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In post 7, furtiveglance wrote: Eternal King DomYOUR AD HERE
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mod, I will be VLA Feb 13-17. Just fyi
Noted. ~DLast edited by Datisi on Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:15 am, edited 1 time in total.YOUR AD HERE
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Why are you townreading it?In post 26, Gimli wrote:
I wanna townread this, can I townread this?In post 22, Mistyx wrote: hahahaha FOOLS
You scum know not what you are dealing with. Prepare to face the wrath of Mistyx the Mighty, carrier of villages, ender of scum! Tremble before me!YOUR AD HERE
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CriminalIn post 69, furtiveglance wrote: one day I'll watch an animeYOUR AD HERE
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Why do you townread them?In post 99, Asri Teroka wrote: This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive
They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!
The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.YOUR AD HERE
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Morning Tweet did nothing wrong. AMAYOUR AD HERE
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Orange and gray today.In post 162, Firebringer wrote:
what color are your socksIn post 160, VP Baltar wrote: Morning Tweet did nothing wrong. AMAYOUR AD HERE
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You have examples of furtive going hard early?In post 178, Gimli wrote:
two thingsIn post 176, Black wrote: UNVOTE: redFF
I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.
Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive
I know furtive and I know he goes hard early as town. this is uncharacteristic I promise you.
out of all top posters he is the only one who didn't drop a single read in those pages when other people were doing that. he was ignoring the mafia playing parts of the conversation.
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Klick, do you think you are a defensive person usually?YOUR AD HERE
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hmmIn post 228, Aristeia wrote: I'm mostly just here to shitpost though.YOUR AD HERE
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Apart from my MT comment, where am I casting doubt?In post 255, Mistyx wrote: cakez taly gut town
i don't really like vp's posts so far it seems like he's just trying to cast doubt on standing reads without providing any of his own
VOTE: VP Baltar
Also, how is me saying I don't agree MT looks scummy not providing a read? Should be pretty clear from that post I don't agree that she looks scummy.YOUR AD HERE
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As CSF said, I don't see how this answers my actual question. You're standing by it...that's fine. I wasn't really saying you shouldn't. I want you to explain your thinking so I can understand where you're coming from.In post 325, Asri Teroka wrote: This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!YOUR AD HERE
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VOTE: asri
I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.YOUR AD HERE
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This also feels incredibly lazy to meIn post 400, Aristeia wrote: i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly
i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.
id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.YOUR AD HERE
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Just a min, I'll grab quotesIn post 411, furtiveglance wrote: Who didn't they answer about^?YOUR AD HERE
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This sums it up.In post 325, Asri Teroka wrote:
This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!In post 108, VP Baltar wrote:
Why do you townread them?In post 99, Asri Teroka wrote: This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive
They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!
The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.
Klick and Red do seem good for now?
This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.
Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."
I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.
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I mean, it's not a pressure vote. I think it's pretty scummy, trying to fit in behavior. There is no curiosity or sense of trying to figure the game out here. Just absolute certainty in reads.In post 419, Klick wrote: Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive
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What's your tldr on MT?In post 446, Taly wrote: unless someone refutes my vote I see no reason to consider other options at this momentYOUR AD HERE
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This one can leave this mortal coil!In post 450, Asri Teroka wrote: This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.
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All being pushed by other people and ari isn't actually adding to those conversations.In post 490, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Why are those reads lazy?In post 413, VP Baltar wrote:
This also feels incredibly lazy to meIn post 400, Aristeia wrote: i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly
i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.
id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.YOUR AD HERE
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Disarming me by being sweet. I see I see.In post 580, Aristeia wrote: I personally find Baltar very entertaining.YOUR AD HERE
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You're literally trying to make the argument against me that I'm making to Asri...reads that disconnected from substance and true belief.In post 535, petapan wrote:In post 424, VP Baltar wrote:
I mean, it's not a pressure vote. I think it's pretty scummy, trying to fit in behavior. There is no curiosity or sense of trying to figure the game out here. Just absolute certainty in reads.In post 419, Klick wrote: Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive
I think they should have some time to do their thing
i don't believe this is at all genuine from baltar, he's focusing on something simplistic to push on that doesn't have any actual connection to whether the person is scumIn post 452, VP Baltar wrote:
This one can leave this mortal coil!In post 450, Asri Teroka wrote: This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.
This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!
You fucking with me here?YOUR AD HERE
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That's adorable you think I'm good at mafiaIn post 592, Firebringer wrote: I do find it interesting that a wagon formed on someone who i consider one of the strongest players in this game so fast.
Though maybe that doesn't mean anything.
Would scum push VPB or avoid him?
What if VPB is scum and i am just blind?
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Lol do I need to remind you of the drapion incidentIn post 593, furtiveglance wrote: If you guys gladiate I'm backing VP^YOUR AD HERE
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I'm not saying "you too"In post 646, petapan wrote:
"you too" is not a convincing defense, nor is what i'm saying remotely similar to youIn post 588, VP Baltar wrote:
You're literally trying to make the argument against me that I'm making to Asri...reads that disconnected from substance and true belief.In post 535, petapan wrote: i don't believe this is at all genuine from baltar, he's focusing on something simplistic to push on that doesn't have any actual connection to whether the person is scum
You fucking with me here?
your argument is that asri refusing to explain their reads makes them scum who is faking opinions
i don't think this is a remotely correct tell and in the case of a clear gimmick alt is likely intentionally stylistic. i don't find it super endearing but someone refusing to explain their reads in the early game certainly isn't a scumtell and you've played enough to know that
this doesn't particularly make asri town, however your case looks like one scum would make
your two pushes so far are downright horrendous in their reasoning, borderline nonsensical, and look significantly more like scum stretching to make irrelevant things look scummy because you can't make a real case
I'm saying you can't seriously expect someone to take you as credible when you're literally making essentially the same argument as a reason to call me bad.
You can call me "horrendous" for making thin pushes in early game ... but what do you expect cases to be at this point in a large game?
I don't think my reasoning of scum faking townreads for malarkey reasons WHICH HAPPENS IN LITERALLY EVERY GAME EVER is "horrendous" in the slightest. Thin, sure. Bad, not even close.
Assessing people's reasoning for townreads is actually quite effective at finding who has legit lines of thought and who doesn't, and you definitely know this.
If this is you trying to pressure me to get a read, that's not really how to sort me. If you're telling me you legit believe this is scummy behavior...wellYOUR AD HERE
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I don't know. That's what I'm trying to assess here from him. If he's reaction testing me, like just stop.In post 685, Firebringer wrote: VPB are u saying peta pan push is a null or townie or scummy.
What is ur stance on peta pushing u if one and why not if u don't have one
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I don't think I play the batman role much at all...In post 702, Aristeia wrote: @VPB I kind of think you're a lot closer to Joker than Batman atp but it's still early.YOUR AD HERE
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So my confidence is the problem here, not the reasoning?In post 695, petapan wrote:
"i'm not saying you too i'm just saing you're making the same argument"In post 684, VP Baltar wrote:I'm not saying "you too"
I'm saying you can't seriously expect someone to take you as credible when you're literally making essentially the same argument as a reason to call me bad.
You can call me "horrendous" for making thin pushes in early game ... but what do you expect cases to be at this point in a large game?
I don't think my reasoning of scum faking townreads for malarkey reasons WHICH HAPPENS IN LITERALLY EVERY GAME EVER is "horrendous" in the slightest. Thin, sure. Bad, not even close.
Assessing people's reasoning for townreads is actually quite effective at finding who has legit lines of thought and who doesn't, and you definitely know this.
If this is you trying to pressure me to get a read, that's not really how to sort me. If you're telling me you legit believe this is scummy behavior...well
like ???
by definition any early game push is thin but you didn't act like it was thin, you acted with a really disproportionate confidence. and the problem with this is i don't actually think you tried to assess asri's reasoning for their townreads, you just went "okay you can't answer me you're clearly fake die"
which, like, isn't how the game works and doesn't come across as actually attempting to assess asri's alignmnt
like i've been saying, surface level
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I will certainly admit to regularly expressing more confidence in things than i actually have as a way of reaction testing and seeing how people respond. I feel like you've played with me enough to know this, which is what makes me skeptical you aren't reaction testing me.
But at this point, you've doubled down enough to say you're serious, so I'm not entirely sure what to make of that. It seems disingenuous from you.
Let's look at this from a different angle, do you townread asri right now?YOUR AD HERE
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I've been out all day and need to do some catch up. Did you explain the Lycan or CSF scum leans yet? Csf seems especially spicy.In post 718, Klick wrote: TOWN
furtiveglance
Morning Tweet
Black
SirCakez
Alisae
LEANING TOWN
Firebringer
VP Baltar
Gimli
NULL
Mistyx
Asri Teroka
Aristeia
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LEANING SCUM
petapan
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Cat Scratch Fever
SCUMYOUR AD HERE
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Oh there's a hood? Interesting. Who all is in it?In post 724, Klick wrote:
He's my neighbour and I think he isn't as towny as the other neighbour partnerIn post 721, Firebringer wrote:i want to learn more about how lycan fire got on this lean scum list here
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*ducks*In post 733, petapan wrote:
when has datisi EVER trolled his players with a setupIn post 728, Firebringer wrote:ohh so the classic mod guessing of not all my neighbors can be town thing.
i wouldn't put it past datisi to make it all town.
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Klick is plus town for hood paranoia disclosure. Scum would be unlikely to do that this early in the game.YOUR AD HERE
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Can you elaborate what you mean here?In post 806, Alisae wrote: (Peta's) VP push doesn't seem like a push that comes from a wolf so far?
Something about the Lycan/Alisae interaction strikes me as very fake (even if the avi is hilarious).
Lycan, you said I shifted to Ari, but it was Asri...just to clarify. I suppose I may need to write out Ari's name fully if that's going to get confusing.YOUR AD HERE
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Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?In post 817, Asri Teroka wrote: This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!
This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!
This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.YOUR AD HERE
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I've had a pretty busy weekend, but hoping to get some time behind a computer today. I need to look at some meta to reassure myself if I'm going to go hard.In post 827, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
you've been the lone vote on Asri for a while now; why aren't you doing more to build the wagon?In post 825, VP Baltar wrote:
Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?In post 817, Asri Teroka wrote: This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!
This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!
This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.YOUR AD HERE
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Why are you being tentative?In post 830, Asri Teroka wrote: This one votes when it votes Baltar.
This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.YOUR AD HERE
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Yes, but I want to do some deeper reading.In post 831, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
They only have 24 posts, so that sounds a bit challenging. Did you have any thoughts on the major wagons right now aside from Lycan?In post 828, VP Baltar wrote: I've had a pretty busy weekend, but hoping to get some time behind a computer today. I need to look at some meta to reassure myself if I'm going to go hard.
Top level though is I think the Klick wagon was very meh.
Red I can understand.
Mine is clear trash.
Other takes:
I think alisae and ari are maybe kinda scummy, and I need to do reading there.
Pedit - @furtive, oh if that's the case. AlrightYOUR AD HERE
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I don't see why we wouldn't want to know the third member if two are already outted.YOUR AD HERE
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Nah. I can probably towncase Klick later if that's helpful for you, but like I said, I just think it's very unlikely they out the hood if scum. Willing to stand by that unless there is a compelling reason later not to.
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Why is lycan more likely scum than cakez?In post 869, Klick wrote:
I don't know how you made that read but yes it's Cakez!In post 863, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: SirCakez?YOUR AD HERE
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Fool you once...In post 923, Firebringer wrote: If this game turns out im defending scum Ari though.
I will never defend her again.YOUR AD HERE
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I already said I find your play kinda scummy this game. I like the cakez push a little better because it feels like you're doing something at least now.In post 932, Aristeia wrote:In post 930, VP Baltar wrote:
Fool you once...In post 923, Firebringer wrote: If this game turns out im defending scum Ari though.
I will never defend her again.
do you have a read on me yet vpb
You seemed pretty coasty for awhile, which was similar to the dance game.
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Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?In post 913, redFF wrote: i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shoutYOUR AD HERE
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Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asriIn post 963, petapan wrote:Spoiler:
i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum togetherYOUR AD HERE
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I mean maybe, but I guess I have been burned by that before. You will to clear the whole hood if we miss?In post 962, redFF wrote:
klick looks town and there's probably a mafia in the neighborhoodIn post 957, VP Baltar wrote:
Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?In post 913, redFF wrote: i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shoutYOUR AD HERE
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For those who need it spelled out, this is a botched chainsaw/distancing combo. Would lim peta if people preferIn post 1000, VP Baltar wrote:
Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asriIn post 963, petapan wrote:Spoiler:
i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum togetherYOUR AD HERE
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The fact that peta is using this as evidence when it was a punctuation error by asri shows he is not actually making arguments in good faith here.In post 830, Asri Teroka wrote: This one votes when it votes Baltar.YOUR AD HERE
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It also makes sense now why peta could not understand why his original argument against me was nonsenseYOUR AD HERE
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You said you were basically cool with cakez until this wagon became popular. He was one of the townreads you refused to explain.In post 1015, Asri Teroka wrote: This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.
What do you mean - and yes you actually have to explain your read here - that you didn't like the way cakez spoke?YOUR AD HERE
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My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.
If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.YOUR AD HERE
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Klick is there some asri thing I'm missing? I feel like I trust you most here, but that's a wild readYOUR AD HERE
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Literally why is anyone townreading Asri. IdgiYOUR AD HERE
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I don't think it's that unusual for Ari to tunnel as town if she feels strongly about a scum read. Part of what bugged me about her earlier was a lack of passion like this. I'd assess the case on merits rather than whether ari is tunneling or notIn post 1049, Black wrote: Regarding the Cakez wagon... I'm not a fan of how it snowballed. Mainly the votes from CSF and Asri. I'll have to look through at some point to see what else is noteworthy
I got a strong townread from Cakez earlier but it was mostly due to us mindmelding in #487. Some of my reads have changed since then so we may not be on the same page anymore. I didn't mind his vote for Ari because I agreed with him on her ISO. However, the fact that most of this playerlist seems to have a townread on Ari makes me very skeptical of my own read.
Ari has tunneled in on Cakez after he voted for her. She OMGUS voted Cakez and then 99% of her content since then has been about Cakez being scum. Can someone advise if this is normal behavior from Ari?YOUR AD HERE
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How so?In post 1062, petapan wrote: that is such a fucking scummy postYOUR AD HERE
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How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.
You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?YOUR AD HERE
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