Her moving me from towncore to likely wolf in the span of a couple minutes
I don't understand why this is shocking to you.
In post 1545, Aristeia wrote:
if it's wolf!ali repositioning herself to counter your push by shading/discrediting you as scum as you allege, wouldn't it be expected almost?
Whaaat? Are you saying you presume every single you suspect to be scum at all times? I think Black is equivocating "strange/shocking/unusual" behaviour with "scummy" or "suspicious", but here you're treating it like "unexpected". Correct me if I'm wrong but this feels like an entirely semantic objection
I read through the rest of the exchange and trying to read through Ari's posts feels like massively overthinking this
In post 1035, VP Baltar wrote:My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.
If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.
In post 1064, redFF wrote:
VOTE: sircakez
I buy ari's meta read and i was gonna vote last night but wanted to see what he came back to the thread with. He's reading like frustrated scum. And the jump on ari for "no content" was arbitrary, feels like he coulda picked a number of people to go at for no content.
I just don't read Cakez this way at all, kind of lost the thought syncing i was having going on
In post 1307, redFF wrote:
cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?
I dont like this either, feels like making a problem/suspicion out of nothing to me.
I scrolled through the whole way back and it seems like the only other person to vote red since the original gimli/furtive is Mistyx.. so not exactly a lot of pressure
I'm not sure what to make of Gimli vs Red still
I like Misty's recent posting scores more than her earlier posting, I think. That being said i dont see red/gimli as s/s, I think just 1 scum possibly
In post 1476, Gimli wrote:
why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me
okay you do you
but let me go back to this question: do you think your wagon has scum in it? if yes, who?
Gimli feels a bit extra betrayed here, it sort of feels like scum who knows the cakez wagon is off but then cakez goes at him anyway and it's like WHAT. I guess that was an obvious possible conclusion that's already been brought up though. The "I've been defending you." post doesn't exactly sit right
In post 1161, Gimli wrote:
SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF
I promise you there is scum in this wagon
how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?
big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on
do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like
Something about this "It's pointless to be examining me when there's 4 people voting for you" feels not true, like you're implying Cakez having a suspicion on you can't exist with cakez also suspecting ppl wagoning him. But can't he do both? It's not like suspecting you closes off the possibility of there being scum on the wagon.
Also, of course, ditto on the "It could be 6 townies yes" point as well
In post 1476, Gimli wrote:
why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocket
okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of it
I guess this is the heart of the issue. Are you really implying because 6 ppl are voting Cakez, then him expressing a suspicion on you is strange? It doesn't feeel that weird. But I'm willing to hear more about this
I think defending myself is pointless cause this is all dumb but I'll note one thing: the "I've been defending you" bit is to cakez saying what I'm posting is gonna get me scumread. Note that he was throwing shade at me already with the "this is scum who is afraid he'll be scumread for lack of posting" bit, I ask him who's scumreading me and he says that. So I point to cakez, like, what I've been doing since that post, and yes I do think it's absolutely nuts that he doesn't have the intuition to check on his wagon first before throwing random shit at me.
But I don't feel that interaction is "weird", I've come to terms that cakez might be scum, there's scum bussing him which is why I was alarmed by the wagon, which is also why my instinct was to defend him and townread him. It's dumb but it's how I was reading the game before.
I think it was CSF who showed cakez' poor progression on Ari, from scumreading to admitting poor understanding of her posts, to scumreading again. I felt his position wrt me was similarly unidimensional now, cause it went from throwing shade due to my self aware inactivity to throwing more shade and flat out call me open wolfing!! For thinking there's scum in his wagon and it being a weird wagon.
pedit: Mulling over Gimli's response still
I'm just not sure *why* Cakez should "have the intuition" to check his wagon rather than go for you. But ultimately not a super huge deal
In post 917, Firebringer wrote:
I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.
ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.
why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.
idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.
Why do you say that I'm not scumhunting when my thoughts are literally the same as yours are purported to be at that point in time and I am interacting in real time to push the same point that you make?
yeah yeah okay i fucked up
that is not a bad point, why would Cakez even suspect Ari still as of 1507?
At least though, he's not really doing anything proactively about it. Mistyx and Gimli were both votes and Cakez hasn't ever explained why he suspects Ari leading me to believe he doesnt have reasoning so maybe it's one of those gut reads that sits shelved for a while
Mmm I think ultimately Cakez isn't really suspecting Ari the same way he was, but that does involve speculation on my part to get there since he doesn't say himself. I can see why you would come to the conclusion that his progression is incoonsistent although it doesnt read that way to me.
This also comment also struck me as disingenuine, just now. Something about it
Ughhh I see the beats where Sircakez is over the top though, and rereading the interaction, it sort of makes sense from town!Gimli getting betrayed by town!Cakez too. Cakez indeed went *super hard*. It does sort of seem like bewilderment would make sense
Imma reflect on this. I still do not like Gimli presuming scum on Cakez wagon it feels a little manipulative (like in 1486 it feels like you're making this up to justify why it's ridiculous for Cakez to come at you while you're defending him)
In post 917, Firebringer wrote:
I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.
ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.
why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.
idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.
Why do you say that I'm not scumhunting when my thoughts are literally the same as yours are purported to be at that point in time and I am interacting in real time to push the same point that you make?
yeah yeah okay i fucked up
Not all of them but yes I concede that Ari did have some town posts that I neglected
In post 1564, petapan wrote:
meh i could be wrong about cakez i really don't like him coming back and calling people's lists trash with no elaboration after reading it back again
I feel like they were self explanatory
Like Ali's town core had like Red and Mistyx?? Like wtf?
Putting me as wolf just for those 2 as town is not a villager throught process.
You are looking for reasons to wolfread me where there are none.
Goodbye.
