

1. because Bella pushed Johnny

2. later, he says MathBlade's interactions cleared Johnny (then further amends this by saying he confused Bella with MathBlade, which is plausible... this is a long game)

>>> 3. I ask why Malcolm is voting Mala on day 5 when Bella pushed Mala equally as hard as Johnny - shouldn't that be equally clearing from Malcolm's perspective due to point #1? <<< This is in 12230

where I repeated the exact reason Malcolm originally townread Johnny

(i.e. point #1).

4. in response to 3, Malcolm says he's actually tr'ing Johnny b/c of his interactions with *MathBlade*, not Bella. Somehow he forgot why he townread Johnny in spite of me spelling it out for him in the post he's responding to.

5. I point out the contradiction in #1 and #4 - the idea was to see if Malcolm evaluates his Mala read and radio silence. Instead, Malcolm leaves his vote on Mala who flipped town.

6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #13388 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:28 pm

Mislim, Yeet and Butter all haven't posted for 6 days+

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13389 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:30 pm

In post 13387, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

I'll follow this up by saying it's easy to forget some small things in a 500+ game with 26p.

It's NOT as easy for town to forget why your scumread on someone changed to a townread. That's what made the progression feel made up.

butterflies · Post Post #13390 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:40 pm

In post 13388, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Mislim, Yeet and Butter all haven't posted for 6 days+

@mod, please prod Mislim, Yeet and Butter, thanks

butterchurn · Post Post #13391 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:47 pm

I actually just opened the thread to check in. Night phase lasted over 4 days, so it's only been about 24 hours of this day phase. I am quite busy at the moment and won't be able to post extensively, my apologies. I'm primarily interested in Rad and Malcolm at the moment.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13392 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:52 pm

In post 13387, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 13384, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Do you think Malcolm is making up a read on Johnny and do you think it TMI’s Johnny an alignment? Do you think it’s NAI but just a really wolfy made up read?
Yeah I think it's made up? That's the whole point of my posts on this page...

If you look at why Malcolm townreads Johnny, he says it's:

1. because Bella pushed Johnny

Spoiler:
In post 10685, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 10649, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I disagree that she really pushed Johnny. Shaded yes but not really pushed. She never once voted for Johnny.

She also often brought up mala when she shaded Johnny, which makes me think she was trying to tie a partner to town.

As someone who's suspected Johnny for most of the game I think they're more likely to be town on the basis of Bella's posts.
The reads aren't consistently incredibly strong and they're definitely hedgy at times but I think it can be argued in retrospect a lot of Bella's play was coming from hedgy scum. In a game of this size, I don't think it's tactically wise to have down your "main" scumread as a teammate, especially when it's a teammate who is susceptible to suspicion as Johnny has been for plenty of the game so far. I'll do some ISO checks to make sure but moving Johnny more into my town-pile for now.

2. later, he says MathBlade's interactions cleared Johnny (then further amends this in 11363 by saying he confused Bella with MathBlade, which is plausible... this is a long game)

>>> 3. I ask why Malcolm is voting Mala on day 5 when Bella pushed Mala equally as hard as Johnny - shouldn't that be equally clearing from Malcolm's perspective due to point #1? <<< This is in 12230
where I repeated the exact reason Malcolm originally townread Johnny
(i.e. point #1).

Spoiler:
In post 12230, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -
some soft TR's
with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.
I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?
If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????

4. in response to 3, Malcolm says he's actually tr'ing Johnny b/c of his interactions with *MathBlade*, not Bella. Somehow he forgot why he townread Johnny in spite of me spelling it out for him in the post he's responding to.

Spoiler:
In post 12234, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 12230, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -
some soft TR's
with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.
I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?
If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????
My primary reason for switching on Johnny was the Math/Johnny interactions for the most part. Don't believe they can be paired.

Beyond that I think Johnny's pushes have been solid this turn and we're agreeing on quite a bit now. Maybe a risk I'm getting pocketed but I think it's much more likely Johnny is also town and our views are just aligning on lots of things.

5. I point out the contradiction in #1 and #4 - the idea was to see if Malcolm evaluates his Mala read and radio silence. Instead, Malcolm leaves his vote on Mala who flipped town.

Spoiler:
In post 12235, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 11363, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 11346, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following
Math's
elimination.
How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?
Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. 10685 outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.
No, it was bella...

6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

Added some posts

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13393 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:53 pm

VOTE: Malcolm

Best Bird · Post Post #13394 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:12 pm

Hey CSF...you read Luke's thoughts on Rad that I posted a few pages back

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #13395 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:46 pm

OK, so I ISO'd Johnny because I don't have much of a read there and my only thoughts come from potential Bella spew.

Spoiler: Johnny on Frog

All of that from Frog happens in a relatively short amount of time, approx 3 IRL days.

The main takeaway for me is the fact that Johnny keeps a weak vote on Frog for quite some time and with pressure building. Frog maintains scum reads on either Corwin, Johnny or Bella pretty much the entire time. Do these reads contribute to Johnny being unwilling to move his vote off of Frog? When he moves to Malcolm, it is only because the Frog wagon has completely fallen apart, but I know he returns to Frog later in the Day again. I need to see how this progresses but because this took me way longer than I thought it was going to, I'll have to continue it another time.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13396 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:49 pm

In post 13394, Best Bird wrote:Hey CSF...you read Luke's thoughts on Rad that I posted a few pages back

I think the first point ("can talking to dead ppl be a scum role or not") is decent, since there's some contradiction in what rad is saying (I actually noticed the same thing too when I ISO'd Rad yesterDay). But in 340, he also says it "initially sounds like a townie type of power" so I dunno

It is certainly possible that Rad used the Mala TR to attack Luke in a reachy manner, but I'm not sure if that's scummy or a side effect of early game scumreads being inherently reachy

PenguinPower · Post Post #13397 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:54 pm

That's somehwat what I wanted to hear. Did you think his 11505 was a good response given your 11500?

Best Bird · Post Post #13398 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:54 pm

In post 13397, PenguinPower wrote:That's somehwat what I wanted to hear. Did you think his 11505 was a good response given your 11500?

oops

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #13399 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:57 pm

In post 13397, PenguinPower wrote:That's somehwat what I wanted to hear. Did you think his 11505 was a good response given your 11500?

I thought it was possible he is town here, and just forgot he had this thought earlier because this game is very long

but that post didn't sway my read on him because what else can you say as scum