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I remember my first large game.
In post 29, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, keep in mind that scum PMs usually list the names and characters of scummates and I think it's a fair assumption that both Harry potter and metal gear characters are scum. So Jason made a pretty strong town tell by not properly knowing the game theme.
If you believe him incapable of being skilled enough to fake such a statement. Do you?
In post 34, Shahrizai wrote:VOTE: BloodCovenent
His suggestion of a PL on Acosmist reads as a) a way to avoid/redirect the discussion about Jason/Zabriel and b) an attempt to get someone out of the way who can't be NK without a scum sacrifice. Jason's vote doesn't seem as calculated as BC's suggestion.
A) I didn't read that in the slightest.. as it obviously didn't. Seems reallly realllllly realllly hard to try and end discussion with some small comment like his. Have you played many large games? Usually many tangents occur simultaneously.
B) Seems more like an open discussion. Have you never seen Kublai Khans game where he opened claiming Miller AND WON. KK, step in here if you will. Lets just say, there's plenty of good players in here, who had the pregame to discuss, and may have sought to take a gamble with a player like Acomists.
B2) I actually wouldn't mind delving into this discussion further."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I think I'd rather do a MOD meta of Pappums... I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of a PGO. AND SOLID SNAKE????? Dudes the muthafuckin l33t assassin.... PGO??? PGO??? You're looking at a JoaT, strongarm vig... Something like that, but PGO....... doubting it tbh."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 49, AurorusVox wrote:I think it's muchmoreconcerning that he'd ever think scum would fakeclaim Solid Snake in a Harry Potter themed game in the first place.
Reads to me like he's faking not knowing flavour."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 54, Kublai Khan wrote:What's your goal in this game Benmage?
I hope this was a rhetorical question.
In post 54, Kublai Khan wrote:Going by your ISO you seem more interested in mud-slinging than trying to make sense of anything.
*peer* where did I mudsling?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 56, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 55, Benmage wrote:In post 54, Kublai Khan wrote:Going by your ISO you seem more interested in mud-slinging than trying to make sense of anything.
*peer* where did I mudsling?
A) Pushing the idea that jasonT1981 is deliberately faking a towntell.
B) Referrencing the game where I fakeclaimed miller out of nowhere
C) Casting aspersions on the Solid Snake/PGO claim via mod meta
D) Accusing me of buddying for arguing a POV.
Mind you it's only page 3 so the examples aren't full-blown attempts at anything, but there does seem to be a pattern emerging where you're playing up suspicion/paranoia and devaluing any early town reads.
A)I didn't really push this. I only questioned the quick town write off. I don't understand how this can be considered mudslinging.
B) In reference to Acomists PGO claim. Basically here he says No trackers/watchers/cops check me out or you'll die. Considering you have experience with early scum fakeclaims. I know Faraday once had a shitty partner of his also fakeclaim MILLER and GO ON TO WIN. I don't see how stating this info isn't worthwild, and certainly not out of nowhere. Moreoever I do have a lingering question for Acomist. I'm actually surprised how quickly you also wrote him off as town. Whats the nice buzz word... White Knighting?
C) Subjective. You might not like to play out guess the mod.. but knowing certain mod history can be beneficial. Some mods hate certain roles and will never use them. (More here, but again lingering question)
D) This is the only arguable "mud-sling".... But it doesn't negate the fact that it read like buddying behind a veil of sarcasm.
And yes it is page 3. I am waiting for people to check in, and recheck in. I don't think I'm being paranoid. Cautious... fair enough, I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at all angles and to have as much info on pertinent matters as possible.
-What would be my hypo agenda in devaluing early town reads, and playing up certain paranoia?
--Certaintly you can't be thinking my master plan is to stop town reads from forming... that'd be absurd.
---Paranoia? A million tangents, noone trust noone? Meh... You think I'm aiming to be an early game scum Ring Leader? (Take another gander at the playerlist)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Well the reasoning to claim is to protect PRs. dur. +
The reasoning against is now scum won't target you, thus you can't NK any scum who may have targeted you. -
So while we gain a plus with not losing prs unnecessarily... we lose an opportunity to nk scum.
As far as debatable worth of which one could be better would probably be determined on what prs we might have in the game, and or the strength of those PRs.... If we happen to have a Cop (arguably the strongest PR).. Than losing him unnecessarily would be detrimental.
Whereas if we have a very weak town... where you might actually be one of the more powerful roles, not claiming/risking it and nailing a scum could've been the better course. Yada Yada IIoA.
Anywhose, glad to see noone was like zomg Snake must be town, as that is baloney. That said I do appreciate the caveat to your claim, and think you're likely town as result of it + the way you did open claiming is town 101. (which goes back to my accusation of KK for WK something he knew to be town) The caveat being a delayed death. Therefore in an endgame scenario PGO vs final scum. Final scum wins."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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unvote vote I Am Innocent
3 really weak questions. Bad vote. Reads as scum trying to interject themselves into the game and put the spotlight elsewhere."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I don't see the issue here. Yes I'm being talkative. Its early, there's not much to talk about. I hate vagueness like this post of yours. Explain to me your problem with this post or me, as if I were a 5 year old.
Nice: post 73
In post 74, Yates wrote: I won't be sheeping Benmage any time soon, though, that's for sure.
You should reconsider... who else could you possibly have as a better town read than me?
... Letsa...Lets make this a priority please. That's how games progress.
In post 88, PeregrineV wrote:In post 87, Acosmist wrote:Why don't all scum just not act scummy?
I think you're missing the point. Whats to stop scum from claiming PGO in a game?
TY.
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Oh did you mean you won't be sheeping, and voting me?
-Anyways on the PGO thing. Yes In a large theme game like this I would claim PGO as well. That said, as a badass risky scum maneuver (which sometimes ya gotta do) claiming PGO is almost the next evolution of the fakeclaim opening Miller claim. KK did it with success, as did Faraday's(partner under his guidance). Don't know who else or how many failures, but that's irrelevant. To take a subpar partner and give them such a fakeclaim can push them further endgame than the may have. Why auto lynch lylo? And as I was saying. People are onto the Miller fakeclaim. People will analyze and not write that off because people have used it before. I know of no incidents of fake PGO claims. But a PGO claim doesn't just ward off cops like Miller claims. It wards off every single PR out there, (and says scum will never NK me).
Anyways I'm sure this point is made now... Bordem is boring."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 95, Acosmist wrote:
Where are you getting the idea I'd be the subpar partner?
Are you confusing me with someone else?
I don't think I'm familiar with your play. It was more a statement.
In post 97, Acosmist wrote:In post 90, Benmage wrote: ... Letsa...Lets make this a priority please. That's how games progress.
What gave you the impression I wasn't intentionally doing that?
My vote and I are in love.
Nothing. I just wanted to avoid any stalling as I've seen it done plenty of times with players getting distracted. I just wanted to preemtively nip it in the bud. And again you say your in love with your vote yet have still failed to respond to the question. So now there is the impression that you aren't making answering the question a priority.
In post 99, Acosmist wrote:
In this game here, we have two people saying a PGO should just not claim, somehow magically play really well as town, and get targeted by scum and only scum.
I get that you're SoooOOOoo tied up with time that you are skim reading. But can you quote me saying a PGO should not claim please.
Excuse me while I chuckle and wish you the best of luck.
-I don't understand the point of your last two posts on this page Acosmist. But I guess it further reinforces you ignoring the questions asked of you. Which also further reinforces my quasi presumption that you'd be the subpar player."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 98, Kublai Khan wrote:
A) It's more of a "denying the positive accentuates the negative" type of thing.
B) I never said Acosmist was town. I just said I wasn't going to policy lynch him.
C) I'd rather ignore the mod altogether. Makes things simpler.
D) Well, it's not. I saw a town-tell and a bandwagon formed on it. So I tried to prevent a bad lynch. If that's buddying to you then you have a very broad definition of the word.
A) Subjective
B) So you yield your initial point.
C) Still Subjective
D) Buddying is Buddying. Town Buddy. Scum Buddy. You Buddy'd by my definition. It peaked more of an interest because you gave the impression of TWO quick town write offs without the need of further discussion. Jason/Aco (maybe I was wrong with the impression, but thats how it came across to me)
In post 98, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 57, Benmage wrote:-What would be my hypo agenda in devaluing early town reads, and playing up certain paranoia?
--Certaintly you can't be thinking my master plan is to stop town reads from forming... that'd be absurd.
---Paranoia? A million tangents, noone trust noone? Meh... You think I'm aiming to be an early game scum Ring Leader? (Take another gander at the playerlist)
It's possible. I think that you do have the ego to make the attempt.
Possible. Anythings Possible. Lets go with what you think the likeliness is?
And I'll cut to the chase. My ego is massive. 10X more massive as town than scum. For my scum game is done perfectly. I'm not going to attempt to take control of this game with such independent individuals day one. I'll wait to D3/D4 and than become the puppet master.
That said as town. D1 works for me .
In post 98, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 80, BloodCovenent wrote:In post 79, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you role fishing?
flavor fishing. Glad someone else found it to be a scummy post.
It's more than flavor fishing. The VT PM is in the OP. He's PR-fishing.
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Can you link me a segment of game where scum actually are PR-fishing? I've seen this been accused of people a million times as something scum do. I don't think I've ever seen the accusation correct nor seen scum actually PR fishing."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Lol KK, linking the Miller game. Badass.
Yeah thats a real good call on the flavor fishing. Sometimes I am guilty of glossing over PMs and Rules/OP."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 104, Kublai Khan wrote:
B) I'm a little lost. What was my original point that I am apparently yielding now?
D) That's sorta become my playstyle for day 1. Since there are so many players and there's so little information, I find it easier to just narrow my focus by systematically ignoring people that town-tell or for whatever reason aren't going to be lynched Day 1. That doesn't mean I will continue to ignore them throughout the game. At the start of Day 2 is where the real scum-hunting begins.
B) That I brought up your/Miller claiming out of nowhere. It was in relation to PGO/Acos (Hence not out of nowhere).
D) True enough. D1 lotsa motions. Lotsa weak attacks.
alrighty lets see where this train takes us. (pun intended )
unvote vote Yates
Too much inactivity!?!? (thats what I get for free time and only being in 1 game... )"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Yes character names themselves are no indication of alignment. This has been done a thousand times. Shit there was a past Harry Potter mafia where Harry was scum. Moreover scum are given safeclaims so name claims/characters tend to be worthless.
That said, Yates you did dance a rather thin line asking if his FLAVOR matched his role. As any flavor here is an indication of a PR.... thats no good my friend."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Yeah that was just quick off the cusp mental notes. I wouldn't give it much credit, and Aco already stated his role aint called PGO, just something like a PGO."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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@Cyber - Speculating on PRs.. really never good. Just a lot of discussion surrounding the outted PGO Acos. Speculating on alignment...?? Welcome to mafia?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 130, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 114, Benmage wrote:Jason... that rc vote couldn't really suck any harder.
Nowhere more useful to put it?
You know PV also voted RC. Why the selective scumhunting?
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In post 129, Tammy wrote:
Support the Yates wagon though not necessarily for the role fishing thing. The line of questioning is odd, but what I remember from him in Heroes of Comedy is that he has a rather odd way of thinking/questioning things. He was scum in that game though so I'm not really sure where I'm going with this. What does bother me is his ready jump onto the BloodCovenent wagon in Post 36 without actually reasoning out what BloodCovenent suggested or why. Something about it just struck me as really disingenuous.
Nice open-ended setup to hop on to the Yates wagon when needed.
In post 129, Tammy wrote:
VOTE: Zabriel Why'd you quietly unvote Jason after Benmage asked you why you were still voting him and not vote anyone else yet opt to push the Yates wagon along by agreeing that he looks like he's role fishing?
Look at Zabriels iso... Noob with the game over his head?
-I have a tough time reading the inexperienced. But I think the attempt at being coy (selfvoting) as a noob, is a towntell. And everything is rather noobtelling than alignment telling."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 135, Tammy wrote:
In post 129, Tammy wrote:
VOTE: Zabriel Why'd you quietly unvote Jason after Benmage asked you why you were still voting him and not vote anyone else yet opt to push the Yates wagon along by agreeing that he looks like he's role fishing?
benmage wrote:
Look at Zabriels iso... Noob with the game over his head?
-I have a tough time reading the inexperienced. But I think the attempt at being coy (selfvoting) as a noob, is a towntell. And everything is rather noobtelling than alignment telling.
He didn't self-vote. Rapidcanyon did.
Why are you rushing to defend people before there is a chance to get them to respond, and get a read on them?
My mistake on the selfvote. Iso still reads bleh. I'll make the read noobnull over noob town tho.
I wouldn't really call this a defense. I'm active, bored, freetime =activity. You act like this is the first game you've seen me... whats up with that?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 135, Tammy wrote:In post 133, Benmage wrote:In post 129, Tammy wrote:
Support the Yates wagon though not necessarily for the role fishing thing. The line of questioning is odd, but what I remember from him in Heroes of Comedy is that he has a rather odd way of thinking/questioning things. He was scum in that game though so I'm not really sure where I'm going with this. What does bother me is his ready jump onto the BloodCovenent wagon in Post 36 without actually reasoning out what BloodCovenent suggested or why. Something about it just struck me as really disingenuous.
Nice open-ended setup to hop on to the Yates wagon when needed.
Your point?
Why not join the lead wagon now? Keep the train trucking. Why waste time with that peasant vote? You can pressure him without voting if that's your little hearts desire."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Alright alright, I know Im spamming... I'm going to walk away now. Butttttt:
In post 136, zabriel wrote: and I've been playing high lately.
Are you talking about be high like smoking marijuana and playing?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 143, Tammy wrote:
But, yes, you've done it twice now. Jason was questioning Rapidcanyon and you told him his vote was bad thereby basically negating his line of inquiry.
Line of inquiry? The ship sinks. Thats how titanic ends. If you've seen it once you've seen it a million times. Whats he going to get out of rc's selfvote and going 'thoughts'... Jason didn't give an inquisition he just voted. Whats RC going to say? What makes selfvoting scummy in the rvs? Jason will go, gee I don't know. End of story. Lets get to the meat of the game. Jasons vote sucked. Any inquiry on selfvoting will suck.
In everygame people answer stupid questions not directed at them. THEY question UNEXPLAINED votes on people who aren't voting them. You should have seen this a million times.... Helll even KK had to be told by Yates to stop answering for Jason, because Yates was waiting for a specific response.
Point is..... IT HAPPENS.
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Jason-alright Jay I yield. I eagerly await what epiphany will befall us with his response.
In post 145, Tammy wrote:
Why waste time? Are you serious? It's two days into day one...on page six. There is no wasting time in trying to get early reads.
Whats your current read on Yates and how strong is it?
In post 154, jasonT1981 wrote:I see no scum motivation in a PGO claim so early on.
If anything, scum would (for the most part) claim miller for any future guilty result that may be found on them. Not PGO.
Don't you see tho? PGO is the evolution of the of the scum fakeclaiming miller D1 tactic. KK did it with success. Faraday had his partner do it with success. Shahrizai just said RC did it in a previous game and won. It's clearly a legitimate effective strategy. People are aware of it. There was a game somewhat recently I was in that had a Miller in it. The Miller as Miller 1-0-1 strategy is opened claiming. I'm pretty sure I and many were torn on PL the Miller or not. Pretty sure I referenced KK's game etc etc.
-So clearly scum could have such a motivation. Miller > Cop.... PGO > All town PRs. And zero excuse for why scum didn't NK. Scum might NK a baddass TownMiller. Scum will never NK a PGO.
-What PV said.
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I read it. I don't recall saying I had a 'super' scum read. Did I? Anywhose, I purposely wanted to wait before further commenting on Yates (see how some things develope if you will) Off shitty memory, where you said you hated BC not for his proposition but for not giving an opinion. I am of the complete opposite ideology for often when I propose something I like to see others responses WITHOUT knowledge of my opinion to influence them. Also, I would advise not threatening me, you're lucky I didn't just say go eff urself on principle alone.
--As for your Yates read, You say you almost voted him for you "reasons" you disliked. You never list these reasons (I suppose thats what I wanted)...you don't really say how strong your read is or whether it leans scum/town. You only go on to say you wouldn't expect him to keep his line of thought/questioning. (Odd imo cause abandoning it may have cause worse backlash..but I digress) Anywhose it seems like your torn on him so I won't press it further.
-My purpose here I imagine was if you are or were torn what better way to strengthen a read on someone than see how they respond with an effective wagon? But yeah still early, so moving on."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 182, Nero Cain wrote:Though I find it rather odd that Ben is devoting so much time into trying to throw doubt onto Acomist but isn't voting.
What voting Acosmist? At the moment I think he's town, but its still so early. I wouldn't call what I'm saying is doubting him, I am more enlightening everyone to previously effective scum tactics. I think this is the second time you've made false undermining statements regarding me. (Maybe I'll gander later when I have more time)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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What else would have been worth wild for early game discussion Nero?? The color of the sky? Awesome. Thanks for illustrating how little a clue about mafia you really have."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 211, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 186, Benmage wrote:What voting Acosmist? At the moment I think he's town, but its still so early. I wouldn't call what I'm saying is doubting him, I am more enlightening everyone to previously effective scum tactics. I think this is the second time you've made false undermining statements regarding me. (Maybe I'll gander later when I have more time)
I can't shake the fact that this really looks like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
"I think he's town!" "But his claim is totally something scum would fake!"
You're pro-activeness in pointing out potential scum strategies is rubbing me the wrong way. Why bring up what is basically a WIFOM argumentso early in a game?Especially when you yourself don't think it's likely.
The best way of ending rvs is getting the game into meaty discussion. That was defiantly achieved here. And as I began discussion around the topic I was wavering more on Acos's alignment, and tho I may lean to a side now the read is far from concrete. Not to mention I could easily be wrong, and down the road (nk'd) might not have the opportunity to have shared the valid scum tactic.
I don't think anything I've said has impacted peoples reads on Acos's alignment. It may have helped people who may have previously written off a PGO as auto town keep an eye on him. GOOOD.
I'm, trying to find what negativity could be reasoned about my statements... Its seems more like you're forcing the appearance of "fence-sitting" if you will, when that really isn't the case here. This is more a MD discussion, on what to do with a D1 PGO claim, and I gave both sides of the argument.
I can be a Liberal and argue from a Republican point of view and not be a Reupblican, and vica versa. Or I can be UNCERTAIN on evolution v creation and be able to argue both points equally. (feel like Im ranting, so yeah... need to finish gettting ready for work)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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*basshead*
Hey back on this topic that I got attacked for:
Jason could've easily said, its not a shitty vote and defended the stance against me thus creating further discusssion *gasp*
*****Which BTW Jason... did you ever further attack/question RC after he answered you? I didn't think I saw anything, but may have missed it.
In post 171, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 138, Benmage wrote:My mistake on the selfvote. Iso still reads bleh.
So Zabriel's ISO still reads bleh when you don't consider the nonexistent self-vote that you thought you saw? Did you even actually ISO him the first time you were asked?
Asked? You mean when I said I did. Yeah yeah I was just multi-tasking, looking a few of the low contributor isos, and mixed up the two I guess because they both have newish start dates.
In post 171, Kublai Khan wrote:
A) You limited what early reads can be gotten on you by self-voting. When you self-voted you neglected to comment on anything previous that had happened. You didn't join any current wagons. You didn't link yourself to anyone by voting them. In sum, self-voting means that you've avoided interacting with anyone until you can get a cold read on them first. That's why I called it scummy behavior.
I don't think rvs selfvoting itself limits reads anymore than any other rvs vote.
-Neglecting other 'important' aspects of the game. Sure call that scummy. But I'll sometimes pop into a game thats started drop a rando rvs, read/respond to nothing and return later (not saying thats the case here)
In post 171, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 160, rapidcanyon wrote:I can see scum motivation behind making me look suspicious (achieve a mislynch)
That all said. You're probably town because of the line quoted above. It's so mind-blowingly naive and adorably self-centered that I doubt someone with a scum PM would think that it would fly as a cover story. Which is awesome because now I can just ignore you the rest of Day 1.
Thats a good grab, I think I glossed over this.
In post 172, rapidcanyon wrote:@ Kublai Khan, you reason for believing I am town is odd, to say the least. It seems like something scum would come up with to have a townread.Calling a post "too bad to be scum" is rarely something that town would do?
Is that a statement or a question? If its a question, I'll go ahead and say I write people off as being too bad to do as scum all the time as town. Although one must avoid the old scotsman thing.
In post 173, ThAdmiral wrote:
that being said Benmage's 92 makes a good point about the "next evolution of the fakeclaim opening Miller claim". There certainly are benefits for scum to claim pgo (other than the obvious avoidance of town prs, you would also be able to avoid a nk from any opposing scumteam), and if Acosmist is in fact lying scum then I will definitely betipping my hat to him in post game.
Don't worry I'll gloat enough for all parties present.
(Hey, so just kinda procrastinating going to the gym... I've been skim reading /disjointly reading the last few new pages. So with time I'm going back over some pages. This post is an incomplete catchup if you will, therefore there's no connecting conclusion (if one was needed).. anywhose going to the gym now... bbl to reread more)
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In post 265, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 263, Benmage wrote:
*****Which BTW Jason... did you ever further attack/question RC after he answered you? I didn't think I saw anything, but may have missed it.
I don't actually think he ever directly answered it, did he?
If you double back that last quote of mine to his post, I believe post 160 he says I answer it... I imagine thats answering it? Not really sure to be honest... but if you we're awaiting a response... and didn't see one, why didn't you press it further?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 187, zabriel wrote:
Also, Solid Snake is a main character, and one that we'd generally assume is in the game. I feel like it would be too ballsy to fakeclaim when somebody could very easily nameclaim and send him to the gallows quick.
God I hope as I read further someone corrected this^.
@zabrielSometimes mods will not include main characters (I know crazy). And also sometimes they won't include them, BUT they will give them to scum as SAFECLAIMS.
In post 191, Nero Cain wrote:
As far as your "Nero iz makin' false statements about me!!!" Bullshit. I had pointed out that you had lightly attacked Jason for his vote on RC but not PV. That's not a false statement in the least.
Its not necessary, because there's nothing wrong with selectivity in questioning. Slightly different yet similar scenario: I want to question players A+B over something they both did (like RC/PV) But I want player A's answer to be uninfluenced. I ask him first, than I ask player B... Always motives. For me, it was more a focus thing. Deal with 1 thing at a time to not be too distracted doing too many things.
+ the unnecessary jape at me selecting a segment from Jason telling me to stop talking.
In post 203, zabriel wrote:Even if I had self-voted, self-votes are anti-town.
Huge difference between being anti-town, and not town. From memory I can link many games all where selfvoters are town. I have zero games from memory where scum selfvoted.
In post 209, Nero Cain wrote:@Zab
Why did you not answer Ben when he asked what you meant by "playing high" and what did you mean?
@ZABRIELI am still actually curious about this ^^ and its odd that you seem to miss many questions directed at you. What is your method when reading the thread? I know that sounds odd, just give me the gist. For example if I'm behind I'll skim from my phone or a computer that isn't my main. This will give me a general idea of the game progress. Than I might if I only have a little time pick and choose a few things to respond to/comment on that concern primarily myself. THan once I have freetime(like now) I'll do a more thorough read and review/comments/questions.
In post 211, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 203, zabriel wrote:I dunno, it's early day 1 and people have been going mad over stupid. People have been going apeshit over a claim based on a couple of fanboys bitching about Solid Snake being the most badass badass that ever badassed. And no, I didn't look at the vote count. I was just looking at the pressure in thread. That's what I meant by wagon.
"People" huh? You're obviously reading the game, but you're not keeping track of who is saying what. Which means that you're not actually scum-hunting.
Vote: zabriel
I have a growing feeling that a zabiel lynch will be a constant theme this game. (im out for a bit again)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 281, ThAdmiral wrote:In post 279, BloodCovenent wrote:In post 277, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 268, BloodCovenent wrote:@nero, i just noted two possible slips where he indicated more than 1 scum team. interesting shit man.
And this is bad "Look at this nail in the coffin I found" stuff. He didn't slip. He's not saying "thereis2 scum teams". Furthermore it's not even scummy to postulate about multiple scumteams in a large theme game.
How do you know, why are you answering the question for him? covering for your scum buddy?
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Vote: Theadmiral
Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Well done.
Owned.
Hey TAMMY! Funny segment. Remember I answered for whomever Jason asked. And you attacked me... shouldn't Jay have attacked me?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 215, Zoroaster wrote:
This is a large theme game. You should be surprised if there isn't anymore decently powered town roles.Benmage wrote:So while we gain a plus with not losing prs unnecessarily... we lose an opportunity to nk scum.
I believe this is a misunderstanding, as you only quoted a small segment and don't have the full context.
In post 215, Zoroaster wrote:
Do you want to roleclaim?Benmage wrote:Anywhose, glad to see noone was like zomg Snake must be town, as that is baloney.
Where do you get the idea that I'd want to do this?
@ZABRIELIn post 228, zabriel wrote:So I do think he's town, but his self-vote has nothing to do with the read.
Can you go into further detail on your town read of RC? What comments/ posts/ thoughts of his gave you such a read.
In post 254, zabriel wrote: two mafias,
@ZABRIELBloodC asked this question ^. I'm curious about what you meant as well.
In post 272, zabriel wrote:
I haven't answered the getting high question because I feel like it's the kind of thing that takes away from actual discussion since it's not exactly a game question
A simple yes I do would've been much easier, than this description of taking away from the game. AND SINCE you felt the need to initially state that you get high (I guess it has become game relevant). I just wanted to clarify before this became a recurring excuse.
So yes/no?
*headdesK* its like he wants us to lynch him. Other than responding to things involving his claim. Can anyone say Acos has done anything this game?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I was right. His voted sucked. Moreover he was never really interested in a response from RC regarding the vote because he hasn't yet since pursued the line of questioning.
In post 283, Nero Cain wrote:Why did you never follow up on the subject with PV?
I don't care to atm(or maybe ever).
In post 283, Nero Cain wrote:
That last post from IAI sucks dick!!!. I think its a slight scumtell to ISO since you should be reading the whole game instead. + it looks like jumping on the highest wagon instead of trying to find who the scummiest player is 'cause THE WHOLE "CATCHUP" POST IS DEDICATED TO ZAB. I simply do not get a town vibe from this 'cause I think you'd have more to say then just about one person.
I have an incredibly desire to switch gears and kill IAI.
Lets do it.
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In post 288, I Am Innocent wrote:
@Ben, Top 4 suspects and why please. Also would like your biggest town reads on record too.
So you basically want me to explain reads on half the playerbase... on page 12, where half the game has less than 10 posts, and 4...4 fucking suspects... yeesh. The uhm... the term "go fuck yourself" comes to mind. Since I am one of the lead contributors, why don't you give 4 suspects with reasoning why, and reasoning for your top town reads.
-In addition, why did you want this out of me specifically?
In post 288, I Am Innocent wrote:
I'll continue to try to keep up, but until 11/1, I have something in my life that is sucking up most of my time.
Why would you join a game to be v/la for the first two weeks... Mind blowing...
In post 291, jasonT1981 wrote:He didn't... And I still want an answer.
Dont tell me...... tell him?
Have you? Reasked it..."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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@ThadI don't really want to vote BC. You previously voted IAI, and he just said he's going to be a useless lurker. Lets get that vote back on IAI."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 294, jasonT1981 wrote:
Given I have stated I am still waiting for an answer, I think that is me pretty much asking it.
If he fails to 'answer it the way you want' the next time he posts. I suggest large bold caps to get his attention. Just saying your still waiting for an answer might go unseen by someone who in their mind has already answered it. (As I said I think he answered it by referencing something I commented on the issue... you may want to try and be clearer with him)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Most of 295 just reads fluffy.
@Zoroaster, I'm assuming you're up to date with the thread now? What's your opinion on IAI?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 299, Kise wrote:
@Ben & Nero: You guys think the other is scum? You both have big sticks, put your heads together....if you know what I mean
I was wavering before. I'd say town now.
In post 298, zabriel wrote:@Ben
Cyber still looks like shit to me, but it seems like the "coaching" is more AV trying to create a trap. So I'm not entirely sure that Cyber isn't scum, but I feel pretty sure that Cyber and AV don't share an alignment. Given that and the flavor of the game, I was wondering if we might be dealing with mafia/werewolf splitamong HP and Metal Gear villains.Right now it's just speculation and such.
I considered this as well. Multiple scum faction games are called multiball."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 309, Acosmist wrote:How bad at mafia would you say you are, Benmage?
Why are you purposely playing bad? Do you actually want us to lynch you?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 332, Kublai Khan wrote: And he's been posting much more since he's come under suspicion.
Echoing what Yates said... A billion times I've seen the statement "he's lurking since coming under pressure"...what is this a damned if does damned if he don't?
In post 332, Kublai Khan wrote:
I realize that the line between sub0optimal town play and scum play can be blurry.But zabriel is clearly on the scum side of that line.
I don't know how you can make such a declarative statement... You call his play bizzarre. I often can't comprehend the rationale of individuals logic. But more often than not its coming from town. Scum tend to think more, react slower, and appear more levelheaded... I don't get bizzare = scummy. Imo its the opposite."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 351, Tammy wrote:In post 285, Benmage wrote:
Hey TAMMY! Funny segment. Remember I answered for whomever Jason asked. And you attacked me... shouldn't Jay have attacked me?
Hey BENMAGE! Funnier segment. Remember when that's not how that happened? You told Jason his vote was bad and to move it when he was trying to get a read on rc. Then you answered a question I asked to zab when I was trying to get a read and gave him an answer to the question I asked. I asked you why you were defending people before they got a chance to answer for themselves. You said you weren't doing that, and I pointed out that yes you had twice now...once to Jason and once to me.
Its disappointing that you drew a scum PM this game. I like Tammy town (I don't even think you like you as scum). You should likely NK me tonight."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Here's a rough reads list I stuck in my drafts the other day:
Town:
Benmage
Prob town:
zabriel
jasonT1981
Zoroaster
Kise
Acosmist
Nero Cain
rapidcanyon
Undecided:
Kublai Khan
BloodCovenant
PeregrineV
ThAdmiral
N/A
Shahrizai
Cybertronix
snifit
Amrun
Probably scum:
Yates
I Am Innocent
Melmond
Tammy
I'm down to lynch anyone in the probably scum."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 355, Tammy wrote: I'm also a bit suspect at your reaction to IaI's request for reads.
4 suspects.. with reasoning...4... from a player who is part of the problem. The problem which I stated in my response is that too many players contribution has been so minimal a read or an attempt at explaining a read is nonexistent or waste of trying to force something that cannot yet be.
Tammy give me 4 of your top suspects with reasoning why, and say 2 top town reads with reasoning why."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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^I really dont even care if you answer that... its just ridiculous. You can iso me for reads and contribution. You want me to list my current suspects sure... But WITH REASONING. *insertmiddlefinger*
The people I usually hound for reads are the ones not giving them. THE NONcontributors... and the max I've ever asked for is 3. I think asking more forces stretching or shit responses like 'gut'."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 371, I Am Innocent wrote:
Thoughts leaving the game.
-Played with Benmage once, he was a prick in that game too, but he never backed down like he did when others told him to calm down. Was town that game, which makes me wonder about this one.
-Ben said he has never seen scum self vote and that was a town tell, I find that interesting as the game we played I voted town and he continued to push me the whole game. Interesting change of philosophy that I couldn't help but noted.
Before you go can you remind me what game this was?
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Oh I found it^.
It was Zachs mountainous game,from 2 years ago.So lets consider it part of the process of me developing said philosophy. Yeesh. (nor am I saying its absolute... IM SURE someone could find a game of scum selfvoting(outside of hammers))"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I'm pretty sure I've stressed it was the reasoning thing several times that was my primary concern. Also that I am a lead contributor, and he's done nothing.. so why single me out, was secondary. 3rd I'd imagine asking it again with the state of the game, with several barely involved."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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