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In post 123, Lyanna Stark wrote:Dolorous Edd is very very likely to be town. His Post 14 is far more likely to come from town him than scum him, especially with the follow up "What do you guys think?"I understand why some people have suspicions of him, but I haven't seen anything from him yet that raises any alarms, and between him and his hydra partner, I'm pretty confident in my ability to get an accurate read on them in time.
To me it sounds like "i don't have much experience of keeping the pace as scum, give me a break", because i just don't see what else he was addressing there. If someone has another vision of why was it made, i am listening.In post 360, SnowStorm wrote:Btw, I think it's worth mentioning that in all my mafia experience at Westeros I've only been mafia once.
Hmm, i thought that anyone who plays mafia should know the IF clause and some kind of formal logic (even without proper education), so interpreting my words like this means that comment was done without even thinking on the meaning.In post 923, Shadow1psc wrote:In post 922, kortul wrote:I am too tired to ISO my second strongest suspicion atm, and even if after the ISO i will believe he is also scum, using CHOOSE on him would be more sensible, therefore i will do the ISO tomorrow.
"I haven't read someone, but I bet you after I do, they'll be scum!"
You may be right, but we will know it only after the flip.In post 1009, Dolorous Edd wrote:Ahahah. Told you Snow was town. Now we just wasted a claim
I said what i wanted to say. I have town reads, some of them are against each other, but i still believe they can be wrong, stuck in confirmation bias, and be town together. Or i may be wrong about someone, that's why i reassess my reads regularly. I do believe i can't be wrong about all (or most) of them.In post 1012, Dolorous Edd wrote:
In post 910, kortul wrote:If anyone interested, right now my town reads are (S->W) Lyanna Stark, Regfan, Plessiezarus, MoI, Tyene Sand, Staeg, Plums Yo Mamma, Feysal, and hesitating on Minimum and Dolorus Edd. I know, that there are some cross suspicions among them, but that doesn't mean they can't betowntogether.
I'm guessing you obv mean scum here, not town?
Also, can you please explain your strong town read on Feysal please?
In post 957, bvoigt wrote:3. Yes, Sala is the only case I've really pushed in this game, because he's by far my strongest scumread, and MoI and Feysal haven't really done enough scummy things that I could make a full case on them.
Everyone who isn't Shadow1psc, imagine yourself telling the bolded part. What would you use in place of the word that i erased?In post 401, Shadow1psc wrote:How about the explanation of, the game isn't even 3 (real) days old and people are trying to actually use limited amount of interaction in a 28 player game to pinpoint behavior as either 'scummy' or 'town', as if the game has been going on for weeks,or some mystical mindset is able to actually tell you I am <....>, much in the way I've been called out for calling Mina town (which I never actually said she was, just that she shouldn't be lynched because Mina is easy to read in later days).
Where did you find the word "helpful"? If you had 20 helpful posts, you would skyrocket as a town read for me. Those posts were defense, conversations, comments, etc (ie something, that not only you may be interested in).In post 1082, Shadow1psc wrote:So you can concede that more than 20 of my posts are helpfulIn post 1081, kortul wrote:Finished the ISO of Shadow1psc. Out of his 70 posts, more than 2/3 are about nothing (that's like two extra pages to read). I just hate this style.
Hmm, i can swear i saw more choose votes on him when yesterday morning i was deciding whom to ISO. And didn't check this when i was done. *shrug* Then just consider this is as a statement of whom i find scummy (like your choose on me now), when i die those doing my ISO will be sure where my suspicions were. I am not choosing Feysal, will be doing ISO on greenknight today, so until then my choose vote will stay on Shadow. And i definitely not starting yet another vote wagon, spreading the votes close to deadline (read one of my previous posts).In post 1084, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Uhhh...Shadow had more votes than chooses...why the fuck would you be comfortable choosing him but lament the fact that he doesn't have enough votes to be a viable wagon?
In fact, to further illustrate this point, there are two vote wagons of 8 and 6 right now. There are also two choose wagons of 8 and 6. The competition for a Shadow wagon for both voting and choosing isexactlythe same. The only difference is that Shadow has more votes than chooses. So why the fuck would you say his vote wagon had no chance and then go ahead and choose him, which by your own logic has evenlessof a chance at succeeding?
FTR, I'm not any more concerned about my lynch when I'm scum. Maybe I should be, but if anything, I get called out for not responding to the points against me.
I looked at the quotes in his signature, sighed and moved on.In post 1167, Lyanna Stark wrote:I'm wondering why people gave green knight a hard time for placing votes without reading and no one bats an eye when seraphim does it.
There's a problem with this approach - unless they are volunteers, assassin candidates are more likely to follow their own opinions. So i prefare a usual approach of lynching scum.In post 1180, Dolorous Edd wrote:Shadow is a vig bait though. Anyone with a mind would know to shoot him tonight (*hint hint*, like if you’re a townie who gets chosen today)
Same feelings And i really doubt this is some great gambit of green and Snow, since if green were scum logical choice would be accepting a one shot vig instead of painting a bulls eye on himself and dying soon anyway. That means that Snow claim was true as well.In post 1219, Dolorous Edd wrote:For fucks sake, what the fuck is it up with us targetting masons, unless anyone who is about to get lynched claims mason (or this is some grand master plan by Snow and greenknight)
Simple. Just shoot me at night, if you can, or build a case during the day if you cannot (maybe in process you will finally realize that you are wrong).In post 1386, Staeg wrote:I want kortul dead so bad ;_
Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way.DCLXVI wrote:The choose does not require a majority, so please don't vote me under the fallacy that doing so is better than a no-choose. If you think me and feysal are both town just don't choose either of us.
I even checked with mod what would happen if we've choosen and lynched the same person - second in line will be choosen.In post 4, Eddard Stark wrote:Assassin in the Snow:
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A simple majority will lock in an assassin, however if there is no majority then the person with the most votes shall be chosen.Should two or more people have the same number of votes then an assassin will be randomly determined.
In post 1380, StefanB wrote:So for my last words: Not yet. In a few hours.
I can only say sorry for inning and at last it would be good for Cersai at last (which should give away who I am)
And please don't give me a gun.
One moment you are resigned to die, and several hours later you are sure to be more readable and be able to do something on Day 2. That's the spirit.In post 1411, StefanB wrote:Kortul I will take care of that problem, I may not do it today, but will so after the lynch.
This slot shut be more readable tomorrow.
I won't do anythink now, because it would be a hell of unfairness towards someone else so short before deadline.
Mina is correct - if our mod indeed gives fake claims without request, suspecting Stefan based just on RP part of the claim is wrong.In post 1437, Minimum wrote:InA Clash of Kings, he made Sandor Clegane and Petyr Baelish townies (where town were the Starks), and Tyrion Lannister Mafia. (He also made Melisandre a fakeclaim.) But more likely,he fucking gives scum fakeclaims.So Stefan's softclaim is null at absolute best.EVERY SINGLE GAME, WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
Furthermore, what the fuck? He hasn't actually 100% softclaimed Tyrion, anyway. It might be the language barrier.
That's where my exact thoughts when i voted him, i tried to explain them, but Mina right here made it better. I just don't have a hydra partner to consult. Feysal thinks that i presented a case on Stefan - it wasn't a case, since i couldn't read him, it was my recollection of his ISO, with thoughts on what i like and what i don't like. I hoped that those who know Stefan better can help, apparently nobody is interested. Without the claim, when i made my post my vote would go to bvoigt, that's why i was frustrated with Stefan - with claim i see voting him as less damaging to the town. Iec also tried to explain it from a logical point of view, so at least someone understands that. After the last post from Stefan i am more content with my vote, but if i will have time at work i will meta read some of his recent games, just to be sure.In post 1437, Minimum wrote:This is annoying.I hate it when I suspect the lynch option(s) that hasn't claimed more than the lynch option who has claimed.(Personally, I'd go bvoigt>Sapo>Stefan, but my other half would probably veto this order.) I also think Feysal is moderately more likely to be scum than DC now, too (although his long reads post seemed more genuine than the one he did in Court of the Gods on the verge of being lynched).
If Zdenek is thinking in terms of multiball, he can see such scenario. Though, he forgot to mention that this was when green claimed mason, so hopping off wagon was nomal. And relation tells with someone of unknown alignment can be useful later, not a base for any strong suspicion now, unless you are not on wagon of your main scum suspect or something.In post 1605, Tyene Sand wrote:Unless you're claiming that I jumped off a masononto my scumbuddyand pushed that wagon until the end (which was a wagon I had been supportive offrom the beginning due to redFF, I have no idea how you think it makes sense for me to be scum at this stage.
In post 1623, Shinori wrote:No I think I actually have info that potentially pegs someone as scum along with BVO. It could implicate bvo as town though but it's also something I don't fele at liberty to discuss because it could just be more beneficial to scum than town.
In post 1640, Shinori wrote:Frankly if people want me to out infos i could. It could just be really bad though. so I'm waffling on it.
In post 1720, Jal wrote:Also, for someone who apparently went through my ISO, you would have seen
In post 1200, Jal wrote:I'm going to take the advice someone gave to another and just ISO the top wagons.
Which is why I went through and gave a read on both him and Feysal at the time. There's 28 people in the game. Guess how many people I have yet to mention before?
By yesterday do you mean the day 1, or Sunday? Ie which of Shadow claims prompted you to ask mod for clarification (and, most important, why?)?In post 1786, Saporerint wrote:Yesterday Faraday encouraged me to PM him whatever I would post first, and he'd OK'd this by morning:
1. After seeing Shadow's claim, I asked the Mod for clarification of one of our abilit(ies).
In the post 1285, that you mentioned, Sapo was scummy for you (even more then his predecessor), you commented that "There's a 75% chance I won't be riding the Shadow gravy train today. Apologies.", and you didn't give your opinion on bvoigt, and their wagons were close (6, 8, 8). You suspected Benmage of pulling people towards Shadow wagon, and thought that Sapo is scum, made a big post of it, isn't it a perfect time for a push and vote placement?In post 1805, Jal wrote:In post 1723, kortul wrote:Jal, so why did you decide to ISO choose wagons, where reaching 15 votes wasn't necessary, over ISO-ing vote wagons, where your vote were more important?
At the time I thought choose votes had to be locked in order to count prior to a lynch going through, so my choose was more important for me to get down first before a lynch. Realized I was wrong sometime right before DCL was locked in, but it didn't matter much. I did ISO some of the largest votes, which is indicated by my big "Sap is scummy" post post 1285, and indicated I wasn't entirely onboard with scum-Bvoight.
Actually, the only reason I really even thought Bvoight could be scum was due to Benmage's heroic post 1241 wherein he either shows how people on Bvoight's wagon are scummy or their intentions are misplaced in an attempt to gain momentum for the Shadow wagon. I've seen scum pull-out all the cards for a scum buddy before. At the time, the Sap wagon was also relatively large, but he doesn't do the same call-out to them or any on that bandwagon. If Bvoight flips scum, Benmage jumps to the high-end of my scum list.
Pless, i am methodical, and i am taking notes along with my reading, it helps to remember details. The day started with a long flavour text for night events, several names where mentioned there, and from the flips after the scene i understood that both character names were in that flavour, so i made a note that "Based on the flavor of the night events, DCL killed Snowstorm", at that moment i thought that it may be important. Then i began to look at all this from different angles, trying to figure out why both masons were dead, and whether this can help us to determine is it multiball or not. Since the fact that SnowStorm was mason is more relevant for the logic than his name, i changed his name in my post draft to the "one of the masons", it was easier than operating with mason names later on.In post 1835, Plessiezarus wrote:The bolded seems like a really weird choice of words. "Based on the flavor"? DCLXVI wasscum, had anunstoppable killandnobody else died last night except the masons. Why do you need to consider theflavourto work out that DCL killed one of the masons?
You are right about SnowStorm, Shadow1psc, DCL and Salamance - i considered them as scum or leaning scum after the ISOs. greenknight was a compromise choose. I coudn't read StefanB, so initially voted him as a compromise vote as well, though after he posted later during the same day, i changed my mind about his claim and was more sure in my vote. And you somehow put bvoigt into my town reads, and he never was.In post 1848, Jal wrote:In post 1816, kortul wrote:Jal, your presentation of several of my reads is not even close. Vote does not equal scum read, and you yourself said good words about compromises on day 1. If it wasn't intentional and you were just skimming at that moment and all of this is from memory, then take another look. And i have two questions.
So, which do you think are not presented accurately?
Benmage, let's see. He coudln't decide on wagons once the Snow claimed mason, and from his comments, wasn't happy with current wagons. We were slowly approaching deadline, and On Thursday (1087) he was ready to "lynch bvoigt or sala I dont care at this point." He was all over the place, but it didn't look artificial. And then deadline was extended. He still was jungling votes, but this time i agreed with him, since i wasn't happy with existing wagons either, they were stuck anyway, so with extended deadline there was enough time to look for alternatives.In post 1848, Jal wrote:By the way, I wanted your opinion about what I said regarding Benmage and his pulling off Bvoigt's wagon. What are your thoughts?
At least i learned new words while reading this comment. Because the content itself is nuts, like you were reading and thinking on something else but decided to quote me. I wrote a simple question to Saporeint, saying what i want to hear and why. Period. If i didn't come to immediate conclusion that Sapo is scum and asked a question instead, that's how i play. And it is more clear than yours "I don't feel uncomfortable giving Saporient the benefit of the doubt for the nonce, as it happens".In post 1853, Plums Yo Mamma wrote:In post 1767, kortul wrote:Saporeint, i would like to hear the whole explanation, once you will clear it with the mod. And on day 2. Though, for now i fail to see what discussion can lead to this question from town. Still, if you are town, there would be at least two scum parties on you anyway, so there's no reason to hide the information.
Edd, BBmola, are you in a hurry? I think we should hear Saporeint story today. And also give those MIA time to pick up their prods (in case more replacements will be needed), and if there are no more strong objections on jailing Shinori, allow a day or two for everyone to actually send their jail PM votes. Bvoigt wagon isn't going to run away.
This whole post reeks (pun not initially intended) of over-concillatory, artificial reaction to what happened with Saporient's post. It feels like Sapo has absolutely no idea how to deal with what many other players are treating as a sort of scumslip. He's very careful to say that he does want the explanation and we should hear it. He's also super careful to appear to think that Saporient probably doesn't have an explanation that can explain why this happened.
Pless+Zar is worthy of serious attention. Basically, none of this feels right. If Kortul scum, Saporient is not aligned with him. I don't feel uncomfortable giving Saporient the benefit of the doubt for the nonce, as it happens.
This would be a perfect candidate, but so far i don't see, how those who are inlikely to by lynched can be also unlikely to be killed, that's counter-intuitive.In post 1976, Lyanna Stark wrote:You think has a chance to either alignment but are unlikely to be night killed or lynched and could be a danger in lylo?
Staeg, why would you consider him to be "gut town", if in 2036 you said, that until the flip of masons you considered Frey as scum, and not sure even now?In post 2040, Staeg wrote:If I found Regfan to be a Frey, I'd consider him to be "gut town" and slightly more likely to be town.
So, one more time - why did you check Regfan, if you had no idea how to interpret the results? You had the perfect opportunity to ask the bolded question when Snow claimed mason, it would be natural question, not giving away your role, and providing you a better understanding of the future investigation results.In post 2036, Staeg wrote:The thing is, when I got my role, I immediately went "well, the freys don't actually LIKE the lannisters, so I guess they could maybe be scum?" This kinda waned when I saw the Walder twins flip town, but those two were just kids; they didn't have any clue of what's going on in the game of thrones.
In fact, anyone more apt than me in these things, which side did the Freys choose during Robert's Rebellion?
In post 1307, BBmolla wrote:So apparently I recieved a letter from someone, it says that Aegon Targaryen's forces are split up so thatsome do not know who the others are.
In post 2095, Eddard Stark wrote:Saporerint - Varys - *Informed Goon and member of thelost the trial by combat on Day 3.Aegon Faction
*Informed means he had information about another player(s) role.
In post 2122, Staeg wrote:And another thing: are we agreed that I have something that investigates stuff (aka do you think that me and shinori aren't buddies, and even if we are, it goes a bit further)? This goes to everyone.