Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

I think you and I both fight G here if the game continues. We should both be low enough health to be knocked out, but you'd lose poisoned and we'd both be back up because of the lack of a nightkill. That is if I stop rolling shit.

[SirCakez]

Sure, but there's tons of other reasons from this game that show I'm coming from a town perspective.

Ok just answer this question
Why did you wait until after the conflict was brought up to claim the ninja part of your role

[SirCakez]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

[Titus]

Cakey, what do you think about how the thread's impact on me deciding to heal you over Flavor? Do you feel I was influenced like my theory says or do you feel I'm largely immune to manipulation in this state or do you feel sending me to you over FL was good persuasion if so by whom?

[SirCakez]

Lemme do some meta and see how Black has acted as scum in the past

[Titus]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

I'm on a clock. AMA.

[SirCakez]

The holdup for me is more that I find Chandra scummy af

[SirCakez]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

I'm on a clock. AMA.

Why is it Black here? Beyond rage. Give it to me in like two sentences.

[SirCakez]

Cakey, what do you think about how the thread's impact on me deciding to heal you over Flavor? Do you feel I was influenced like my theory says or do you feel I'm largely immune to manipulation in this state or do you feel sending me to you over FL was good persuasion if so by whom?

This question kind of confuses me. I think you're a strong enough player and have been fairly involved this game so I don't think the thread would have been that big an influence on your heal decision

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, but there's tons of other reasons from this game that show I'm coming from a town perspective.

Ok just answer this question
Why did you wait until after the conflict was brought up to claim the ninja part of your role

It was a different move.

I stated I evolved, and got the move.

I stated the move I had was disabled Night 1 when I confirmed to malakittens with 'my disable' prior to her stating what it was.

I started with that move with no targetable actions, so the unstoppable/ninja side of it absolutely is not the main part of that role. The +1 DEF is.

It seems like a red herring in the setup for this specific reason. As scum, I would not have been in this situation because if I was able to target, as proven when I targeted Chandra Night 3, why wouldn't I have done that to Wheme for security?

[Titus]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

I'm on a clock. AMA.

Why is it Black here? Beyond rage. Give it to me in like two sentences.

KISS (Keep it Simple Silly). It makes more sense to believe I was wrong on one person rather than two. That leaves FL or Black. Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

[SirCakez]

Ugh Blacks only scum games are two newbies
Whatever I'll check them out

[Flavor Leaf]

The holdup for me is more that I find Chandra scummy af

Chandra and I seem more like possible partners than Wheme and I.


Wheme and I look T/T who scum think are too close so they push it as S/S, but it's almost always T/S or T/T.

I believe that was a play Black was going to attempt prior to my role, and then found a way to make it go that way.

She's been pivoting every time there's a new layer added.

She is legit just survivalist scum.

[Titus]

Cakey, what do you think about how the thread's impact on me deciding to heal you over Flavor? Do you feel I was influenced like my theory says or do you feel I'm largely immune to manipulation in this state or do you feel sending me to you over FL was good persuasion if so by whom?

This question kind of confuses me. I think you're a strong enough player and have been fairly involved this game so I don't think the thread would have been that big an influence on your heal decision

Flattering and honest. I haven't been as involved as I thought I'd be.

[SirCakez]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

I'm on a clock. AMA.

Why is it Black here? Beyond rage. Give it to me in like two sentences.

KISS (Keep it Simple Silly). It makes more sense to believe I was wrong on one person rather than two. That leaves FL or Black. Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

I agree the sudden pivot to FL only when someone else brought up could be a scum move. And FL is sorta convincing me that wasn't a scumslip. Our reads without mechanics disagree on Chandra and Wheme rn so idk what we can talk about there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cakey, what do you think about how the thread's impact on me deciding to heal you over Flavor? Do you feel I was influenced like my theory says or do you feel I'm largely immune to manipulation in this state or do you feel sending me to you over FL was good persuasion if so by whom?

This question kind of confuses me. I think you're a strong enough player and have been fairly involved this game so I don't think the thread would have been that big an influence on your heal decision

She got sent to the Shadow Realm the Night that I was supposed to get healed.

[SirCakez]

Sure, but there's tons of other reasons from this game that show I'm coming from a town perspective.

Ok just answer this question
Why did you wait until after the conflict was brought up to claim the ninja part of your role

It was a different move.

I stated I evolved, and got the move.

I stated the move I had was disabled Night 1 when I confirmed to malakittens with 'my disable' prior to her stating what it was.

I started with that move with no targetable actions, so the unstoppable/ninja side of it absolutely is not the main part of that role. The +1 DEF is.

It seems like a red herring in the setup for this specific reason. As scum, I would not have been in this situation because if I was able to target, as proven when I targeted Chandra Night 3, why wouldn't I have done that to Wheme for security?

hrmmm okay

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

[SirCakez]

I do trust u to lead us to glory FL. I'm just getting so paranoid how
NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer, Ranger, and Klick are all people who I was high up on their reads, and all 3 of them actively know me, and have successfully town read and scum read me before, and they were pushing me as town.

Titus, also someone who has a good accuracy on me bar a couple times I actively changed specifically to pocket her (she's done the same towards me), also thinks I am town here.

This was scum trying to eventually misfade me.

I have had zero to no grip on where the misfades go, EXCEPT for LLD, who happened to be town.

When have I ever spent days on a slot like Black and I can't rally them to get misfaded?

These are the scenarios where I am right, annoying perhaps, but I feel like I am correct.

It is not a coincidence that Squirtle saved Black from my pushes multiple times by joining in on the shading of me.

Squirtle did that in Day 1 and in Day 2.

Black and Merlyn are almost always scum together here, imo.


Black has actively stated they have defended Merlyn twice now with their night actions and has way too strong a read there.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm just having fun thinking about this not serious but what if we pivoted to NM and then I hide in such a way as to intentionally die

Not opposed to this, but it's circular logic.

If we believe FL and if we believed your claim to hide as to die, then we'd just eliminate Black and encourage you not to die.

Who have you hid behind?

N1 failed due to shirou ascetic
N2 dgb
N3 failed due to merlyns role apparently
N4 knocked out

At the start I was aiming for likely town players I didn't think would be nightkilled or battled, later decided the town aspect wasn't that important

To be clear, does you!town mean dbg!town or are you not weak?

im not weak

[Titus]

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

I'd be mad too. I hate focusing in this pool because my independent read levels support eliminating NM or DGB. Not the active people claimed.

Of course looking at wagons has got us into this mess so...

[Titus]

Firebringer, Ranger, and Klick are all people who I was high up on their reads, and all 3 of them actively know me, and have successfully town read and scum read me before, and they were pushing me as town.

Titus, also someone who has a good accuracy on me bar a couple times I actively changed specifically to pocket her (she's done the same towards me), also thinks I am town here.

This was scum trying to eventually misfade me.

I have had zero to no grip on where the misfades go, EXCEPT for LLD, who happened to be town.

When have I ever spent days on a slot like Black and I can't rally them to get misfaded?

These are the scenarios where I am right, annoying perhaps, but I feel like I am correct.

It is not a coincidence that Squirtle saved Black from my pushes multiple times by joining in on the shading of me.

Squirtle did that in Day 1 and in Day 2.

Black and Merlyn are almost always scum together here, imo.


Black has actively stated they have defended Merlyn twice now with their night actions and has way too strong a read there.

My judgment is clearly not to be relied upon this game.

[SirCakez]

I'm basically ignoring the wagons at this point because they were so fucked the town just had terrible reads this game lol

[Black]

Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

You're kidding me right? I was the first person to consider FL was lying lmao