Gnosia Game over!

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UNVOTE:

Obligatory.

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UNVOTE:

Obligatory.

Is there something that made you do this?

Yep.

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Herta replaces Scoliosis
Jada replaces Junkochan

UNVOTE:

Obligatory.

UNVOTE:

Obligatory.

What does obligatory mean?

UNVOTE:

Obligatory.

Is there something that made you do this?

I mean I don't understand the confusion.

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not to mention that they won't get a confirmation on death due to flipless setup

What information do you think the coroner should reveal then?

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not to mention that they won't get a confirmation on death due to flipless setup

What information do you think the coroner should reveal then?

That they are town. By claim.

So the coroner has no use to you this game other than to claim. Or are you referring to Day 1 because I wasn't.

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73966&start=1175&hilit=Flipless << Flipless I missed
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=71712&hilit=Flipless << Game where I go into detail about how to play flipless and catch most of the scum

Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make things scummy or wrong.

Subject: Micro 708: H4rdcore Mafia (Game Over)

If the game continues on as I suspect it will we will have objective proof two of the three of NM,Duppin, and person lynched today hopefully LQ or Infinity would be Town. Possibly three.

However with conf Town in Alisae and myself (I know you all won't say conf because you haven't played flipless enough blah blah) very likely town Alisae and myself then we just form a town block and own this.

I hate Town blocks in flipful. In flipless they are awesome.

Yeah, you are going to have to explain how Alisae and yourself are cleared.

Along with this, please detail the games you have played that were flipless. I have played one fully flipless game and one or two games that were partial flips.

They were mainly f2f games (and thus can't link sorry). In those games you specifically had to notice reasoning and if someone was applying a certain type of thinking to their words and votes. The only flipless game I have here is inception Mafia. While it was sort of flipless and not 100% flipless managed to stall until close to end game when the setup was broken.

The main examples on MafiaScum are complete mafia sweeps. Because people have an "expectation" there is one way to hunt.

Most of those games were vanilla but a few had PR roles and in those cases you actually mass claim right away which will never make sense to MS players.

Alisae and I are cleared because two wagons are on L-1.

There are only two scum.
Therefore we cannot be scum with both ZZX and LaLight. Fact.
If scum we would be convinced or interacting with those wagons to start to be convinced rather than our own in order to move to LyLO without a scum flip unless in Duppin/Not Mafia.

However for reasons explained those two are likely Town. Therefore we are Town.

In that first game you say that in flipless ifyou have PRs you mass claim off the bat. Why should this game be different?

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And N_M's entrance that game lol

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Not so understandably

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A couple reasons I will get into in approximately 24 hours (I will get to it today I promise).

Do we have time for that?

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Not so understandably

So you agree I am being sus then?

With 927 yes

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You have no reason to town read me.

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I assume that's specific to Marashu.

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Someone called for a legend?

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Mod I'm not voting as of my entrance.

Fixed~

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Got it. Taking it at your word game got easier then. Small chance scum has that ability I guess but unlikely.

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I think it's best that I claim now. I'm coroner.

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I CC.

I am real Coroner.

You're my pet coroner enchant.

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VOTE: Jessica Rabbit

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Green yes

Yellow no

Brown IDK

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Jessica was gnosia.

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Great we lost our cop.

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We still don't know what ability Jessica tried to use EOD.

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Even though they don't count it would be useful to use vote tags so we can kinda keep track. Following mountains of words with no markers is difficult.

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i kinda think mathblade possibly bug just from thinking about likely nightkill targets if the gnosia did target the bug but could have been a save so shrug

I agree with this as a definite plausibility, but:
-Even if true we should still focus on Gnosia today and MathBlade's certainly not Gnosia
-I still need to do my review.

Mental notes:
I maintain {shiki, Roden} town regardless; {Drapion, MathBlade} not Gnosia and not likely Traitor.
Beyond that, I'll need time to consider.

{Not Known 15, Herta}
{Enchant}
--
{Roden, Shiki}
{ProfessorDrapion, MathBlade}
(^semi-sorted)
(vcurrently unsorted)
{Jada}
{Freedom}
{beeboy, narrow parking, FakeGod, Elmo teH AzN}

I'd move shiki down a bit and fakegod up and Elmo up.

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Does anyone here remember me?

I recognize a few people but don't really remember much of them lol

did u read up over n1 and if so what's ur poe rn

I don't like this posting just to post.

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tbh i just saw vote jada and said agree LOL

I shouldn't have subbed in but host begged me

So I won't be back reading probably

Does anyone here remember me?

I recognize a few people but don't really remember much of them lol

did u read up over n1 and if so what's ur poe rn

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Why is shiki town, Ranger?

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Does anyone here remember me?

I recognize a few people but don't really remember much of them lol

did u read up over n1 and if so what's ur poe rn

I don't like this posting just to post.

u r a non-player aside from ur pr i really don't see how ur talking

Burn.

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I think I am too but I'd like to see LLD's thoughts once they are able.

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I'll get into this tomorrow or Wednesday. Good cheer!

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vla through 12/31

I haven't counted but I think we have the votes to eliminate Jada.

This is a prodge.

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Jada was human

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I can compromise on narrow but I don’t understand how others aren’t calling for Gimili’s head since we need to have at most two wagons.

Your argument for gimli is they Sussed you right? That's just not all that compelling. If it was more objective sure.

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VOTE: narrow parking

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If you want competing wagons,

I like the idea of killing beeboy, since it's potatoing much harder than I am as a replacement.

How about narrow?

I'd prefer dueling {narrow parking, beeboy} wagons.

I agree with these wagons.

Show which you're going to vote.

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Show your votes people. Lie at your peril.

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So there's 4 votes for narrow parking I think.

We've got 12 alive.

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Responding to prod. Happy to move on.

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Responding to prod. Happy to move on.

I’d actually like your thoughts on eliminating me please

For today that's a hard no.

We can talk about it tomorrow, but we've got our candidates for today.

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my ability sucks - it can only catch traitor

I leaned town on shiki slot long before LLD got here

I'm sorta pondering if scum ranger would hard defend jessica, but I think we just execute narrow parking today

I think we need to execute me before Herta dies to eliminate me!Bug worlds.

I 100% do not trust LLD here.

I'm not dying until after the GA dies right?

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I won't die until the night after the ga dies, so I don't know that there's a hurry.

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And that's going to narrow the poe anyway so it seems better to wait. If we flip scum today then we can talk more about it tomorrow, but I don't think we need to bug hunt just yet.

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A day left and there are 4 votes for narrow parking: mathblade, freedom, ranger, herta, I need three more votes.

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A day left and there are 5 votes for narrow parking: mathblade, freedom, ranger, herta, gimli. I need two more votes.

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there are 6 votes for narrow parking: mathblade, freedom, ranger, herta, gimli. I need one more vote.

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there are 6 votes for narrow parking: mathblade, freedom, ranger, herta, gimli. I need one more vote.

And Enchant

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Thanks.

Seven voting for narrow parking: ranger, freedom, mathblade, enchant, fake god, herta, gimli.

I'm considering those on wagon and everyone else off wagon even if they vote for narrow parking.

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Narrow Parking was Gnosia.

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So well done, Townsfolk. I think it would be useful to review Ranger's thoughts. I think she had somewhat of a plan on how to approach this Day when we have two Gnosia in the bag. I look forward to hearing everyone's outlook on proceeding.

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hi everyone

i'm having trouble getting through 90 pages but i'm gonna do my best. i do a little better when im in the game and can interact with the slots. if someone wants to catch me up that would be great.

i'm familiar with gnosia but it's been a while. it was a pretty sweet game though

If you haven't you should probably read the setup:

Spoiler:

Subject: Gnosia | Signups (15/15) Full! Taking Subs

GNOSIA

You and your crew of fourteen other passengers have just barely been able to escape the deadly planet Liu-An, finding safety on a nearby spaceship, it's a miracle no one was badly injured.

Or so you thought.

As you all go to sleep your ship's AI LeVi has informed you that some of the crew have been infected with a deadly virus known as

Gnosia

.

Now, it is your job to figure out who to put into cold sleep, or are you going to show them the light of

Gnos

?

Game Information.

This is a

semi-open 15 player

setup where the roles are public information:

1. 5
   Crew
   (VT)
   1
   Engineer
   (Cop)
   1
   Guardian Angel
   (Doctor)
   1
   Doctor
   (Coroner)
   2
   Guard Duty
   (Masons)
   3
   Gnosia
   (Mafia)
   1
   AC Follower
   (Uninformed Traitor)
   1
   Bug
   (Independant role that wins if another wincon is reached)

Mech Information.

1. Execute's (or cold sleep as we will call it this game) will not reveal the alignment of the flipped player.
   There will be an
   8 day
   discussion phase followed by a
   2 day
   voting phase where the thread will be locked and you PM who you would like to freeze.
   The Guardian Angel is not allowed to claim.
   Only the people on Guard Duty can claim Guard Duty.
   The Bug cannot be killed by Gnosia, however they will die if investigated by the Engineer.

The Crew.

Along with a basic role card you'll be given a Crew member from the game Gnosia, the character you get is NAI but each Crew member comes with one skill unique to them. If you wish for a certain Crew member feel free to PM me your top three, if you do not care feel free to ignore!

Characters

:

Spoiler: Setsu

Spoiler: Otome

Spoiler: Jonas

Spoiler: Yuriko

Spoiler: Comet

Spoiler: Stella

Spoiler: Raqio

Spoiler: SQ

Spoiler: Remnan

Spoiler: Gina

Spoiler: Chipe

Spoiler: Sha-Ming

Spoiler: Kukrushka

Spoiler: Shigemichi

Playerlist:

1. Scoliosis
2. Marashu
3. Roden
4. Jessica Rabbit
5. Elmo TeH AzN
6. Klick
7. Ranger
8. Yume
9. FakeGod
10. JunkoChan
11. Enchant
12. Autere
13. shiki
14.
15.

Today we'll probably be addressing the bug since we now have 2 of 3 Gnosia eliminated, but I want to hear thoughts on that. There may be a traitor. Or have been a traitor. There's no way for us to know. There was suspicion that Jada, the Day 2 elimination, was the traitor. Our Engineer (Cop) was killed early. I"m the only outed PR.

Your slot was townread early, but I've wavered on that. It's largely been inactive for a long time now.

I think we really need to hear from gerry.

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Oh so we are in "you killed almost whole scumteam but fuck you because bug alive"?

Literally have no idea how to search for bug.

What are your thougths on Math's gambit yesterday? Do you think there's but equity with him?

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I'm so lost in this game.

Read the first couple of pages and the setup post I just posted. You are in the poe for gnosia.

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like who's dead and what were they is it possible to get that?

is it possible the bug's dead already or do we know they're still out there?

Jessica Rabbit -- Gnosia
Jada -- Human
Not Known 15 -- Human (Engineer/Cop)
narrow parking -- Gnosia
Ranger -- Human

I learn the alignments of the dead. The bug is 3p and hasn't been chopped yet.

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No the bug is 3p. I learn the alignment of the dead. If but was chopped they would show as 3p.

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With people questioning it, no, I'm not. I'll ask mod.

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Going to have a bowl of chili now.

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Okay I was wrong. The bug shows up as human. So they may already be gone. Just with numbers I doubt it, but I guess we could've gotten one of the bug or traitor.

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Spoiler:

The chili was fkn great. Packed in some cumin and cayenne. Good stuff.

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Name. Role/Alignment. Flavor Name. Special.

1. Herta. Coroner. Unknown. Unknown.

2. Gimli. Unknown. Unknown. Inherits Dead Player Ability.
3. Roden. Unknown. Unknown. "Let's Collaborate", Creates hood.

4. Jessica Rabbit. Gnosia. "Block Argument", Vote Redirection.

5. Esooa. Unknown. Raqio. If someone susses them, can place additional vote.
6. Mathblade. Unknown. Gina. If someone susses them, learns special ability of said player.
7. Ranger. Unknown. Setsu. "Vote!" Forces normal elimination phase.
8. Freedom. Unknown. Sha-Ming. Grovel. Can try to save self if voted out.
9. FakeGod. Unknown. Unknown. "What is your Role?".
10. Jada. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
11. Enchant. Town. Kukrushka. "Regret"
12. beeboy. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.
13. Lady Lambdadelta. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

14. Not Known 15. Engineer. Unknown. "State you are Human".

15. narrow parking. Unknown. Unknown. Obfuscate.


Missing Herta, Jada (but we never know prob), beeboy, LLD

Enchant did good work with this. Gimli is up to fill in the holes.

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What is your role gimli?

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Actually I don't know that I like role claiming here. What is the benefit to that?

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Nevermind. Go ahead and role claim in addition to your character name.

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If you can't role claim just say you can't.

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Esooa then Mathblade.

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Still waiting on Esooa.

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Math then FakeGod.

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Enchant claimed already I think. So gerryoat then me.

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My assumption is that they do. The setup identifies them as masons and has no qualifiers. I don't recall seeing anything contrary. But it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong about this game.

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Just alignment.

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Bug shows as Human. That's it.

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Then... Okay. Until we see another Gnosia flip, we need doctor on Herta.

We need to know if and when we flip from 2Gn to 1.

My role is done really.

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I suspect esooa is gnosia.

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elmo the azn was the counterwagon to jessica rabbit, it is who gnosia were pushing. i think i'd rather freeze esooa for that reason because i think they could be bug and i don't think they are gnosia.

The point about being the gnosia push is good but I'm not sure why that leads to bug.

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Ranger has died in the night!

You have (expired on 2023-01-29 18:51:15) to discuss. If you wish to end the discussion phase early feel free to use heal tags.

Yeah we should just freeze Math. I think we have 3 shots at this.

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Darn reading the early game is torture because of all the reps.

Anyway Klick (Mathblade) really comes off as town and isn't exactly hiding so hmm.

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Enchant needs to weigh in.

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Not sure yet. I was thinking Math but I'm waffling.

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Name. Role/Alignment. Flavor Name. Special.

1. Herta. Coroner. Unknown. Unknown.

2. Gimli. VT. Main character. Inherits Dead Player Ability.
3. STD. VT. Unknown. "Let's Collaborate", Creates hood.

4. Jessica Rabbit. Gnosia. "Block Argument", Vote Redirection.

5. Esooa. VT. Raqio. If someone susses them, can place additional vote.
6. Mathblade. Not a mason. Gina. If someone susses them, learns special ability of said player.

7. Ranger. Unknown. Setsu. "Vote!" Forces normal elimination phase.

8. Freedom. VT. Sha-Ming. Grovel. Can try to save self if voted out.

9. FakeGod. Guard Duty. Unknown. "What is your Role?".

10. Jada. Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

11. Enchant. Town. Kukrushka. "Regret"

12. gerryoat. Guard Duty. Unknown. Unknown.

13. Lady Lambdadelta. VT. Unknown. Refresh ability.

14. Not Known 15. Engineer. Unknown. "State you are Human".

15. narrow parking. Gnosia. Unknown. Obfuscate.

Credit to Enchant.

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So if FakeGod were to query esooa, Esooa would need to answer honestly their role, right?

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The mod made a deal of posting the pics of all of the characters. Do the character names have anything to do with what we're looking for?

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Fuck this game is hard.

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Who responded to NotKnown's "State you are Human" on Day 1 that they were Human:

1. Herta

Didn't respond

Scoliosis

2. Gimli

Responded Human

ProfessorDrapion
Marashu

3. Save The Dragons

Responded Human

Roden

5. Esooa

Responded Human

Elmo TeH AzN

6. Mathblade

Responded Human

Klick

8. Freedom

Didn't respond

Yume

9. FakeGod

Didn't respond

11. Enchant

Responded Human

12. gerryoat beeboy

Didn't respond

Autere

13. Lady Lambdadelta

Responded Human

shiki

I don't know how valuable that is, if at all. NotKnown's power was 1-shot, and I don't know if he could just ask a group like that. So fwiw. Freedom is the only non-confirmed player who sticks out.

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I'm going to be on the road all day Saturday so won't be around until late.

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Yeah that works.

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I spent longer with my mom today than I thought I would, but it was good.

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Ranger has died in the night!

You have (expired on 2023-01-29 18:51:15) to discuss. If you wish to end the discussion phase early feel free to use heal tags.

We're freezing Mathblade.

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Thanks, Math.

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I should have stressed the day before that Esooa should die last. My read wasn't great, but I was reasonably certain they were the last Gnosia. I wasn't expecting to die though.