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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:29 am

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Hello everyone

Who's looking forward to radioactive oblivion?
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:31 am

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In post 9, marcistar wrote:
In post 8, Meuh wrote: Good morning! Yay nukes :)
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Post Post #24 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:21 am

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Does Skygazer have advanced missile technology?!
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Post Post #60 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:13 am

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In post 48, Gamma Emerald wrote: It just emotional
Altho I also don’t get why T3 thinks you’re scum enough to nuke you here
What about Roden?
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Post Post #88 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:30 am

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Inflicting slow and steady annihilation is indeed the most innocent way to do it.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:32 am

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In post 72, Cephrir wrote: That's fair since marci looks town if anything
Did marci look town when T3 launched the nuke though?
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Post Post #97 (isolation #6) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:35 am

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In post 70, Gamma Emerald wrote: T3 is the one who said he scumread Marci, roden’s I am pretty sure was full random
I will assume T3 meant what he said until he specifies otherwise
I don't think this is the face of someone who doesn't carefully consider every decision that could cause horrible obliteration:
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But maybe I'm wrong.

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Post Post #98 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:35 am

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In post 94, Chell wrote: alright that is one too many scum motivated posts

nuke: unowen
Obv scum.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:38 am

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Well idk if they actually are, but I don't think that my posts look very scum motivated at all so it's not a great start.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:39 am

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My nuke only will only be launched at the certainly wicked, for I have every confidence that it will succeed in destroying its target.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:40 am

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In post 108, Chell wrote: well of course they don't look very scum motivated

scum don't make posts to look scum motivated

they just are scum motivated :)
Then why would you think they are scum motivated if they don't look it hmmm????
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Post Post #121 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:43 am

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In post 115, Chell wrote: because they are

i have noticed you still haven't nuked me back
No they aren't.

Why would I nuke you back yet?
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Post Post #129 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:48 am

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In post 125, Chell wrote: there's literally no downside

you can always abort if you change your mind

you get reactions

and you get closer to flipping me if you don't change your mind

the only downside is if you are scum and afraid that if you start nuking people that people are gonna take that as a sign of aggression and nuke you back
If I abort I lose my nuke for a week.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:53 am

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In post 131, Chell wrote: what upgrades did you research unowen
I haven't upgraded yet.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:56 am

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because I'm not sure if I can double upgrade the same stat
probably not, but it's not explicit that I see
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Post Post #136 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:58 am

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Besides, a responsible nuke owner takes time to consider every decision thoroughly.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #16) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:00 am

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Yeah exactly.
What did you get from those questions?
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Post Post #150 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:15 am

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In post 142, Chell wrote: here's the thing unowen, you might just be a cautious person who doesn't want to hit buttons without thinking through the ramifications of every potential consequence

but "responsible nuke owner" is also a very convenient position for scum to take up

like scum usually don't have to be worried about being town read or not pissing off every single slot in the game

being conservative and lethal with your nukes is kind of a great way to play against that

so i mean it might be true that you are a special kind of person who has enough discipline to not immediately go for the rush of dopamine that comes from sending your upgrades in or launching a nuke

but i think on average it makes you greater than rand scum
Excuse me, I am very much the person who wants to hit buttons without thinking through every potential consequence.

But there is no dopamine rush to sending a nuke without the sense of righteousness and conviction about it. And don't see it on upgrades, if I knew for certain that I couldn't double up on a stat I would have sent them in already but even then it would hardly be comparable to trying to turn someone to nuclear ash.

None of this why you nuked me in the first place though?
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Post Post #155 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:17 am

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In post 154, Chell wrote: i nuked you in the first place because you were approaching the game in a scummy way
How so?
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Post Post #164 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:21 am

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In post 157, Chell wrote: ok but have you chosen your upgrades now?
I have indeed
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Post Post #166 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:24 am

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oh ok
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Post Post #173 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:33 am

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In post 171, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 107, UNOwen wrote: My nuke only will only be launched at the certainly wicked, for I have every confidence that it will succeed in destroying its target.
What?
My only fingers only will only make only typos only sometimes only.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:38 am

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Yeah I did ask Pooky, but hadn't received a response yet.
In post 175, Gamma Emerald wrote: I actually didn’t notice that
I was just confused at you saying your attack would strike true?
Oh then nevermind the snark. My attack will strike true because I only produce the best nuclear weapons, so it's unthinkable that I could launch a dud.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:27 am

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In post 179, Gamma Emerald wrote: Understandable, I wish you the best, comrade.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:28 am

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See now I think Chell is probably town
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Post Post #246 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:29 am

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In post 212, T3 wrote: What in particular? I liked Chell’s progression from to but it’s definitely not unfakeable and I’d guess that it’s well within Chell’s scumrange too.
What's good about that progression?
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Post Post #256 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:37 am

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See now my reason for thinking Chell is probably town is no longer true, but I do agree with her point against Andante.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #27) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:40 am

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In post 258, Andante wrote: but see, does that point still stand cause this was my entrance to the game? I don't do rvs. I feel like you don't truly believe in what chell said
Every game I've ever played with you get super confident super quickly.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:42 am

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Town every time
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Post Post #407 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:52 am

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In post 320, Chell wrote: notice how andante avoided nuking her purported strong scum read in UNOwen and instead opted for Gamma who has already used at least one nuke this phase
Noticed.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #30) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:55 am

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In post 389, T3 wrote: It seemed like genuine scumhunting, especially this early in the game
What about Chell ignoring my answer and going for a zinger seems like genuine scumhunting?
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Post Post #432 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:59 am

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In post 400, Ircher wrote: If that's the reason, couldn't you have just asked the mod?
Good question.
In post 400, Ircher wrote:
In post 143, SirCakez wrote: Chell looks like she's trying too hard, scummy imo
Would be voting there if I could
Disagree. Her points are on point.
Which points?
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Post Post #439 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:01 pm

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In post 424, Bell wrote: Victimization count: #1.
Now you're victimizing me!
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Post Post #644 (isolation #33) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:22 am

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Skygazer missile engineering is shoddy, no surprise at all.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #34) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:25 am

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In post 624, Roden wrote: I engaged with Marci and gave my reason for nuking her, wtf are you talking about
No you didn’t?
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Post Post #658 (isolation #35) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:03 am

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In post 655, Gamma Emerald wrote: Skygazer stocks are declining
Roden stocks looking hopeful?
Other way around.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #36) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:18 am

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In post 661, Bell wrote: Say more plz
About Sky/Roden or just in general?
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Post Post #669 (isolation #37) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:28 am

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In post 666, Bell wrote: General
Well the weather is fairly nice today where I am. There’s a nuclear missile heading this way but I won’t let that spoil the sunshine.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #38) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:40 am

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In post 672, Skygazer wrote: i would actually encourage everyone to invest in mirv because it seems like it'd be... a blast...
MIRV CEO right here, don’t trust them!

Although I agree that there’s nothing scummy about developing that particular bit of tech.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #39) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:55 am

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In post 681, Bell wrote: @unowen, funny but my request stands.
Any thoughts I feel are worth posting I’ll post myself and at this stage that isn’t too many.

So if you want to hear my opinion on something that I haven’t mentioned or not gone into then you’ll have to be specific.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:28 am

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In post 683, Bell wrote: Yes, I noticed that lack.
Current events in thread.
I think what you describe as lack is actually efficiency.

Roden is squirrely and don't get the town reads, Sky is pure, gob and StD are memeing and not real, T3 expanding on his thoughts looks unnatural but maybe that's how he plays now I'm not sure, you are around.

What do you think of Chell?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:25 am

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In post 689, Bell wrote: Up and down. It’s hard when someone is being performative. There’s a fine line between scum acting like a block head and town acting like a block head with very different motivations behind their performance.

They could be trying to push out of RVS, but there are so many variables and motivations combined or reduced that I don’t want to list them all rn.
Hmm yes very true. Could be A, could be B, probably isn't C but maybe. Don't worry though, I will solve this difficult quandary with sciency goodness!

Nuke: Chell
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Post Post #693 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:28 am

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the only winning move is not to play...
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Post Post #695 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:31 am

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In post 694, Chell wrote: what made you decide to nuke me now, unowen
I was hoping to nuke you while you were around but you didn't show up.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:32 am

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But clearly I was wrong and you were here all along
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Post Post #699 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:33 am

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lol you think it's weird that I don't wait a week when I may be a pile of ash in the next couple of hours?
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Post Post #703 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:38 am

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I don't care enough to exit a nuke game with an unlaunched nuke, that would just be embarrassing

There was a chance you were just being provocative in which case the counter nuke would've been a waste
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Post Post #709 (isolation #47) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:46 am

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In post 248, Chell wrote: t3 kinda feels like he just picked something completely random out of my iso to say he liked
In post 320, Chell wrote: notice how andante avoided nuking her purported strong scum read in UNOwen and instead opted for Gamma who has already used at least one nuke this phase
These are some extremely moustache-twirly posts here btw folks.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #48) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:51 am

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In post 709, UNOwen wrote:
In post 248, Chell wrote: t3 kinda feels like he just picked something completely random out of my iso to say he liked
In post 320, Chell wrote: notice how andante avoided nuking her purported strong scum read in UNOwen and instead opted for Gamma who has already used at least one nuke this phase
These are some extremely moustache-twirly posts here btw folks.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #49) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:52 am

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Maybe Norwegian is sketchy too actually
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Post Post #722 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:55 am

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In post 720, Chell wrote: why is norwegian sketchy
meh vibes generally and some bad chatter with you
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Post Post #732 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:05 am

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In post 723, Chell wrote: what about the chatter was bad? it seemed like he got kinda frustrated with me which im surprised you see as potentially SvS

is there anyone else you think is independently scummy outside of me?
Norwegian's frustration felt muted, I think that coupled with the town read on you can easily be scum doing some safe distancing

Roden I suppose
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Post Post #733 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:06 am

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In post 726, Cephrir wrote: Like bro what those are super normal and in fact contain solving idgi
Nah they are angling to get me to nuke either T3 or Andante instead of doing the obvious retaliation attack.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:11 am

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In post 737, Chell wrote: yes i have definitely been trying very hard to get you to nuke people other than me

there's no way you actually believe this
Yeah, yeah. If you are convinced I am scum to the point that you just start being trolly, why make those posts from the perspective that I am town?
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Post Post #744 (isolation #54) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:13 am

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In post 320, Chell wrote: notice how andante avoided nuking her purported strong scum read in UNOwen and instead opted for Gamma who has already used at least one nuke this phase
The implication here is that Andante didn't nuke me because she's afraid I would have just nuked her back - which might seem reasonable since I had said that I did have suspicion. But obviously that makes no sense if Chell thinks I'm scum, in which case the reason Andante scum wouldn't nuke me is because I'm her buddy!
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Post Post #745 (isolation #55) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:14 am

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In post 246, UNOwen wrote:
In post 212, T3 wrote: What in particular? I liked Chell’s progression from to but it’s definitely not unfakeable and I’d guess that it’s well within Chell’s scumrange too.
What's good about that progression?
In post 248, Chell wrote: t3 kinda feels like he just picked something completely random out of my iso to say he liked
You posted this straight after I posted and agreeing with the thrust of my question how is that not directed at me?
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Post Post #746 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:16 am

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In post 742, Chell wrote: which posts? the ones i am currently making?

im trying to get you to either spew your partners or spew other slots town or spew yourself enough town that i decide aborting is a better option

if you're talking about the ones you keep quoting as mustache twirling... they weren't even directed at you?? i was just stating thoughts into the thread
The way earlier posts when I asked you to justify how my approach was scum motivated.

But for the posts now - why only start trying to get me to spew now that I've sent a nuke your way? Bit convenient...
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Post Post #750 (isolation #57) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:20 am

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In post 747, Cephrir wrote: Yes if you make up a motivation that her post doesn't say then another possible motivation will not fit with it

I think I've seen enough
???
How does that even relate to the point?
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Post Post #752 (isolation #58) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:24 am

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In post 749, Chell wrote: ok, i see that now

still don't understand why you think i would taunt you and try to get you to nuke me but also be like subtly trying to angle you into nuking elsewhere
Yeah, I know it's not perfect. I'm not sure. Maybe you decided that I was too play it safe to actually nuke you back and by taunting me you'd make me more likely to just lump you into the "overconfident towny" bucket.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #59) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:26 am

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In post 751, Chell wrote: im sorry what does this do for me

do you think my tunneling you extra hard is a ploy to get you to abort your nuke
Well from your POV engaging with me is more likely to get me to abort than doing absolutely nothing, so yes.

Again if you cared about my alignment/potentially outing partners why wait until I'd launched a nuke at you to start prodding? Could be you were holding out hope I'd shoot T3/Andante someone else and didn't want to shift my attention.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #60) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:28 am

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In post 753, Cephrir wrote: Why can't the primary implication of that post be that andante is scum with you rather than what you said
Because within that post is the implication that Andante nuked Gamma because she was unlikely to nuke back (or at least only send a low probability nuke back) rather than because she's town.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #61) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:40 am

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In post 762, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I wasn't even all that frustrated in the first place. Why are you assuming how i feel and then making a scumread out of it?
Making judgements on whether the tone of the post is faked or not is part of the game.
But I wasn't meaning to say you were secretly more frustrated, I mean that your posts looked like they were trying to show a frustration with Chell that wasn't actually there.
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Post Post #791 (isolation #62) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:05 am

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In post 776, Cephrir wrote:
In post 757, UNOwen wrote:
In post 753, Cephrir wrote: Why can't the primary implication of that post be that andante is scum with you rather than what you said
Because within that post is the implication that Andante nuked Gamma because she was unlikely to nuke back (or at least only send a low probability nuke back) rather than because she's town.
why can't we have both?
I think the emphasis would be different if so. Like if Chell wants to say "look Andante is dodging nuking her scum buddy" then the stuff about Gamma not using her nuke yet is beside the point. And yes it could be that Chell is making a general call out of Andante being sus in whatever scenario but that doesn't track with her claimed confidence that I'm scum.

To me it reads like a call out for me specifically to notice that Andante had avoided nuking me because she was worried I'd strike back - and that I would then reach the conclusion Andante is scum and I should nuke her. Maybe that's just my perspective but that was the second instance of Chell backing up a suspicion I'd stated so taken together it looks manipulative.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #63) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:07 am

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sorry but you should have been taught in school that everything revolves around me
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Post Post #798 (isolation #64) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:10 am

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In post 794, Cephrir wrote: i guess you would rather believe chell is a 12D chess player than consider for a moment that she could be town.

i think that is because you're scum

next
I've certainly considered that she could be town

Then I pressed the big "OBLITERATE" button anyway
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Post Post #805 (isolation #65) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:14 am

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In post 801, Chell wrote: hey i can be a 12D chess player and be town
True, because potentially I can be right about the moustache twirling but you were doing it for ridiculous town game playing instead.

Probably not though.
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Post Post #814 (isolation #66) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:17 am

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In post 806, Gamma Emerald wrote: Why do you think it’s targeted at you specifically?
because I was set to make a retaliation strike

and also I'm a very important person obv
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Post Post #816 (isolation #67) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:17 am

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Don't worry folks, I'll survive this no trouble
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Post Post #830 (isolation #68) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:42 am

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My continued existence is almost as joyous as it was inevitable.

What say you Meuh - glad/mad/sad/indifferent?
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Post Post #869 (isolation #69) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:59 am

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In post 858, Meuh wrote: Skygazer never makes super dense posts and has a lot of off-topic posts regardless of alignment, so I don't think this is very meaningful
I have a very important question for you Meuh -
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Post Post #872 (isolation #70) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:00 am

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Maybe I was too harsh on Roden, I like these posts.
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Post Post #874 (isolation #71) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:02 am

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Muchly satisfied. That is an exquisite answer!
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Post Post #876 (isolation #72) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:04 am

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In post 867, Cephrir wrote:
@unowen


abort your nuke or eat mine. the choice is yours
pffft
I eat nukes for breakfast

Why do you think Chell is town?
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Post Post #894 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:19 am

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In post 886, Cephrir wrote:
Nuke UNOwen
pffffffft
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Post Post #905 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:25 am

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In post 893, Meuh wrote: Consider: is your satisfaction purely in the stance I held, or in the universe of reasoning surrounding it? We must not limit ourselves to looking purely at stances, but to explore the vastness behind them that tell the whole story. It's easy to fall into the trap of merely being satisfied with a read because it aligns with your own or because it paints you in a good picture. I have been the victim of people with ill intent confirming my view of things and vouching for me having good intentions. Honestly is the way to find other members of the town, not accuracy. At the end of the day, none of us are all that skilled at the game, but many of us can show our true colours in our thoughts, in our reasoning, in our processes. Disagreement matters not if we can ultimately find each other on this basis. If I had been scum, oh how easy it would be for you to fall into my pocket and lose sight of my true alignment! Be warned! :eek:

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My satisfaction has naught to do with the stance or the universe, I simply appreciated the effort placed into it. A one liner might have sufficed but you went the extra mile and that is excellent.

In truth I only asked you a question because I wanted to hear what you were thinking about the game in any sense, and then you did before reaching my question, so when I followed up it was more so you wouldn't ignore me than I cared about the answer. Little did I know that you were preparing such a thorough response already!
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:26 pm

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Great nuke Bell
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #76) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:07 am

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Big F to the fallen heroes.

People will have to explain to me why marci scum -> Chell town.
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:09 am

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I agree that Ircher should probably become a pile of ash.
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #78) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:11 am

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In post 1386, Save The Dragons wrote: I dun goofed
Seems like an honest mistake to me.
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #79) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:18 am

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In post 1412, Firebringer wrote: Have u read chell posts after flips
It’s reaction to flips and solving after
Not due to Marci and chell associations
Yes ok fair, that's what I thought it would be.

IMO scum coming out of the gates with a bunch of solvy takes post scum flip is not unreasonable or unlikely behaviour, including potentially throwing Ircher under the bus (because I agree the comment she picked up on from marci looks bad, but I also think someone else would have picked up on it sooner or later). Chell seems like the kind of player who if scum would aim for the end game, so she needs to generate town reads somehow.
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:19 am

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In post 1413, Bell wrote: Ah, it’s because of their reversal on T3.
I'll think on it.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:20 am

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Klick's nuke is a bad look on the surface, but haven't really thought about it too much yet.
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #82) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:21 am

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Btw where's Andante?
She's too quiet! Scummy?!
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #83) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:23 am

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I think it would be bad.
Funny!
But def bad.
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #84) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:27 am

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@Meuh
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In post 1406, UNOwen wrote: People will have to explain to me why marci scum -> Chell town.
Just because Bell and Firebringer answered doesn't mean I don't care about your reply too - your last response to my query was exquisite after all and I eagerly anticipate the next!
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #85) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:54 am

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why nuke at all is a self answering question in every context
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #86) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:06 am

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In post 1413, Bell wrote: Ah, it’s because of their reversal on T3.
What do you make of the T3/marcistar interactions and Chell's conclusion on them?

The first point that came to mind is it doesn't look fair to tie all those quotes together following the "why didn't marci OMGUS nuke" without including that marci nuked Cakez after only the second quote so the quotes after don't really apply to that particular argument.

Tbf that could just be a mistaken implication because Chell was instead trying to say that marci's posts looked like scumbuddy distancing - but I don't think that's the obvious conclusion. Yes marci's "OMG T3's so scummy!" attitude looks pretty fake in hindsight however I don't really get the impression that this necessarily means scum clumsily distancing and not scum clumsily faking a scum read.
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #87) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:10 am

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In post 1456, Bell wrote: If I were scum I’d probably be laughing that cakez missed before promptly being killed.
Most likely true.
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #88) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:13 am

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In post 1468, SirCakez wrote: I NEVER STOOD A CHANCE THIS GAME
I reckon you're gonna survive this.
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #89) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:44 am

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Well I agree with the T3 probtown take anyway
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #90) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:46 am

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In post 1483, Gamma Emerald wrote: Why
I think he’s explained it effectively
He has? Or is this sarcasm
All I saw was him challenging town reads on you.
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #91) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:57 am

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In post 1494, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I still dunno about T3.
All Marci interactions don't feel like they tell me anything (Reading the ISO now)
Like is it impossible for T3 to not be aligned with Marci here?
I think if you contrast the way T3 talked about marci and the way marci talked about T3, the T3 side looks pretty clean. If it was a mutual distancing act I'd expect his suspicion would maybe get a bit forced at points but to me it never does.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #92) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:59 am

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In post 1502, Gamma Emerald wrote: Where is Andante btw, I have 20+ posts more than her and that kinda feels wrong
True, I raised the same point earlier... extremely strange...
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #93) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:04 am

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T3 flip is significant
Hmmmm
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #94) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:00 am

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Gun to head I'd still say Chell is scum who bussed T3, and so I'll let it play out. Not high confidence admittedly.

IMO Meuh and Ircher are now the best targets for destruction.
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #95) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:31 am

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In post 1738, Chell wrote: Why meuh
Well baseline is that there's nothing great in her ISO, "nuke StD but why Andres?" doesn't feel like a consistent POV at first glance and I'm sure there's scum within the peacnik brigade.
But mostly I think is a very weird buddy attempt of Firebringer, since she hasn't shown any other interest in defending you or pushing me.
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #96) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:33 am

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In post 1744, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: [NORAD SYSTEM] Missile impact observed at 1225 - no nuclear detonation.
Drat! My abysmal engineers have failed me, how could this be?!

Well at least I know my day can only get better from here..... :D
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #97) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:34 am

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In post 1747, Firebringer wrote: i don't think meuh has been buddying me?
in that post meuh is defending Chell
And that is the only post where she does so, and she didn't follow up on the threat or even mention it again so I doubt she actually cared about defending Chell there.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #98) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:39 am

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My read remains that Chell's posts re:Andante/T3 does not track with her claimed certainty that I was scum and that her claim to be trying to get me to spew doesn't fit with her silence until I nuked her.

But I concede that I could be wrong. I figured I'd be more annoyed if I aborted a nuke on someone I thought was lean scum and then find out eventually I shouldn't have though.
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #99) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:41 am

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In post 1751, Firebringer wrote: okay but if ur theory is scum is chell and meuh, and ur saying she is half heartedly defending a scum teammate there....I am not seeing how u come to that conclusion or even say its a weird attempt to buddy me indirectly or w/e
If Chell is scum then Meuh was attempting to build pressure on me to abort my nuke on her scumbuddy, if Chell is town then it was only about buddying you.
If Meuh is town I really don't get where the motivation for that post comes from.
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #100) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:45 am

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In post 1760, Meuh wrote: The motivation for it is that I think Chell is town and should not be nuked
But that's all you said! How did you think that on its own was going to convince me to abort?

You didn't follow up with me at all.
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #101) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:47 am

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Firebringer has asked me to cancel more than once, and he argued his town read. That's not what you did.
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #102) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:58 am

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In post 2, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: This chart will detail the nuclear missile research program of each player of the mafia and town factions;
Third party probably has special upgrades
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #103) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:59 am

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In post 1772, Cephrir wrote: I'm tired of reading posts that begin with "if chell is scum." She's not even a difficult sort here
If Chell is scum this will look a mighty foolish post... :P
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #104) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:16 am

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Yes T3's antsyness as his doom approached strongly points to Drew town
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:48 am

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In post 1824, Firebringer wrote: Unowen do u think cephrir is town? Feels like u haven't commented on it.
town lean
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #106) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:15 am

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In post 1853, Meuh wrote: I’m mostly asking cause I figure firing off a nuke earlier is better cause if it fails, it gives us time to fire off another nuke at that player
If you think it's better why wouldn't you just do it?

I begin to doubt Meuh even has a nuke at all...
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #107) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:19 am

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Not even Cephrir himself has faith in his own nuclear weapon production, a sad state of affairs
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #108) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:17 am

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:shifty:
In post 1734, Andante wrote: tbh I do nothing and yall blew up 2 scum, I really don't think my reading "expertise" is needed lmao
I think that Andantes expertise is actually needed at some point this week
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #109) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:20 am

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In post 26, Meuh wrote:
In post 13, UNOwen wrote:
In post 9, marcistar wrote:
In post 8, Meuh wrote: Good morning! Yay nukes :)
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #110) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:23 am

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Post Post #2069 (isolation #111) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:00 pm

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In post 1976, Andante wrote: no way that is a serious thought you had lol
Fair, it wasn’t.

I did think that it would be good if we saw some takes from you before all the remaining nukes were in the air though.
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #112) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:02 pm

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In post 2021, Bell wrote:I feel like I should be on meuh/unowen. But that would be dumb.
What’s the dealio here?
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #113) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:14 pm

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Is me town reading you the reason you feel you should be town reading me or the reason it would be dumb to?

I assume with the Meuh it’s her saying she’s town a lot which makes you doubt she’s scum.
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Post Post #2130 (isolation #114) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:18 am

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In post 2129, Ircher wrote: I'd rather not be nuked, but I also don't really care enough.
What would make the game more exciting for you?
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #115) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:24 am

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In post 2014, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Meuh could have shot me back already but they haven't and that's making me wonder if they are too nervous to shoot as scum.
a) Nukes bought from North Korea, no wonder Meuh survived
b) Why would Meuh not shooting back make you think she's nervous scum and not just someone who doesn't prioritise you exploding?
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Post Post #2185 (isolation #116) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:11 am

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In post 2140, Firebringer wrote:Idk seems rude to nuke her twice. Also if she survives the second nuke that means she will have survived the most nukes and that should go to me.
I know no-one seriously believed I’d even be scratched but I’ve already survived two nukes.

You’ve got a fair bit of catching up to do if you want to wrestle the honor of “most cockroach like” from me.
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Post Post #2186 (isolation #117) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:18 am

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Much respect to the audacity of Andres, hope that he is town even though I’m pretty sure I could hear evil cackling while reading his nuke justification.
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #118) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:22 am

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In post 2161, Andresvmb wrote: I started reading a few ISOs. In a game where cooperation isn’t really required, I don’t think I can reliably find Scum. I do, however, think that I’m supposed to have fun here. So I’ll go for fun, see what happens.
Did you reach any other conclusions from the ISOs you read or was it only that Cakez should be destroyed?
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Post Post #2227 (isolation #119) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:09 am

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glorious yet a tiny bit disappointing
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Post Post #2229 (isolation #120) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:11 am

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In post 693, UNOwen wrote: the only winning move is not to play...
he was determined to prove this wrong
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Post Post #2309 (isolation #121) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:53 am

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lol Ircher
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Post Post #2382 (isolation #122) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:38 am

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In post 2379, Andante wrote: can I nuke dragons? what are the reads there? cause I think he's not town
Good call
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Post Post #2386 (isolation #123) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:39 am

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Hahaha
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Post Post #2390 (isolation #124) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:40 am

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Glory comes to those who act not think
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #125) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:42 am

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In post 2388, Chell wrote: feels scum claimy from unowen too tbh
Ircher/T3/Andres/Marci scum team fits StD pretty well IMO
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Post Post #2395 (isolation #126) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:42 am

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In post 2392, Andante wrote: how fast are your nukes uno?
Two days, I don’t sacrifice quality for speed
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Post Post #2398 (isolation #127) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:43 am

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In post 2396, Andante wrote: it's almost like I just said that and quoted from the ISO saying that...
Yes I agree with you
Hence I had to nuke him first
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Post Post #2401 (isolation #128) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:46 am

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In post 2399, Cephrir wrote: i support this product and or service
If you’re sure I’m scum why is your nuke still on the ground?
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #129) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:47 am

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Looool Andante
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Post Post #2407 (isolation #130) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:48 am

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You’re literally trying to kill me for thinking you’re right
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #131) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:51 am

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I don’t scum read StD, I actually had a town read before

But scum is doing so badly here I think the final scum must be on the outskirts too
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Post Post #2415 (isolation #132) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:52 am

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In post 2409, Andante wrote: this nuke is not getting aborted, for the record
I would expect nothing else :P
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Post Post #2416 (isolation #133) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:53 am

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In post 2414, Andante wrote: what in that iso is there to even tr??
I liked his reaction to killing gob
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Post Post #2418 (isolation #134) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:56 am

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No the first bit where he was “aw shucks” or whatever
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Post Post #2421 (isolation #135) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:58 am

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Btw

Very important to note that Cephrir inducing Andante to nuke me is mighty sus

Surely he would want the honor for himself
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Post Post #2422 (isolation #136) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:59 am

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In post 1385, Save The Dragons wrote: Oh fuck
In post 1386, Save The Dragons wrote: I dun goofed
In post 1387, Save The Dragons wrote: I am town don't nuke me
In post 1396, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 1393, Firebringer wrote: StD if u had another nuke now who would u nuke?
Myself cuz I suck

I dunno I'm a little behind
This is what I’m talking about Andante
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Post Post #2430 (isolation #137) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:06 am

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I don’t know, obviously it wasn’t a strong read since I nuked him anyway

But the posts seemed sincere in tone to me
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Post Post #2431 (isolation #138) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:07 am

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In post 2426, Andante wrote: what's funny is, I was expecting an instant "I don't tr the ISO, that's why I'm nuking dragons" ok yeah I'm keeping this nuke
Hey no fair my train went in a tunnel
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Post Post #2433 (isolation #139) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:09 am

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True, my nuke does not need me to convince it
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Post Post #2438 (isolation #140) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:13 am

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In post 2434, Andante wrote: uhhh don't you wanna be confident you're not hitting town?? like, you're over here "DRAGONS TOWN!!!!!!" yet have a nuke headed his way...
Not when we’re 4 scum down
This is not the time we need caution
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Post Post #2441 (isolation #141) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:14 am

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In post 2437, Firebringer wrote: u did that urself by agreeing with andante
Ok yes that’s true

Cephrir not nuking me is bad look though
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #142) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:15 am

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I’m pretty confident that Ircher is scum
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #143) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:20 am

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In post 2444, Andante wrote: but he's not dead... you can't declare him scum before being dead, and your nuke isn't pointed at the 1 person you are CONFIDENT is scum? you said it yourself, you are making QUALITY nukes, why make quality nukes and not point them at confident SRs?
Objectively you are correct

However this was just the more fun way to occupy my time while stuck on a train
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #144) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:24 am

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In post 2447, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2401, UNOwen wrote:
In post 2399, Cephrir wrote: i support this product and or service
If you’re sure I’m scum why is your nuke still on the ground?
If only there were some way for you to find the answer to this question
Backup Ircher nuker is not the greatest of answers, there would be plenty of players ready to pick up the slack.
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Post Post #2451 (isolation #145) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:32 am

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In post 2450, Chell wrote: I don’t understand why UNOwen didn’t nuke me again instead of a purported town read
It doesn't seem sensible for you to be scum anymore while your team seem so resigned to defeat. Andres had a decent chance of surviving a nuke but he hardly bothered to pretend. Ircher's doing the bare minimum too.

Maybe this is all just a ploy to set you up the win the game singlehandedly but that feels like more wishful thinking from me at this point. Most likely explanation for what's going on is an unengaged and disorganized scum team and StD looks to be the least engaged player here.
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Post Post #2466 (isolation #146) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:36 am

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yup Andante top town for sure

should be last standing if it somehow comes to it
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Post Post #2524 (isolation #147) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:20 am

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hahahahahahahaha
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Post Post #2525 (isolation #148) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:20 am

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amazing
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Post Post #2526 (isolation #149) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:24 am

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In post 2382, UNOwen wrote:
In post 2379, Andante wrote: can I nuke dragons? what are the reads there? cause I think he's not town
Good call
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Post Post #2527 (isolation #150) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:29 am

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Chell and Klick shoot to the top of the scum list
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Post Post #2550 (isolation #151) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:48 am

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just so
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Post Post #2551 (isolation #152) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:49 am

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I can see Ircher being the last scum here even though it's insane
Suppose scum strat to nuke each other into hard town status and coast to endgame is defensible in theory

but lol nukes don't care about theory
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #153) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:44 am

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evil doers maxed out on bad luck this game
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #154) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:51 am

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In post 2453, Klick wrote: Hi Ircher! If you're somehow town and are just deliberately ignoring the association evidence and the general consensus that Drew is town - now is the time to abort your nuke. Or even just to engage in conversation about why people think Drew is strongly town. It probably won't save you, but it might save the towniest slot in the game if you decide this was a bad idea.

Your nuke was most likely just a scumclaim, but I figure this disclaimer is better than not giving one and just letting Drew die. :)
scum Klick thinking Ircher town makes desperate appeal to save Drew?

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Post Post #2623 (isolation #155) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:53 am

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In post 2620, Meuh wrote: Pedit: Wait I forgot about UNOwen
Is he associative cleared or did he somehow survive this far without that
:(
Maybe people just don't really want to see me blown up?
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Post Post #2648 (isolation #156) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:09 am

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Why Gamma?
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Post Post #2650 (isolation #157) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:09 am

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I think Roden Bell Andante is better
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Post Post #2651 (isolation #158) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:09 am

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lol I see
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Post Post #2698 (isolation #159) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:08 am

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In post 2526, UNOwen wrote:
Abort
Regrettable decision

Nukes should not be cut down in their prime, regardless of the target
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Post Post #2700 (isolation #160) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:12 am

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good to hear it

who would be your second choice right now?
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #161) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:13 am

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who would be your fourth choice right now?
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Post Post #2704 (isolation #162) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:15 am

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norwee is a pretty decent nuke choice agreed

who would be your fifth choice right now?
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Post Post #2706 (isolation #163) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:17 am

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I don't care beyond fifth choice
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Post Post #2710 (isolation #164) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:35 am

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In post 2707, Save The Dragons wrote: maybe penguin
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Post Post #2711 (isolation #165) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:37 am

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I'm a little suspicious of Gamma tbh but most likely I'll be gone before it's time to worry about that
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Post Post #2714 (isolation #166) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:56 am

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In post 2713, Cephrir wrote: "someone give me a name that isn't in the lim pool"
guess I could've just nuked you but I'm sure POE will get around to it eventually
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Post Post #2716 (isolation #167) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:59 am

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your other choices are already being nuked or are me
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Post Post #2717 (isolation #168) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:00 am

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and I am also already being nuked
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Post Post #2721 (isolation #169) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:04 am

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you're just trying to convince yourself Cephrir, we can all see that you know I'm town
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Post Post #2742 (isolation #170) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:22 pm

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Post Post #2744 (isolation #171) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:23 pm

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Norwegian has the final nuke and is probably the last scum

I think Roden will get him
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Post Post #2747 (isolation #172) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:31 pm

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you'll have to survive at least 4 to beat me Meuh
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Post Post #2754 (isolation #173) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:19 pm

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gdi I should have read the small print
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Post Post #2767 (isolation #174) » Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:33 am

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Nuclear schmuclear

Clearly Meuh was not quite townie enough
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Post Post #2769 (isolation #175) » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:38 am

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It’s a compliment if anything, thought provoking posts are the best kind of posts after all

Don’t worry though - everything is clear in my mind
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Post Post #2793 (isolation #176) » Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:15 pm

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In post 2785, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I chose MIRV this time for maximum meme potential and as an ode to Firebringer.

Nuke Meuh and UNOwen
I’m rooting for you!
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Post Post #2831 (isolation #177) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:31 am

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Nuke Titus and PenguinPower


This time I read the instructions correctly I’m sure
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Post Post #2860 (isolation #178) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:27 pm

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In post 2837, Bell wrote: My current accuracy is 52%
Owen split, so lower.
You'd think so, but I have a suspicion that my nuke will land and yours will fail
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Post Post #2861 (isolation #179) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:30 pm

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In post 2843, Chell wrote: i want to nuke someone that is gonna make people mad at me
You should go for it regardless, the more people mad the more entertaining this gets and if Titus is scum (probably is) nothing matters anyway because the game is won.

Personally I think Bell is town.
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Post Post #2862 (isolation #180) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:34 pm

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In post 2845, Titus wrote: Yeah. I hope I am not perpetually ganged up on.
You're doomed. Doooooommmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeed!
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Post Post #2870 (isolation #181) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:00 am

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MIRV was a mistake
Need more explosions
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Post Post #2890 (isolation #182) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:18 am

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good call
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Post Post #2913 (isolation #183) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:40 am

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The vibes for other players are better.
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Post Post #2928 (isolation #184) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:09 am

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In post 2921, PenguinPower wrote: why do you keep trying to explode me?
You were StD’s fifth choice for exploding. Sadly my first attempt didn’t happen since I hadn’t bothered to read how MIRV missiles worked and so you were owed a nuke this week.

Since I don’t have any particular reason to distrust or trust you’re a reasonable secondary target while I wait for Titus flip.
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Post Post #2950 (isolation #185) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:59 pm

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wooooo

thanks for hosting Pooky, gg all.

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