Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Cook]

well well well if it isn't the consequences of my own actions

here's a joke for you all - three hyperposters, a purple skittle, and the

red lord AniX

walk into a theme park. what do you get?

fifteen pages in 24 hours, cmon we can do this

VOTE: KatyKimFanClub because of corncob tv

[Cook]

I want to remind everyone the last time I played forum mafia (I want to say 2004? early 2005?) I think only Dragon was on the site and one or more of you might not even have been born so please cut me some slack when I eventually lose the game for the town. I am effectively a newbie and since I just shuttered the newbie queue and fired the newbie mod, I really am rudderless right now.

Anyway, I kind of want to vote Save the Dragons, I really want to be able to say "I haven't played since before any living player joined". Can we make that happen?

idk kinda sounds like you're shooting yourself in the foot here

[Cook]

VOTE: KatyKimFanClub because of corncob tv

FUCK that reminded me that this game was supposed to be the one where I shoehorn in at least one ITYSL quote into every post.

WE'RE ALLOWED TO SHOW THEM NUDE BECAUSE THEY AINT GOT NO SOUL!!!

from

last game

we were in together came this beauty

[Cook]

ahem. i need to engage with the game. gimme a sec

[Cook]

i have no frame of reference on why everyone's immediately piling on ranger?

[Cook]

don't ever let me catch you asking for a tl;dr in a mafia game again

you know what? i'm gonna start asking for tl;dr's even harder

[Cook]

VOTE: Anix

why vote

[Cook]

because anix is obvious scum lol

it's the red name isn't it

well what if one of the designers made their town PM's red and their mafia PM's blue

what then

[Cook]

i just won a competition that anix set of course i'm anix's buddy

[Cook]

time to blindly pocket the admin

[Cook]

Alisae can I get a tl;dr about your red PM?

i laughed out loud irl

Alisae can I get a tl;dr about your red PM?

OMG OMG OMG OMG

woah there. you can't have two reactions to the same post.

slow your roll

[Cook]

Aureal I got a read pm too!!!!!!

of course. all of us read our PMs. it was in the rules

[Cook]

because anix is obvious scum lol

it's the red name isn't it

well what if one of the designers made their town PM's red and their mafia PM's blue

what then

Is your PM blue?

it's octarine

[Cook]

because anix is obvious scum lol

Extreme Peter Falk voice:

"That's a very interesting insight. You know, my wife, lovely lady, but she is always accusing me of being scum so I can definitely see your point. I leave my dirty raincoat out, scum. I say this thing or that thing, scum. I gotta tell ya, it feels like I'm a made man a dozen times a day if I work too much and she gets really bent out of shape with me. So I hear you, I won't press you on why you are you trying to push me so hard."

I turn to leave, but hesitate for a second, as if reminded of something, before turning back around.

"One more thing, I just remembered this, completely slipped my mind. I read my role PM a day or two ago and then whoosh, didn't even connect the dots. Lots of distractions as new admin, I gotta tell you. Butif I'm scum, like you said, and I'm not trying to call you a liar here, but if I'm scum like you say...why did my role PM say town-aligned? Because I got to tell you, I haven't played Mafia in 20 years, but last I checked, maybe I'm wrong, 20 years is a long time after all, but last I checked the only people who try to kill off town-aligned roles...are scum themselves. Anyway, I'll get out of your hair now."

vigilante

[Cook]

aw damn it i was gonna pull off the phoenix wright objection gif

anyhow

[Cook]

Aureal I got a red pm too!!!!!!

I actually

didn't

get a red role PM.

Just like you

didn't

put me in the Nightmare?

No, I unironically got no red in my role PM. It may have something to do with being a miller.

i have a feeling there wasn't

any

color in our role PMs at all

[Cook]

as in, my role pm has no color

[Cook]

i think

[Cook]

well it's between me and the mod so

[Cook]

I mandella effected i thought xyzzy used their ooc formatting for role pms.

new mandela effect xyzzy only uses ooc tags for scum

the tag's already red, alisae. it's perfect for you! <3

[Cook]

i don't have a hand but i have a metal pole will that do

[Cook]

oh wait nvm

pagetop

[Cook]

{Save The Dragons}
{DKKoba}
{Cook}
{AniX, Skygazer}
{camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub, Aureal}
{Ircher}
{Alisae}
{Doctor Drew}

is this a reads post if so how should i read the reads post

[Cook]

not reading lol it's my bed time but i typed this up ahead of time

i can (actually, must) give people control of my vote on even days. please fill out this application (only if you want...) and i will grant my vote to the towniest applicant. some of these questions are relevant to another aspect of my role and some are red herrings.

1) hypothetically, if you have a night action, would you prefer aiming at town, null, or scum? if you don't have a night action please don't out that and just pick what speaks to you so as to not divulge info. before you accuse me of rolefishing please keep in mind everyone is free to disregard this questionaire.
2) if i had control over *your* vote, would you be okay with me disregarding your opinions? i mean i'll generally only be donating my vote to people i townread, but that doesnt mean i'll agree with your reads. and if i'm relinquishing control, it's only fair for you to relinquish something in return!
3) if you could form a neighborhood with two other players on night one, who would you pick?
4) what is your level of spice tolerance? (this one is definitely just a fun red herring)

i look forward to your applications! i feel like my role is more antitown if i go about it privately. i'll reiterate that i can't vote on even days so prepare for some shitposts.

1. i'd like to take charge and aim at scum
2. sure, you can have my vote. i'll even give it to you right now look VOTE: skygazer
3. uuuuuuuh i wanna play in the same corner as anix and alisae. maybe dkkoba. i want one of those latter two, some KKFC on the side, and a medium coke please. yes i'll round up for children's charity. and you know what? i think i wanna pay it forward. yknow, pay for the next guy's meal. do something decent for a change.
4. i can tolerate spice pretty well. does this mean i can by extension tolerate ranger? maybe

[Cook]

gotcha, thanks

[Cook]

not reading lol it's my bed time but i typed this up ahead of time

i can (actually, must) give people control of my vote on even days. please fill out this application (only if you want...) and i will grant my vote to the towniest applicant. some of these questions are relevant to another aspect of my role and some are red herrings.

1) hypothetically, if you have a night action, would you prefer aiming at town, null, or scum? if you don't have a night action please don't out that and just pick what speaks to you so as to not divulge info. before you accuse me of rolefishing please keep in mind everyone is free to disregard this questionaire.
2) if i had control over *your* vote, would you be okay with me disregarding your opinions? i mean i'll generally only be donating my vote to people i townread, but that doesnt mean i'll agree with your reads. and if i'm relinquishing control, it's only fair for you to relinquish something in return!
3) if you could form a neighborhood with two other players on night one, who would you pick?
4) what is your level of spice tolerance? (this one is definitely just a fun red herring)

i look forward to your applications! i feel like my role is more antitown if i go about it privately. i'll reiterate that i can't vote on even days so prepare for some shitposts.

This makes me trust Skygazer because my role is equally kooky (I will not at this time explain why) so I suspect there was mod collusion on kookiness.

1. Hypothetically, it would depend on what my hypothetical role is, wouldn't it?
2. At this point, yes, as explained above.
3. You, as aformentioned, and Ranger (I guess!) as the only two semi-claimed roles and both whom I suspect have some level of wacky.
4. I don't eat enough spicy food to know because I only eat one meal a day so I only get 1/3 less chances to eat than most people

Why r u answering this?

directed to anix specifically? or is that a general ask on why people are answering skygazer's questions

[Cook]

also those are some interesting questions from skygazer

i'm thinking their role intersects on some of those fronts

actually it kinda sounds like a role i made a long time ago – the cult classic film director, who would flip a hood into a cult after a couple days

cult ≠ votestealing but y'know

[Cook]

hang on is votestealing +town or +scum as an ability

[Cook]

gotcha

[Cook]

i don’t like these hurt tags one bit and i’m gonna stop saying “oh you can have my night action” now

[Cook]

good morning town

[Cook]

what if someone had a post restriction requiring them to pocket another player

that’d be kinda fucked up huh

[Cook]

why do you all get interesting roles

the scum roles are so boring

???

somehow this is +town

[Cook]

why do you all get interesting roles

the scum roles are so boring

???

somehow this is +town

what by joking that I'm scum?

scum doesn’t joke about being scum unless they can afford it

[Cook]

what if there isn’t any post restrictions

[Cook]

i don’t think the listmods have THAT much malice in their hearts to force annoying post restrictions on people

[Cook]

i don’t think the listmods have THAT much malice in their hearts to force annoying post restrictions on people

then again i am also

yknow

(my lawyer has advised me not to say anything further to not incur a post restriction)

[Cook]

ooh i keep stealing pagetops

[Cook]

name 3 substantive thing anix has said

koba says this knowing that there is only 2 thing (joke)

[Cook]

i think he wanted a tldr

[Cook]

std koba buddying? might have to modify my viewpoint

[Cook]

dragoneater scum?

[Cook]

theta alpine is baiting scum into checking her role

[Cook]

(pgo)

[Cook]

I have the 'tism and am intentionally putting in an effort to not sound rude/condescending while still trying to get my point across.

noted

yippee

[Cook]

also i would prefer to just be called theta
i try to play rather differently across the two accounts

alrighty theta

[Cook]

std anix distancing?

[Cook]

reading boring
murder fun

SO TRUE

VOTE: Bingle
VOTE: AniX

[Cook]

oops typo

VOTE: AniX

content please

[Cook]

off the top of my head, here’s people i think have been making an impact and in what order

Koba
AniX
Alisae
Fenrir
DragonEater
Bingle
Ranger
Theta
CamelCasedSnivy
Ircher
KKFC

if i am missing your name you haven’t posted recently or i straight up forgot you existed

[Cook]

hoping i’m not some sort of hindrance to towncore

[Cook]

pedit that last post was a reply to this

I think Cook spiritually vibes w/ me

if anix mafia we got a towncore of StD, you, me, cook, and dragoneater ez game

[Cook]

i think if katykim posted more he’d be in the same place as me

[Cook]

maybe. that was also starting gate fluff.

idk he’s just not posting

[Cook]

also lmao i forgot to close my bold tags but i also don't rly care sry xyzzy

sometimes you just gotta shout

[Cook]

just quoting this it isn’t official

votecount 1.03

a stick, a stone, it's the end of the road

2 players voting for Ranger (Doctor Drew, Alisae)
2 players voting for AniX (DkKoba, Save The Dragons)
2 players voting for DkKoba (camelCasedSnivy, AniX)
1 player voting for Skygazer (Cook)
1 player voting for Ircher (KatyKimFanClub)
1 player voting for Doctor Drew (Ranger)
1 player voting for Alisae (Aureal)
1 player voting for camelCaseSnivy (Ircher)
1 player voting for Aureal (Skygazer)
1 player voting for Save The Dragons (Bingle)

4 players not voting (Random Nurse, JasonWazza, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to eliminate.

mod notes: Random Nurse has noted an ongoing Thursday through Sunday V/LA.

[Cook]

bringing it up for my reference

[Cook]

off the top of my head, here’s people i think have been making an impact and in what order

Koba
AniX
Alisae
Fenrir
DragonEater
Bingle
Ranger
Theta
CamelCasedSnivy
Ircher
KKFC

if i am missing your name you haven’t posted recently or i straight up forgot you existed

I see how it is....

you bring up a point

where IS everyone else

[Cook]

you’re RIGHT we need more silly hats

do you want a chef hat? if you want a chef hat i will make it for you

i will also probably be giving chef hats to everyone so yknow

[Cook]

I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol

Why? It's so easy.

pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenade

dangerous if associated with its target, useful if thrown at scum

[Cook]

pfft

bingle could be scum here

[Cook]

I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol

Why? It's so easy.

pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenade

You sound like all those people who told me not to put steel wool and batteries in the same pocket. But who else here can claim to have cast Fireball?

PFFFT HAHAHA

[Cook]

it’s illegal how funny you are

no scummy player should be cracking jokes they should be dying to the flaming sword of alisae

[Cook]

why aren't more people taking it

taking what

[Cook]

@Katy Ali plays fast and loose with the vibe reads. The trick is keeping em out of their own head and invested in the game long enough for their reads to be useful.

you shoulda put that in your PT tbh

[Cook]

@Katy Ali plays fast and loose with the vibe reads. The trick is keeping em out of their own head and invested in the game long enough for their reads to be useful.

Think I'm in a weird spot as a new player in a game w/ a lot of weird roles and really experienced players w/ entrenched playstyles this game.
I solemnly vow that I will read AniX/Koba/Bingle posts and come to a (at least one but no promises) opinion by EOD.

this post makes me think KKFC is in a similar place to where i was last game i was in — long absence, i guess that was a meta-based game? only difference is he’s not getting wagoned for no apparent reason and exed as a PR d2

lmao that game sucked ass

kkfc can be town for now

[Cook]

VOTE: nurse

flashwagon, im convinced for now bc of the commitment from anix but im still keeping a very close eye on the slot and it hasnt really moved a bit + i hated nurse's entrance post right there tbh tbh

i’ll bite. dunno if you’re gonna get much content from a lurker but that’s what a wagon’s for, right?

VOTE: Random Nurse

[Cook]

unrelatedly we did it town we managed to have more than 16 pages for the first 24 hours

nice

[Cook]

tbh the only other person i would want to wagon is ircher bc they were also in my ?? slot and i would like them to elaborate better


i hate being back in the spot of "idk fam" but also im still kinda shocked that it only has been 24 hours, i play mafia at the speed of light like a dummy

note to self if i ever get to be on a veiled committee mafia design board i'm going to make all of my roles have geriatric post restrictions in the hopes you rand one

that'd be funny as hell

[Cook]

what if he comes back with something good

[Cook]

koba are you also more confused about rn than before cause what he's saying is going in one ear and out the other tbh

[Cook]

good morning mafiascum!!

[Cook]

drew wagon is… a choice? little concerned on how fast it came together. scum lubricated the wheels no doubt

oh well, i will participate
VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Cook]

that's about where i'm at too?

[Cook]

ooh, pagetop

[Cook]

This is me not voting drew

how come?

[Cook]

also, welcome back to the thread!

[Cook]

rebel rebel, how could they know?

[Cook]

aureal defending drew?

let's see what drew has to say first

[Cook]

cannot decide if drewposting is +town or -town

i think +town

drew can be town

[Cook]

I dunno what I'm expecting but you don't really take many stances

I personally would like more before I consider moving my vote

directed to me?

[Cook]

cannot decide if drewposting is +town or -town

i think +town

drew can be town

why did you vote in the first place ?

bandwagoning

i find wagons are more effective the more people are on them

[Cook]

i’m bored of this wagon

UNVOTE: drew

[Cook]

I dunno what I'm expecting but you don't really take many stances

I personally would like more before I consider moving my vote

directed to me?

To drew

reason i ask is i feel i have milquetoast takes compared to people like koba and nurse and ranger and anix

[Cook]

how do i keep sniping pagetops holy crap

[Cook]

@alisae lmk thoughts if you think I'm right about the theater stuff if u know what I'm seeing in the last few pages

i wanna join this mindmeld

[Cook]

how do i keep sniping pagetops holy crap

this man is a pagetop vigilante i wouldnt be suprised if this guy has some powers from getting pagetops

i am none of those things

[Cook]

at this rate i wish i could change my role to do that but yknow

[Cook]

ircher do you have a scumcase for bingle for any particular reason

[Cook]

the m and m’s activate koba’s dayvig ability which they can only use against members of their own faction

[Cook]

or something

[Cook]

ok im the most impatient person of all time but i think cook and drew are both mafia together

also feel weird abt how alisae is treating drew but thats a future koba problem

std/ranger/bingle/dragoneater/random nurse/theta are all slots i think i am comfortable just saying are town atp (bingle is giving me his kinda weird town playstyle vibes like i kinda had insight into his thought process during TM and while i disagree with the process sometimes I feel I understand it)

forgive me and i suppose that i can’t really comment on it but i really don’t see how me/drew is a pairing? i understand that my progression has left something to be desired and it’s easy to try to pull association off of me based on which wagons i’ve cared about.

still don’t see me-drew.

[Cook]

be back in 30

[Cook]

ok im the most impatient person of all time but i think cook and drew are both mafia together

also feel weird abt how alisae is treating drew but thats a future koba problem

std/ranger/bingle/dragoneater/random nurse/theta are all slots i think i am comfortable just saying are town atp (bingle is giving me his kinda weird town playstyle vibes like i kinda had insight into his thought process during TM and while i disagree with the process sometimes I feel I understand it)

forgive me and i suppose that i can’t really comment on it but i really don’t see how me/drew is a pairing? i understand that my progression has left something to be desired and it’s easy to try to pull association off of me based on which wagons i’ve cared about.

still don’t see me-drew.

Didn't you just explain it in this very post? You hopped onto Drew then got cold feet and said Drew was town. You then waited an hour before actually hopping off.

hardly an excuse though i was a little busy working at the time

[Cook]

what do you want me to do koba ircher et al.

go back in time and unvote Drew faster?

[Cook]

great glad we had this talk sorry for being so confrontational

gonna shower and think about this game

[Cook]

maybe knock back a couple of bingle's shower beers there's still like half a six pack in here

[Cook]

bc ya if u are town, arguing about this point is just circular bc the town explaination is "yeah i just felt like doing it like that" kinda deal where u cant really get a decisive good answer

kinda like why i stopped interrogating anix bc it was pointless to pursue the point when we were at an impasse and theres 15 other slots to go thru to gain info


kinda like learned recently that overfocus on stuff can be very toxic to the gamestate and -ev as hell and that u gotta step back often and let the game play out more if a push is getting to circular logic. either kill the slot or move onto looking at other stuff etc.

i think a lot of us get trapped into that mindset where if we scumread someone we have to be on them like glue and keep questioning them and all that and then we forget we are just making 1 person need to meet way higher standards than everyone else and it just is kinda no good etc.

like what we did collectively was have like 4 wagons and more info than a lot of full D1s in games

yeah tbh this just

feels

so much more productive even compared to my last game

i mean last game was an absolute crapshoot of a game. you had the entire scumteam straight up asking for town vibes d1 and they managed to out every town PR day one

shit was wild

[Cook]

i mean last game was an absolute crapshoot of a game. you had the entire scumteam straight up asking for town vibes d1 and they managed to out every town PR day one

Is asking for town vibes figurative here?

i am specifically staring at italiano from that game

truly impressive you managed to pin the d2 lim to me and keep it off of italiano lmao

[Cook]

ooh, another pagetop!

[Cook]

drew's last game was fire more fire, right?

[Cook]

actually lemme read snivy

[Cook]

ok cook

kkfc is probably town but that's prolly because I've never seen them play scum

i've seen him play scum. i was on the wrong end of him playing scum.

[Cook]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

feigning outrage

[Cook]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

feigning outrage

Are you saying that I am feigning outrage? I wasn't even trying to sound outraged, I was saying this with a playful tone.

nah i was feigning outrage in the least energy-consuming way

i'm

really tired

[Cook]

thank you

[Cook]

man, i

had

that pagetop waiting for me.

can we modify how many posts there are to a page i wanted that one lol

[Cook]

bingle is the new cook

when should

i

be the new cook

idk can you cook

[Cook]

hmm that’s only about half of who i am…

[Cook]

i wanna vote ircher but my vote rn is probably better

do you have a case for ircher?

[Cook]

then why do you want to vote ircher

[Cook]

You guys really don't understand why I voted Alisae?

i don't understand it, no

[Cook]

you're making me want to read alisae

[Cook]

oh right and on that note i need to type up my thoughts on snivy

[Cook]

vibes

lmao

[Cook]

cannot tell if that’s a joke

[Cook]

if i could literally dayvig whoever i wanted this game would be OVER

who would you dayvig then

[Cook]

if i could literally dayvig whoever i wanted this game would be OVER

who would you dayvig then

when i say the game is over i never said town win

id probably vig both anix and koba and see from there

if anix is scum, who is scum with anix?
what about if koba is scum?

[Cook]

you could practically quotewall people doing that across the site like some people do when rereading games lmao there's so many

[Cook]

aGAIN i lose out on a pagetop

[Cook]

welcome back ranger

sorry about the 600 post catchup

i hope things are more stable for y'all now

[Cook]

theta discouraging massclaim is modifying my viewpoint of her

VOTE: Theta

let’s see something outta this slot

[Cook]

let me explain a bit using multi quote on the iso

[Cook]

first off. fuck internet. i lost my entire scumcase. i blame zor.

theta has not produced content outside of the context of her role, which she seems to be alluding a lot to despite by her admission it being unable to clear anyone or be generally positive utility

i should also mention that no
my role does not let me use an ability as a cop based on if people claim something happened to them or not
nor do i directly get information from using the ability either to use the ability as a cop

i have the desperate modifier though is what i will say
just on an ability where it just
is very much negative utility to be desperate
i can think of one use case where it is positive utility to be desperate with this ability and that use case is preserved if i get turned into a miller so
i mean other then being able to use the power on ranger but honestly being able to beneficially use this ability on more then one person would be nice

why do you care about being a miller. what sort of disloyal dayvig power do you get. i don’t know why we’re letting her get away with coasting like this.

there are no rules on any mechanic not existing except for any factions beyond town and mafia
post restrictions are thus possible
however if we assume each of the listmods went with a theme and only one of them did post restrictions
that is still only a max of four post restriction roles if all of them got picked which is not a massive amount

and then there is me with effectively vanilla town unless i get turned into a miller somehow
like really
even if i am somehow recruited by scum my ability continues to not really be useful for my wincon in that event
so i do think there are a few negative utility roles out there probably

again, here’s theta not offering anything. multiple people have softed negative utility. here you are making a loose claim because you saw an opportunity to get free cred by claiming neg utility role.

there is a role besides something giving me miller that would also make my ability very interesting and useful actually
but i will have to wait and see if that role exists

oh

i thought of a second role that would make my ability useful
hmm

theta, again, not producing content, commenting about her role. this does not advance gamestate. unless she’s got like something that’s gonna kill scum and she claims it i’m gonna push for a theta kill.

it is true that we are in a nonreviewed game

we can consider a massclaim day 1 as there is a potential for a gamebreaking strategy for town

my role would not be part of it but

i think i would advocate for a mass softclaim right now and if we feel like we might have the potential to break the game from that then we can continue into a full claim

i will state again that i do not believe my ability would contribute to a gamebreaking combination though
it is more of insurance at best assuming i could actually use it on town

ranger pocket much? “ooh look here’s someone posting like strong town lemme get behind her and hope nobody figures out” hmm.

Hey if we're considering mass claiming, how about mass claiming the color of our role PM?

I do not think it's ethical to openly talk about mod communication.

directly quoting is a no-no

talking about formatting i think is fine especially in a game like this where it might actually be useful and should also be expected i think to be variable within a single alignment and thus not usable as a direct alignment check
but it does indicate something else

admittedly this is also probably the center of a towncase for theta but. that’s boring. i think theta knows about more role pms than her own and that’s where this is coming from. or on the townside it’s actually trying to be helpful. i think you know what my stance is.

wait do i have distinct town and scum metas as theta
cause that would be news to me

on the one hand i do agree this seems like scum drew
then again anix and std doing their spat might have been keeping people from getting engaged

lukewarm take and a left field take respectively. the town does not generally seem to like drew. theta wants to do townie things to get townread. easy take.

i think std-anix is t/t. nothing has spoken to me otherwise. i think this is trying to point to a different pair to save scumbuddies tbh

just bringing up a point

honestly i am fine being limmed given my role is not exactly useful without external factors coming into play

and even then its usefulness is somewhat limited i think

this is something i just straight up don’t like. it’s scummy to just give up and say “yeah whatever lim me it’s okay :pleading_face:”. i used to be a victim of this impression that i shouldn’t care about getting limmed if i’m “really” town. the opposite is true. if you are town,

do not lie down.

fight fight fight. scum sense your weakness and are pushing for your mislim. it’s a free kill for them and they get a turn to aim the cannon right afterwards.

so yeah. theta has contributed nothing and pretends to have content by referring to a role that she admits has low utility.

[Cook]

oh yeah thanks xyzzy

[Cook]

However I still have a very big question for you, Ms. Pirate Cookie Chef.

this is something i just straight up don’t like. it’s scummy to just give up and say “yeah whatever lim me it’s okay :pleading_face:”. i used to be a victim of this impression that i shouldn’t care about getting limmed if i’m “really” town. the opposite is true. if you are town, do not lie down.
fight fight fight. scum sense your weakness and are pushing for your mislim. it’s a free kill for them and they get a turn to aim the cannon right afterwards.

How do you reconciliate this with your townread on AniX, which has openly asked to be limmed multiple times?

i mean i don’t particularly

like

that part but that’s a different point.

anix is asking for mech reasons. theta is fine with it because her role just “doesn’t matter”. see the difference?

[Cook]

even a VT is a voice and a vote

[Cook]

are you suggesting we modify our strategy

[Cook]

to me?

[Cook]

your strat gets weaker the longer we wait

[Cook]

my cursory glance says theta and de70 are the holdouts on a massclaim

pedit: bingle what are your thoughts on a massclaim

[Cook]

Meanwhile, I wanted to say I legitimately believe at this point a truthful massclaim would likely break the game in favor of the town.

I firmly believe that a truthfull massclaim would be a crapshoot and would actually just exacerbate whatever the mechanical advantage already is, which I don't think is necessarily an advantage in town's favor. I'm also not opposed to massclaim.

last i heard from you was this

has that changed?

[Cook]

okay okay okay fine

i'll just wait for massclaim then

[Cook]

i have a feeling massclaim will sort out the wheat from the chaff

[Cook]

It's a safe take which is not the same.

I mean, that read is both, actually. It's safe in that scumreading a weird player isn't usually unpopular and it's easy in that there's no real attempt to look at why AniX was doing the things they were doing. Weird -> Scum is an easy take that doesn't take any thought or analysis and is therefore incredibly easy for scum to make. More nuanced reads like "AniX is moonlogicking that the role they have is indicative of every role in the game and thus probably doesn't come from a place of extra information" is less likely to occur to scum because they're straight up not trying to figure out people's alignments or perspectives.

now the question comes is that your read on anix

[Cook]

welcome back anix

[Cook]

now the question comes is that your read on anix

My read on AniX is that the whole "Triggered role" thing is a tinfoil, but it's an unlikely tinfoil for scum to arrive at, yes. I also think the friction between Koba and AniX is a playstyle one, not an AI one and that the push on AniX is scum cheerlead if not outright lead.

so who does that make scum?

[Cook]

I thought STD, but that's fairly incompatible with snivy, I think. Koba/Ali as a pair could make sense? Koba is a strong enough buddy to keep Ali happy and invested as scum, but I'm not really sold there. Youscum seems to be the pet read of everyone and their mothers, which is kind of interesting. It seems like everyone is trying to scumread you as an association with another player, and I should probably check if that's real or just me seeing the one set of trying to link you and Drew and thinking it's more prevalent than it is.

As far as cheerleaders, I haven't really taken the time to look into it.

If scum is pushing AniX, who do you think is doing so?

If scum isn't pushing AniX, why aren't they?

i haven't been noticing much of an anix push at all? i know i kinda played up theta's redirect in my scumcase against her but like

i don't see anyone pushing anix right now

[Cook]

really really left field observation:

std, ircher, and ranger have not interacted with each other at all

[Cook]

i mean

i can prove my claim very easily once we get a scum flip

sucks to whoever it is and i do not imagine they would say much but

if i get turned into miller i can do it much sooner potentially
i can trigger the ability during day even so

hang on

no that's not how desperate works

[Cook]

Quoth the Wiki

Your night actions will be blocked if used on players who appear to a Cop as belonging to the same faction as you.

players who appear to a Cop

same faction as you

lmao you can only treestump mafia and millers

you really are a pointless role

[Cook]

Quoth the Wiki

Your night actions will be blocked if used on players who appear to a Cop as belonging to the same faction as you.

players who appear to a Cop

same faction as you

lmao you can only treestump mafia and millers

you really are a pointless role

i know this why do you think i have been asking to be turned into a miller

that wouldn't help you

if your faction is town (if you were blue then why claim this)...

"players who appear to a Cop" does not imply that you appear to be the same faction as the player in question

[Cook]

it only implies that your

target

must appear to be the same faction

so

[Cook]

if you are

town

, then you can only get people who look like

mafia

to a cop
if you are

mafia

, then you can only get people who look like

town

to a cop

[Cook]

so in effect your role can only be proven if there are millers

or if scum is willing to cooperate to confirm you

[Cook]

ranger having just the right role for that is pretty convenient but there's virtually no reason to scumread ranger

[Cook]

does someone want to scumcase ranger

i feel like i'm about to have my arms cut off by a glowing orange sword by suggesting that...

pedit pagetop THIEF

[Cook]

the description of my role made it fairly clear that being a miller would flip it around though

that plus bingles role make me think there might be such a role that can give miller in the game
or at least was proposed

after the game

i'm curious what your pm looks like

not now

i do not want modkills

[Cook]

THE CURSE OF THE ELEVENTH HOUR

IT KEEPS SHOWING UP

HOW

[Cook]

huh

[Cook]

@Ranger

- Do you think there are roles that would benefit from being hidden and not claimed d1 in this game? Additionally, do you think the benefits of massclaim outweigh the benefits of those roles staying hidden?

Yes to both.

There’s going to be roles which get more value hidden. Preventing early kills, allowing gambits, potentially turning soft guilties into hard, increasing success rate, etc.

I believe the benefits of massage outweigh the downsides of outing them.

Particularly as massclaim has been started already.

Whether you approve or not, once a massclaim is started, it must be finished. A half-complete massclaim is

tremendously

+scum. Because we started, we must finish, or else we get none of the benefits and get all the downsides.

ranger hiding the perfect fakeclaim in her scum pt

[Cook]

i'm a modifier. i can target someone at night to give them a random modifier, which has been guaranteed to me to be a negative on their ability to successfully target people without consequences. i know what modifier i assign after i assign it, but not before.

[Cook]

Does Doomed Treestump have a stat block?

stat block?

[Cook]

i'm a modifier. i can target someone at night to give them a random modifier, which has been guaranteed to me to be a negative on their ability to successfully target people without consequences. i know what modifier i assign after i assign it, but not before.

hmmm potentially able to give me what i need to be useful then

true. i see no reason for me not to call my shots, after all

It's Only Negative Utility If I Hit Town With It!

[Cook]

pagetop

[Cook]

FINALLY

[Cook]

are you suggesting a ranger push, drew

[Cook]

are you suggesting a ranger push, drew

I am.

I just know she likes to get a bit cheeky as town, she isn't dumb by any stretch......but struggle to find the towny angle she has going on here.

VOTE: Ranger

But we should talk about this more in the PT Cook.

if you've got the hood i'll bring the cookies

do you want a chef hat

[Cook]

yeah koba is pretty much town in my book

[Cook]

typically you need a counterbalancing thing for that

[Cook]

maybe that factor's in the unclaimed roles

[Cook]

have fun

[Cook]

PAGETOP WOOOOOOO

[Cook]

for the record as much as it'd be funny if it did my role does not include any element about pagetops

[Cook]

still waiting on this so called great claim from ranger

[Cook]

i'm a hotelier

each night i can neighborize 2 people, but only for the night

that tracks with the other ability i forget who had it

[Cook]

still waiting on this so called great claim from ranger

I'll claim at first available point. I’m V/LA every Sunday - Monday for work normally. Throw in a friend in need plus wedding prep, and I’m extra busy rn.

I

should

have the desktop access and time tomorrow. If not, then the soonest I’ll have both is Wednesday, as I’ve no free access on this specific Tuesday.

I’ll say right now: my role

directly

counters yours, and my Miller is an active, not passive. While I’ve reasons beyond roles for suspecting both of you, this is a contributing factor in both my Cook and Theta Alpine suspicion.

really convenient that you just so happen to have a role that counters my role

[Cook]

also the lack of bringing forward anything isn't helping your case either ranger. you say massclaim and then don't lead the massclaim. ain't exactly exonerating

better have something good tomorrow

[Cook]

Idk if the roleclaiming is done but soon we can try to bucket all the roles right?

ranger's a holdout

[Cook]

VOTE: Ranger cause theta just isn't worth limming claimwise

[Cook]

im also just bored of wagoning theta lmao

[Cook]

VOTE: dkkoba

omgus

[Cook]

UNVOTE:

[Cook]

short version on why i unvoted is i hate getting shit on in mafia

the long version will sound a lot like a rant in my last game.

[Cook]

fortunately i haven't had my coffee yet so i'll spare you from it koba

[Cook]

DEADLY typo

[Cook]

if ranger doesnt have a good ass for not claiming ill sheep

I assure you, my ass is exceptional~
It alone justifies not claiming.

To be more serious, I don’t have an exceptionally good reason for not fullclaiming quickly. I’ve a

reason

, yet I doubt it meets your criteria of good.

Simply put, I believed scum would tailor their claims around my role to create better claims if I revealed too soon; I believed keeping the details hidden could potentially entrap scum.

still not impressed tbh

[Cook]

why would i pick a fake claim with a very public effect like i did

it would only ever work if going for a perfect scumgame in this case

theta scumslip?!?!

but no

i had had that thought. i think that your role could be scummy but the desperate part is too...

specific

to me

[Cook]

again waiting on ranger and anix to claim

[Cook]

we do also need some of the lurkers to show up and claim i think


and jasonwazza to get replaced at this point probably

so true

[Cook]

again waiting on ranger and anix to claim

Give it until tomorrow to see if limming me has any legs/missing players claim so everyone is locked in, but yeah it is not looking good for My Plan.

gonna guess you're also a death miller like koba?

[Cook]

well then there goes that theory

[Cook]

well

i do have a limit to when i can use it
i have 24 hours from a death announcement to use it on the person that died or i lose the chance to

so can you use it during night? how does it work with a flip like that

[Cook]

also, welcome political clout!

[Cook]

gotcha

[Cook]

ranger and koba are on the same team

[Cook]

beyond that it seems like drew is a good kill

also still waiting on Clout to post

[Cook]

I also think that when u start lying about meta like that to make a point its not from a town POV

Almost like the word to describe it is...

MENDACIOUS!

[Cook]

imagine clout claims they can dayvig people who said disginenugous

[Cook]

aw where did everyone go

[Cook]

ranger and koba are on the same team

beyond that it seems like drew is a good kill

also still waiting on Clout to post

This is a weird couple of posts though.

I am the good kill, but Koba and Ranger are on the same team.

Usually when you say two players are on the same team, you mean they are buddies......if you thought they were both town, you would say they were both town.

Do you know they are both town Cook?

Pre Edit: What lie about Rangers meta?

sorry for not making that clearer

if they are town they are town together (more likely case)

if they are scum they are scum together

not helpful to be pedantic about wording

it comes off as shallow in an untrustworthy manner. you might also call that… everybody say it with me now…

[Cook]

that’s your cue to say disinengulus

[Cook]

not sure if im being egged on in a tvt again by cook

i don’t understand do you mind explaining? (genuine)

[Cook]

not sure if im being egged on in a tvt again by cook

i don’t understand do you mind explaining? (genuine)

the first time we ever played you egged on a 1v1 with me and esooa when u were scum(unfortunate for you, it ended up making me turn on you for a bit)
Subject: Mini Normal 2190 | Baby Animals | Game Over

GOOD MORNING, MAFIASCUM! WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PRIZE BOUT BOILING ON MNTV – AND IT'S BETWEEN TWO CHAMPION FIGHTERS

IN THE RED CORNER, WE HAVE

Dk

Ko

b

a

!

AAAND IN THE BLUE CORNER, WE HAVE

ESOOA!

THIS ONE'S GONNA BE INTERESTING, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES!

OUR REF, ANDRESVMB IS RUNNING OUT OF THE RING, AND *bell dings twice* THE FIGHT BEGINS!

I'm still voting u buddy

oh god i remember that game

i guess i kinda predicted the MSWF huh

[Cook]

anyhow that wasn't my intention koba

[Cook]

I don't know why I said paranoid there, I mean like it's a long shot.

true

I don't know why I said paranoid there, I mean like it's a long shot.

true

[Cook]

icon

[Cook]

arent you rauths alt what

i believe theta explained it somewhere

[Cook]

Alright, I think I should probably claim now:

I have three one-shot abilities, each of which trigger based on how I vote the previous day:
If I do not vote and do not explain, give notice of, or highlight I am not voting, the following night I can make any action taken by my chosen player that would occur that night happen the next night. This is the subjective mod judgment I was talking about, because what counts as acknowledging is not an objective standard (it even has a mod note to that effect). This is also why I said "we should vote STD" but never actually voted and never recognized anyone who replied to me to say I didn't actually vote.

If I vote for a lot of people (and each vote was on each person for an entire 24 hours), I can choose a player (who has to be someone I voted for) and see who they targeted at night.

If I vote for one person in my first post and never remove my vote and the day lasts for 72 hours, I can vigkill that person that night.

does it have to last exactly 72 hours or would, say, this day count as 72 hours

[Cook]

What are you basing this on?

vibes

also the two of them can’t and don’t SR each other, along with koba tunneling drew after he criticized ranger

if they are scum they are scum together. if they are town they are town together.