Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

/ego post

[zMuffinMan]

Spoiler:

[zMuffinMan]

this is pretty good

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: Froot Loop

[zMuffinMan]

your face is an awful vote

[zMuffinMan]

LOL

you're voting Cho

you're either shit or scum

since that is all the wagon consists of

shit players and scum

[zMuffinMan]

and desp

[zMuffinMan]

and katsuki but cupcake is being cupcake's usual self

[zMuffinMan]

yes

also empking is town

[zMuffinMan]

it was clearly the result of having drawn a scum PM

i sincerely doubt that

[zMuffinMan]

it was clearly the result of having drawn a scum PM

i sincerely doubt that

*shrug*

i can do a pbpa and break down exactly why i think cho is town but i don't really see a point since i doubt you'd even read it, let alone care

[zMuffinMan]

also my reads so far look like

town: aggravatedalgebra, cho, katsuki, dv, tiphainedeath
maybe empking, maybe desp

froot loop looks like scum. bins could be scum. i would policy lynch nacho

rest unsorted

[zMuffinMan]

Shall we I would love nothing more than a Nacho V/LA lynch

i will auto-hammer any nacho wagon that reaches L-1 and my vote is always on nacho in spirit. but i doubt we can make it happen

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: Nacho

i believe katsuki. cupcake is probably actually a day cop and i believe cupcake has a result on nacho

[zMuffinMan]

i will explain TD's case in simple terms.

he tried baiting bins by faking a post number that wasn't actually a bins post. he did this because he assumes that town will correct his mistake, and scum will pretend to have gone back and checked but not actually go back and check so would not correct this mistake. it is silly and not good reasoning so i probably wouldn't give a shit about correcting a post number if i could guess what post the person was referring to, so it's a bad case

but it doesn't really matter

bins is still probably scum aside from that so it's not important

[zMuffinMan]

correct play when someone claims a day cop guilty early D1 is to quick lynch it and not ask questions

seriously, you guys need to go back to road to rome or something

[zMuffinMan]

there is a way to tell that katsuki is serious about cupcake's claim and this is not some silly gambit cupcake came up with

Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

would nacho fake a guilty on himself?

no?

then obviously katsuki wouldn't, so it must be real

[zMuffinMan]

i was a gimped 3rd party in lotr and i woulda spammed the thread with hangman regardless of my alignment

that game was shit and should never be recalled ever

[zMuffinMan]

o right it was an empking game

bad empking

most imbalanced 3rd party role ever

[zMuffinMan]

dont listen to bins, katsuki

she is scum so you should do the opposite of whatever she tells you to do

[zMuffinMan]

Is anyone listening to notsci at all?

i tend not to read aggravatedalgebra's posts when i can help it

[zMuffinMan]

did you know i look just like the main character of the youtube video you posted

[zMuffinMan]

aggravatedalgebra doesn't want to bus nacho

[zMuffinMan]

last game there was an ambiguous "result" that wasn't actually a result

this game there is a clear guilty from a confirmed town day cop

not difficult, guys

i'm starting to think katsuki and i are the only town players in this game

so many scum don't want to bus omg

[zMuffinMan]

i need to sleep. if i wake up to find nacho not lynched, i'm going to be disappointed

[zMuffinMan]

aggravated algebra

for someone who claims intimate knowledge of fakegod's mid meta, you're surprisingly dim-witted if you're assuming this is a 4scum game

[zMuffinMan]

VOTE: Nacho

town post

Vote: Nacho

town post

Yeah, really. Froot Loop is pretty obv Town.

you're voting cho and your reads are awful

you should feel fucking bad unless you're scum which is a very real possibility so maybe you don't feel bad

[zMuffinMan]

Sorry, I didn't get to finish my reread. After all, there was a shiny screechy thing in my way.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

obvtown post

I really don't get the Cho Town reads.

that's because, as scum, it is your job to prevent town players coming to a consensus on town reads

or you're really bad

either or

Brian
Muffin
Cho
SK

l o l

[zMuffinMan]

Does try to lolwagon nacho make sense for a D1 scum plan

yes

obviously

[zMuffinMan]

Well, if I were on a scumteam with muffins and brian, we'd totally lolwagon to do our best to break down the town clusterfuck that was you guys and draw attention to ourselves instead..

no. drawing attention to yourself is exactly what scum does. stop trying to wifom

[zMuffinMan]

Bins I need to talk to muffin about

i am not confident about it. just she's doing nothing town and could be scum. i have a lot of town reads elsewhere, though, and she's not one of them

[zMuffinMan]

also RC is town (probably), TD is town, cho is town

[zMuffinMan]

Bins I need to talk to muffin about

i am not confident about it. just she's doing nothing town and could be scum. i have a lot of town reads elsewhere, though, and she's not one of them

Hm. She reads 'innocent girl' to me which isn't particularly alignment indicative but I'm not getting scumvibes from her at least.

yeah. well the initial read came from the fact that she doesn't look like she's trying to actually

do

anything in this game so i get what you mean by 'innocent girl'

she could be town, i suppose - i'm not particularly interested in pursuing her any time soon

if i had a day vig shot i would prob shoot froot loop or konowa

[zMuffinMan]

sala could go either way
konowa is dumb or scum - both real possibilities
desp town?
katsuki confirmed town day cop
sleepykrew could be town, i suppose, his tone and play feels really off this game even though i know it's partially intentional
nacho scum via confirmed town day cop
aggravatedalgebra is town even though its reads are pretty bad
zmuffinman is just this dude
brian could be town, maybe? i haven't seen his scum game since cash cabd and this is reminding me a little of it but i can't really pinpoint why
cho town
dv town
empking could be town
bins innocent girl
redcoyote town probably
nati nati
froot loop probably scum
td town

Why is RC town though? He makes me waver in my path of righteousness

i think that's just a RC thing more than an alignment thing

if you look at it and think about it coming from RC, it looks more like a town entrance than a scum entrance. also hated in fakegod game

[zMuffinMan]

keep in mind i've read a RC game where he knew someone was confirmed town via not hammering a townie and was still wavering on who the last scum was

[zMuffinMan]

not just wavering, he was considering voting the confirmed town player iirc

[zMuffinMan]

VOTE: Nachomamma8 due to Kat's claim. If Nacho is town, we can lynch Kat tomorrow.

tbh i don't really think this is a stance scum blatantly take over throwing dirt on the claim or going "lol is dat real!?"

Is that an admission?

and i think this is just a RC thing or something

i dunno RC comes across as a super-serious-no-fun-in-mafia-games type of guy so i don't have the issue with those posts that i would have if they came from someone else

[zMuffinMan]

yeah it was bad. if it came from pretty much any other player in this player list i'd probably want it deader than dead

and also i don't really want nacho to come in here and whisper sweet nothings into my ear and look at me with his puppy dog eyes and make me not want to put him down

[zMuffinMan]

worked in event card

[zMuffinMan]

wtf why would you power lynch a claimed friendly neighbor

btw

most satisfying nacho lynch ever

[zMuffinMan]

did you call shotgun on the hammer though?

[zMuffinMan]

if not, shotgun

[zMuffinMan]

is there any reason not to mass neighbourhood claim early in this game, btw?

[zMuffinMan]

Unvote

[zMuffinMan]

nacho am i town

aggravtedalgebra said im not and im starting to believe it because it seems to be really on the ball with reads

[zMuffinMan]

it does

[zMuffinMan]

let's go with

Vote: Froot Loop

for now

[zMuffinMan]

i don't really want to look through nacho's glass atm

[zMuffinMan]

who the fuck cares about guilties when lynching nacho?

he's a vi

only reason to keep him alive is he's a vi with a pr

[zMuffinMan]

VI (noun)
[

nah

-choh-mah-

muh

-eyt]

1. someone who is nacho
ex. "wow, that guy sure plays like nacho. what a VI!"

[zMuffinMan]

i don't think it matters seeing as he claimed alignment-cop and it's likely there is a variant of an alignment-cop in this game and unless someone else wants to claim it, we can just let it sort itself out

though i'm pretty sure regardless of nacho's alignment, he knows you're not an alignment-cop

[zMuffinMan]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... for%20gold

[zMuffinMan]

I'm not baking muffins until the cupcake's done.

i don't think there will be any baking of muffins this game

[zMuffinMan]

How did you plan on figuring out his alignment

i can answer that

tea leaves

[zMuffinMan]

reading your posts makes me feel empty inside

[zMuffinMan]

everything you write looks fake

[zMuffinMan]

Ok, that's a bit of a downer. Is there something you want to talk about so I can explain it or clarify?

OK. let's pretend that you've actually given at least one contribution to this game in terms of reads, stances, opinions on anything

why don't you talk about your reads. all of them. and while you're at it, talk about your cho vote and how that has or hasn't developed since you originally voted her for... magical reasons or something

[zMuffinMan]

The Cho thing is about him giving two explanations for the same action in thread. Especially considering the first explanation was that the mistake was accidental.

i think this is your reasoning for voting cho?

[zMuffinMan]

also i've only played one game with froot loop so i'm nowhere near certain if this means anything, but this is totally different from ffery's game in terms of approach to the game, behaviour, etc

(even before the day cop stuff, the play was entirely different)

[zMuffinMan]

also i've only played one game with froot loop so i'm nowhere near certain if this means anything, but this is totally different from ffery's game in terms of approach to the game, behaviour, etc

(even before the day cop stuff, the play was entirely different)

Would she get jumpy at the slightest expressed suspicion?

i dunno, it's not a long ISO

i don't remember her coming under much suspicion until later in the game

i guess #956 from that game is the first response to her being voted because prior to that (which was like... D3? i don't remember, i was dead by then) she hadn't been voted all game

[zMuffinMan]

Questionable: katsuki, zMuffinMan, Cho, bins

talk more about these

[zMuffinMan]

My gut told me the daycop was probably fake

your gut is pretty insightful

i was convinced it was real the whole time

[zMuffinMan]

You fervently supported the lynch on nacho, which could have been genuine or maybe not (the support.)

. . . . .

you said bins was scum but didn't say why, you posted about other investigative roles

yes i did and i don't even know what the second part means

[zMuffinMan]

ya im a cult recruiter and recruited FG N0

speaking of believable claims, i just realised that katsuki claimed cult recruiter

maybe he's not a day cop, maybe he's a cult recruiter

makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[zMuffinMan]

i don't think it really matters

since you recruited fakegod, he's just going to make you unlynchable

[zMuffinMan]

Froot Loop
Reads on Katsuki and Nacho with reasoning GOGO

Well there's nothing to say about nacho.

There was a time when I was thinking that we were going to wait until nacho got back to have some kind of discussion.* It's true that I didn't say anything explicitly in the thread so I just kind of took Katsuki being a little annoying. I still think that's the best plan of action.

Other than that, if we get down to a claiming/face-off stage then maybe that's what will need to happen so we can make a decision.

*The kind of discussion I'm thinking about is impossible when nacho hasn't contributed to the thread. His opinions, relationships with other players, comparing that to Katsuki's (opinions and relationships with other players,) maybe nacho has a demonstrable ability etc.

I don't see anything about a Katsuki read in that post Froot Loop

Ok, I have some questions about Katsuki's play but he's claimed cop so there's nothing much more. Whether or not his cop-claim is true will have a big effect on my read of him and I can't make a decision on that until nacho's said something.

Here let me tell you what Nacho will say: "Katsuki is lying" or "I'm a miller"
What do those do to your Katsuki read?
Obviously the veracity of his claim will affect your read. When I'm asking for a read on him, I'm essentially asking if you believe the claim or not.

Why do we need to lynch him now? There are many possibilities of things that can happen, why remove them from the equation by lynching him immediately? I don't feel comfortable lynching someone who has posted twice in this game. That has no implication on my read or whatever of Katsuki. Nacho is coming back tomorrow. The only people who benefit from a quicklynch are scum, whether or not nacho is scum.

Is it likely that a scum player is just going to come into a game and, completely unsolicited, give a guilty read? There's stuff here I don't know about like reputation but it's more than risky. You're saying that a possible lynch is being weighed against certain death.

This is 100% town and if you can't see this then I don't love you as much as I thought I did.

Nacho

If your love for me is so fickle it could be lost over something so trivial, then perhaps we were never truly in love to begin with

Also the above posts are almost about a null as null can be

They're so null that they'd be scummy if coming from someone I knew to be more competent. They are the type of things id say if I knew a town player was fake claiming a guilty on a town player

[zMuffinMan]

Are you kidding when I don't post no one posts

i was waiting for nacho to do something

but all nacho does is lie to me

[zMuffinMan]

purely based on the fact that nati and i are never the same alignment, nati could be scum

[zMuffinMan]

ur r0ng sleepy

[zMuffinMan]

i dont think hes scum though

[zMuffinMan]

i dunno

doesn't really look like scum

the case is shit, though

[zMuffinMan]

i don't even really know if froot loop is scum, enough that i'd chain mislynches. i had plans to put in effort into this game but now i am doing other stuff so maybe i'll read stuff tonight and think about what i wanna do here.

[zMuffinMan]

i dunno. it feels like he's tryharding this game but it doesn't feel like tryhard in a scum way, if ya know what i mean?

he doesn't really feel like scum is the best answer i have

*shrug*

[zMuffinMan]

but scar was a scum fuck so im pretty sure you just claimed scum, noddy

[zMuffinMan]

im town

[zMuffinMan]

i usually say that in every game regardless of my alignment but this time i'm serious

this is my serious face



i'm town

[zMuffinMan]

i would not enjoy your scum flip sleepy

it would make the game too easy

[zMuffinMan]

I will never use the word "Ergo" in on mafiascum unless I'm being facetious

i use it all the time and i dont know what facetious means but im guessing it means im a dickhead or something

in which case fuck you, intent to hammer

[zMuffinMan]

i used ergo because i think rowing machines are cool

[zMuffinMan]

sleepykrew who is scum that isn't katsuki

Do you even regatta

yes, of course, i love cox

[zMuffinMan]

well not since high school but my love of cox remains the same

[zMuffinMan]

i just said im town though

[zMuffinMan]

your look-into list isn't shit. it's just... not not-shit if ya kna waim sayin'

do you have town reads on everyone else

[zMuffinMan]

i mean there's probably a scum player in that list

if only because odds indicate any list of that many names is likely to contain scum

[zMuffinMan]

fuck your avatar is so scummy

[zMuffinMan]

sry just i was writing a decently long reply to you and then i looked at it and i was like fuck it

[zMuffinMan]

maybe you should try to get someone who is actually scum lynched?

[zMuffinMan]

what is the difference in terms of consequences? it's the same number of lynches anyway

i dont really feel like lynching you even despite your avatar

[zMuffinMan]

you said you weren't sure about me a while ago

did i

[zMuffinMan]

there's a number of people in this playerlist who im actually not sure at all about either way and wouldn't be sad to see them dead

[zMuffinMan]

well mainly just konowa, bins, froot loop

maybe nati but nati

maybe brian but brian

[zMuffinMan]

You keep saying you don't want to lynch me but you're putting in about as much effort as I am into actually changing anything

i am not in a yelling mood this game

i am a soft-spoken diplomat

and my enthusiasm for preventing a lynch on someone who doesn't even care wanes quickly

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah

no

[zMuffinMan]

you look like there's a fire lit under you tbh

[zMuffinMan]

you dont seem happy about it either

[zMuffinMan]

is it wifom if i say you haven't changed your scummy-as-fuck avatar yet so you probably don't care that you look scummy-as-fuck which is more of a town trait than a scum trait

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: Konowa

this is a pressure vote because i heard announcing pressure votes is a good tactic or something

[zMuffinMan]

[zMuffinMan]

feel the pressure, scumfuck

[zMuffinMan]

I've been anointed, notscience

That means you must bow down before me or something

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: Konowa

this is a pressure vote because i heard announcing pressure votes is a good tactic or something

Vote: Konowa

I am sheeping Muffin because I heard he is a good player.

i don't even think muffin is right about konowa though

who does nacho think is scum? i wanna sheep him

[zMuffinMan]

muffin does this thing where he tries to one-up Brian (such as the wall in that game)

not really. i mean i've done it like.... 3 times, i guess. and that was only when i felt like walling and brian was in the game and he walls a lot and so i figured "fuck it, i'll show you what a wall *actually* looks like"

there hadn't been a shitton of interaction between the two of them

*shrug* there hasn't been a shitton of activity from brian

[zMuffinMan]

gotta keep annoying noddy

Vote: Bins

[zMuffinMan]

noddy

Spoiler:

naomi killed seiko

[zMuffinMan]

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT

GOOD JOB SHIFTING THE WAGON AWAY FROM SANTYSCUM AND OUTTING A MASON

WELL FUCKING DONE

to be honest i never even intended for the wagon to go anywhere

i am surprised he claimed and didn't even notice it til i read this post lol

[zMuffinMan]

that said, i feel so little remorse at making konowa a good NK target that i don't care

[zMuffinMan]

how do people feel about a D1 massclaim?

[zMuffinMan]

btw, did anyone else point out the grammar error in the town win con to fakegod?

im really town for paying close attention to the town win con fyi

not because i was paying attention to a fake-claim or anything like that

[zMuffinMan]

wat

[zMuffinMan]

i was not-so-subtly trying to indicate that making konowa a viable NK target is never a bad thing

i believe the claim. it also doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out who tweedledee is, either, but hush, hush, etc

[zMuffinMan]

So are we back to lynching me

: |

wipe that frown off your face, sleepy. it takes more muscles to frown than smile or something like that

[zMuffinMan]

i fucking swear

i read half of sleepy's posts like he's marvin from the hitchhiker series

i feel so depressed

[zMuffinMan]

i would assume that was nati running with it, but even if it wasn't, that is what nati will now claim it was

[zMuffinMan]

congrats on your first time?

[zMuffinMan]

only town meta people though so sleepy is town

[zMuffinMan]

i dont think anyone actually cares what you call it tbh

[zMuffinMan]

is that a scum claim sleepy?

omg

cant believe i defended you

[zMuffinMan]

good point

i wouldn't put it past FakeGod to include a scum mason and Konowa never actually claimed town

[zMuffinMan]

Katsuki who do we go for after mislynching sleepy? If I like the answer I might say fuck it

[zMuffinMan]

gotta keep annoying noddy

Vote: Bins

Vote: Bins

I am sheeping Muffin because I heard he is a good player.

Nacho why are you ignoring me? I asked who nacho thinks is scum so we can sheep him

[zMuffinMan]

who is scum noddy

[zMuffinMan]

fuck if I know

me neither but nacho wont tell me who to vote

[zMuffinMan]

im not even particularly confident about bins being scum but i dont have any other solid leads

too little content from a lot of players

[zMuffinMan]

well i dont particularly want to lynch sleepy even though better players are calling him scum/my

if not bins, i dunno

[zMuffinMan]

i suppose one of nati / sala but theyre just shots in the dark tbh

[zMuffinMan]

My flavour is a Black Kitten.

is that your title or your flavour?

[zMuffinMan]

he's not nearly as town as he thinks he is

how town do i think i am

[zMuffinMan]

Let's put this cheeky scumfuck in his place and shock him with a day 1 lynch

nah

see, i can claim scum here and there's not a whole lot you can actually do to get me lynched

you are prob better off trying to guess who i'm scum with over trying to get me lynched

wanna guess?

[zMuffinMan]

Unvote

[zMuffinMan]

i think bins is canonically related to me

i cannot lynch family

[zMuffinMan]

well i dont really think bins is scum so whatever i just dont know who i want to lynch today

[zMuffinMan]

if i dont vote nacho has to do something first and then i can sheep that

[zMuffinMan]

or we play the mafia vote version of chicken til the deadline

first to vote loses

[zMuffinMan]

e

[zMuffinMan]

i wouldn't be too miffed with it in all honesty

the lynch options right now don't appeal to me so i'm contemplating last minute choo-choo or waiting to see what nacho does

[zMuffinMan]

sala wagon? sala wagon can never be a bad thing ime

[zMuffinMan]

but if nati is town ill feel bad. i wont feel bad about pretty much anyone else flipping town in a worst case scenario

[zMuffinMan]

he's actually town this time though why would you want to lynch town??? are you scum?

is there an answer i could give to this that you'd believe?

[zMuffinMan]

Sleep do you want me to vote you?

[zMuffinMan]

playing games and not giving a shit about this

who's scum

[zMuffinMan]

i dont wanna sheep nacho he never gets scum reads right

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: No Lynch

[zMuffinMan]

i have a good feeling about this one nacho, sheep me?

[zMuffinMan]

why would we hammer an innocent child?

[zMuffinMan]

we should continue the MD discussion about self-voting here

is it right for sleepy to self-hammer here?

y/n?

[zMuffinMan]

1hr26mins. what will happen?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[zMuffinMan]

no im not

[zMuffinMan]

no i dont

[zMuffinMan]

no, i really don't

[zMuffinMan]

no, i really don't

Moreover, this is the point where, whenever I express suspicion of muffin, he calls me a dumbass.

He isn't, because his position this game is a lot more volatile.

honestly couldn't care less

[zMuffinMan]

have fun with that

[zMuffinMan]

pretend you have reasons to think im scum

[zMuffinMan]

well the second option is continue doing what you're doing and hope people go, "hey, that dude is voting muffin, maybe he's onto something!" i guess

i don't really care, tbh

[zMuffinMan]

i would have known you're lying because i'm a godfather

[zMuffinMan]

i could have just claimed and we'd lynch you for lying

[zMuffinMan]

i dont remember anything youve said or done this game

[zMuffinMan]

i would listen to nati tbh, what with his intimate knowledge of the differences between my town and scum play (that I myself do not possess and thus am unable to emulate the differences) and his proven track record of reading me correctly in games

[zMuffinMan]

oh and i called empking town with his two very town-looking first posts and that was a pretty serious read and definitely how id interact with a scum buddy

also can't forget DV and his brilliant case against me. i would address each of his points but omg there's just so many of them i wouldnt even know where to begin

i really need to step up my scum game in the future so im not caught this easily

[zMuffinMan]

am i scum with you, katsuki

Please don't answer that it was rhetorical and only meant for DV to answer becUse he's super good at finding scum and I trust his opinion and ability to read the game

Hey D v and I scum with Katsuki

Please tell me so I know whether of not to distance here

[zMuffinMan]

i would listen to nati tbh, what with his intimate knowledge of the differences between my town and scum play (that I myself do not possess and thus am unable to emulate the differences) and his proven track record of reading me correctly in games

It's true I can't read you!

But your lack of cheesiness and telling me no is telling me yes!

oh yes you know just all the aspects of my scum game and what id do here as scum I knew I was doomed

WHY FAKEGOD? WHY you make me scum against people with such amazing accuracy in reading me

It's simply not fair

First random cop, then grammar error and to top it all off unfair teams

[zMuffinMan]

The grammar error was the worst part too

[zMuffinMan]

yes that means i am totally unaware of my own meta and therefore do not have any idea what to do as scum to make it look like im town omg fuck i should have known id never be able to imitate town stuff that i am aware of and i certainly have no idea how to do stuff that looks town that's for sure

[zMuffinMan]

WHY FAKEGOD? WHY you make me scum against people with such amazing accuracy in reading me

It's simply not fair

First random cop, then grammar error and to top it all off unfair teams

btw fakegod

i sincerely apologise for lashing out at you like this (even though it truly is hard to forgive the grammar error) and i just want you to know i am not mad at you for making me scum here because i took a walk and i calmed down a little and i started to see the silver lining. in future games it will be super obvious when im town and when im scum because people are able to tell the difference now!

[zMuffinMan]

muffin should not be up for consideration before D5.

Is this supposed to be serious?

Yes, I win if muffin is alive at the start of D5.

bad luck then, i suppose

[zMuffinMan]

RC is still the most optimal vig shot. He's scummy as hell and even if you think there's the small chance he could be town, he needs to die sooner rather than later just based on his claim. And if my death needs to happen before the vig shoots him, then so be it.

i actually agree with this post, tbh

though really, all three of DV, sala and RC should not be allowed to make it anywhere near lylo, even though at least one of them is town

tbh i am perfectly fine with being lynched as long as there's a guarantee that these three names are chain-lynched or vig-killed afterwards

[zMuffinMan]

Nah, IG just means she's naive. She can still be scum

probably not. there are two reasons for this. one of them is super obvious if you think about it for about two seconds.

[zMuffinMan]

understanding of the suspicion

oh yes, all zero of the points that have been raised against me are very compelling

[zMuffinMan]

DV you shouldn't be anywhere near lylo because your entire legacy this game is calling me scum so you're fucking awful or scum

simple as that

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin on the other hand, is really aggressive about it but doesn't actually do anything.

should do a death pact

katsuki can be responsible for enforcing it

if youre so sure im scum, then bet your life on it. you die tomorrow.

you can ignore this in the event im scum

otherwise, with katsuki (and everyone else alive) as the witness(es), you die the day after me

[zMuffinMan]

Here's the thing: muffin does not cowtow like this as town. He simply doesn't. He's being deliberately manipulative and not even subtle about it.

But all you psychos are getting distracted by the most blatant gambitter and posts from the beginning of the game. Jesus, pay attention.

tbh, there's a handful of players on this site who can *actually* spot differences between my town and scum play and the only one that was in this game that i would be worried about eventually figuring it out was nacho. bluntly, none of you are good enough at mafia to catch me as scum

[zMuffinMan]

btw that votecount is inaccurate since Td is voting me, so im l-1

vote: zmuffinman