Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

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VOTE: SirCakez

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Yo there cannot be this many scum in this game

This is a vibe

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I kind of think Gimli believes in what he's saying even if I'm not really feeling his furtive push

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Hey Gimli

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VOTE: VPB

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CSF is never town with me everyone.
Therefore she is scum.

Your welcome.

True, but I have hopes that maybe this game will be the game

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Do you have a read on Gimli, furtive?

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Not feeling the VPB wagon, Taly?

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tbh idk

i skimmed their iso and hardly processed anything

MT just failed the opener vibe check hard so I like that

MTs posts about Fire makes me think they've never ever met Fire and I'm certain that isn't true

By "opener vibe check", do you mean this post ^?

First part of 187 does suggest she is familiar with Fire's meta of claiming scum in every game

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Every game is a potential one of those for Fire he holds the site record (its roughly equal to the # of his scumgames). the "I spammed the scum chat to death" line took it over the edge for me, although yes it does sound a bit silly when i phrase it like that. WhY sO sErious

but she seems to find 92 more suspicious than the act of claiming scum so idk

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^ That doesn't really answer the `why`

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316 feels like a town reads list

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you can stand by it and also explain why

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i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly

i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.

id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.

This also feels incredibly lazy to me

Why are those reads lazy?

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Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

I’m orange, why’s that?

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why is vp baltar in the top tier, furtive?

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I’ve been town in every datisi game

You have to have faith in datisi’s superior rng

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Spoiler: VP pushing Asri

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive

They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!

The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.

Why do you townread them?

This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!
Klick and Red do seem good for now?


This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.

This sums it up.

Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."

I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.

It feels like if those two are town, it's a very safe position for scum to take, especially with fireb

This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

This one can leave this mortal coil!

Scum would feel exposed pushing town!Asri like this

why not? The meat of the push was based on asri hard townreading some people, which they didn’t do. 99 was clearly written in gimmick language

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Yeah I did, sorry hungover

Interesting theory, not sure I buy it though

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Isn’t being town in cosmos mafia punishment enough

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while playing the game, i actually had a bad dream where I was holding the hammer in 3p Elo and had to pick between tbone and the junkochan slot

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Agreed, Morning Tweet is probably town

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need your thought processes behind how u reached these conclusions. It’d be helpful if you could paint the picture so it’s super clear for me

this post feels alisae attempting to look town by not providing their own content, but instead pushing furtive to deliver content, in a way that feels perfomative

This is a weird read. Do you expect Alisae to be providing content in that post in particular? They're asking furtive for reads to better understand him (396).

And it'd only be performative if Alisae hasn't been explaining their reads, but I feel like they have been

Alisae explain thought process behind thought process being helpful?^

Transparency is helpful when it comes to reading people are at least trying to see eye to eye with them. I don't really see any reason why you can't push yourself to try to elaborate on why you have the reads that you do in thread. I've been trying to push myself to do that at least. Even if it's like obv you should still try to elaborate on why you see that in that light and maybe try pointing to posts that make you feel that way. As a wolf something I like to do a lot is not explain obv reads, as a wolf it's really easy to put the obv read (especially obvtownies) in the obv spot w/o much reasoning behind it.

Best way to show towniness is to post literally every single thought you have into the gamethread even if it's a bad one.

again, giving advice, pushing for more information, and attempting to look like they want everyone to post in a pro-town way, it just feels overly performative to me

They were asked to explain their thought process. It doesn't really feel like you're considering motive here

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What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

I'd probably feel really bad for petapan lol

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i said my piece, i like my vote

VOTE: redFF

I like my vote too

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Ouch!

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hello do you have any spicy takes?

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Yeah, I feel like redFF is a shit wagon because they lack any sense of regard for the playerlist. I can count 8 instances where they are actively pissing someone off.

I'm happy to change course on this because I don't love it, but Taly has been vote parking all day after inserting themselves into Firebringer/MT. I'd say there were three instances where we broke out of RVS, and Taly was at the tail end of it and has stayed there. VOTE: Taly

Taly said he was blocking the site until Monday. does that change your read?

As for RedFF, I don't really see that. Maybe with Alisae and Gimli if I'm generous

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I'm a bit blown by your assertion that Taly never left RVS tbh

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Tempting

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This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

you've been the lone vote on Asri for a while now; why aren't you doing more to build the wagon?

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I've had a pretty busy weekend, but hoping to get some time behind a computer today. I need to look at some meta to reassure myself if I'm going to go hard.

They only have 24 posts, so that sounds a bit challenging. Did you have any thoughts on the major wagons right now aside from Lycan?

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As stupid as it sounds, I'm kinda townleaning VPB for his tone. He sounds different as scum [1][2]. Reads in 835 seem decent too

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Well don't leave us in suspense, Klick

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VOTE: Lycanfire

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I think Klick is town. Why is odd for him to townread you?

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SirCakez?

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SirCakez?

I don't know how you made that read but yes it's Cakez!

if only scumhunting were this easy

I looked at people in the town part of your readslist and guessed who would make only one post in a hood lol

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I think Ari is town, even if she did confuse me with the other cat

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I'm certainly biased, but I think 948 is a pretty good post

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Hey, I think Klick is town

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okay

do you want to elaborate or do you have any questions for me

His reads have been developing naturally. If you want something in particular, I think his read and treatment of me comes from town. I also just played with scum!Klick, and this doesn't feel like it.

people were pushing lycan who had 4 posts and ignoring me who had probably less meaningful stuff to say by that point

so therefore i think lycan scum is relatively less likely

I don't think reads like this are going to be very accurate. For one, I thought your entrance felt a bit carefree whereas I remember you have a pretty stilted scumgame. I didn't get any towny feelings from Lycan's early posts.

Is this basically why you think scum are pushing Lycanfire/Cakez?

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I think SirCakes is so far in his scum meta that he should be a slam dunk lim candidate today. I recognize I can be somewhat biased in this regard so I would appreciate if someone can reality check me and take a look at some of the meta-checks I've been reviewing to see if I'm simply confbiased on his slot.

These are the six games I skimmed - some of them I am already familiar with but I opened them up again to refresh my memory about what his scum game looks like:

Town Games:
Open 870
Open 866
Micro 1062
Mini 2260

Mafia Games:
Dance Party
Eurybia’s Curse


If you open up these isos, I suggest you have town on one side and mafia on the other side so you can see there are some marked differences between how he plays as town and how he plays as mafia.

When he is mafia he tends to use declarative statements far more and paint in broad sweeps - the reads come much faster because he's just making shit up. When he's town he goes read by read and you can actually see how he develops them one at a time from moments in time. Also excessive confidence is something that is present in his scum games but not in his town games - his town thought process involves nuance and he's not nearly as certain of things that he is saying.

It's not lock, but excessive confidence does seem to be scum indicative for him. I think his read on BBT in this towngame is the only thing I see that also hits similar overconfident notes. On a superficial level, it'd make more sense for him to be more cautious after misreading you in White Flag instead of growing more confident like he is here, but come to think of it, I don't know if Cakez is actually aware of the results of White Flag

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VOTE: cakez

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also the Lycan wagon -

I can't even remember a post Lycan has made so it feels pretty whatever to me

i don't really want to lim in the hood today though

That's generally a pretty good sign someone is scum

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Yeah, I'm not sure what do to.

I was advised to share my thought processes and also to not have long posts.

That...might be difficult for me lol. But I will try to condense

Where?

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But you think Cakez is a better vote option than Lycan?

Why did you jump on the Cakez wagon?

People on the Lycan wagon were moving to Cakez. I wrote 1084 to see what Cakez would say, but I guess he's gone again. I don't think either of the reasons Cakez provided - "not wanting to lim in the hood" as the other reason - for avoiding the Lycan wagon are compelling

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Is this basically why you think scum are pushing Lycanfire/Cakez?

i just think theyre the easiest people to push rn

though ig that makes ari probably town if thats true

mm

Can you give independent reads on these players?

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So your strategy is essentially follow the wagon?

I'll have to check your ISO but I recall you jumping on a few other wagons too. Can you explain why you consider this town behavior from yourself?

Um no. I think both Lycan and Cakez have been scummy, but I wouldn't just jump on any random wagon.
I'm not interested in trying to be another chef in the kitchen day 1 in a large.

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VOTE: lycanfire

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also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

Yes I agree. Where is this strong town game of his? Do you see any of it

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also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

Yes I agree. Where is this strong town game of his? Do you see any of it

I think this is a bad argument, sometimes players take time to get going

it's also not the only argument against him

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Can you give independent reads on these players [Lycanfire/SirCakez]?

will you be upset if the answer is "no"

Not upset lol, but I was a bit wary that you've been pretty good about giving independent reads on most players, but not when it comes to the two players that I happen to scumread

But I see you gave one on Cakez right after this lol

Can I bother you for a read on Lycan

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Aristeia is probably almost definitely right. Which actually makes her scummy but don't tell her.

This is the third time you've talked past Ari rather than at her.

It's hard to take this post as serious when you've been hard defending her all game. What was the point of this post?

Anyone have thoughts on firebringer/ari towncase 917?

I think the point of this post was in the text that you omitted from the quote >_>

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The point was saying furtive town.

I added the part about ari scummy as a joke.

skitter tell

this game just isn't fun idunno how to verbalize it other than that

This is a mood

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Penny for your thoughts on Lycan, Ari

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I remembered him being somewhat unimpressive when he repped in during WF and nothing he's done has really stuck in my head.

He was in WF for all of 12 hours before it ended, ended up voting scum & made a point to interact with multiple people

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big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like

maybe he's not town lol

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i still think Ari is scummy and there's prolly a scum or two inside (CSF, Asri, Red)

Why do you still think Ari is scum? you seem to have conceded that your points for scumreading her were not good

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I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.

idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.

i guess okay

ugh Fire and Ari are actually making good points

im moving my vote this post pinged me a bit ago

Sorry I zoned out of this game and there's a lot of pages to read now, I'll pretty much do it later

this feels like scum worried about being pushed for not posting

VOTE: gimli

tweet's opening felt super forced and ungenuine

110 and especially 187

if you think 110 was forced and ungeniune - how do you miss that I immediately push her on 110 in

the very next post

111.

Why do you say that I'm not scumhunting when my thoughts are literally the same as yours are purported to be at that point in time and I am interacting in real time to push the same point that you make?

yeah yeah okay i fucked up

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Asri's 1576 is hilariously hypocritical, but I don't know if it's coming from scum.

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Not all of them but yes I concede that Ari did have some town posts that I neglected

what points did fire make that were good and which reasons for scumreading Ari are you sticking by?

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ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

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ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

totally unrelated post but i want this to get in your mentions - what do your reads look like currently?

Town

Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick, Morning Tweet
Firebringer, petapan, Alisae, Mistyx, redFF, Asri Teroka, Gimli
VP Baltar, Taly*, Black
SirCakez, ActionDan

Scum

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why low on black? why high on morning tweet? (i don't have issues with her but i don't have her as strong town so curious on the perspective)

Black is someone I have a lot of mixed feelings about. I think if I look at their ISO, they're kinda surface-level towny in how much they're engaging and close reading. But then they kind of tunnel on their reads in spite of expressing uncertainty in their ability to read people - as in, I don't think their reads have changed all that much in a while (I think they're still scumreading furtive/ari/fire? they've recently added alisae). I didn't really see them engaging with Morning Tweet's response to their case on furtive, which I thought raised several good points, or with Ari's points on Cakez, which I also thought were good.

And in general, I feel like their reads are very different from mine, and I struggle to read those people. tbh I've kind of just punted them for now.

Morning Tweet seems to really enjoy sinking her teeth into the nitty gritty of the game when she's town. Her posts are genuinely trying to understand people's perspectives... and I kind of remember her as a flop as scum (sorry).

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That's probably fair

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Morning tweet for president

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Excuse u.
I am the king and there will be no presidents while i breathe.

did you miss the part where you were deposed? Sorry to be the one to break the news

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on a gameplay level i want to save CSF but on a personal enjoyment level i want to save redff because i find his posts entertaining and don't wanna kill someone day 1 on their first game back

so i'll say remove redff

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Firebringer what's the point of this exercise? There's already a building wagon on ActionDan

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Oh I haven't read. Someone strike out Mistyx plz

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Hi fire!

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Klick picked someone and it wasn't me? Yeah okay that one actually does hurt

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Everyone just casually out here gambling with my life smh

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Sorry Asri, I'm lost in your riddles. Are you talking about VPB?

I have a strong townread on him mainly due to his tone.

And this post just screams town to me, idk. He has made some weird actions since then, like voting for Cakez who I still lean town on, and suggesting we "get rid of the problem early" when referring to you. I lean town on you even though you're one of the more frustrating players I've played with, and I don't think getting rid of you early benefits the town at all. VPB's willingness to vote you out even in a situation where you're probably town doesn't sit right with me

Can you expand on this?

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I also don't really like the general arc of the argument. We started talking about how you strong town read and then go down a rabbit hole of what is almost a semi-case.

It reads like trying to play both sides a bit.

I can see that. I'm mostly just weirded out by how VPB was Black's biggest townread based on tone and 1350

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CSF your scumdar (scum radar) has been known to work sometimes

Point it at Black

It's at the shop sorry

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her interactions with me feel lackluster and semi-avoidance. Its not like im inviting her to talk to me but at same time i think townCSF would be more interested in pursuing insight into my scumlean on her and i have said i don't like her posts for awhile. Her ignoring that i don't think she does as town. Maybe she is doing that because she townreads me.

I thought your early scumlean on me made sense. People are used to me vomiting town in every other post, and I can understand why people are a bit suspicious when I'm not doing that this game. It's not like I've become more active as this game has progressed, so I don't really expect you to see me as town yet. I think where you've had me (scumlean with some uncertainty) feels fine.

In contrast, your push on me in Cosmos Mafia pinged me super hard.

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I also don't like her reactions to this exercise of singling out a consensus wagon.

I just really think Lycanfire was scum, and I'd really like to see that go through today.

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Can you explain that read?

A lot of it was based on my recent experience playing with Town Lycanfire, and he felt insipid here in comparison.

This was one interaction that pinged me:

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Yeah, I feel like redFF is a shit wagon because they lack any sense of regard for the playerlist. I can count 8 instances where they are actively pissing someone off.

I'm happy to change course on this because I don't love it, but Taly has been vote parking all day after inserting themselves into Firebringer/MT. I'd say there were three instances where we broke out of RVS, and Taly was at the tail end of it and has stayed there. VOTE: Taly

Yeah, I feel like redFF is a shit wagon because they lack any sense of regard for the playerlist. I can count 8 instances where they are actively pissing someone off.

I'm happy to change course on this because I don't love it, but Taly has been vote parking all day after inserting themselves into Firebringer/MT. I'd say there were three instances where we broke out of RVS, and Taly was at the tail end of it and has stayed there. VOTE: Taly

Taly said he was blocking the site until Monday. does that change your read?

As for RedFF, I don't really see that. Maybe with Alisae and Gimli if I'm generous

Taly said he was blocking the site until Monday. does that change your read?

No it doesn't change my read. The only thing that would have me revise it is more content or having someone read them better.

I'm a bit blown by your assertion that Taly never left RVS tbh

I feel like the Taly push wasn't grounded in reality; Taly had clearly exited RVS. Besides, Taly was v/la at the time Lycanfire voted him, so the "vote parking" comment was wild.

Aristeia is probably almost definitely right. Which actually makes her scummy but don't tell her.

This is the third time you've talked past Ari rather than at her.

It's hard to take this post as serious when you've been hard defending her all game. What was the point of this post?

Anyone have thoughts on firebringer/ari towncase 917?

I think the point of this post was in the text that you omitted from the quote >_>

This was also gross

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I don't want to do flip dan

Why?

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I was just going to say 1917 feels odd in who misty's choosing to focus on

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Focus was probably the wrong word. I'm just a bit surprised to see who's in your top townreads

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do u not think i want the day to end too?
ur not helping us end the day any sooner by "being on strike"

i'll move my vote around wherever you want me to but i think i have little to add to a game that is bloated whose discussions are mostly circular

Dan

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One ISO that is suddenly bothering me is CSF's. I want someone who is more familiar with the playstyle to look over it at some point. There's a lot of questions and pushing conversations forward but not many follow ups. It makes me feel like they are just popping in to ask questions, stir the pot a bit, and then leave

The persistence on ActionDan is concerning. She initially had a strong scumread on Lycan due to... *checks notes* ...one other game and their vote on Taly. What's interesting here is that CSF also considers Taly scummy. Why is Lycan parking his vote on a player you find scummy all that bad, especially early in D1? It just seems too convenient to stick on this mobile wagon for those reads

A lot of the ISO is just jumping to whatever bandwagon has the most momentum and this ALWAYS sets off red flags for me regardless of the meta

I'm just not getting town vibes from this ISO at all and I hope someone else with better insight on CSF as a player can look into it

The jury is still out on Alisae but I feel comfortable moving my vote for now

VOTE: CSF

2 games actually, one of which i metadived him in because his past games were linked and discussed in the game

And then the next part is I'm scummy for band wagoning too much after saying I've been too persistent on Dan

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Not liking the bandwagon at all or FB's refusal to provide an actual read on CSF

He thinks I'm scum

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I believe he's scum rolestopper

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I think he's telling the truth about the 3-shot aspect of his role

And yeah if Dan flips red go ahead and make me next. I have been linking us together and defending him hard

I think you're probably town if he flips scum actually. I feel like scum will have seen the writing on the wall when their buddy is likely to go down.

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I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

How would this prove your alignment?

For reference, this game had a T/S neighborhood share a vig (see Cakez's and Pooky's roles)

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i think the game is probably not over unless scum got an absurdly unlucky rand and all landed as low influence players so its kinda hard for me to believe ali genuinely thinks the game is solved and easy

Who do you think is deepwolfing? I noticed the two lower tiers in your readslist were players I'd call "low influence" + Black, and even Black hasn't been able to influence the game much so far.

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I weirdly enough I don't think I have a problem with this? I think I can see a villager posting this.

This was about 977

I thought the reasoning seemed flimsy for a defense of a scummy slot. It was based on a bunch of assumptions that weren't true... one implication is that town should be reading her and Lycan exactly the same way, which just isn't true even if both were lowposting.

And it's also like, who were the slots pushing Lycan and are any of them scum? It feels like an underdeveloped thought.

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if i had to pick one name in the higher tiers that i think could be scum who is slipping their way into a lot of people's townblocks it would be MT. but i also don't really mind leaving her alone for now bc i think she shows herself and does good solving as town. similar maybe goes for klick

Can you explain why you're townreading Shea? I was rereading the game last night, and felt like VPB's interactions around the Lycan wagon weren't great.

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cat scratch is this really gonna be our first game as same alignment

Yeah, I think so!

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if i had to pick one name in the higher tiers that i think could be scum who is slipping their way into a lot of people's townblocks it would be MT. but i also don't really mind leaving her alone for now bc i think she shows herself and does good solving as town. similar maybe goes for klick

Can you explain why you're townreading Shea? I was rereading the game last night, and

felt like VPB's interactions around the Lycan wagon weren't great.

I can elaborate more on the bolded, since I was typing this up anyway-

(Peta's) VP push doesn't seem like a push that comes from a wolf so far?

Can you elaborate what you mean here?

Something about the Lycan/Alisae interaction strikes me as very fake (even if the avi is hilarious).

Lycan, you said I shifted to Ari, but it was Asri...just to clarify. I suppose I may need to write out Ari's name fully if that's going to get confusing.

He says Lycan/Alisae interaction seems fake, but if you look in his ISO, he never further develops this read nor does he seem particularly interested in pursuing this line of thought at all. This is in spite of the fact that Lycan wagon was a thing for most of the day.

SirCakez?

I don't know how you made that read but yes it's Cakez!

Why is lycan more likely scum than cakez?

I don't know why he would ask this, given he just said Lycan had a weird interaction with Alisae. Note that this question was asked before Ari started hardpushing and metacasing Cakez. At this point, I don't think VPB had a reason to think Cakez was scummy, or at least, that thought wasn't present in the thread yet. So the answer to "why is lycan more scummy than cakez" should be somewhat evident to vpb, no?

Spoiler: some more dead end questions

i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shout

Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?

Firebringer, why Lycan over cakez?

Shea's reasoning for ultimately voting the Dan wagon was pretty good, but the bulk of Shea's catch up was dropped after the Dan wagon had already built to E-2 (2559). So it's hard for me to tell if that was a genuine thought or scum understanding the inevitable trajectory of the wagon and gearing up to bus.

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Town

Firebringer, petapan, Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick, Morning Tweet
Black, redFF, Alisae
SirCakez?, fireisredsir?
Mistyx, Gimli, Asri, Thestatusquo

Scum

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I see redFF in a lot of people's PoEs, but I thought he looked a bit townier with the ActionDan flip. I got the impression that ActionDan was angling to vote RedFF here:

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Both 1861 and 1869 from Red I find distasteful after having their name crossed off.

+ a lot of defending/pocketing Alisae after e moved their vote off of him and onto redFF in [2442] (the defending bit starts around 2457). That feels like Scum!Dan building up a townie who was pushing in the wrong direction.

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oh i guess part of it was i just really bought the reaction to the claim

it doesn't feel like he would choose to fake the reaction in that specific way if scum together

ill admit that's def a like, guessing what he'd do thing though

You mean like he wouldn't sow doubt on his partner's claim?

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I kinda want to run a lawnmower through all the universal scum reads and maybeeee like one scum would be left lol

Who are these universal scum reads?

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I believe he's scum rolestopper

IDK what to make of CSF other than, if *I don't believe any part of your claim* is an uncharitable possibly SvS reaction, then *I believe he is scum rolestopper* might be a TMI one.

What's tmi about it? He didn't even flip rolestopper, not exactly anyway

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I know Asri's main and it feels like town on an emotional level

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I'm assuming they want to remain a secret? I wouldn't be townreading flea here fwiw

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Just casually but madly refreshing the game when i have boatloads of work to do

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Black, your trajectory on alisae is entirely believable because it's the same as mine.

Firebringer also transparently thought along the same lines if you read between the lines in his posts today, which is another reason why I feel like he has been approaching this game from a town perspective.

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I had Ali as top town at the beginning of today and bumped them down to a town lean by the time I caught up last night

I thought you did the same firebringer, but maybe I'm the one who can't read

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nope alisae is still very very town.
what is moving them down for u

how they reacted to furtive/peta claims, they're pushing a bunch of people that I'm starting to think are town, defense of misty

I can go into more detail later when I'm not about to step into a meeting, but ftr I don't want to lim them today. I only brought it up because I thought you felt similarly

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I don't trust Alisae tbh

i trust alisae as much as you right now, does that mean anything

This is when I thought you started suspecting Alisae @Firebringer

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I understand CSF's confusion now. "I trust Ali as much as you rn" was referring to FB townreading them both, not FB saying "I trust Ali as much as you trust her"

oh yes that makes sense too

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What a comeback, well played Gimli!

gg all & excellent modding as always datisi