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In post 31, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Reck, I've been away a little while. Wanna fill me in?
I'm not Reck, but I'm pretty certain it refers to the fact that they are a sort of clan...
...that screams at you....
.....Until you die.....
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VOTE: SpyreX because he needs to spend less time on mafia and more time with his family. C'mon everyone. Let's help him break his mafia habit.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 35, xRECKONERx wrote:Statement: at least one of the SDC is scum.
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In post 74, Hinduragi wrote:Pine is town too. What an easy game.
Pine's still on my watchlist. Today's lynch should be one of the following:
Majority of scum lies within the following(will continue to narrow down as day progresses)
chunkykev
Fate
Grimmjow
kuribo
Lowell
malthusis
My Milked Eek
Pine
Rhinox
Shattered Viewpoint
xRECKONERx
Zdenek
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In post 79, Hinduragi wrote:I love well thought out cases.
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In post 90, Pine wrote:In post 80, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 79, Hinduragi wrote:I love well thought out cases.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
But often the most telling. I notice you dodging the implicit question...so I'll make it explicitly stated. Why is kuribo the most scummy? I almost jumped on kuribo for fluffy posting, too, but fluffy posting is only an actual problem if it is in lieu of content or distracting other players. Kuribo is posting in volume, and meets neither of the aforementioned requirements to be considered bad fluff.
So again, what's your case on kuribo?
It's Day 1. I'm taking people off my lynch list if they post or do something even remotely pro-town. kuribo has the most posts with the least pro-town feel. Therefore scummiest.
His fluff has been bad fluff, and he's aggresively sarcastic for no reason.
You have a better case?
In post 90, Pine wrote:In post 87, kuribo wrote:bro, there ain't a fire hot enough to kill me
Except my hair. (Look out! KK might wag his finger disapprovingly at me for having fun at the same time as I take the game seriously!)
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In post 100, kuribo wrote:NO NO, YOU SEE, I AM NEEDLESSLY SARCASTIC AND HOSTILE AND THAT MAKES ME SCUM BECAUSE
It's a psychological ploy. If you want people to ignore you, then you act really annoying and sarcastic.
In post 99, Fate wrote:mehhh KK might be town but he sure is as hell is wrong about Kuribo.
Pff. 4 pages to work with? Even I'd be surprised if I had a slam-dunk case. Still, my gut is happy with where my vote is.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 118, kuribo wrote:In post 102, Kublai Khan wrote:It's a psychological ploy. If you want people to ignore you, then you act really annoying and sarcastic.
THIS IS THE DUMBEST FUCKING THING I'VE EVER READ THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE SPARKLY VAMPIRES
Then why are you posting like a cheap Fate knock-off? This isn't your usual playstyle. You're trying to blend in with the loud crowd.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 123, kuribo wrote:In post 119, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 118, kuribo wrote:In post 102, Kublai Khan wrote:It's a psychological ploy. If you want people to ignore you, then you act really annoying and sarcastic.
THIS IS THE DUMBEST FUCKING THING I'VE EVER READ THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE SPARKLY VAMPIRES
Then why are you posting like a cheap Fate knock-off? This isn't your usual playstyle. You're trying to blend in with the loud crowd.
BITCH, I WAS FATE BEFORE FATE WAS FATE
YOU DON'T KNOW A GOD DAMN THING ABOUT ME OR MY PLAY STYLE
Actually, I was reading up on your game-history. Turns out we're newb-buddies (though I posted under a different name then). Small world.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 135, kuribo wrote:RAAAAAAHHHH! FAKE RAGE!
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In post 145, kuribo wrote:In post 144, Kublai Khan wrote:I'm getting bored with you.
that's funny, because your pathetic attempts to build a retarded case against me are getting me turned on
I'm calling you scummiest after 4 pages, and you're expecting a non-retarded case?
You're spending all your energy railing against me and not bothering to make a case against anyone. Why the fuck should my attitude towards you change?Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 150, kuribo wrote:In post 148, Kublai Khan wrote:I'm calling you scummiest after 4 pages, and you're expecting a non-retarded case?
so you're saying that your "case" against me is bullshit
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In post 154, kuribo wrote:SO DO YOU ROUTINELY MAKE RETARDED CASES AGAINST PEOPLE?
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In post 157, kuribo wrote:In post 155, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 154, kuribo wrote:SO DO YOU ROUTINELY MAKE RETARDED CASES AGAINST PEOPLE?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
DON'T EVEN TRY AND PRETEND THAT WAS A LOADED QUESTION
It is a loaded question, but I'll answer it anyways.
Yeah, I sometimes make retarded cases against people. Sometimes it's because I'm an idiot and am way off base. Sometimes it's because I want to see reactions (both from the target of the case and from who bandwagons).
In your case, describing the case as bullshit/retarded is an exaggeration. It's a weak case. But in my defense it's an extremely early game gut case. And you're reacting to it badly.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 184, Pine wrote:Cognitive dissonance? KK didn't post at all between "Vote: KK" and "KK might be Town".
Pro-tip: Fate is the ultimate stream-of-consciousness player. He doesn't let anything stop him from posting his thoughts as he has them. Not even the fact that he's responding to old stuff and newer stuff exists that he hasn't read yet.
Also, after sleeping on it, I'm not digging the case on kuribo anymore. xRECKONERx has been bugging me. His posts have no townie soul to them.
UNVOTE: kuribo
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In post 194, xRECKONERx wrote:you wanna talk about forcedrage and no townie soul to posts?
check out dis post above me
That post above yours (193) was terribad. But your posts have been terribad too.
But I don't think you two are scum together.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 199, xRECKONERx wrote:why are my posts terribad
every one is just a reiteration of me trying to get kuribo lynched or progress the game
You answered your own question. Just repeating that kuribo is scum without offering new evidence is a waste of time and doesn't convince anyone.
Seriously? You've been here over a year, you should know these things already.
In other words, why didn't you vote Fate for saying that's he's bussing someone?
In post 240, elvis_knits wrote:In post 236, Hinduragi wrote:You weren't really scummy at all until then. You started using them more or less around the time your wagon took off. None of it has the rage I know and embrace. You used caps because you felt like it. So, if you weren't angry, ???
He's scared. Anger=/=Fear
To be fair, fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering
In post 250, kuribo wrote:nah, you know damn well this question is bullshit, especially with this game having so few active posters
Oh shit, a "Hey! Let's stop talking about me and let's talk about lurkers!" deflection? When is that not scummy?
In post 261, Pine wrote:I like my Town to talk more and blather less. You're doing entirely too much of the latter.
Coaching.
In post 262, chunkykev wrote:Any reason for not "digging the case" anymore or have we to guess what you were dreaming about?
Two reasons.
1) Re-evaluate the case. kuribo's CAPS, insults, andedgytalk about his erect nipples exist as an attempt to throw-off people's objectivity towards him. I wanted to take a little time off of tunneling him because I wanted to make sure I'm not falling in the trap of lynching an annoying townie.
2) To check for both his reaction and xRECKONERx's reaction to the vote change.. It's notable that I'm not worth a mention to kuribo now that I'm not voting him.
In post 267, Rhinox wrote:you said somewhere in this thread that you were looking into kuribo's past games. links please? It feels like kuribo caught you in a lie about his playstyle and you made up this excuse really quickly to cover yourself.
You can find his game links by clicking on the wiki button. I know it's a new feature to mafiascum, so I'll excuse your busy-posting this one time.
In post 273, kuribo wrote:so you're someone that played in modern family mafia and you're too chickenshit to say who you are
Was Nobody Special in Modern Family Mafia?
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In post 310, Rhinox wrote:In post 308, Kublai Khan wrote:You can find his game links by clicking on the wiki button. I know it's a new feature to mafiascum, so I'll excuse your busy-posting this one time.
I was more intersted in hearing what games you specifically looked at that led you to your conclusion that kuribo isn't playing how he usually plays.
Umm.. Any of them? Click on a game, display posts by user "kuribo", note the overall lack of all caps RAGING/anatomical references/etc. I noted that it's a change in posting style and mostly likely was done to match up to the players specifically in this game.
He did have a point about the gap of time between the wiki games and today, so I let the topic drop.
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kuribo wrote:and I don't recall suggesting we go after lurkers, you disingenuous tool, I said I can't claim to have a read on people based on one or two posts. Big fucking difference, there, captain literacy.
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In post 314, kuribo wrote:@KK: you seriously can't tell who hasn't been posting? And you're too dumb to realize that I said that several pages ago, and that several people have come around to post since then?
Would you drop the dumb and angry act for a goddamn second?
Lurking is a fucking subjective thing. So let me ask again with emphasis on the fact that I wantto list whoYOUthink is still lurking so muchYOUthat you can't get a read on them yet.at this point in the game
In post 315, Rhinox wrote:Out of curiosity I went to kuribo's wiki clicked the first game on the list, mini 712 from 2008. There is some occasional use of caps scattered throughout his iso, here is an example I came across after no more than 30seconds of looking. Granted its not used as generously as kuribo is using in this game but the groundwork is there.
Yeah, I could find the occasional CAPS post, but not a strategy of using them.
In post 315, Rhinox wrote:If he's embellishing a bit more to be like the cool kids in this game how does that make him scum?
It's an attempt at manipulation (aka Psychological ploy).
In post 315, Rhinox wrote:The issue with the gap of time between games for me was that when you first accused kuribo of not playing how he usually plays it came across as you having first hand knowledge about how he usually plays and then after kuribo pointed out the gap you were like ACTUALLY I was looking into your past games and by the way we were newbies together - just seemed like how scum like to talk their way out of things.
I didn't mean to ever imply that I had first hand knowledge of his play style. I just knew that he wasn't in the SDC group of posters and initial meta-gaming researched showed that it wasn't his particular style.
After about twenty/thirty minutes of reading/skimming his history, I realized that his first game was my first game. Then I read his posts about how years-long time gap should allow for changes in playstyle and I figured that he had a point. So I dropped it.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 403, Zdenek wrote:Kublai wrote:Seriously? You've been here over a year, you should know these things already.
In other words, why didn't you vote Fate for saying that's he's bussing someone?
I've found it to be the opposite. People who are annoying and sarcastic are abrasive and usually paid attention to more than people who are generally polite. So I think you are wrong.
Second, I don't see how I said that Fate is bussing someone.
Zdenek wrote:Wait, were you actually asking me why I didn't vote Fate because Fate said that he's bussing someone? Because that's really fucking stupid.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Fate is regularly annoying and sarcastic and abrasive. Yet you pay him less attention.
He (and anyone who just RAGES POINTLESSLY IN CAPSLOCK) is/are the hipster(s) of mafiascum. It's much easy on the mind to pretend they don't exist until you have to acknowledge their presence by necessity.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 405, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Pine, if you see a self aligned tell, as town, do you seriously just ignore it? I didn't vote the guy for a reason. I'd rather lynch mafia than self-aligned scum.
Good lord that's a dumb comment.
In post 1, Max wrote:Every Role PM will end with either:
Alignment: You are pro-town, you win when all anti-town players have been killed or nothing can prevent the same.Note: there are only two factions.
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Alignment: You are anti-town, you win when all pro-town players have been killed or nothing can prevent the same.Note: there are only two factions.
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In post 415, Pine wrote:Was about to contradict the Survivor speculation, but then I remembered we were in the Theme Park (I mostly play large Normals). Good to remember, we could be dealing with all kinds of crazy shit roles.
PE: Spyrex, care to actually express an opinion? Do you agree or disagree with SA's alleged self-aligned tell, do you agree with my calling him out for fabricating it, and do you find such preoccupation with third parties on D1 to be as scummy as I do? Note that all three of these questions are mutually exclusive, though related.
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In post 476, SocioPath wrote:
What the shit is this.In post 466, xRECKONERx wrote:really, I take one night off and I have to reread 4 pages?
no, not happening, I'm not doing mini-catchups every time I go to bed early or some shit
This is so completely out of character, and off the wall, that this phrase right here is worth a few lynches alone.
I told you something was off about his posts. That's just more evidence.
Also, town-xRECKONERx probably wouldn't have cared what he posted when he was drunk. But he never drunk-posted in this game.
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chunkykev wrote:I will not be voting just because someone says I should be or not voting throughout day 1 looks scummy (which is nonsense). I will vote when I have a reason to as I mentioned earlier.
It doesn't look scummy. It is scummy. Your only vote in this game is your "joke-vote" which you immediately retracted.
Your play in this game has been composed of nothing be challenging other people's votes and reads, yet your reads and votes are very scarse. Anyone who calls anyone else town is particularly distasteful to you. Anytime you have expressed any suspicion, you've not backed it up with any kind of vote. To wit:
In post 296, chunkykev wrote:While I agree that Kuribo is looking scummiest just now
In post 307, chunkykev wrote:Sleepless has moved up my scum list as the post seems inconsistent with his own actions and nothing more than buddying up to me.
These are the only two players you've called suspicious, and both of them have had the biggest wagons on them. By not voting, you're soft-backing those wagons with a "I'm for them, but I'm not going to put myself on record as supporting them". You're playing exactly like a mafioso who is extremely tentative about joining a wagon unless he knows it's going to be a lynching wagon.
UNVOTE: xRECKONERx
VOTE: chunkykev
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In post 525, kuribo wrote:DGB isn't even pretending to try anymore
Have you not played with the aspect of DrippingGoofball's personality that makes lists? When she's town, those lists tend to be holy gospel of where scum are.
Though I recall she usually includes little cutesy reasonings.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 572, chunkykev wrote:blah blah blah votes are srs bsn
Yeah, that's a bunch of bullshit. Your vote isn't more IMPACTFUL because you vote less. By refusing to vote you're just muddying the water to see who's going to take a drink.
To wit:
In post 572, chunkykev wrote:It has not gone unnoticed that your (Khan’s) attack on me heated up soon after I brought up a possible link between you and SA (You mentioned I should put a vote down in post #420. I questioned SA about a possible link to you in post #473 and then you call me scummy for the first time in post #477). Could be coincidence, but I’ve learned to keep a close eye on any “coincidences” you notice in a mafia game.
What the fuck is this double-talk? You say it might be a "coincidence" (note sinister quotation marks), but you acknowledge that my reason for calling you scummy is for reasons stated prior to the basis of your "coincidence".
And you don't back up your suspicions with a vote, you just want other people to think of me as scummy so you can jump on the wagon later on. Pussy.
In post 594, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Khan, the only reason to claim is if you are definitely going to be lynched otherwise. I AM NOT CLAIMING UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Also, at the time of your post, I was at L-3, not L-1. Less players claiming is better, so why claim if a lynch isn't 95% guaranteed yet?
At the time, I thought you were at L-1 with chunkykev threatening to hammer.
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In post 601, kuribo wrote:* Claims to know my style. Then admits that he based this on wiki pages that he skimmed. DID imply that he had first-hand knowledge by saying that we played in a newbie game together. Too chickenshit to say who he was back then.
1) By your "style" I meant your ALL-CAPS posting. I know that Fate, SpyreX, SocioPath, and xRECKONERx will RAGE post because I played with them. Ellibereth, I assumed would post because of the SDC association. You are not in that select group. Skimming your wiki reveals that you don't usually post in all-caps. Hence my comment that you aren't playing to the same style.
2) You didn't ask. I posted as Unright.
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* When it was pointed out that, yes, I've been hostile toward others for years, (as shown by the VERY FUCKING WIKI HE SKIMMED) he poo-pooed it with "Oh, well, the groundwork was there." The game that was linked to him was the game were I called Sun_Tzu a "FLAMING ASSMASTER." I'm a douche. I know it. I'm fine with it, and it's been a part of how I play Mafia for a long time. To try and paint it otherwise is disingenuous as fuck. Claims that it's all a "psychological ploy" and that I'm trying to avoid attention. Anyone who's ever met me for five seconds knows that I FUCKING LOVE ATTENTION. Too god damn smug for his own good.
Just because you don't understand the argument, it doesn't make it disingenuous.
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* Tries to make it look like I'm going after lurkers. What? There's no god damn way anyone with an ounce of self-respect could have read what I said that way.
You were asked: "When are you going to have reads?"
You answered: "[...] this question is bullshit, especially with this game having so few active posters"
I interpreted that you were blaming lurkers for your lack of reads. I asked you who was lurking so much that you couldn't read them, you dodged the question. You're still dodging the question by insisting that it's obvious.
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* He pushes for Assassin to claim. That must mean he thought Assassin was scum, right? WRONG. He has NEVER ONCE voted for Assassin, and even when SA was caught trying to hunt third parties, his only reply was "Good lord, that's dumb." You're god damn right it's dumb, and dumber still that you handwaved it so you could...
Like I said, I misread. chunkykev's threat to hammer made me think that Silent Assassin was at L-1. I don't particularly think that Silent Assassin is scum, but if over half the game wants to lynch him then they needs to claim, not go "hold on people! I have reads! Oh shit, this'll take awhile, give me a few days!"
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* Make assumptions about Reck's drunk posting. Hahaha, what the fuck is this? I don't even know how to start with the stupid that Khan vomited all over the thread with this shit.
Fucking hell it was a mistake to answer this damn post point by point. Are you too retarded to notice the absolute mind-blowing irony of you thinking a posted observation is shitty? Have you iso'd yourself lately?
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* What was the point of asking me who I thought was lurking? I THINK IT'S PRETTY FUCKING OBVIOUS WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE. Who among you can get a read on Maltusius who's posted like, three times? Or MME who by now should have someone go to his house and see if he's still alive? Why did Khan take a question asked of me by EK back on page, like what? 7? And push it on page god-knows-what as if I were still dodging it somehow?
Didn't I answer this? Are you so short of material that you have to repeat stuff to give your case more substance? (I really fought the urge to put sarcastic quotes around the word case)
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* Accuses chunky of providing little to no substance with his complaints about peoples' playstyle... and yet makes excuses for DGB's explanationless lists? Says she "usually includes little cutesy reasonings," and then... disappears?
You know what? I know where DrippingGoofball stands on every poster in this game, including who she can't get a read on because they haven't posted enough. I don't know where chunkykev stands and I don't know where you stand. Guess why I'm going to vote DrippingGoofball today?
In post 601, kuribo wrote:* Accuses chunky of only finding the two biggest suspects supsicious, but what? Who have been Khan's suspects? Me. (Biggest wagon first ten pages) Reck. He wants SA to claim at what he thinks is L-1 but is unwilling to have ever thrown his vote on there or even to question SA further.
WTF? Are you re-writing history? I voted xRECKONERx to bring his wagon up to two. My vote is on chunkykev which brings his total up to two. I was the third person on your fucking wagon. If my wagons become big it's because I point out shit that awfully suspicious to me. I put my vote where my mouth is and I speak my mind. I don't back down from people questioning me and trying to paint my scum-hunting as suspicious.
Give me your fucking analysis of chunkykev.
In post 601, kuribo wrote:What we see here is a pattern of Khan being real fucking selective about who he wants to be seen putting the screws to.
Good fucking job Sherlock. That's the pattern of my whole fucking game history on mafiascum. I've hidden your award inside your wrists, so keep slicing until you find it.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 605, kuribo wrote:That's just off the top of my fucking head! NOTICE MY FUCKING ALIGNMENT IN THOSE GAMES, YOU IDIOT. I get annoyed and frustrated when people act like they don't have the brains that god (supposedly) put in their goddamn heads.
Let me guess this straight. You're still having an aneurysm because I voted for you in the 78th post of this game and didn't have a very good reason. Am I understanding you right?
I'm not even voting you. You're not even near the top of my scum-list. You brought a shitty case against me. I refuted it, and you respond with "FUCKING LYNCH ME BITCH!"?
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In post 609, chunkykev wrote:But you have no idea if the reads are based on scum knowing people's alignment, random gut feelings, meta or something that's happened in the thread. That's why Goofball's lists are totally useless without more information to accompany them.
This is a criticism of DrippingGoofball and anyone else that has posted reads or placed votes with no reasoning accompanying it.
It's day 1 with no information. If she's town then it's obviously some level of gut. If she's scum, then reasonable assumptions can be made about who she's bussing/covering for.
Also, don't assume that I think that DrippingGoofball has posted enough substance. She could and should post reasonings (and usually has in the past).
In post 609, chunkykev wrote:How don't you? Have you not been reading the threads? I've given opinions on several people and questioned others. If I haven't given an indication of where I am about somebody then it is because I don't have a strong feeling either way about them. I'm not going to do a list of everyone like Goofball just so you know who I don't have a read on and who I find suspicious, when my views have already been made. If you were a good townie, surely you would have this information in your notes? But for the record, I don't have anyone as "likely town"
I've never keep notes while playing mafia. The ability to isolate a user's posts and read their history is all I need. Which is why I put a premium on people putting their votes where their mouth is. If they don't, then any hard questioning can be later rationalized as "it was just questions".
In post 616, kuribo wrote:khan, you don't have to be fucking voting for me to be lobbing half ass potshots and soft attacks.
and yeah, I fucking admit, that psychological ploy bullshit pissed me the fuck off. Because you and I both know it was bullshit and you were just begging to be called out on it.
I lob potshots and soft attacks for the same reason that you taunt. It upsets people and might cause them to reveal something accidentally while they are flying off the handle.
I've been reading your responses and while you seemed a little disingenuous as first, you've been sliding down the scum list to near town.
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In post 643, Ellibereth wrote:malth to full scum and not eek through ISO instead of activity records trolololol.
This.
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How is DrippingGoofball like America?
She's the land of opportunity...istic scum..
(was that too much of a stretch? Well, fuck it, I'm rolling)
The wagon on DrippingGoofball is shite. There's no real subtance to it. Anyone who is scum can just say to themselves "A Fate GOGOGOGOGO wagon? I'm in!" then post some vague non-meta reasoning "town wouldn't play that way" and vote. DrippingGoofball is even offering herself up to be lynched a la Metropolis: Revisited which makes her a strong town read for me.
I'd much rather see a Day 1 lynch of one of the following. Because I'm positive that scum lies within.
chunkykev
- I made a case against him and he responded and I was going to let it go, but then he completely and totally capitulates and votes. And it's a bad vote at that. If you want to save up your votes and make them precious, then that's your philosophy. But your "Enough's enough. Khan is going to get his wish..." post is straight up appeasement and blame shifting. I checked your iso, you've never asked DrippingGoofball any direct questions about any specific reads, you've just asked vague-y "Are you going to contribute?" questions which are insulting to answer for anybody.
tl;dr Unfocused scum-hunting + opportunistic vote = scum
Shattered Viewpoint
- Absolutely weak lurky play. I hate going after lurkers because unfortunately some townies think it's perfectly ok to lurk. But compare Shattered Viewpoint's iso to Lowell's (another notorious lurker). Lowell is giving out minimal information, but he is providing reads and votes. Since Day 1 is usually a crapshoot, I'm not against taking out someone that's going to lurk conspiciously and will continually give us doubt throughout the game.
xRECKONERx
- Like I said before: no townie soul. First thing that bugged me was the "one of the SDC is scum" comment. I've seen large games fantastically well when a voting bloc emerges of people that can get a quick town read on each other. xRECKONERx's comment served to de-rail the SDC from the get-go and get them paranoid with the use of dubious math. Then he backs it up with a dumb challenge to Fate. Then he defends grimmjow when grimmjow needs no defending. You say boyfriend, I see buddying. You stop as soon as he calls you on it.
I know kuribo called me out on the drunk-posting comment. I'll admit that it's a minor thing that may mean nothing, but it nags at me. Just feels like damage control.
Plus there's the opportunistic vote on DrippingGoofball.
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In post 671, Fate wrote:
I had to be THAT that guy, but DGB haas faked the woe as me just lynch me then as scum. On my phone can't link it, but it was Mafia Invictus. Look ths is gonna be hard to dance around and scumbuddies like Spy are gonna beall "don't lynch her that's mean" but we NEED to lynch scum to win.
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She's also done the "fuck this game, just lynch me and get me out of it" as town (Metropolis:Revisited). Which is what her play in this game reminds me of.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 691, xRECKONERx wrote:are you willing to stake your life on that?
because I'll go 1v1 with you in a fucking heartbeat if it gets me out of this game fasterIn post 695, xRECKONERx wrote:Also I just don't want to put up with this game anymore...we're 28 fucking pages in and have gotten NOWHERE.
It's shit like this that make me not see you as town, xRECKONERx. DrippingGoofball just got town-love for pulling the same stunt. Any copycat behavior is automatically going to be scummy as the likelyhood of sincerity diminishes.
In post 706, xRECKONERx wrote:Regarding my 1v1 with KK: I always have trouble reading him properly. He's an enigma for me, and I always tend to read him as scummy... but I'm biased, because I caught him as scum here.
Well, you definitely screwed over my scum-team in that game because RisingPhoenix shit his pants. But individually, I'd say that mastin2's tunnelling and self-sacrifice got me lynched in that game (to my annoyance).
@kuribo and elvis_knits - Can we leave picture posting for the "ITT we post pictures" thread? Neither of you are likely scum so neither of you are getting lynched today. There's no point in you two going after each other.
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In post 762, xRECKONERx wrote:oh what the hell did I just wake up to... this kev wagon isn't great guys
Oh, fucking hell. You were cheering his dayvig but now you don't want him lynched?
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In post 765, xRECKONERx wrote:I wasn't cheering his dayvig... I just wanted PROGRESS.
Bullshit.
Someone who wants PROGRESS would be trying to push a better wagon. Not sitting there with an emo self-vote.
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In post 769, xRECKONERx wrote:"Yes, choose to vote for a big wagon or a wagon that really only I support."
Dude, look at your iso.
You're either scum or this is your worst, most apathetic town performance. Either way, it's a net gain to town if you are lynched.
Your scramble flip-flop on chunkykev makes NO sense for town-xRECKONERx. You wanted him dead, but you don't want blood on your hands? That's fucking bullshit, xRECKONERx.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 771, xRECKONERx wrote:Kublai Khan, do you think you're reading too much into things, Kublai Khan?
xRECKONERx wanted D1 over a long time ago, Kublai Khan. D1 is still going on and we've basically gotten nowhere. Kublai Khan, don't you think a flip of some sort would be good and help us move the game along? xRECKONERx does, and that's why he wanted that dayvig to be real.
I agree. We need someone to flip to get some info. I'm actively campaigning to get players who I think are scummy to flip.
You are arguing against wagons, defending people, self-voting, and challenging people to 1v1s.
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@DrippingGoofball:
♫ We don't need another hero...
We don't need a brand new wa-gon ♫
Pre-flip wagon scum-hunting is about a valid a science as preformationism. If you think that chunkykev is being bussed, then let's examine that theory more in depth on Day 2.
Zdenek, Sleepless Assassin, and Rhinox need to move their useless votes elsewhere.
Malthusisand My Milked Eek need to be replaced and their replacements need to read-up and come to quick conclusions.
In post 775, Fate wrote:The fuck is this shit? BOTH town.
Look I was sucked into the same black hole you were, Scarlet Monastery Reck was scummy and useless as fuck AND HE WAS SOMEHOW TOWN
Apparently its a nulltell for him, but w/e, so I go by other people now.
Hindu scum is HARD defending Reck, he would NOT do that to a scumbuddy.
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Quick hits:
* I'd get behind a SpyreX lynch more if xRECKONERx wasn't pushing it so hard.
* Pine's vote for SocioPath was horrible and opportunistic.
* Conversely, SocioPath is being stupid and useless.
* Chunkykev continues to be the classic "I can talk my way out of anything"-newbscum.
* Grimmjow is scummy per his iso.
* If xRECKONERx is town, I really really really hate the fact that he's using this game to bolster his shitty-town meta.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 841, Pine wrote:In post 839, Kublai Khan wrote:* Pine's vote for SocioPath was horrible and opportunistic.
* Conversely, SocioPath is being stupid and useless.
These points do not work together. Either Socio is being stupid and useless, and is therefore reasonable to suspect, or my vote washorrible and opportunisticNo. I demand you explain what is opportunistic about voting for someone that no one has expressed significant suspicion of, and what is horrible about voting for someone who has done something that I find to be scummy (and is in accordance with an opinion I have given in many games, both as Town and as scum. Jumping on replacements is scummy. Period.)
You've been borderline all game, KK. You can't just make statements like that and expect them to hold any weight unless you back them up.
Your vote on SocioPath is horrible and opportunistic because if the best case you have on SocioPath after 30+ pages of content is a quick gotcha-vote, then you're just skimming and looking for ground-floor opportunity. If you honestly thought that he was scummy, then you'd show your work by explaining how he's been manipulating town this whole time. Your thought process of "Ah-HA! He has a different Mafia Discussion theory than I do regarding replacements and scum's attitude towards them, therefore scum!" is beneath you if you were town.
SocioPath is being stupid and useless because his vote on Seraphim is stupid and useless. Seraphim isn't likely to be scum just because he replaced in. However, if his vote was an attempt to lure scum into voting him, then I stand corrected.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 840, chunkykev wrote:Chunkykev can talk his way out of anything because his answers are honest townie answers. Easy to explain anything when you are honest town.
Yeah, I used to have that "Come at me with your case! Let's wall and I'll prove you wrong!" attitude as scum. It's so painfully transparent now.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 846, Pine wrote:@KK: It's not "after 34 pages". Sociopath has made 33 posts, most of which were one-liners. I've been having a hard time reading him, and this is the first thing I can recall that's really given me a strong impression in either direction. I honestlydon'tthink he's been manipulating Town "this whole time" I think he's done his best to lay low and not really be noticed. Successfully, I might add.
And when he does post content, it's good townie content. And I don't think that SocioPath could go unnoticed if he tried.
In post 847, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Hush now, the adults are talking.
*snerk* Goddamn. I'm glad I wasn't eating or drinking anything when I read that.
In post 886, Hinduragi wrote:In post 766, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 765, xRECKONERx wrote:I wasn't cheering his dayvig... I just wanted PROGRESS.
Someone who wants PROGRESS would be trying to push a better wagon. Not sitting there with an emo self-vote.
LOL? Not THIS bullshit again. Kev is ANNOYING. I would've cheered ANYONE's daykill on him, real or not, scum-incited or not.
You don't see the disconnect of xRECKONERx claiming he wanted PROGRESS while self-voting?
In post 891, Hinduragi wrote:In post 800, kuribo wrote:haha, I just saw where Sera replaced in, so I was going to look back over the last 32 pages to see what it must be like for that poor bastard and I noticed that Max said that scum can talk for one week from the date of the game starting.
32 fucking pages and it's only been a week. holy shit, they've been talking about usthis whole fucking time
of course some of you already realized this
kuribo is town.
Ugh.
Look, I'm of the opinion that kuribo is town. And I got that opinion because I've read his posts and interacted with him.
Declaring him town for noticing that day-talk ended is bullshit lazy-possibly scummy-play. How do you know that Max didn't end day-talking in the QT and kuribo isn't looking for brownie-townie points for mentioning it in-thread under the guise of "I just noticed"?
If you want to declare kuribo town, then do it because he reads town to you. Not because of a random observation.
That goes for anyone else who declared kuribo town for post 800 only.
In post 920, springlullaby wrote:I have null on chev. I think the person making the best point about the chev wagon is rhinox, beside that it's a lame wagon.I'm willing to policy lynch kuribo next time time he steps out of line. Shattered Viewpoint is in my definitive town list.
What the hell? Rhinox's main points against chunkykev have been to agree with me & Hinduragi. How is the wagon lame if you agree with the guy who agrees with the majority of the wagon?
And please explain in detail how Shattered Viewpoint isdefinitivelytown.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 958, xRECKONERx wrote:Give me a case.
In post 365, Grimmjow wrote:1) Reck, please quit defending me. I can defend myself and I am wary of your buddying.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 961, xRECKONERx wrote:@KK: I'll defend who I damn well please, thanks.
Plus if Grimmjow was here and actually posting maybe he could actually defend himself.
In post 1, Max wrote:UNUSUAL RULES
1. Any Player may prod Any Player. I consider a prod to be very vague, obviously don't say "COME AND HAMMER LOL" but "You haven't posted in a while, please do so " is acceptable. I think it's mostly common sense, if you're uncertain, give me a shout. *DON'T* tell them how to play, *DO* tell them to come and play.
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In post 983, Zdenek wrote:Elvis and KK are still the scummiest to me.
Wait, WTF? Who are you? When did you join this game? Goddamn, you're so quiet you could sneak up on a meth addict.
So let get this straight. You think I'm scummy for something I said previous to post #109 and you've held your tongue for 35 pages before finally voting on it?
In post 983, Zdenek wrote:KK wrote:If you honestly thought that he was scummy, then you'd show your work by explaining how he's been manipulating town this whole time.
Watch as KK holds everyone to this standard when they vote.
Nice job taking my words out of context and twisting their meaning.
Here's the post for proper context. Summary:Pine went "Scumslip! Vote!". It was a shitty vote because it wasn't anything close to a scumslip.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 1000, Pine wrote:I do not support this product and/or service, as Reck is Town.
Lynch Spyrex instead, and when he flips scum we can have you all apologize to Reck.
Except DGB, she can flail a bit more before we lynch her next. It seems like the scummier quadrant of this thread are rallying to any wagon that isn't on them or one of their buddies. See the Grimmjow wagon, then the Reck wagon. Counterwagons ahoooooooy!
(PE: I'm not sold on KK being in the aforementioned scummier quadrant, I think he's just having an off-game, as I disagree with like 90% of his reads so far despite his thought processes looking Townie.)
Do me a favor then. Explain your xRECKONERx town-read.
Because both SpyreX and xRECKONERx have both been pretty useless. Neither seem to be playing to a town win con even if they actually have one. But of the two, xRECKONERx's actions (self-voting twice, actively de-railing Grimmjow voters, hypocrisy, etc..) have been scummier. SpyreX is just.. bleah.
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In post 982, springlullaby wrote:Shattered Viewpoint is def town for the way he reacted to kuribo.
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In post 966, Max wrote:chunkykev has asked about a week long V/LA from the first, I am considering the appropriate action. Considering the day does not seem to be approaching end I think my first choice will be to replace. If anyone has an objection to this, let me know
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In post 1011, springlullaby wrote:In post 1008, Kublai Khan wrote:
Can't you see what I'm referring to? Really.
I mean the whole quotetag affair.
Now, do you think SV is scummy?
Huh. I read the whole quotetag affair as nullish at best, possibly scummy at worst. Plus there's the whole active lurking thing he's doing.
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In post 1019, Lowell wrote:fos kublaifor tunnelling on other people's townread justifications. Boring.
We've got more people de-railing wagons then joining them. This is why we've been deadlocked as town.
In post 1020, Fate wrote:This is such horse shit, you cheeky scumfuck nitpicking all sorts of NONSENSE. its fucking day one of a LARGE THEME show me if I've EVER gambited D1 in ANY game ANYWHERE assclown. Sure I've faked day guilities on obvscum in open setups with no day cops, but closed?
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In post 1051, kuribo wrote:In post 1050, springlullaby wrote:He is not unjustly targeted. He's been lurking in a way consistent with his scum meta.
and with his town meta
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In post 1060, Zdenek wrote:My vote was elsewhere, but this is not the first time I've commented on you.
Yes, yeah. I got that. I already linked to post 109 which is the first (and only) time you mention that you think I'm scum before your recent vote.
In post 1060, Zdenek wrote:Good job completely misrepping yourself.
I've look a handful of KK's past games and as town he's rational and fairly careful, and doesn't seem to make the same sort of crazy statements that he's making here.
Would you fucking spit out what the hell you're talking about? What crazy statements?
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In post 1062, xRECKONERx wrote:majority of the scumteam is probably split between these three wagons
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In post 1061, Pine wrote:NY 132 for a game with KK as scum. Not sure if you have that to look at in your meta, or if it's relevant.
Give Mini 773 a read. Whether I'm a dick or not has zero to do with my role PM and everything to do with who I'm playing against.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 1087, DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't think SA is scum. It doesn't look like intentional lurking.
In post 591, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Gah. 5 pages to catch up on and just under an hour before work. Looks like I won't be finishing that reads post until Monday. That's a guaranteed "I'm working on this Monday. If I don't, feel free to hammer" Monday, not a "I'm gonna say Monday so come Tuesday maybe people will forget and I can say Thursday" Monday. Seriously, hold me to it.
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In post 1105, Zdenek wrote:
Not scummy, but crazy. Couple that with the fact that you are clearly a rational and thoughtful player, you get scummy because there is no chance that you really believe the things you are saying.
So.. you don't know me. You've never met me. You've never play with/against me. You've not interacted with me anywhere that I can recall. You're also holding me to a meta you've gained from reading some number of select games.
But you know what a "really believe" more than I do?
In post 1105, Zdenek wrote:For instance:
There's also the use of the "unfocused scum-hunting" scum tell on CK.kahn wrote:
It's a psychological ploy. If you want people to ignore you, then you act really annoying and sarcastic.
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If you honestly thought that he was scummy, then you'd show your work by explaining how he's been manipulating town this whole time.
I fully believe all those things. The onus is on you to disprove that. And not via some vague nonsense like "I've read your meta and you seem different from what I think you should be like".
In post 1090, Hinduragi wrote:I can almost guarantee you DGB meant intentional lurking as in lurking for scum-intentions.
Why are you voting him now? Because he didn't finish his reads post?
Lurking for scum-intentions? What does that even mean?
Yes. And my vote's staying on for now because he's been asked some really valid questions and I'm interested in the answers.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Yesterday. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3545295Occasionally intellectually honest
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