Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Black]

Fmpov, going after me from one of your three positions, is possible scum using this to get 2 misfades before going down. So scum you here would want to get one of Chandra/Wheme, then me, and wanting to go Chandra over Wheme just looks like you want to get the perceived stronger town first.

You should understand that town trusting you here is a death sentence if you are scum. No one should just automatically be trusting you here

[Black]

I didn't need a scum ploy to fade you here if I were scum. It just put unnecessary focus on myself.

Nope, but you DO need something to fall back on when I flip town. And this is how you do it, by setting up Chandra/Wheme lims after me

[Black]

Yeah I think FL is just scum here lol

[Black]

How many times are you going to write "if I were scum" while defending yourself here?

[Black]

If you were town, I feel that just looks way worse than fading you without claiming that, though.

This claim does nothing but make me look worse if you ended up being town

Nah you would look 10x worse if you faded me then claimed. The claim sets you up to fallback on something after everyone learns that you've been pushing my mislim all game. This claim gives you room to breath while everyone pivots to Chandra/Wheme instead of you

[Black]

Tbh this sucks. I've been scumreading Wheme since like D1 and obviously I've had my issues with Chandra surviving so many nights. But I also have an issue with FL surviving too, and I can see this little plan of his coming from scum

The fact is one of FL or Chandra/Wheme is scum and it's going to be on us to figure out which is which

[Black]

Oh, also, Firebringer and Bianco died last night. That's two other people who were strongly town reading me.

You think this is supposed to make you look more towny?

[Black]

FL has been killing his "allies" all game and coming to the thread to complain about it lol. Great stuff

[Black]

Oh, also, Firebringer and Bianco died last night. That's two other people who were strongly town reading me.

You think this is supposed to make you look more towny?

Just an observation of everyone town reading me dying.

A public observation to try and make people townread you more. It's tactical

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This dude's grip on the game ends today

[Black]

Firebringer was someone who was defending both Chandra and Myself, and pushing Titus, so I could see that just being a big scum threat kill that benefited both Titus and Black

You had this ready to go. Every kill you've made has a reason like this behind it

[Black]

Black also said they used their ability on Merlyn and DGB, a protective ability, which are 2 likely partners to Black.

And they conveniently were fainted so they couldn't battle Giratina.

I protected Merlyn last night too. I like Merlyn a lot

And if me being fainted was to conveniently not fight Tina, why would I fight him today?

[Black]

I was fainted N3. I got my health back for N4

[Black]

We should absolutely fade FL. Town just loses the game if he's scum

[Black]

I guess the safer play would be to lim one of Chandra/Wheme but I have a really bad feeling after seeing the way FL is deciding to push this

[Black]

Ugh. I really wanna kill FL today, but I guess the correct play would be to see if he's telling the truth

VOTE: Chandra

[Black]

Black got through Day 1 because of the Magical Girl fade gaining fast steam.

They got through Day 4 because everyone was going on Italiano (I believe he probably would have been faded prior to modkill, he was E-2.)

I "got through" those days because not enough people think I'm scum. That's generally how Mafia works buddy

[Black]

I think FL is lying but I'm not sure if limming an investigative role is the play rn. It just seems so well crafted. If he's scum, he purposefully chose Chandra and Wheme as my counterparts because he knew they are both highly townread and unlikely to be limmed today. This ensures a Black lim. Then when I flip town, he'll come up with some "oops" post and start pushing Chandra/Wheme. Now at this point Chandra and Wheme would know FL is lying so they would push back, but would it be enough? I think most everyone else just falls in line with FL's claim and follows along

The key here is I fully expect FL to die tonight. So if he doesn't, y'all will know to lim him after I flip town

[Black]

this one irked me but on further thought i think i'm just picking on boring writing styles. flavor leaf has been super pushing black all game so i feel like a normal person leads with "black is probably scum" but i feel like for a while you were pretty even on pushing either way. on further further thought this is real. i feel like you waited until you saw a reaction to really pick a side, even though your outward opinion all game was that black is scum

This is what I meant by riding the fence. Town!FL leads with "black is scum" here

[Black]

this ellipsis is super sus... i'm going to do a meta dive to see how often black uses ellipsis... it just feels forced...

wtf lol

[Black]

black is incentivized to delay a fl lim as scum if it's not elo

What do you mean by this?

Also why do you not think we should lim between me/Chandra/Wheme?

[Black]

I've been saying you're scum literally all game.

Yeah except recently you've been toying with the idea of me being town, which is really weird

[Black]

but yeah, see what I mean about why it would be dumb as scum to claim this rather than just get an easy misfade.

I don't think it's dumb at all. This claim gives you some lim protection today seeing as people will be more inclined to test your theory first before yeeting you. It also removes most accountability from you after I flip town because you can just say "welp guess Chandra and Wheme are scum lolz" and then try to misfade there. My guess? You're lying scum and one of Wheme/Chandra is your buddy. Probably Wheme is my guess. That way maybe you can fade there after misliming me to ensure scum still wins after killing the final piece out of me/Chandra/Wheme

It's not as dumb as you are making it out to be and the fact that you keep bringing that up is scummy af

[Black]

Like why couldn't that have been done without the gambit?

Literally it's just putting more heat and focus on myself.

Because you likely die after misfading me. This gambit gives you an out that you otherwise wouldn't have

[Black]

Chandra reminded me that Wheme is a claimed vig, so I doubled up Wheme's vig-power.

Oh, maybe they are just scum lol

[Black]

Like you're saying I did all this so i'd have an out if you flip green, but I feel like fading you here with this claim puts more pressure on me after that, where if I were to push you without the claim, and you flip green, it just would have looked like i was wrong on a tunnel as town.

Wrong. The claim only puts pressure on you after both I flip green and one of Chandra/Wheme flips green, and at that point it probably doesn't matter because town likely loses with two more misfades

[Black]

Chandra reminded me that Wheme is a claimed vig, so I doubled up Wheme's vig-power.

Oh, maybe they are just scum lol

So Wheme had doubled up power, the ability to kill people, and still didn't kill anyone as scum?

you're just throwing stuff at the wall hoping it sticks.

This is so weird from you. You're not even considering that they could be scum here even though you really should be

[Black]

Like you're saying I did all this so i'd have an out if you flip green, but I feel like fading you here with this claim puts more pressure on me after that, where if I were to push you without the claim, and you flip green, it just would have looked like i was wrong on a tunnel as town.

Wrong. The claim only puts pressure on you after both I flip green and one of Chandra/Wheme flips green, and at that point it probably doesn't matter because town likely loses with two more misfades

I thought I die after your flip

That's only if you didn't claim. Try to keep up

[Black]

Why would I die after you flip if I didn't claim?

You'd be more likely to die than you would with with claim. The claim gives you an out, like I said. Somewhere to pivot. Without it all you could say after my flip was "oops". The claim sets up your entire position tomorrow after I flip green

[Black]

Does everyone see what I mean in regards to Black?

It's literally just tactic after tactic one after another.

What tactics?

[Black]

If I'm wrong on you, I don't see anyone here fully accepting that it's not me just pulling a gambit. Like that's just not a free fade like you're acting like it is

You didn't know someone would call your gambit out when you initially made the claim. Most everyone townreads you so scum!FL shouldn't have been worried about people rejecting his claim when he was making it

[Black]

Does everyone see what I mean in regards to Black?

It's literally just tactic after tactic one after another.

What tactics?

You're saying different things hoping one sticks and resonates with someone, and not acknowledging things when you're going back on what you said.

You have pushed me for considering Wheme/Chandra as scum, and pushed me for not considering Wheme/Chandra as scum.

You just didnt care that you're calling both actions scummy, and showed you're not trying to catch scum, you're trying to misfade me here.

Those are the tactics you keep trying to sell the audience on? Lmao

[Black]

You mentioned my endless tactics a couple of times and then you just name two things lol. You're running out of ways to paint me as scum. You used your whole bucket throughout this game

[Black]

i thought you said chandra was a better lim than wheme. hence you are voting chandra.

I did say that before I put on my tinfoil that one of Wheme/Chandra could be in on it with FL. I still think either one of them could be a scum!FL partner but Wheme would be my guess

[Black]

Black is caught scum trying to get any sort of misfade before going down.

Nah. You're flailing now. You're desperately trying to talk people into thinking I'm scum

[Black]

Fuck you FL. You are so fucking annoying

I'm sick of this game. I'm sick of you being absolutely obsessed with me and twisting every thing I do into some scum post. I can't play the fucking game without you posting right behind me calling me scum

I've had enough tbh. If you are town then I hope you know you're playing like fucking SHIT

Like seriously FUCK YOU. I'm done with this fucking game and this fucking website

VOTE: Black

[Black]

VOTE: Chandra

[Black]

I think Chandra/Wheme are scum. I'm willing to believe FL for now

I don't think it's a coincidence that Chandra asked for Wheme's powers to be doubled, and now Chandra is asking to die instead of Wheme if we go for one of them

This makes me think Wheme has way more utility and we should probably start with him

VOTE: Wheme

[Black]

No one should be townreading me based off my AtE. I would get frustrated here as town or scum. This game has not been fun and playing with someone like FL makes it even worse

I do think we should trust FL today and lim out of me/Chandra/Wheme

[Black]

Chandra's response to FL's claim was to sacrifice himself to save Wheme, when logistically it should have been "oh Black is scum"

This combined with Chandra trying to get the role doubler to target Wheme makes me think they're just scum and Wheme has a very powerful scum role

[Black]

I'm still down for a Wheme lim

Is this player just scum they have such bad takes

Yeah ok...

[Black]

If Chandra is actually scum here then they called me stupid for correctly findinf him and Wheme as scum. That's so cool...

[Black]

I love it when caught scum personally attacks the person that found them

[Black]

VOTE: chandra
I feel good enough to put this vote down now

Wheme first? If they are scum I feel like we should go for the one they are trying to buff and keep alive

[Black]

Black if you're scum fooling me here I will be very sad

I'm town but I still think

you

could be scum tbh. Your vote for Chandra freaked me out. I like that you switched to Wheme when you could have just ghosted and left your vote there but I still feel like this could be a bus from you. I like that you're working with me but that also gives me pause

[Black]

Chandra's response to FL's claim was to sacrifice himself to save Wheme, when logistically it should have been "oh Black is scum"

This combined with Chandra trying to get the role doubler to target Wheme makes me think they're just scum and Wheme has a very powerful scum role

This never happened?

Yes it did

[Black]

Chandra's response to FL's claim was to sacrifice himself to save Wheme, when logistically it should have been "oh Black is scum"

This combined with Chandra trying to get the role doubler to target Wheme makes me think they're just scum and Wheme has a very powerful scum role

No, it's still black is probably scum, I just didn't think that part needed saying lol

You didn't think it would be a good idea to push the person you think is scum? Instead it's a better idea to offer to die instead of Wheme when you should be mostly convinced you are both town?

[Black]

You all have access to a source of information where you review my/wheme's actions the whole game to see if we look like partners

Maybe you'll come away thinking we do but it's weird that no one is even using that line

I was looking through your ISO doing just that. You two could easily be partners

[Black]

HUHHHHH

chandra wanted me dead all day 1

???

How does that make you two not scum?

[Black]

Wheme's abilities weren't doubled Day 1. He could have a strong role, but there's extra incentive keeping him alive after the role is doubled. Also I don't think distancing a little D1 puts Wheme at any risk. He hasn't been at risk all game

[Black]

Yeah it's so crazy to think two scum buddies could try to distance D1 and use it as a way to say they're not buddies later in the game. That has absolutely never happened before

[Black]

Was Chandra still poisoned N3? One of those actions might be someone trying to cure him

[Black]

yeah, i saw these pokemon visit chandra: regular liligant, porygon 2, furret, naganadel
i'll go ahead and claim the rest of my results. i can't imagine why not
wooper and haunter visited flavor leaf night 1
nobody visited whemestar night 2
i forgot to use an action last night. whoopsy-daisy etc

Yeah, there's definitely something fucked about those night 3 results

Elaborate?

I didn't visit you night 3, and I'm in the pool of people who visited you night 3. Black can attest to this cause I poisoned her on that night.

I did not get poisoned N3

[Black]

I've never been poisoned

Oh true, I misread. That was Cakez

[Black]

I was knocked out N3, could that be why I wasn't poisoned?

[Black]

VOTE: Meuh

Can we flip this poisoner?

VOTE: Meuh

Can we flip this poisoner?

Assuming this means my poisoning worked?

Lmao. That's wild. I just wanted to flip you, I had no idea you even targeted me XD

[Black]

I still haven't fucking evolved into Ninetails. My battles are rigged

[Black]

I'm fighting Tina tonight when I should probably go for the evolution but w/e

[Black]

I fought Chimchar. Easy money

Same fight, different result

[Black]

Meuh why are you not pushing me here? I feel like if you trust FL then you should be convinced I'm scum

[Black]

Meuh why are you not pushing me here? I feel like if you trust FL then you should be convinced I'm scum

I'm just conflicted and unsure at this point, and I don't feel like I can quite figure out that situation at this point
I do think FL is town though

I guess my point is, don't you pretty heavily TR Chandra and Wheme? Sorry if I'm wrong but I think I remember you having them in your town pile. So if you think FL is town as well then the logical conclusion would be I'm just scum

I'm not scum and I'm happy that you're conflicted instead of pushing me, but it just doesn't really match up to how you've been treating me the whole game. There's finally proof that I could be scum and now you're not sure, despite thinking I'm scum and pushing me for most of the game? Like I don't think this is necessarily scum indicative of you but I'm trying to find the thought process

[Black]

Wheme, Chandra, NM, STD

If there's a 5th maybe Titus or Cakez? I guess kitty/DGB could be scum. Yimmy and Merlyn are probably town

[Black]

So you have two targeting abilities? Encore is a weird choice for Kirlia since she doesn't learn it naturally. Idk, this claim feels weird

If Chandra chose male then their evolution will be part Fighting type and I bet they gain another targeting ability like a challenge or something

[Black]

Can we confirm people are the flavors that Flavor said?

You know what.

Shirou had an ability that targets a player and comes across as a different player, and it also suppresses.

They also had an ability that gave them 2 actions the next night.

They probably suppressed Chandra and then it came across as Meuh.

Then Meuh targeted Black, and Black was fainted so they didn’t get poisoned. Or Black’s lying about that part.

We already saw this ability as Shirou impersonating Drew when I was attacked. Did Shirou use it again?

NM fits into literally every scum team

I don't see NM scum here. Why do you?

Titus could be scum here. These questions feel like empty content

[Black]

oh, encore is actually for the next 2 times

still doesn't seem good

Does it force them to target the same person too?

[Black]

I'm at work so I don't have time to respond to everything, but I'm tatsugiri. Since I subbed in I've been in the belly of dondozo

This tracks with what Shea claimed. Dondozo is dead though so I would assume you're out now

[Black]

@Black - what nights did you target Merlyn?

N2 when she was Squirtle and N4

[Black]

Is NM useful as town? I've played one game with him when he replaced into Death Note and literally all he did there was being summoned to hammer

[Black]

It's definitely Chandra and Wheme lol. Chandra's posts over the last couple of pages have been all over the place

@DGB - Titus could be scum but I think we need to test FL's role here and lim between me/Wheme/Chandra

[Black]

yeah that strategy that usually doesnt work seems way better than townies who openly will never vote me

So you think killing off the few people that are actually sus of you would be the better play? That just makes you look worse imo

do you all think italiano & black were TvT because i sure didn't

i hope we get the opportunity to hunt for black and merlyn's other partners

This feels like fake content. You should be able to hunt for our partners like...right now. Why are you hoping? If you were town then you would just do it

this is me thinking about which one to move to

This is you sitting in the backseat watching two townies fight and telling everyone in the car you're thinking about moving to the front seat. That's scummy

my ability is a modified hider. i think im alive because i was rolecopped early & they knew not to bother

This is such a huge stretch and I don't think you actually believe this. You're just flailing here trying to justify why you haven't been NK'd when no one is even talking about that anymore

a lil hurtful to spend the whole game bleeding town all over the thread and be looking at being discarded in favor of an ATE selfvote lol

Scum "bleed town" too. It's literally what scum is encouraged to do in order to reach their win condition. And you minimizing why people don't want to vote for me is hilarious. Anyone can look at my iso and find townie stuff. Here you're acting like I've been this scummy presence all game and now suddenly people don't want to vote for me because I got mad. That's not true. This is just an attempt to shade and discredit me

STD watching me die like a dead fish over there yeah that comes from the read hes expressed on me all game

Tugging at your husband's heartstrings to try and get him to come defend you. That's cute, but also scummy

TBH I just skimmed some of our alleged distancing and we're really good scum players in the alternate universe where we're scum

You're implying here that you and Wheme are bad scum players. That's pretty hilarious

[Black]

Cakez how tf do you think we’re scum

Why are you not scum together?

[Black]

Black it's pretty obvious that they are treating me like a townie bc they know I'm town

Fwiw you have seemed more townie to me these last few pages. There's a sudden confidence and conviction that I didn't see before and I think that indicates you are finally sure about something (Wheme/Chandra)

[Black]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Chandra asked DGB to buff Wheme. Also I think it's telling that they are spending more time trying to convince people they're not scum together instead of trying to convince people I'm scum. From their POV I'm definitely scum, but they don't seem interested in proving it or even looking for potential partners

[Black]

Thought about attacking Titus at night but they got send to the shadow realm so I pivoted

When Wheme flips scum we should look at Titus as a Wheme/Chandra buddy

[Black]

Though I guess that would mean scum sent their own member to the shadow realm. Doesn't seem that crazy if they think it'll give Titus townread, but it does make me pause

[Black]

I think it's just black but I'm still wrestling with it. I need time to think and I don't really have it.

Wheme/Chandra/STD/NM

[Black]

Yeah I'm not doing this whole Titus is a scum legend thing this game.

VOTE: Black

I want the playerlist to remember this vote when I flip

[Black]

Titus is probably just scum here that wants to silence me before I figure the whole damn team out

[Black]

@DGB and anyone that townreads me, please join me on Wheme

[Black]

I'm not scum for thinking you're the least towniest of the three and the one I'm probably wrong on, try again

I mean I just think you are scum based on how you've played the game and positioned yourself here. You sound like you're caught for the wrong reasons

[Black]

Wheme and Chandra are definitely scum (assuming FL is telling the truth)

NM is probably the most likely partner since Chandra has been saying they are scum all game but they don't want to fade him

StD and Titus are likely partners but they could be townies I suppose. Definitely look here though

I think DGB could fit into a Wheme/Chandra team but I'm less confident here

I think Merlyn is just town. Same for Yimmy

Not sure who I'm missing

[Black]

Cakez and Meuh. I've scumread these two a lot but lately I've been leaning closer to the middle on both of them. I think Cakez comes across townie in the last several pages. Meuh too but to a lesser extent

[Black]

If I'm the lim choice today then town needs to lim Wheme/Chandra/NM the next 3 days. Please don't let me down here

[Black]

I keep ping ponging back and forth between "yeah Black is obviously scum here" to "oh it's definitely Chandra and Wheme", it makes my head hurt

Hi, it's me, I'm town. I know you've scumread me all game but I hope you can find it in you to trust me here

[Black]

I'm here to answer any questions from people that are trying to decide between me and Chandra/Wheme

[Black]

Blackpink

[Black]

[Black]

[Black]

I could see Cakez/DGB as Wheme/Chandra partners. That would require us to assume the Cakez/Chandra interactions are theater which is entirely possible

[Black]

Wheme/Chandra aren't town though, if you're telling the truth. So your scum wanting to kill Wheme first theory is wrong

I'm having a hard time seeing DGB and Chandra being scum together based on some of their interactions today but it's still possible

[Black]

Like it's a known fact that Chandra asked DGB to buff Wheme, and it's pretty obvious that Chandra is trying to keep Wheme alive by offering to be the lim if people decide it's between those two. That's scum trying to keep their best role alive. We should definitely to Wheme first

[Black]

If FL is town and we lose the game due to his game-long tunnel on me, I'm gonna have a lot of fun rubbing his nose in that post game

[Black]

I almost kinda hope it happens. FL doesn't deserve this win if he's town. If town does manage to win it'll be despite FL, and it'll be on the backs of players who are trying to solve through his giant cloud of bullshit

[Black]

Cakez could be scum trying to pocket me here, for sure

[Black]

I keep going "hmm but Black looks townie at this point" and then I remember that the stars have to align to create a world in which she isn't scum and I realize I should trust day 2 Meuh, she's a better mafia player

The stars have to align for me to not be scum? Lol wut

[Black]

I don't think I can really justify not voting for Black here, ultimately

I'M TOWN

Don't throw

[Black]

FLIP CHANDRA/WHEME/NM AFTER I FLIP TOWN!!!! PLEASE!!!

[Black]

I just think everything points to you being scum and the voice at the back of my head saying it thinks you can be town shouldn't be trusted over all of that

Everything does not point to me being scum. You are seeing what you want to see

[Black]

FL, if you're town, this loss is heavily on your shoulders btw. You can argue this all you want and I know you will because your ego is huge, but it doesn't change the fact that this is on you

If you're scum then well played

[Black]

There's throwing, and there's voting for someone you've had at best conflicting feelings and at worst a hard scumread on since day 2 who's likely to be scum based on an investigative check by a player very likely to be town.

See you post game

[Black]

Just vote. I'm defeated. This game was fucking awful. Just get me out of here

[Black]

Instant paranoia of Wheme/Chandra/Titus/Meuh team.

Too fucking late for that buddy

[Black]

I do think of Chandra or Wheme end up being town then Meuh/FL are two of the scum team. I don't really think it matters though because if you flip me and then flip town!Wheme then it's just GG

[Black]

I pray that FL is town. I want him to lose this game. He deserves it

[Black]

Lmao

FL is building his entire empire on the assumption I'm scum. It's gonna be hilarious watching his world view crumble XD

[Black]

That means Black/Cakez/Merlyn then 1 or 2 of Titus/DGB/Meuh/STD/NM

You're not this bad at the game are you? You think Merlyn and Cakez just openly defend me here if we're all scum together? Why wouldn't they just bus me to earn immediate towncred?

[Black]

if it's 5 scum, it makes more sense to go for Wheme/Chandra here and go for the win

I heavily disagree. Scum don't need to go for the win here. They are so far ahead that they can afford to bus one player to try and get 1-2 of them townread in case we start limming a string of scum. It would be incredibly stupid for all the scum to vote together here

[Black]

I don't even know why I'm trying to convince you of anything. You have the worst tunnel vision out of anyone I've played with on this site

I'm just gonna sit back and watch you lead town to their demise here

[Black]

God what if it's flavor and Wheme and that's why Wheme keeps making dogshit night actions

Whatever tho

If you really are town then I heavily recommend we vote for FL

I don't see any world where you trust me here and go through with this but we could be heroes if you are actually town...

[Black]

I already had an idea that if FL is scum then one of Chandra/Wheme are too. That'll give FL more cred after my flip. All he has to do is bus whichever of Chandra/Wheme is his buddy and then the next day everyone trusts him again for the final mislim and the nail in the coffin

[Black]

I'm trying to do what I can to win town the game. I'll use whatever angle I can if it means leaving no stone unturned

[Black]

Does furret learn foresight

Yes

[Black]

Wait. Didn't Yimmy say no one targeted Wheme N2 when FL supposedly did?

[Black]

nobody visited whemestar night 2

I targeted Whemestar Night 2 and got a result.

Like this just implies it's FL/Wheme here right? FL said he thinks Yimmy is lying here but he didn't go anywhere else with this

[Black]

He thinks Yimmy is townie despite also thinking that Yimmy lied? What am I missing here

Yimmy is townie, but every now and then they something that's a bit off to me

[Black]

FL wouldn't have to target Wheme to know his role, but he would definitely have to lie and say he targeted him. Then Yimmy comes through and proves FL lied about targeting Wheme. We know he targeted Chandra thanks to Yimmy, so Chandra would be town in a scum!Wheme scum!FL world

[Black]

In a scum FL world then Wheme and Meuh are the most obvious partners. Chandra, Yimmy, and I are essentially conftown

[Black]

Oh.

Never mind.

My Night 1 action made me an unstoppable ninja until the next cycle with +1 Def.

The move got disabled that night.

What does this mean?

[Black]

Cool you can hit the multi quote button lol

What does FL's post mean?

[Black]

...his night 2 action wouldn't have been seen by Yimmy

No shot people are buying this?! Lmfaooo

Bro got caught lying and then was like 'oh wait I was an unstoppable ninja lolz"

NO SHOT

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Meuh is his buddy

[Black]

Guys get in here we actually might win this

[Black]

Yeah it definitely looks convenient on a reread but I'm also surprised it was remembered that FL called out Yimmy about it but not that he then claimed the ninja N2 action?

I didn't know what an unstoppable ninja was

[Black]

FL is without a doubt lying scum here and yeah, that makes Wheme scum too and Chandra is town

[Black]

Why didn't you ask

I just did

[Black]

FL/Wheme/Meuh/Titus/NM

[Black]

Why didn't you ask

I just did

There was a significant amount of time in between where you just thought FL thought Yimmy was completely lying and you were chill with that? I feel like it's the kind of thing you'd want to resolve before moving on from

I saw FL's post and I thought he was responding to something else. What is the purpose of this line of questioning? To me it just looks like you're trying to shade me over nothing? What would be the scum motivation for waiting until now to bring this up and pretending like I don't know what an unstoppable ninja is?

[Black]

Suddenly Meuh is on the offensive now that her and FL are caught

[Black]

Why didn't you ask

I just did

There was a significant amount of time in between where you just thought FL thought Yimmy was completely lying and you were chill with that? I feel like it's the kind of thing you'd want to resolve before moving on from

I saw FL's post and I thought he was responding to something else. What is the purpose of this line of questioning? To me it just looks like you're trying to shade me over nothing? What would be the scum motivation for waiting until now to bring this up and pretending like I don't know what an unstoppable ninja is?

Convenient

Yeah just like your bogus unstoppable ninja claim after you were caught lying lmao

[Black]

Lmao if FL is scum I'll gladly lose, you had a very weird progression here and I'm right to call it out

Nah, not at all. My progression has been pretty clear. Chandra brought up that it could just be Wheme/FL and that made me think about Yimmy saying FL didn't target Wheme N2. You're just defending your buddy here

[Black]

and you just didn't care about those contradictory claims until now?? I can get why you're thinking about it again now but I feel like there'd be some sort of urgency to resolve whatever was going on with Yimmy/FL, especially when you were actively saying FL's claim was likely to be real?? Why would you put your trust in him in that situation?

At the time I was so concerned with the Chandra/Wheme associations that I forgot about the whole Yimmy/FL thing. I don't really care if you believe me here or not, I think you're just caught scum

[Black]

that just actively proves that scum knew the interaction was legit, and didn't decide to push it based on where the gamestate was.

now Black chose to pivot, and things change?

What changed? I'm still the only one pushing it. Chandra and Cakez are barely considering it

[Black]

I want people to decide between me and FL. And if I'm the lim choice, I want FL gone tomorrow, not Chandra, not Wheme

[Black]

it's your best play so far.

end of the day, you only need one misfade, so you're setting up decently once you and Cakez go down.

I don't think you really believe this. And if I were scum here I don't think this play makes sense at all. I highly doubt anyone will lim you over me here. The better play would try to rally everyone to Wheme. But I just think I'm right here and I'm going with my gut. When I flip then I feel like I have put enough down here to get you flipped tomorrow, and that will be so glorious to watch

[Black]

Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

You're kidding me right? I was the first person to consider FL was lying lmao

[Black]

I feel confident that after I'm faded y'all will send FL packing. I'm cool with being limmed as long as he goes next. Bring on the votes

[Black]

Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

You're kidding me right? I was the first person to consider FL was lying lmao

Not from what I've seen but I'm playing strictly from memory. I'm perfectly open to being corrected.

To be fair no one should really trust "what you've seen"

You've barely been keeping up with the game

[Black]

Send me home today and when I flip, FL goes next

[Black]

Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

You're kidding me right? I was the first person to consider FL was lying lmao

Not from what I've seen but I'm playing strictly from memory. I'm perfectly open to being corrected.

To be fair no one should really trust "what you've seen"

You've barely been keeping up with the game

Then correct me. I'm always open to that, especially when I know I'm not batting 100%. I shouldn't be trusted as for accuracy or reputation but honesty. Please rather than disagreeing, correct me. Otherwise, I feel like this is scum throwing in the towel.

After FL claimed I expressed doubt and even voted for him. It was many pages ago but you can just check my iso if you don't believe me

This is town throwing in the towel. I'm done

[Black]

And yeah I've thrown in the towel twice already but I keep getting spurts of motivation to help solve once I'm gone. I can't help it. Hopefully you all will yeet FL after me

[Black]

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

I'd be mad too. I hate focusing in this pool because my independent read levels support eliminating NM or DGB. Not the active people claimed.

Of course looking at wagons has got us into this mess so...

Also yeah I agree DGB and NM are the most likely scum at this point I think

What happens if you me Chandra turn around and vote NM?

This is so silly. Either I'm scum, Chandra/Wheme are scum, or FL is scum. Voting outside of this group would be a mistake

[Black]

VOTE: black

I just don't think it's chandra

Chandra is town. Wheme and FL are scum

[Black]

FL/Wheme/NM/STD/Titus

Final solve for when I'm gone. I would probably lim in this order too tbh

[Black]

Take note that NM didn't wait for the hammer to vote. He was told in the scum PT that his vote was needed to expedite the momentum. Same for STD

[Black]

FL/Wheme/NM/STD/Titus

Final solve for when I'm gone. I would probably lim in this order too tbh

This is a fucking fire solve and I encourage any townies reading this to follow this plan

[Black]

So is that E-1?

Also Titus said she was leaving but clearly she is keeping up with the game lol

[Black]

I found the whole fucking scumteam and now they want me dead immediately

[Black]

FL/Wheme/NM/STD/Titus

[Black]

You’re caught.

You're so wrong, but I think you know that

[Black]

This is my last game on the site so it was fun playing with some of you

VOTE: Black

[Black]

The biggest thing that outs you as scum is exactly that.

You’ve been calling me wrong.

I'm town you dumb fuck

[Black]

When you say something that is incorrect, you are wrong. You called me scum. I'm not scum. Therefore you are wrong

Hope this clears up any language issues you're having

[Black]

I'm town. I have no reason to lie about that now

Please kill FL tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow

[Black]

ggwp!