The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[PeregrineV]

pirate Mollie

Caught outside of a hydra!!

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: pirate Mollie

Caught outside of a hydra!!


Uggh, I hate playing on a phone.

[PeregrineV]

I disapprove of AtE in any form.

Vote: MyOtherHeadIsScum

[PeregrineV]

Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

What are you talking about?
You have never seen me play scum.

~FireTown

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.
However, it almost always feels tactical- like now.

[PeregrineV]

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.

However, it almost always feels tactical- like now

.

can you give me an example?
i'm a bit confused by this

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regarding SC, I get why people are voting him but i'm not overly convinced. we'll see.

54 and 55

[PeregrineV]

before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

I, too, would like to know the point of the question.

Pretty sure there is no reason to claim this early.

[PeregrineV]

YAW probably would of put more effort into the defense if they were buddies with SC.

I don't know. I tend to think the exact opposite.

I could see him slightly defending his buddy to test the waters or what not, but if he doesn't gain any traction on his defense, I'd expect him to back off.

So not really a sheep vote, huh?

[PeregrineV]

YAW probably would of put more effort into the defense if they were buddies with SC.

I don't know. I tend to think the exact opposite.

I could see him slightly defending his buddy to test the waters or what not, but if he doesn't gain any traction on his defense, I'd expect him to back off.

So not really a sheep vote, huh?

If I agree with someone's reasoning, and vote with them because of it, is that not sheeping?

Not in my book. Sheeping usually involves some sort of trust in the other other player, however temporary. Agreeing with someone's reasoning is just that.

Alright, so I've mostly skimmed to catch up.

I saw the cases against Cakez, YAW, and something about Mollie being scum (but I forgot what it was now), is there anything important that I missed?

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

[PeregrineV]

I guess I should be happy that this stayed at a manageable number of pages over the weekend while I on V/LA …

Personally I’d support a lynch on Other Head simply to stanch the flow of spammy shitposting from the Fire head.

Also anyone who wants to give Beeboy Town cred for shitposting can fight me also …

VOTE: Iprobably - the response to a single vote from Maxous at 36 is “Why Me” which needs rope. And then disappears into the backgroup. Note too busy to actually provide content but not too busy to say “I’m too busy”.

@Maverick

– if you liked Maxous’s points ( 35 ) why didn’t you vote Iprob?

@Cakez

– so coming off Science Upick where a not-insignficant reason for the scum sweep was your 100% derp Town meta read on Radiant please sell me on why you would lean heavily on meta for a Vedith Town read. Did you just not learn a single thing from that game or were you scum trying to force a Town read early?

@Catdog

– Any particular reason you are buddying Molly I should be aware of?

I’m inclinded to lean BBT as scum for actually being engaged in the game thus far. I’ve never seen BBT engaged Day 1 before as Town.

--

what is the scum to town ratio of your games so far?

Kuroi’s Alignment in Completed Games –

Town (14/13) – Open 643, Large Theme Mass Effect Mafia, Open 644 (Replaced Out but Town Slot), Micro 620, Micro 609 (Times two, Town on both Worlds), Mini Theme 1773 Symphonic Metal, Open 634, Micro 602, Mini Theme 1778 Buzzfeed, Open 627, Open 625, Open 630, Newbie 1671,

Scum (4 ) – Mini Theme 1795 Science UPick, Mini Theme 1794 Gunslingers, Micro 589, Large Theme A Song of Fire and Ice

3rd Party (0 ) – None

So there are the non Marathon statistics for you. The split on Town is if you consider his double Town alignment in Micor 609 as two Town slots or one. I eagerly await the scintillating output on Kuroi’s alignment this info provides from you.

before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

Yeah after seeing this I’m very interested to see your input based on Kuroi’s games …

We will butt heads this game. It seems like it's destiny.

But not right now- +1 on all of this.

[PeregrineV]

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Where? I don't remember any AtE. I just remember FB making his usual D1 troll posts.

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.

However, it almost always feels tactical- like now

.

can you give me an example?
i'm a bit confused by this

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regarding SC, I get why people are voting him but i'm not overly convinced. we'll see.

54 and 55

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Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Where? I don't remember any AtE. I just remember FB making his usual D1 troll posts.

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.

However, it almost always feels tactical- like now

.

can you give me an example?
i'm a bit confused by this

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regarding SC, I get why people are voting him but i'm not overly convinced. we'll see.

54 and 55

I'd call that pretty null for FB.

In order for it to have been tactical, like you said, there would need to be something to gain from it, and I'm not seeing how that's the case in those two posts.

And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

[PeregrineV]

I mean, they are mild annoyance at the fact i am always null read PeregrineV.
Can you explain your thought process on a strategic AtE when I am not being scumread or pushed by anyone and its 4-5 pages into Day 1?

I am trying to understand why you think I would "strategic AtE" this early as scum.

~Fire

Kind of like I'm trying to figure out

any

annoyance at being null read. On Page 3. Of a large game.

[PeregrineV]

Please elaborate. I’m curious why you think this is if you think that post is on point.

Historically we have.

Maybe this time will be different. We'll see.

[PeregrineV]

17478

Kiss my ass.

[PeregrineV]

`Who or what is UTL?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Iprobablysuck

[PeregrineV]

`Who or what is UTL?

UpTooLate

Half of the CatDog hydra.

I don't feel the urge to try and resolve all my nulls this early in the game, but might make an exception here.

[PeregrineV]

What's that supposed to mean?

I see lots of refernces to UTL. I don't have a read on CatDog yet.

[PeregrineV]

Iso of CatDog puts them squarely at null- they have "reads" by not reasons behind them. There is one post that might be pointing something out, but I can't parse it.

Iso of Young and Witless looks like they are scumhunting. They are a slight townlean.

I haven't looked at Cake yet, but CatDog's case on Young looks to be that Young thinks Cake is town and CatDog finds that scummy...?

Vote: CatDog

[PeregrineV]

I haven't looked at Cake yet, but CatDog's case on Young looks to be that Young thinks Cake is town and CatDog finds that scummy...?

Pere not liking you this game at all

Am I wrong?

[PeregrineV]

So you have a full Large game going on here and you decide to vote a Null read? Is that what I just read here?

Who is scum Pere?

They were only null until I isoed them.

Dunno yet. I have some people I like as town. But that's not set in stone.

[PeregrineV]

Isoed Young and Witless- feels more town than scum, because they are trying to figure people out. Different criteria than I would use, but whatever.

[PeregrineV]

> lack of a reason to town-read them. does anybody town-read them?

On the town side of null, yes.

[PeregrineV]

I haven't looked at Cake yet, but CatDog's case on Young looks to be that Young thinks Cake is town and CatDog finds that scummy...?

Vote: CatDog

Wow. That is so far off base it's not even funny. It's the

way

they defended him at the very beginning that was shit. Their reasoning that he was really trying hard to move the game forward or whatever because cakez asked where the other 16 people were was bullshit. Because he asked that when he was getting pressured. He was diverting attention and it was obvious. Them townreading him for THAT and the way they were fumbling around trying to explain it after being pressured on it are all really bad.

You asked why he townread Cake, and he gave you a REASON.

The fact that one exists at all inclines me to town- since he is saying WHY he townread him.

You see the pattern here?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine what are your current reads and why?

Townlean
14. TiphaineDeath (strongest)- I like thier posting
3. Ankamius beeboy- feels town (ank posts)
12. Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra)- trying to figure people out

Null
1. BlueBloodedToffee- I have nothing on. They seem to be tunneling, but meh,
2. SirCakez- nope
4. KuroiXHF- made some readble posts, but not memeorable
6. farside22 Iprobablysuck- just got here. wow me
7. hebichan- about the same as most
8. Maverick1102- posted something I didnt love or hate
9. DrippingGoofball- Hasnt posted enough
13. MagnaofIllusion- Hasnt posted enough
16. Xkfyu- posted something I didnt love or hate
17. Wisdom- Hasnt posted enough
18. Maxous-posted something I didnt love or hate

scumlean
5. pirate mollie- Acted liek there was something there, but then hasn't since, slight
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)*- early ATE, but slight at best

[PeregrineV]

@MoI- Here.

Young and witless is probably scum, whether cakes is or not. The explanation of cakes as town without the explanation of me as scum in his post 166 167 171 and 172 is scum posting.

@cakes #180 dude, you know why I am so tired right now. We can talk about it later, but yes, it is good enough xD.

Molls post#182 is fucking terrible, might be scum, or just mollie being mollie, dunno.

My other head is scum gets major town points if/when Y&W flips scum for post #186.

So does cat dog, on the same theory, for like, ALL, his posts.

Kuroi is weird and defensive though, interaction with moll and post 215, dunno, maybe moll is on to something?

I like mavericks post #222 because he thinks like I do, even if I don’t agree with the conclusion.

Molls 235 is also shit though X_X. Moll why????

PV is bothering to post, so he is probably town (:P).

MOI is my lord and savior for those couple posts,(248ish?) I may end up sheeping him, but probably not because I don’t make a god sheep. Very town though.

@MOI 268

Eh, fair point, I should probably be voting Y+W right now, I may get around to that shortly, but cakes irritates me.

Kuroi’s 280 is self-conscious and straight up scum-posting he definitely goes in my scum pile

Cakes transition between 283 and 289 is terrible, feels like he is pulling reads out of his ass, and calling what I said hand-waving is either completely fucking moronic or scummy, he can take his pick. It’s just on-going game BS so I’m not going to get in to it anymore. (His weird ass note on PV here makes it likely that if cakes flips scum PV is too, and yes PV adapts his meta, he lurks a lot as scum, but he’s also a damn good player in either role, don’t rely on that shit.)

If mollie or Cakes flips scum I’m going to let the other one be town in my book for pretty much ever given the way pressure come in to being on molls during the cakes(and kind of Y&W) wagon round post 290 or so.

I like Xkyfu’s reactions with hebi and cake, he can be town.

I don’t really like the way cakes unvoted me either, though he is following MOI so I suppose I can’t be too irritated (post 315)

Current piles in no particular order look like

Towney: CatDog(UpTooLate/hiplop hydra), PeregrineV, MagnaofIllusion, Xkfyu
Scummy: SirCakez, pirate mollie, Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra), KuroiXHF
IDGAF: The rest of you.

MAverick #420 is a terrible post, that is all, carry on.

I haven't even gone back and clicked through everything to see if I agree or disagree with it, but ti's there to do so in the future. I think it's town to do that.

That doesn't mean your posts do not, but you have a different style.

[PeregrineV]

14. TiphaineDeath (strongest)- I like thier posting
13. MagnaofIllusion- Hasnt posted enough
17. Wisdom- Hasnt posted enough

Please reconcile these claims given the following from the Activity Overview –

Wisdom Aug 06, 05:10am Aug 15, 03:14am 0 days 10 hours 31
MagnaofIllusion Aug 06, 01:31pm Aug 15, 12:23pm 0 days 1 hour 23
TiphaineDeath Aug 06, 12:25pm Aug 11, 04:53pm 3 days 20 hours 9

I do not see a path to reads on Wisdom or myself as Null for “Not posting enough” that allows for a “Strongest Town read” on TD when she has less than ½ my posts and 1/3 Wisdoms.

And before you make the “Postcount does not mean content” response I would like you to with a straight face suggest that TD has in her 9 posts provided more content than I have in my 23.

As for wisdom, do a word count and get back to me.

[PeregrineV]

2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

I have nothing on whether you are scum or town. Every game that I remember playing with you, you've been town, but that's some sort of fallacy to assume it's the same this game.

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2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

I do like the vote, though. What brought it about?

[PeregrineV]

As for wisdom, do a word count and get back to me.

Remind me to wall when i roll scum against you

As long as it's informative....

[PeregrineV]

Prod dodge, basically. Will catch up tonight/tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Prodded- I'm here.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry guys, havent read the last 30 pages of day2, but did look over Hebichan ISO.

Vote: KuroiXHF

Hebi attacked him as scum, flipped his opinion the next week.

[PeregrineV]

Hebi attacked him as scum, flipped his opinion the next week.

And?

It's suspicious.

[PeregrineV]

No it isnt

Because......

[PeregrineV]

So again – none of Kuroi, MOHIS, farside or Ank are getting lynch today. If you dislike it I’m sorry but it doesn’t make any sense given the development of Day 1.

Reading Hebichan, I suspect Kuroi.

Reading why you think he's not scumbuddy, I sort of get. But disagree.

Looking at votecount, he parked on on Hebi on the basis of vibe or gut (150) and stayed the entire day. Don't like that part.

But, I did like 150 overall, and like the pushback on Mollie.

So, fine. But

[PeregrineV]

@PV?
In post 1893, PeregrineV wrote:
Sorry guys, havent read the last 30 pages of day2, but did look over Hebichan ISO.

Vote: KuroiXHF

Hebi attacked him as scum, flipped his opinion the next week.


Hebichan flipped her opinion ALOT. And Kuroi actually called her out on it i believe. Hebichan was on Kuroi, Mollie and YAW any wagon that was really going.
He never really wavered in his approach to Hebichan. He just got less shouty about it over time? Should one sit on someone they feel is scum the rest of the day when its rarely, if ever, addressed by someone else?

On a side note, can you show me where the flip of opinion happened? I couldnt find it from Kuroi's ISO. I dont see how its relevant from Hebi's point of view and I DONT like having to search for things that arent there.
Hoping to have misunderstood.

I was talking about Hebi's flip on Kuroi.

Spoiler:

hm

UNVOTE: KuroiXHF

@mollie: convince me on YAW?

What was this sudden unvote about, Ank? It seemed kinda awkward.

I mean, even I let off on kuroi after awhile. I admit after rereading a lot of his content, he is probably town.

To be fair, that wasn't the best week for me when I posted all that.

@Max

– please remind me of your Cakez read please.

i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I think as far as purposefully vague to position oneself though, this one is a good candidate for such a prospect.

PirateMollie just also had a nice ATE with the "of but I'm trying to be nice" deal.

Current Scum Reads



YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

Town
Wisdom
Farside
PV
XKfyu
Catdog
BBT

Townlead
kuroi
sircakez
ankamius

scumlean
otherhead

null
basic

I am kind of ignoring specific wagons, and looking for more of why he was taking his stances. His whole ISO is pretty light on reasoning, but that one stood out because of the full reversal for no reason I could find.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry guys, havent read the last 30 pages of day2, but did look over Hebichan ISO.

Vote: KuroiXHF

Hebi attacked him as scum, flipped his opinion the next week.

wouldn't that lead to the OPPOSITE conclusion?

No. Why does he bother to do that?

if you're going down as a scum lynch and have already comitted to calling your buddy scum, you generally keep the distancing going

Except that current site meta is that 5% go back and read scum posts looking for stuff. I happen to do that when I can.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry guys, havent read the last 30 pages of day2, but did look over Hebichan ISO.

Vote: KuroiXHF

Hebi attacked him as scum, flipped his opinion the next week.

wouldn't that lead to the OPPOSITE conclusion?

if you're going down as a scum lynch and have already comitted to calling your buddy scum, you generally keep the distancing going

That's kind of the way Hebi treated you.

Spoiler:

Hebichan feels backtrack-y, voting Kuroi then mollie imemdiately and seemingly trying to play down her Kuroi read. Her explanation in 320 technically makes sense, but it feels super contrived. Then she tries to wave away Kuroi's arguments in 333, and she says in 342 that her scumread on Kuroi never got any better despite admitting that he hadn't done anything scummy since her vote on him.

she had a scum-read on Kuroi.
She got a bigger scum-read on Mollie and switched her vote while still thinking Kuroi is scummy.
what's the issue??

i don't see how #320 is contrived, spell it out for me please.

@mollie.

Yes, I think you are both scum.

@Max

– please remind me of your Cakez read please.

i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I think as far as purposefully vague to position oneself though, this one is a good candidate for such a prospect.

PirateMollie just also had a nice ATE with the "of but I'm trying to be nice" deal.

Current Scum Reads



YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

Town
Wisdom
Farside
PV
XKfyu
Catdog
BBT

Townlead
kuroi
sircakez
ankamius

scumlean
otherhead

null
basic

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

I mean, he could just be genuinely be teetering back and forth, but why wouldn't he say that?

As for mollie not being on either wagon... Distancing? There is almost certainly scum on my wagon with the amount of votes there.

[PeregrineV]

I refuse to read those walls

Read the bricks then.

[PeregrineV]

My gut on Hebi is why I voted her.
Her shit attempts to fight me off is why I stayed.

I'm guessing her flip was a last-ditch attempt to get me off of her.

Maybe, but she sure didn't try very hard. Probably would have been less noticeable if she had.

[PeregrineV]

While you're here, can you give me a list of where your head is regarding your reads, PV?

Sure


(+)
3. Ankamius beeboy- no change from before
6. farside22 Iprobablysuck- Like posting, but haven't tried to deconstruct yet
14. Basic TiphaineDeath- Maybe bias, but feels like basic is has sharethink with me
12. Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra)-Hebi counterwagon +
13. MagnaofIllusion- disagree but + on the logic presentation

(0)
1. BlueBloodedToffee
2. SirCakez
16. Xkfyu
17. Wisdom
18. Maxous

(-)
4. KuroiXHF- It's complicated
5. pirate mollie- DNME
8. MariaR Maverick1102-
9. DrippingGoofball*- DNME
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)**- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday
15. CatDog(UpTooLate/hiplop hydra)*- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday

[PeregrineV]

I want to vote Pere for having the worst reads list yet a lot of it feels half assed like he's barely reading

I skipped 30 pages of day2, and wasn't much invested in day1, if that makes you feel better.

But, you can tell me the important parts of what I missed while we have lunch.

[PeregrineV]

4. KuroiXHF- It's complicated

Is there anyway to rephrase this that doesn't look like we're the Facebook relationship status of a high school couple and you saw me having lunch with someone else?

I think your daylong ride on Hebi looks bad. I don't like your 1002.

But, for the most part I do like your posting and find it town.

But, I am notorious (in my eyes) for having the wrong reads, (at what I feel are the worst times). Most recent is townreading Mirhawk for his play.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8210866
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8211570

This is the most recent example, but needless to say, if I am townreading you but no one else is, I know I'm probably wrong.

[PeregrineV]

@Pere

- want to discuss why you had absolutely nothing to say about Hebi and the wagon on her yesterday? That would be great!

I wasn't around, and didn't have much of an opinion about it anyway. I would have deadline voted, if that makes you feel better.

[PeregrineV]

It's not a 100% guilty but it's something that highly incriminates him as scum

Really? I'd love to hear it.

Vote: Cakez

[PeregrineV]

oh what
I thought cakez was softing gunsmith
wtf??

You can't be serious.

I'm not sure why players have this paranoia about sir cakez claim without waiting for Pere to claim first.
Whomever is demanding a claim on sir want to explain why Pere shouldn't claim first?

I'd like to hear it, for obvious reasons. But, also catching up first.

[PeregrineV]

Besides, it's not like Peregrine doesn't know there's a result on him already

I do know. Which makes Cakez claim even more questionable.

[PeregrineV]

Not getting the time I need to read everything, but apparently it doesn't matter.

I'm the town tracker.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

Night2- Cakez visited me. So, would really like to hear them actually say guilty, or better yet, vig or JK or roleblocker.

[PeregrineV]

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2

Okay, this is likely going to need clarification. especially since we already had a flip doc and Mollie claim.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

why the withholding of names?

It doesn't provide anything to do with alignment except out a PR. I suspected doc until Ank died, but either way it does add positive info.

[PeregrineV]

also your flavor

Daryl Dixon

im not buying this claim at all if anyone was wondering

Ok

[PeregrineV]

(0)
1. BlueBloodedToffee
2. SirCakez
16. Xkfyu
17. Wisdom
18. Maxous

(-)
4. KuroiXHF- It's complicated
5. pirate mollie- DNME
8. MariaR Maverick1102-
9. DrippingGoofball*- DNME
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)**- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday
15. CatDog(UpTooLate/hiplop hydra)*- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday

Id also like to know why you tracked a null read while having 6 scum reads

Really? Because more information helps to determine town or scum.

[PeregrineV]

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

What the hell is this?

2518

[PeregrineV]

Daryl Dixon

Oh, you wanted flavor with that? Daryl Dixon.

Want some fries too?

Forgot your buddy used that safe-claim already I see.

VOTE: Peregrine

How so?

[PeregrineV]

Oh, you wanted flavor with that? Daryl Dixon.

Want some fries too?

lol, yeah, I guess I should kill myself since the dead scum claimed my flavor and I didn't catch that.

But I won't.

So, hammer away.

[PeregrineV]

You're already hammered.

Meh.

I stand by everything I've already said.

[PeregrineV]

Not getting the time I need to read everything, but apparently it doesn't matter.

I'm the town tracker.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

Night2-

Cakez visited me.

So, would really like to hear them actually say guilty, or better yet, vig or JK or roleblocker.

This is what I wanted to bring up, but couldn't...

He flipped lying scum, so could safely be ignored.

[PeregrineV]

Radja@

- Thx for modding, fun game!!