For crying out loud – you people need to read my posts in context. And actually
read
this post, I don’t write them solely for my own amusement.
Since I know you are all skimmers, I'll high-light a few things in blue.
I replaced into the game two days before deadline: I was only able to give the game about one read through. What I saw was a bandwagon on MBL go to lynch -1 at the start of day, and after reading through MBL’s posts, I didn’t find him very scummy. With that line of thinking, I tried to look for the worst people who jumped on his wagon, as I already mentioned
in Post 280. For me, those people were Bird1111, Glork, and InHimShallIBe.
InHimShallIBe wrote:Oh, and I just reviewed PJ's posts. In summary, "Hmmm... I'm suspicious of bird, and he has a big bandwagon, but, nah... I won't vote for him."
You claim to have read my posts, but:
PJ wrote:If there are no other reasonable alternatives by Friday morning, I may indeed vote Bird1111, but I would rather poke at some other people while I still have the chance.
Considering I had just replaced into the game, I wanted to poke at new people before deadline came.
I would have voted for Bird1111 if the alternative was No-Lynch, since there are very few situations where I would agree with a No-Lynch.
I was concerned with the Bird1111-wagon (as I mentioned at least twice yesterday) because ¾ of my top suspects [Nightson, Klebian, and InHimShallIBe] were
all
voting for the 4th suspect. The bandwagon itself smelled of opportunistic scum, so far as I was concerned, so although I agreed Bird1111 did not look very good, I
also
did not like the composition of his bandwagon.
Thok wrote: I can support a PJ wagon also. As well as what people have mentioned about PJ, I also found some of Ibaesha's posts scummy; she voted for MBL (not so bad), then moved to bird when MBL was at -1 (deflecting a bandwagon from a strong member of the scum to a weaker member of the scum), then started going after Glork/Nightson.
dahen wrote: Sure, PJ could be something. As I said, Ibby shifted from MBL to Bird. If you think she would double-distance like that, I'm fine with a PJ vote.
Try putting yourself in Ibaesha’s shoes for a moment before you try to construe her actions into being something they are not. Ibby and I seem to think very much alike much of the time, so I have no problems whatsoever ‘defending’ her actions yesterday.
1.) Firstly, the game begins with eight votes on MBL, and for no discernable reason [other than for the sake of bandwagoning]. She finds it funny, but then Glork shouts “HAMMAH HAMMAH!”. This is wrong on multiple counts:
->
a.
There are multiple newer players in the forum who might have thought Glork was being serious (which he even seems to imply he
was
)
->
b.
There are some experienced players who might have hammered MBL just for the heck of it
->
c.
If “a” or “b”, the day would have had
zero
discussion, and there would have been practically no information to work off while going into Night Two and even Day Two.
So what does Ibby do? She backs off the wagon, taking away the opportunity for somebody to hammer and prematurely end Day One. And that’s
exactly
what I would do. I am super surprised that people are saying Ibby was trying to “deflect the wagon”. Ibby had three choices.
Read the following 3 points
:
->
a.
Leave her vote on MBL, therefore allowing him to stay at Lynch -1 territory. This would be awful, awful play, and I would find Ibby
more
suspicious if she had surreptitiously tried to silently keep her vote on somebody so close to lynch.
->
b.
She can unvote MBL, so as to preempt a hammering vote, and do nothing more.
This would be very un-Ibbylike
. When Ibby unvotes somebody, she wants to make sure her vote is
on somebody else
, so she can still directly influence the game and help hunt for scum. If Ibby had simply unvoted and not revoted, I would find Ibby
more
suspicious.
->
c.
She can unvote MBL,
and
present an alternative vote by searching for the worst person in the game up to that point. I agree with her that the worst player at that point in time was Bird1111 for placing MBl at lynch -1.
I still think this was her most optimal move possible as town
.
Not only did Ibaesha successfully make sure Day One did not end prematurely, but she in no way “kept the spotlight” off of MBL (thereby assuring he would not be able to slide under the radar), but also fingered a second scum by voting for Bird1111
. Calling that “scummy” is absolutely preposterous.
Furthermore, it is noteworthy to look at the voting pattern on MBL, as well as votes made after MBL had reached 8 votes:
Twito votes MrBuddyLee (1)
Ibaesha votes MrBuddyLee (2)
Glork votes MrBuddyLee (3)
Fritzler votes MrBuddyLee (4)
Klebian votes MrBuddyLee (5)
Nightson votes MrBuddyLee (6)
Cogito Ergo Sum unvotes Phoebus (2) and votes MrBuddyLee (7)
Bird1111 unvotes Bogre (0) and votes MrBuddyLee ( 8 )
Ibaesha unvotes MrBuddyLee (7) and votes Bird1111 (1)
InHimShallIBe votes MrBuddyLee ( 8 )
Save the Dragons unvotes Phoebus (1) and votes Glork (2)
Glork unvotes MrBuddyLee (7) and votes Bogre (1)
Save the Dragons unvotes Glork (1) and votes Bird1111 (2)
A number of things happened.
1.) Ibaesha (correctly) unvoted, and managed to finger a second scum, Bird1111.
2.) InHimShallIBe replaced the lynch -1 vote.
3.) Save the Dragons votes for Glork (funny how nobody says
this
is an attempt at “deflection”).
4.) Glork was the second person (after Ibaesha) to take MBL out of the hammering range,
after which people start unvoting MBL
. It was a combination of Glork and Ibaesha who managed to take the wagon off of MBL.
5.) Save the Dragons unvotes Glork to add a second vote to Bird1111 (again, nobody has tried calling this a “deflection” vote either, so I have noticed).
Once again: if Ibby had not "deflected" the wagon off of MBL, he would have stayed at eight votes indefinitely until hammered.
If Day One was going to continue, SOMEBODY was going to unvote MBL. Simply because it was Ibaesha, it does not make her (me) scum.
PPE:
Glork wrote: What gets me about Ibby isn't even the move from MBL to Bird; it's the way in which she attacked me afterwards. I've had a scumtell on Ibby for a while that when she's scum, she gets very tunnel-visioned on one or two people, to the point where she looks for excuses to continue voting/attacking them. I definitely got that vibe from her when she attacked me early in D1.
You really
aren’t
paying attention to this game. Try actually looking at Ibby’s posts instead of
saying
you’ve looked at Ibby’s posts.
Ibby only had 12 posts, and in those twelve posts, she managed to finger or vote for:
1.) MrBuddyLee
2.) Bird1111
3.) klebian
4.) Glork
5.) Nightson
That is hardly what I call “tunnel vision”. Try comparing Ibby’s posts to InHim’s posts. Seriously. Click the “view all posts” function and tell me what you see. Ibby was by no means focusing on one person. Simply because she
remained suspicious of one person
, that does not mean she was
focusing on one person
.
Glork wrote: Yesterday, PJ voiced suspicions against four people: Bird, Nightson, Klebian, and inHim. He voted Klebian and Nightson, gave a half-hearted explanation why he chose them over either of the other two, and pretty much ignored the rest of the situation.
Yesterday, I only had about one or two real-life days to do anything. I was not “ignoring the situation”; I was very much aware of the situation. I was willing to hammer Bird1111 if it looked like the alternative was No-Lynch. There was pretty much no way I could have ever successfully got a competing wagon out of Nightson had I tried, and to think I would seriously try to “stop” the Bird1111 by employing such a weak strategy is bogus. I believe I have covered my explanation of this (so far as it is ‘necessary’) throughout this post.
As it is, MBL turning up scum invalidates a few of my suspicions from Day One, so I will clearly have to read through the game again with this new information in mind when I can find time later.