The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: my other head is scum
Look at the name, confscum

[SirCakez]

MOHIS is town probably

[SirCakez]

High activity and engagement which is rare from Vedith and I don't think he'd be like this as scum

[SirCakez]

I could have sworn it was more then that

[SirCakez]

Oh I thought a bunch of the Fire posts were from Vedith
Welp my bad

[SirCakez]

Null then, most of the posts I thought were from Vedith were NAI Fore posts

[SirCakez]

I could have sworn it was more then that

Oh I thought a bunch of the Fire posts were from Vedith
Welp my bad

Null then, most of the posts I thought were from Vedith were NAI Fore posts

So like everything I post is a NAI but if Vedith posts it would be town?

Ummmmm...what?

Is everyone hell bent on keeping me in a null category for my whole mafia career?

Can you just call me scum. Id prefer it then null at this point.
Being scum at least means I am readable.
Not just a down the line mislynch option out of a compromise.

~FireTown

Because you're hard for me to read <.<
I think it's much easier to read Vedith

Fire I won't pretend that I can read you. I do try though =(

I kind of feel like

VOTE: sircakez

Yes. This is good.

disappointing

I have Cakez as null, but the fact he didn't bother actually reading to see who signed the posts is pretty darn scummy.
But Cakez is also very often the mislynch bait.

Cakez, why did you think Vedith posted more? I clearly signed almost all my posts.

~Nullbringer

Because mollie said vedith was imitating you

[SirCakez]

<.<

[SirCakez]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64567
And I've read other games with you in them (Netherspite's SORM games, You could be anyone 4, hardcore mafia 2)

[SirCakez]

It's still a game I played with you, drop out or not

That's the point, I'm pretty good at identifying your town game given I've read a lot of your town game

[SirCakez]

It's not a lot but it's not nothing

SORM games because they're like the games on my home site (ToS forums), Hardcore Mafia because I wanted to see a flipless game, YCBA because it was an ongoing large theme around when I joined the site and was curious about it

[SirCakez]

Actually, that game we were in, you had me as scum until Lucky2u and HERRMMMMM told you I wasn't, then you unvoted me because others wouldn't push me, considering you were an Alien and not town.
Yeah this is a complete lie from you.
People should be voting here, lets go, lets go!

-Vedith

wat?

[SirCakez]

I never said I read you right in it....
It's just an example of the meta I have with you

[SirCakez]

They weren't random, they were games I had already read of you before
I didn't just meta dive you today

[SirCakez]

YCBA was a large theme, you played it under MOHIS and you lurked your balls off there from what I read
I remember lurking in the others too but apparently not? I'd have to reread.

[SirCakez]

Your hydra had less posts then a majority of the game there, looks like lurking to me.
I don't know exactly when you "dropped out" but you were a part of the hydra at some point.

[SirCakez]

Where are the other 16 players damn

[SirCakez]

I don't remember the exact dates, it was half a year ago. I do know the game definitely started before you dropped out.

[SirCakez]

Fire was solo playing in upick.

I'm not talking about a uPick game?

[SirCakez]

I'm not talking about a uPick game?

You can be anything / upick - You know exactly what I mean.
But yeah, you just said it yourself - It was half a year ago, how do you remember my meta?

-Vedith

You could be anything wasn't a uPick.....
I can remember things from half a year ago but they aren't exact. Like I said, to be super accurate I'd have to reread.

Page Top ^_^

Do something scrub

[SirCakez]

You could be anything wasn't a uPick.....
I can remember things from half a year ago but they aren't exact. Like I said, to be super accurate I'd have to reread.

The right name of the game doesn't mean anything, we both knew exactly what game we are talking about.
It's not that they aren't exact, it's that they are the opposite to what you are saying. You said that I am rarely active, 3 out of the 4 games I was very active.

The other concerning part, is if you thought I was rarely active as town and only saw my town game, then surely if I was active, that would be an indication to me being scum, not town, right?
We really need additional input here for others. It's a large game so no reason to why there can't be more people getting involved.

-Vedith

You mentioned some Anything uPick by Bins so ya the name was important

Also, I said that I thought you being active was indicative of you being town? Go reread.

[SirCakez]

Vedith wasn't asking you to vote. He wanted your thoughts.

Do you have some thoughts to go with that vote?

[SirCakez]

hi guyz

whats going on

No vote like this in rvs makes mollie confirmed town, based on expert analysis of most of her games.

This makes her town and catdog, maybe dgb, but probably not dgb.

~The Voice of Town On Fire

I never said I went to the snake school for the gifted.

I said I went to Miss Hisser's Snake Academy for Girls.

Don't misrepresent me.

No wonder I don't recognize you,
I went to the snake school for the gifted.

They let me in even though I was a lizard, we really broke species barriers when I got into the school.

I will stop misrepresenting you.

VOTE: Vedith

~Townheadbringer

UNVOTE: Vedith

Bad scum head, bad!

VOTE: Young and Witless
Broke the wagon chain and tried to be friendly.
This is me taking it out of RVS, challenge me!

-Town head Vedith

i'm here and i'm town.

hi all

Nope my Daycop says othewise

VOTE: Maxous

Daycop is op.
Ill talk to my scumhead to find out if this is his ally and then help you lynch him.

~FireTown

What makes me anymore scummy that say, DrippingGoofball?

Probably the random reason to DGB hopping onto the wagon and making it clear that it was a Choo Choo.
However, I disagree with it entirely. Naked votes are an easier way to lay low when there's a wagon to giving an RVS reason.

-Vedith

fire why is vedith trying to imitate you

Because Fire is my idol.

-Vedith

[SirCakez]

Wait... is cakez really arguing people are being too active? That's kinda a silly thing.

What the fuck? How the he'll did you get too active?

VOTE: tiphainedeath
For naked voting and doing nothing else

[SirCakez]

Because BBT just posted like 10 minutes ago so it's possible he might add more

[SirCakez]

Meh, I'm tired, and when I try to be useful in the early game it backfires anyway. So ima just vote some people when I feel like it and derp around and be good later.

Not good enough

I'm caught up.

I have some town reads, I have some scum reads and I have some null reads.

I'm so good at this game.

Gonna say this but not share?

[SirCakez]

MOHIS who is your 190 referring to?

[SirCakez]

Man I don't think UTL has ever townread me before
Maybe one day she won't tunnel me the whole game

[SirCakez]

MOHIS who is your 190 referring to?

Kuroi...
But I asked for your opinion on that post as I'm interested to what you will have to say.
Do you have a read on Kuroi at all?
However, I am off to bed, but I'll log back on this account around the same time tomorrow.

-Vedith

I think his readslist and voting was janky but his posting is ALWAYS awkward and janky so I'm hesitant to scumread him for it.

[SirCakez]

Oh mb
You always scumread me when I'm town tho
Mini 1758, Gumball, this

q.q

[SirCakez]

Maverick, you should vote YAW.

I'm not really seeing why you're voting Mollie.

BBT how does your YAW read affect your read on me?

[SirCakez]

@Cakez – so coming off Science Upick where a not-insignficant reason for the scum sweep was your 100% derp Town meta read on Radiant please sell me on why you would lean heavily on meta for a Vedith Town read. Did you just not learn a single thing from that game or were you scum trying to force a Town read early?

I think meta is a lot stronger on Vedith then RC (>.<). Even without the meta I'm townreading the slot anyway because the scumhunting and effort looks real.

[SirCakez]

I spent like 3 pages arguing with Vedith over the meta, I posted games there

Their argument with me gave me the town assessment. The townread I had on them at the very start was a mistake on my part since I thought FB's posting was from Vedith, so I didn't get a real townread from Vedith until the argument.

[SirCakez]

lmao

[SirCakez]

Magna wants to PL me

[SirCakez]

>.<
meta is useful....

[SirCakez]

<.<
>.>

[SirCakez]

MOHIS is my only real townread so far
Only real scumread is TD

Spent more time arguing the stupid meta then actually developing reads

[SirCakez]

Looking at some ISOs to try to fix my reads deficiency

[SirCakez]

This is kind of a mess since I did the reads in the order I looked at ISOs

Maverick looks scum
IPS looks scum (both of these two for posts that look like there was no actual thought put into them and were just scum faking posts instead)
Beeboy null (he's done nothing AI yet)
Maxous looks townish (posts look real, unlike top two people here)
Xkfyu null (same as beeboy)
Kuroi leans awkward town
BBT leans scum (lots of coasty shitposts, not sharing reads, etc)
PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

So now I have
Town - Maxous, Kuroi, PV, MOHIS
Null - Beeboy, Xkfyu
Scum - BBT, TD, IPS, Maverick

Feel a lot better now readswise

P-edit: I didn't like it, it was hand waving

[SirCakez]

SC, I think you have scum read me in every game we have played together.

I don't think every game?
But I'll keep this in mind

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

Dare I ask?

To hell with it. I just can't resist...

What exactly does PV's scum meta look like?

lurksack with 0 content posts
He's already producing content here

Looking at some ISOs to try to fix my reads deficiency

This is kind of a mess since I did the reads in the order I looked at ISOs

Maverick looks scum
IPS looks scum (both of these two for posts that look like there was no actual thought put into them and were just scum faking posts instead)
Beeboy null (he's done nothing AI yet)
Maxous looks townish (posts look real, unlike top two people here)
Xkfyu null (same as beeboy)
Kuroi leans awkward town
BBT leans scum (lots of coasty shitposts, not sharing reads, etc)
PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

So now I have
Town - Maxous, Kuroi, PV, MOHIS
Null - Beeboy, Xkfyu
Scum - BBT, TD, IPS, Maverick

Feel a lot better now readswise

P-edit: I didn't like it, it was hand waving

Color me skeptical that it took you a whopping 5 whole minutes to do ISO reading and took the time to form actual reads for this many new reads and writing up the post ...

But why specifically is Maverick scum to you?

The ISOs are almost all 10 posts or less, it wasn't time consuming

I didn't like how Maverick was popping in with little pointless questions or posts, but then not actually develophing anything until Mollie started getting pressure.

Anyone who doesn't want to advance the gamestate is, in my mind, inherently anti-town and therefore a viable lynch target.

I also hated this

[SirCakez]

Also BBT, in most of the games we've played together either you or I have been scum anyway

[SirCakez]

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

[SirCakez]

Like PV has been like this since January
In Borderlands he was pretty active and useful and was town
In YCBA he lurked his ass off and was scum

If he was going to change he would have done it by now

[SirCakez]

ok

[SirCakez]

17478

Kiss my ass.

wat

[SirCakez]

VOTE: iprobablysuck
TD can have some space for now

[SirCakez]

Yeah Iprobably is so busy that he can't post in this game but can post elsewhere on site ...

oh.

he's posting in other games?

strike three

Did it ever occur to you that i'm busy

because

of other games? I doubt it.

VOTE: Maxous

yikes talk about a bad reaction

[SirCakez]

That's a post.

The next person who Townreads beeboy gets Dayvigged ...

We both know that IPS post was really bad.

then do something about it ffs

[SirCakez]

why townread bbt and catdog?

[SirCakez]

Any scumreads besides the three leading wagons?

[SirCakez]

Idk I just like BBT's posts lol.

pedit: nah

[SirCakez]

no

[SirCakez]

k yeah td is staying in my scum pile

[SirCakez]

My record at reading Cakez is abysmal. I've found that if I want to scumread him he's probably town, and if I want to townread him he's probably scum.

take note UTL!

[SirCakez]

I've only jabbed at your read on me twice, I have 53 other posts lol

[SirCakez]

and knowing how gumball and 1758 went, the only thing that will change your read is my town flip

[SirCakez]

Yes, scumcakez, keep trying to discredit my read on you instead of actually doing something. It's going to bite you in the ass eventually.

Your "readslist" was weak and I'm pretty sure fake, as it was already pointed out that it only took you 5 minutes to Iso people and come up with it after you only had one town read and one scum read.

What's your read on us, since I don't remember being included in your list?

If I cared about discrediting scumreads on me then I'd be attacking MOHIS a lot more
I'm just really pissed off that players like you keep scumreading me as town because they're arrogant, then I get mislynched, then they're like "oh damn sorry cakez" then they do the same damn thing next game and it's getting quite annoying
I've also gotten annoyed at SS for the same thing

My read on you currently is null because you've done little besides attack me at this point and since you always scumread me it's NAI

[SirCakez]

I am at p14 and i just want to get this straight.

so

magna, hebi, beeboy all have me as scum but catdog as town? catdog who is townreading me (with good reason)?

I just want to get how this works.

I am going to respond to back posts once I have caught up.\

eta: is wis still allowed to lurch by?

I can't wait

I hate these kinds of posts where Mollie is just taking potshots at other players without actually adding anything. Especially her attack on Wis because he's declared V/LA more then once.

magna, hebi, beeboy all have me as scum but catdog as town? catdog who is townreading me (with good reason)?

I am not bound to sheep UTL this game.

you are still doing nothing and this is concerning me

[SirCakez]

MOHIS I read ISOs
They weren't very long at that point and I read quickly

[SirCakez]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

[SirCakez]

You're asking why is flailing scummy?

[SirCakez]

It's possible SS

@mod sorry Radja I have too many games, too little computer access and haven't read a majority of this game. I need to replace out :/

[SirCakez]

Maverick looks scum
IPS looks scum (both of these two for posts that look like there was no actual thought put into them and were just scum faking posts instead)
Beeboy null (he's done nothing AI yet)
Maxous looks townish (posts look real, unlike top two people here)
Xkfyu null (same as beeboy)
Kuroi leans awkward town
BBT leans scum (lots of coasty shitposts, not sharing reads, etc)
PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

So now I have
Town - Maxous, Kuroi, PV, MOHIS
Null - Beeboy, Xkfyu
Scum - BBT, TD, IPS, Maverick

Feel a lot better now readswise

Why didn't you ISO everyone? This is an awful reads-list as well btw.

So far, YAW, Hebi and SC all look like good lynches.

because ISOing people with 3 posts is stupid
what's awful about it?

[SirCakez]

YAW had more than 3 posts, no?

I know I certainly didn't have many and you ISO'd me. So, yeah, I don't get it.

Your scum read on Maverick was weak sauce, the reasoning you gave made no sense at all. The town read on Maxous is bad (I agree with the read but you're reasoning is like wtf). What is awkward town? Why is not sharing reads alignment indicative?

It was a figure of speech, I didn't ISO people who I hadn't noticed in the game so far
What didn't make sense about the Mav read?
What's wrong with the reasoning for the Max read?

Awkward town is town who doesn't know how to express what they're thinking. I've been like that before.
Because not sharing reads just looks like you're just saying you have reads so you look like you're doing something.

Ahhh, forgot I had the other tab open.

For the above two posts - SC, why did you choose to vote IPS over anyone else?

Because there was an existing wagon there already.

why yes. yes it is.

Ok...why?

What was it about that post that has you so convinced suddenly?

it is cos I don't get the feeling that I am talking to ss. I feel like I am talking to creature.

How does talking to Creature = scumread?

[SirCakez]

Um how can you honestly say you hadn’t noticed me when you previously had given a heartly LOL to my saying you would be a good lynch on policy reasons? You should have been poring through my (limited) ISO for signs that I was scum if you are Town given that alone. Yet I don’t appear in 289 and your rundown.

It was off the top of my head when picking people, if I didn't remember you I didn't remember you. Suck it up big boy.

[SirCakez]

I think YAW having a hard time explaining their read on me is a town tell rather then scumtell, knowing the heads. Both of them have had difficulty reading me in the past and I think if they were scum they would have taken the easy scumread on me.

[SirCakez]

Exactly
Would have been a super easy hop on for them as scum there

[SirCakez]

There probably were, but I don't see why 1 scum would avoid an easy wagon on me unless the entire scum team was already there or something. Which I doubt.

[SirCakez]

Exactly
Would have been a super easy hop on for them as scum there

Unless they are your buddies trying to prevent your lynch.

Doesn't work since I'm town

[SirCakez]

I am not having difficulty to explain my read.

Pushing activity is a towntell and that's what SirCakez was trying to do.

It's not

It was off the top of my head when picking people, if I didn't remember you I didn't remember you. Suck it up big boy.

See .. this is why I might join Catdog’s Cakez crusade eventually. Because this response doesn’t pass the smell test. Like day old fish in the farmer’s market. I think your explanation for who you ISOed and why is suspect.

Good handwaving

[SirCakez]

Yeah sure, I'll just take that fall for Cakez and YAW.

What does this mean?

I am strongly feeling a wis lynch, he is lurking out my wagon while tossing out townreads w/o ever doing any actual scumhunting.

Wat?

Hi farside

[SirCakez]

Sircakes (moved from null to scum) list is awful even for him A player that barely interacts looks more townish then a player who is actively trying to figure the game out. Hell even the players that were active aren't even mentioned. I call BS on that.

Why am I in null if you moved me to scum?

[SirCakez]

I'll catch up on this later, only had a skim.

Farside's reads are pretty bad though. She could be scum.

Her reads are pretty good
Not sure what the point of this was

[SirCakez]

If we lynch YAW and they flip scum, you know you're getting lynched next, right?

???
Wouldn't you be concerned with me since they were, y'know, hard defending me?

[SirCakez]

2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

[SirCakez]

I kinda think mollie is scum but gonna keep that in the back of my mind

lets lynch YAW?

Do you think Mollie is bussing YAW?
Why push Mollie off until later?

I liked basic's entrance but I might be biased since he defended me for a lot of it

[SirCakez]

Because not sharing reads just looks like you're just saying you have reads so you look like you're doing something.

Just want to point something out here; if I wanted to look like I was doing something do you think it would be a better idea for me to share my reads instead of making a post that is sure to draw attention?

If you were scum you wouldn't have any real reads tho.

2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

I have nothing on whether you are scum or town. Every game that I remember playing with you, you've been town, but that's some sort of fallacy to assume it's the same this game.

oh it's a null read
The "nope" confused me

2. SirCakez- nope

What?

Disagree on Wisdom feeling weird, he looks normal to me, if somewhat inactive (this is a null read)

I wasn't aware I was still voting farside, my bad

VOTE: Catdog

I do like the vote, though. What brought it about?

Their mindless push against me feels fake. Ever since my argument with UTL earlier about how she always scumreads me as town they've been lurking.

[SirCakez]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.
Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

[SirCakez]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.

Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

ebwop, damn quote tags got jacked up

[SirCakez]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

Really hate this vote

kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

this feels bad

And this is bizarre
This is an implied scumread on Mollie but they literally just sheeped her onto hebi

[SirCakez]

I think YAW having a hard time explaining their read on me is a town tell rather then scumtell, knowing the heads. Both of them have had difficulty reading me in the past and I think if they were scum they would have taken the easy scumread on me.

If BOTH of them have difficulty reading you why would they stick their neck out with an early read? Why not wait until they feel like they have something solid? Does it not strike you as strange that TWO people who struggle to read you both threw out a town read (that they later couldn't justify) just as you started picking up votes? The timing of that town read was bad and I don't personally think you had done anything that indicated you are town - in fact, it was quite the opposite.

Me being wagoned kinda forced the issue of reading me onto everyone.
It is somewhat strange but I don't think they'd handle it like this as scum.

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.

Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

ebwop, damn quote tags got jacked up

Man, I was really confused when I saw the previous post.

Anyways, if you don't agree with BBT's push on YAW, what was it that you liked about it?

It feels like a real push with evidence backing it up

[SirCakez]

Sure, I'm claiming town bulletproof, its not provable so lynch if you have to.

Time to find someone else to lynch.

YAW seems like a real good choice.

That claim is weaksauce
She didn't even give flavor

I'll catch up on this later, only had a skim.

Farside's reads are pretty bad though. She could be scum.

Her reads are pretty good
Not sure what the point of this was

I say what my point is in that very post - I thought she could be scum.

Now, what was the point of

your

post?

To try to find the point of your post lol

If we lynch YAW and they flip scum, you know you're getting lynched next, right?

???
Wouldn't you be concerned with me since they were, y'know, hard defending me?

This is the second time you have done this and I'm not sure what to make of it.

When was the first time?

[SirCakez]

There has been a Lyncher and Survivor in Walking Deaf games before yes

[SirCakez]

There has been a Lyncher and Survivor in Walking Deaf games before yes

Thoughts on hebichan and others?

Fine with her being lynched, not townreading her and her claim is sketchy

Also developing a Mollie scumread

[SirCakez]

I can hammer if necessary

[SirCakez]

Lmao 1-shot bulletproof claims are always fake
VOTE: catdog

[SirCakez]

I feel like I should be more scared than I really am what the fk did my replacement even do?

Lol this reaction isn't helping you

[SirCakez]

I feel like I should be more scared than I really am what the fk did my replacement even do?

Lol this reaction isn't helping you

I don't get what you're trying to accomplish with this post am I suppose to re read 40 pages give a reads list and get auto town status? lol no thank you I'd rather eat rope

When you replace into a game (one that isn't even very long for large theme standards), yes that's what's expected.....

VOTE: Sir Cakez

I'll post more later about this and other things after I do all the family stuff.

lmao you can't coast on this anymore

[SirCakez]

then do something ffs
right now you're just whining

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

<.<
She said she's going to read the game

[SirCakez]

PV's ISO looks like his town game
Don't want to vote there right now

[SirCakez]

Lmao 1-shot bulletproof claims are always fake

So aside from the fact that it was a Full BP claim why if they are “always fake” didn’t you vote the fake claim?

Could have sworn it was just a 1-shot bp claim, huh
Didn't vote there because by the time she claimed she was already L-1 iirc and I didn't want to hammer it yet

PV's ISO looks like his town game
Don't want to vote there right now

Um...I don't get it. Weren't you the one that told me that PV's scum meta is being a "total lurksack?"

Granted, when you said that, his activity level was fine, but I feel like he has completely fallen off since then.

Now, I couldn't care less about meta, but I would expect someone like you, who obvious does, to have at least pointed this out.

His ISO isn't "total lurksack" though
His scum ISO is all promises to catch up later and prodging
He's provided some content here

He started off by giving a BS reason to townread MOHIS. When called out and pressured for it, he bumbled about and tried to move the focus elsewhere.

His reaction to me pressuring him was fucking terrible. Instead of trying to defend himself or talk with me or anything, he just tried to discredit me. Now, at this point, Mollie and I were already dead in Summer Mafia (which just now ended). I had been yelling for his lynch and molls and I got NKd, and it was confirmed to me he was scum. 211 and 375 where he mentioned Gumball and the mini we were in together pissed me off because he was fucking baiting me. He knew DAMN WELL I couldn't say anything about Summer yet because at the time it was ongoing.

His sudden read on BBT reads as fake. Actually, his whole "reads list" is fucking fake as hell. It took him minutes to go from not really having reads to having opinions on people.

Go look at his ISO. It's full of him asking surface level questions (and not really following up), making jabs at me, and just going through the motion of scumhunting. He avoids the hebi wagon, and look at his votes. TD vote was unexciting, he hopped on IPS when he was getting pressure, and even his vote on us was weird timing. When he voted us in 719, there were 2 major wagons happening. Hebi and YAW. He hardly says

anything

about hebi. When asked about her, he has no thoughts, until it was obvious she was getting lynched and he just made a backhanded comment about not caring if she's lynched and her claim was weak.

Go look at his play in Game of Thrones. he was a lot more engaging and had solid opinions on people. Here it feels like he's just trying to ride it out posting just enough to appear active but not doing anything to make waves or get attention to himself.

I got frustrated yesterday and stepped back from the game. I had just spend a ton of energy on trying to get scum lynched in Summer just for town to fight me on it, I didn't have it in me to do it again. When I checked back in it was obvious he wasn't getting lynched, so I talked to my other head about what we wanted to do. We both agreed that hebi was scummier than YAW and went there.

Seriously. What has Cakez done to earn a townread from anybody?

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

He posted a readslist at one point, the only prodge/catch up later post he's made is the very last one in his ISO.
This is not his scum behavior.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

[SirCakez]

Me too

[SirCakez]

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

[SirCakez]

I'm on kindle but was reading hebi a bit not done but I can for sure say

TR: Kuro/My other head is scum

VOTE: Sircake Early on hebi tried to do a weak vote on them said 1 more line on it and then ignored it for the rest of the game when the way Hebi was talking about the read it seemed like she was very strong on it seems like a weak attempt to distance
more when I get back

This is opportunistic as hell

[SirCakez]

The opportunistic arguement I hear on this site is almost as bad as the wifom one it's something people say when they can't back up the case because they know it's true

I'd say instead of opportunistic I'm being...observant

You pulled a vote on me out of nowhere when a wagon started to form on me despite having expressed no signs of a scumread earlier
That's opportunistic

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

You did. You implied that because UTL has read you incorrectly in the past, it means that she is reading you incorrectly now.

???
I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

[SirCakez]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

[SirCakez]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

[SirCakez]

I obviously read that game, given that I won it

[SirCakez]

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

If I told why you're wrong you'd still call it discrediting
I could go through your case but I feel like it will have next to no impact on how you read me

[SirCakez]

Ok I'll bite

He started off by giving a BS reason to townread MOHIS. When called out and pressured for it, he bumbled about and tried to move the focus elsewhere.

Yes I bumbled about some, parts of my meta read were wrong. There's nothing inherently scummy about this, I messed up on a read so I moved on.

His reaction to me pressuring him was fucking terrible. Instead of trying to defend himself or talk with me or anything, he just tried to discredit me. Now, at this point, Mollie and I were already dead in Summer Mafia (which just now ended). I had been yelling for his lynch and molls and I got NKd, and it was confirmed to me he was scum. 211 and 375 where he mentioned Gumball and the mini we were in together pissed me off because he was fucking baiting me. He knew DAMN WELL I couldn't say anything about Summer yet because at the time it was ongoing.

First off, I didn't have summer mafia in mind at all in either of those posts. That's just outright misrep.

There was literally nothing for me to defend against or talk to you about at that point, because

you hadn't explained your scumread on me at all.

Just "lol I caught scum".
Yes I brought up games where you had read me wrongly before to try to see if that would make you rethink your read. Had no effect.

His sudden read on BBT reads as fake. Actually, his whole "reads list" is fucking fake as hell. It took him minutes to go from not really having reads to having opinions on people.

It's called taking 5 minutes to ISO people in a tiny game. It doesn't take long to read an ISO and develop some reads. I have been over this more then once and you keep using it to mudsling despite ignoring my repeated explanation of how I went about making those reads.

Go look at his ISO. It's full of him asking surface level questions (and not really following up), making jabs at me, and just going through the motion of scumhunting. He avoids the hebi wagon, and look at his votes. TD vote was unexciting, he hopped on IPS when he was getting pressure, and even his vote on us was weird timing. When he voted us in 719, there were 2 major wagons happening. Hebi and YAW. He hardly says

anything

about hebi. When asked about her, he has no thoughts, until it was obvious she was getting lynched and he just made a backhanded comment about not caring if she's lynched and her claim was weak.

I did not have a real scumread on hebi until her claim, and then she was at L-1 and I didn't want to hammer. I just posted about this earlier today.
"unexciting" is vague and means nothing to me
What is scummy about moving my vote when under pressure? Should I just have left it in place?
See first line of this section re: hebi

I'll be honest here: I was barely paying attention to Hebi. I wasn't into the game and it showed in that readslist I halfassed. But I was definitely not trying to avoid the hebi wagon or lynch.

Go look at his play in Game of Thrones. he was a lot more engaging and had solid opinions on people. Here it feels like he's just trying to ride it out posting just enough to appear active but not doing anything to make waves or get attention to himself.

I will give you this point. I have been disengaged from this game. It's probably a mix of school starting, the fact I'm in 3 (4 at the time) other large themes, and the fact I can't access mafiascum at all during the daytime.
It's a lot easier to be engaged when you're at home all day with nothing to do.

P-edit: Maria, I don't like responding to cases made by people I think are scum, it feels like it's pointless.

[SirCakez]

Yes I bumbled about some, parts of my meta read were wrong. There's nothing inherently scummy about this, I messed up on a read so I moved on.

You can't say that you messed up and say that there's nothing scummy about it. If you're town, you should be able to objectively look at your own actions and admit when you make a mistake and acknowledge that townies who make mistakes have done something scummy.

I see townies screw up on reads just as often as scum
Scumreading someone because they messed up on some fact that was part of a read is silly
i;e Dwlee forgetting a dayvig in borderlands and getting mislynched for it

[SirCakez]

Cakez. Who is scum. Other than Catdog.

I will get back to you on this in about 10 or so minutes

Yes I bumbled about some, parts of my meta read were wrong. There's nothing inherently scummy about this, I messed up on a read so I moved on.

You can't say that you messed up and say that there's nothing scummy about it. If you're town, you should be able to objectively look at your own actions and admit when you make a mistake and acknowledge that townies who make mistakes have done something scummy.

I see townies screw up on reads just as often as scum
Scumreading someone because they messed up on some fact that was part of a read is silly
i;e Dwlee forgetting a dayvig in borderlands and getting mislynched for it

You're focusing on the wrong part of my comment. I don't blame you for making a mistake as town. I've done it, and I'm pretty sure a lot of us have as well.
I'm saying that if you're town and you made a mistake, you should be able to own up to both the mistake itself and the scumminess that the mistake causes.
Because from my point of view, it appears that you're not owning up to it and it makes me scum read you.

<.<
Yes I made a mistake
Yes I see how it can be seen as scummy
But I don't agree with it, basically

[SirCakez]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

this is what's getting me
Like after going through the case indepth and not skimming it I can sort of see where she's coming from with the "coasting" and "surface level questioning" comments

But then other parts like how she accuses me of trying to bait her to talk about summer mafia just feels completely made up

[SirCakez]

Cakez. Who is scum. Other than Catdog.

Xkfyu (tried to redirect the lynch away from hebi post claim and pushed a counterwagon)
Ank (hebi vote looks like bussing as he made basically no mention of a hebi scumread before, looks like his scum game from song of ice and fire) (I could be wrong on this one, I haven't seen an Ank towngame before so this might be my MOHIS read 2.0 from earlier)
Mollie (has done little besides pushing wisdom, she's usually more open to discussing other reads, posts like 660 sound like a comment a hebi scumbuddy would make
DGB (ISO is devoid of real content, 803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

My scumreads were very stale (really nonexistent besides CatDog >.<) so I went looking around the people who were dodgy around the hebi wagon.

It doesnt feel like a thing scum would make up

Even if it wasnt your intention, im pretty sure UTL felt thats what you were doing there

Yeah I'm not so certain on that scumread anymore after reviewing reads, since I can see where she's coming from on some of the stuff
I would like to see her response to my response (lol) to her case

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dgb

[SirCakez]

Hi all, will catch up on game later.

Can tell you all that DGB is town so you don't need to worry about her.

No hope about it Farside, she is town.

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

Oh I was checking out other ISOs and saw this
I buy it

then
VOTE: mollie

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

She called Hebi town in 804 then never mentioned her again though
It's irrelevant since there's apparently a clear on her anyway

[SirCakez]

I wanna see how this goes

VOTE: DGB

I just pointed out that BBT has claimed a gunsmith clear on her, why go here?

Also scratch my PV townread from earlier, I wasn't looking indepth at his ISO. The content isn't as good as I thought (i;e the readslist is loaded with nulls).
He never acknowledged the hebi wagon and slotted her at a perfect null in that readslist I mentioned earlier.

P-edit: mmk
VOTE: xkfyu

[SirCakez]

Regarding Ank, there is a trajectory on hebi before his vote (not that it cant be bussing)

And his town game isnt very different than his scum one, sadly

I had to double check this
He made exactly one post about a hebi scumread leading up to his vote, 569 (he mentioned a townread a few posts earlier and that's it for his hebi read)
Which is rather weak and I'd barely call that a trajectory
I'll toss out the meta part then though.

cake boy is steady in my unsure pile. he hasn't doesn't done that thing he does where he makes a post and it goes ping! SCUMZORZ like it did in summer. you are not the only 1 who is frustrated over the summer game, as I am sure you are aware of. but I think it was d3 when you and I connected with that read, prior to that we just both had him where I have him now. he said scummy things then but I am not seeing that same mindset here yet. you are right, he isn't trying to make waves. but I am not quite seeing what you are seeing. he is a giant void inside my head tho, and that is a huge red flag.

I will look harder at cake boy, but can you plz look at wis so that we can compare notes? I liked the timing of 1123 and 1124, it looks town herd mentality happening but there are some posts that I do not like.

I don't object to anything in this post but the progression following it is terrible. See below.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

I find it interesting that you are reciprocating the reasons for scumreading utl, cos those are the same reasons she has for scumreading you.

so lets talk about me. what is your read on me cake boy?

Scum, I discussed this later on from the quote here

You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

He posted a readslist at one point, the only prodge/catch up later post he's made is the very last one in his ISO.
This is not his scum behavior.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

gross

Throwaway comment to throw shade with

The opportunistic arguement I hear on this site is almost as bad as the wifom one it's something people say when they can't back up the case because they know it's true

I'd say instead of opportunistic I'm being...observant

You pulled a vote on me out of nowhere when a wagon started to form on me despite having expressed no signs of a scumread earlier
That's opportunistic

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

You did. You implied that because UTL has read you incorrectly in the past, it means that she is reading you incorrectly now.

???

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

why

I also talked about this a few posts later.

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

how is it deathtunneling on d2? when really I have missed their presence.

Most of her posts have been about me, thus death tunnel.

Just to make it clear here though, I think I was wrong about most of the things Mollie has quoted here.

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

If I told why you're wrong you'd still call it discrediting
I could go through your case but I feel like it will have next to no impact on how you read me

okay well

I

want to hear it and I am sure I am not the only 1!

I answered this like three posts later

VOTE: dgb

this combined with the above post soyeah we are lynching cake boy

give me a minute to fully ketchup

A completely unexplained scumread out of nowhere now
Why does that post make you want to lynch me so badly now when you were unsure earlier?

Hi all, will catch up on game later.

Can tell you all that DGB is town so you don't need to worry about her.

No hope about it Farside, she is town.

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

Oh I was checking out other ISOs and saw this
I buy it

then
VOTE: mollie

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

She called Hebi town in 804 then never mentioned her again though
It's irrelevant since there's apparently a clear on her anyway

AHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHA...AH.

VOTE: sir cakez

See above comment

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

It's hard to only really work off one game as meta, but this really doesn't come across as town Mollie to me.

I really feel like kuroi knows he is fucked rn

And this makes no sense at all
How does Kuroi saying he thinks this isn't town Mollie = he's feeling like he's fucked?

So yeah, sorry if that was a mess (did it all from mobile) but Mollie hasn't backed up her scumread on me at all, and along with the terrible Wisdom tunnel, definitely feels like she's scum.

[SirCakez]

I mean, I felt good yesterday that we had two scum wagons as leading wagons.

IMO, the only real cw to Hebi was YAW.

And so if you agree YAW was a cw to scum Hebi, why are you still stuck on them being scum?
This scumread from you has never evolved.

I honestly haven't paid much attention to Mollie (and I haven't read D2 thoroughly) just kind of skimmed over everything.

I thought her questioning to Kuroi early D1 was weird but I kind of felt like it was town? Plus, she said her PR is self-resolving so I just wanna leave that be for now, you know?

Can you look at her posting today then and tell us what you think?
Her "PR" hasnt resolved anything.

[SirCakez]

Because, as I clearly stated on D1, I believe both leading wagons were on scum.

I will read the game properly when I can get to my laptop.

Why? You've never explained this.
To me it just looks like you refuse to give up on a scumread you've had all game for no reason despite a lot of evidence indicating them being town.

VOTE: dgb

You can't be serious.

Never mind. I guess you didn't see BBT's claim?

Yeah, I missed it. I saw it a few posts later.

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

My scumreads were very stale (really nonexistent besides CatDog >.<) so I went looking around the people who were dodgy around the hebi wagon.

Then how did you not come up with Peregrine on your suspicions list?

Also shouldn’t you be included in that pool for players who aren’t you given your play regarding the Hebi lynch? I see your 1235 but it doesn’t make sense that you supposedly were looking for players sketchy about the Hebi wagon and apparently didn’t read up on everyone when you make your list.

I don't town read Maxous, but I have like four or five scum reads, and this is too much. Perhaps tonight I should create a formal read list.

I kinda feel like I'm in this boat
I've got like 4 scumreads (pv, mollie, xkfyu, ank) and then a group of people I'm not explicitly scumreading but wouldn't mind seeing them go (max, basic, maria)
If Mollie flips scum then Max is a highly likely buddy.

let's do this

VOTE: mollie

[SirCakez]

Nope!

[SirCakez]

If Mollie flips scum then Max is a highly likely buddy.

Max is already a very highly likely buddy for hebi, you dont need mollie to flip

Why Max before Mollie, then?

[SirCakez]

Because Maxous is scummier

Not really seeing that with the stuff Mollie is vomiting

[SirCakez]

Because Maxous is scummier

Not really seeing that with the stuff Mollie is vomiting

plz don't be a dick to me. thanks.

I'm not trying to

mollie can be like that as town

*scrunches eyebrows*
Lemme think about it

[SirCakez]

And im feeling that youre a likely max buddy trying to go for mollie tbh

I'm fine lynching either, I just don't understand why you're so stuck on lynching Max first with what Mollie has been saying on this page and going back
She didn't even acknowledge my multiquote of her outlining why she was scummy

But OK
VOTE: max
Mollie needs death as soon as this goes

[SirCakez]

mollie can be like that as town

This game comes to mind

I will look at that
Are you townreading Mollie now?

[SirCakez]

mollie can be like that as town

This game comes to mind

I will look at that
Are you townreading Mollie now?

[SirCakez]

Why the interest in how im reading mollie?

Because she's still a scumread of mine (I have not looked at the game you linked yet for the record, I want to do that from a computer) and you seemed to be indicating a shift in your read on her without actually saying it

[SirCakez]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

[SirCakez]

Hey there BBT
Gonna respond to my earlier request about why YAW was a scum counterwagon to scum?

[SirCakez]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

How do you know that Mollie wasn't the attempted NK?

I don't, but she said she was surprised there was no death night 1 so I assumed it wasn't her

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

So this conflicts with what you said earlier about being surprised about the no death
I am confuzzled

What am I misunderstanding? Cakez said nothing resolved and mollie said "no1 died, it's not that hard" as if assuming that was what resolved

Cakez is trying to spin the fact that Mollie didn't die (and thus, her role didn't resolve) as a way to throw shade on Mollie. But since no one died, that's not valid, since Mollie could have very well been targeted for the NK, and it was blocked somehow. Hence my question to Cakez earlier.

Wtf is this?
Mollie mentioned literally nothing about being behind the no death until after I made the comment about her role not resolving.
This is outright misrep.

[SirCakez]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

[SirCakez]

YAW's last post singlehandedly makes me completely disinterested in a Maxous wagon.

YAW's last post singlehandedly makes me completely disinterested in a Maxous wagon.

I felt that too.

Vote: sc

YAW is very likely town
Not following this

[SirCakez]

YAW's last post singlehandedly makes me completely disinterested in a Maxous wagon.

YAW's last post singlehandedly makes me completely disinterested in a Maxous wagon.

I felt that too.

Vote: sc

YAW is very likely town
Not following this

Primarily because of this right here:

@everyone voting SirCakez: do you see him as a potential partner to Maxous? If so, why not vote Maxous?

I think Wisdom and MoI are town.

I have no idea about mollie, I guess I'm okay tabling that for a few days.
Kuroi and Cakez are tough... I could see Cakez as a Maxous partner, but Kuroi's reads are actually pretty good.
I think there's exactly one scum in <Maxous, MariaR>.

No idea where Creature's head is at.

@everyone voting SirCakez: do you see him as a potential partner to Maxous? If so, why not vote Maxous?

@Maxous: what do you think we're doing with our vote?
-smart

The bold for me.
Lots of following the crowd and non stance behavoir.

Yeah the post was pretty bad
But I don't think that overrides the fact that they were the counterwagon to scum day 1
Especially considering it was SS who made the post and SS is always awkward as hell

[SirCakez]

okay. me saying to magna, "no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk" is me mentioning something about there not being a nk. so no misrep happened.

But you never claimed to be behind the no nk until now?

[SirCakez]

okay. me saying to magna, "no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk" is me mentioning something about there not being a nk. so no misrep happened.

But you never claimed to be behind the no nk until now?

role fishing

1560 was loaded

[SirCakez]

okay. me saying to magna, "no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk" is me mentioning something about there not being a nk. so no misrep happened.

But you never claimed to be behind the no nk until now?

this is an example of a loaded question.

I mean like this is a textbook version.

any answer to this is gonna be loaded for interpretation, since the intent of the question is to derive either an exact view or a view based on what is implied.

No its not?
It wasn't even a question, the question mark was there to indicate my confusion, like my first sentence here

[SirCakez]

Wake doesn't want to play my game because I found scum! See how much it works.

Wake?

But guys, I really want a mollie lynch

~Fire

I do too
We can push this through together tomorrow

Maria what's your Mollie read?

[SirCakez]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

And how would anything like that resolve without any NKs?

Vig doesn't need another nk to resolve
BG needs to be lucky to be proved really

[SirCakez]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

And how would anything like that resolve without any NKs?

Vig doesn't need another nk to resolve
BG needs to be lucky to be proved really

Besides mollies claim, what is tour issue with her?

Read my iso
Her claim isn't even the biggest part of my issues with her

[SirCakez]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

And how would anything like that resolve without any NKs?

Vig doesn't need another nk to resolve
BG needs to be lucky to be proved really

Besides mollies claim, what is tour issue with her?

Read my iso
Her claim isn't even the biggest part of my issues with her

your iso is full of a bullshit, backpedaling and saying shit that was not actually taking place.

I wld think a town!you wld listen to magna and back off at this point while a scum!you wld feel obligated to the commitment of the scumread.

are you hoping to do to me what you did to glork in the summer game? at 1 point it was nearly all scum voting him and he got lynched cos he got ran over by a metaphorical truck IRL, and I thought "yeah I don't want him to have to fight this and no1 is fucking listening to me when I am trying to tell them that glork is likely town". he is a IRL friend and I hated our hammer on him. I knew he was likely town.

cos that is what it feels like.

your iso wrt me is garbage.

Like what?
What does Magna have to do with this?
No because I'm not scum this time.

[SirCakez]

How are your quotes of my reads scummy?
I can see how you'd dislike the first quote but the rest have me confused.

[SirCakez]

Huh?
Mollie has been deathtunneling Wisdom the whole game, with some side jumps to Hebi and I
My reads were pretty bad day 1 and early today but they have evolved since then

Mollie is still stuck on the same people
So I don't get the comparison

[SirCakez]

Huh?
Mollie has been deathtunneling Wisdom the whole game, with some side jumps to Hebi and I
My reads were pretty bad day 1 and early today but they have evolved since then

Mollie is still stuck on the same people
So I don't get the comparison

where have they evolved? I mean you are still saying that I am scum and I am your major push.

I wasn't even pushing you until partway through today?
And I'm not even voting you rn.

Huh?
Mollie has been deathtunneling Wisdom the whole game, with some side jumps to Hebi and I
My reads were pretty bad day 1 and early today but they have evolved since then

Mollie is still stuck on the same people
So I don't get the comparison

where have they evolved? I mean you are still saying that I am scum and I am your major push.

This is true.

Basically changed from death tunnel on catdog to death tunnel on mollie for weak reason.

Not even a death tunnel

[SirCakez]

i feel like this is going in circles.

should probably just get rid of one of the low content players

eh, i'll vote back on PV

vote: PeregrineV

basic or ank either whichever.

Disgusting post and vote for obvious reasons

Lmao 1-shot bulletproof claims are always fake
VOTE: catdog

Why didn't you vote herbi if that is true?

I believe this is the 4th time I'll have said this?
Because by the time she claimed she was already at L-1 and I didn't want to hammer yet

[SirCakez]

So Ive finally got done with my read (from page 40 odd and a few iso's dating from start.)
SirCakes wagon imho is a dud at least atm. It seems to consistently stem from bad blood meta reasons that im not inclined to go reading back over and try to sort again. The debacle at the start of Day1, its an uncomfortable position I’d assume being in MOHIS firing range along with him being the one of the prime Bandwagons Day1 and Day2. But with Hebichan all over him too while the wagon looks hot, and then goes vote hopping he admits it wasn’t his best game, and im just not feeling a bussing aspect to it. Cakes lynch is just one I’m not sold on atm.
I did wonder though Cakes, why did you ask permission to jump on Hebichan? Not that Im arguing now it to be entirely honest bar BBT's surprize hammer when he seemed to have little inclination to. Hebichan at a point was screaming scum.

For the fifth time now
I didn't want to quickhammer, we still had time left.

Pls read my posts people ;-;

I'd still lynch YAW in a heartbeat.

Are you going to keep ignoring my request for you to explain why YAW was a scum counterwagon to scum or will you just keep making cruddy posts like these?

UNVOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
VOTE: DrippingGoofBall

After rereading day 1 again I'm exchanging max/sc for basic in the same group.

So any wagon on Anka, basic or kuroi and I'm there.

Basic and Kuroi are both probtown
Ank is only one of those who could be scum but he's not a priority right now

[SirCakez]

Sc: why you town reading kuroi and basic?

Basic's posting (for example 980 and 1015) give me town vibes. I also liked their out of the gate Hebi push.
Kuroi is gut, not super strong.

[SirCakez]

I forgot Beeboy was in Ank's slot
That weakens my scumread there a lot

Xk and Catdog maybe? Im townreading them the least.

When did Xk turn into a townread for you? You were scumreading him earlier.

[SirCakez]

Ank forming as a counter to Max is definitely giving me bad vibes from the wagoners

[SirCakez]

Why are you concerned.
Do you really believe max is scum? If so who is scum with him.
Tbf this just reads as fake concern. There is more then one scum in the game and players can feel more strongly about their scum read.

Because I want to lynch scum, not town
Yes obviously
Xkfyu, Mollie and PV all look like probable buddies

No
Why arent you voting Maxous?

Because I just got caught up from the weekend and I still really want to lynch Cakez.

Of course you do, I'm not one of your scum buddies

[SirCakez]

Kuroi Mollie can go tomorrow
Let's get rid of Max first pls

[SirCakez]

I haven't really been following this game for a while. Not sure I'm comfortable with a Maxous lynch but I'm not town reading him strongly enough to fight against it either so meh.

Kuroi looks like a good lynch.

Why is Kuroi better then Max?

I'm not following players who think mollie is scum.
Sc: what motive does scum mollie have, when she says her ability self resolves when a playerror dies?

It's a fakeclaim that "confirms" her and is evidently doing a good job keeping her away from the rope.

4. KuroiXHF- It's complicated

Is there anyway to rephrase this that doesn't look like we're the Facebook relationship status of a high school couple and you saw me having lunch with someone else?

I think your daylong ride on Hebi looks bad. I don't like your 1002.

But, for the most part I do like your posting and find it town.

But, I am notorious (in my eyes) for having the wrong reads, (at what I feel are the worst times). Most recent is townreading Mirhawk for his play.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8210866
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8211570

This is the most recent example, but needless to say, if I am townreading you but no one else is, I know I'm probably wrong.

Vote: peregrine

This is murdering my townread on you

VOTE: Maxous

This couldn't have been scum. This must be a VERY terrible town move.

There's a clear on her ding dong

[SirCakez]

wtf is that supposed to mean?

[SirCakez]

There's a clear on her ding dong

Let me know what sounds wrong with that sentence.

not to mention that the hard push/deathtunneling on max is textbook to what a cw looks like,

what
Counterwagon to who?

I think that max is a counter to scum!kuroi

This is bs
The max wagon was in existence long before a Kuroi wagon was even considered

eh his claim looked honest so i cant pretend i dont expect him to flip town

The reason I don't think he'll flip town (I'll give you the way he dropped his claim looks townish) is that he literally stopped doing anything after he got hammered. Just, "I was VT" then he left. No reads, no more posting, nothing.
Not how I think town would go out.

[SirCakez]

2 votes = wagon

meanwhile maxous wagon has 7 votes

oook

4 votes on Pere.
7 goes to 9 real quick there.
You think Pere is town.

I'm going to love hearing that story why f4om you.

One of the votes was from someone who is GS cleared
The other was from Basic

So are you scumreading Basic then?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: peregrine
He's almost definitely scum

[SirCakez]

The Ank flip also makes Mollie being a Protective like she's been softing a lot less likely

[SirCakez]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

Here
And all the stuff about her "self-resolving" role

[SirCakez]

What was it then? I must have missed the explanation.

[SirCakez]

What was it then? I must have missed the explanation.

pls

[SirCakez]

Oh I get it now, thanks
Definitely sticking with PV today

[SirCakez]

Dwlee if you're scum I will find you and I will kill you

[SirCakez]

okay I am here, actually I am not sure if scum know what I am but I do not mind clarifying. I am t-dog, town bodyguard. it was why I was confused about the no no kill n1, but I knew that there wld be second protective role out there (and said as much, claiming bp was the single only believable thing about hebi since it was the second part of my role in 1 of the micro twd games. everything else about her looked super scummy and I SAID THIS). I bodyguarded magna n1 and bbt n2. magna for his lead on the hebi lynch and wis ppush. and bbt for his claim from him and his clear on dgb. I thought that he was softing that he was gonna look at wis but apparently he was 1 shot. I was hoping he cld get an extra view.

This wasn't what I was expecting, interesting.
Since it could actually be proved eventually then we're not lynching here.

MOHIS get your ass on the PV wagon

[SirCakez]

^
MOHIS I was deadset on her being scum too but the claim is pretty strong
PV is definitely scum, help us lynch him

[SirCakez]

cakez, who would you lynch other than pv?

ffs it should be obvious why I'm so focused on lynching PV

But I'll answer anyway
I would also lynch Xkfyu, or potentially Basic or Dwlee since CatDog's flakeout after UTL push on me fell apart looks very scummy
I probably have a wrong townread somewhere

[SirCakez]

In a way yes

[SirCakez]

It's not a 100% guilty but it's something that highly incriminates him as scum

[SirCakez]

Mollie I'm not pushing you as scum anymore?

[SirCakez]

cakez, who would you lynch other than pv?

ffs it should be obvious why I'm so focused on lynching PV

But I'll answer anyway
I would also lynch Xkfyu, or potentially Basic or Dwlee since CatDog's flakeout after UTL push on me fell apart looks very scummy
I probably have a wrong townread somewhere

that is not an answer

"Who would you lynch other then PV?"
"Xkfyu, Basic, Dwlee"

[SirCakez]

dwlee am I going to have to follow up my promise from earlier?

[SirCakez]

DGB/Magna, why are you guys not voting scum PV?

[SirCakez]

That applies to everyone not voting PV but I'm most interested in the response from those two.

[SirCakez]

I missed that, mb
I'm missing a lot of things <.<

[SirCakez]

I have results highly incriminating him as scum + he was a scumbutt around the Hebi lynch + he's been dodgy as hell today

[SirCakez]

he's been dodgy as hell today

he's VLA and hasnt posted yet today

Was not aware of this

again <.<

If you have results that make him scum why can't you out it if it's not 100% he can flip town and it gives you room to claim a dif role.

Because I don't want to full claim when I've already made my results clear?
If he flips town I'll full claim and it will make sense

[SirCakez]

Well it feels clear to me but that's probably because I know my role, so yeah

There is one event that could have happened to me that I don't think is super unlikely that would make my result invalid
But that wouldn't clear him of anything

[SirCakez]

When I do claim my role will be extremely obvious town regardless

[SirCakez]

15

[SirCakez]

<3

[SirCakez]

His claim could potentially be relevant so pls no lolhammer

[SirCakez]

@ far

already on it

@ cake boy

I really liked your concern about dweelee but I am wondering why you are having a hard time keeping track of things when you are soft claiming a speshul.

how do you feel about catdog slot now that catdog has been replaced and dweelee is largely doing nothing?

I think it's scum again
Town Dwlee would be doing things. And I hate the way CatDog flaked out.

I really want to see Cakez's fullclaim before the day is over.
-smart

Why?

[SirCakez]

The fact people are dragging their feet so much is a good sign

[SirCakez]

That's what I and Magna argued about the Maxous wagon too and yet it was wishful thinking

True

I agree with the above

I dont see why you dont just claim so we can decide for ourselves if your result is really a guilty. Theres even a bodyguard to protect you if needed.

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

The fact people are dragging their feet so much is a good sign

I am not dragging my feet, you said to wait for perv so I am waiting for perv. plus I am not in a rush. I am still sorting the game with the new info that I have.

This is fine
I was more referring to the people just completely dodging the discussion on PV

oh what
I thought cakez was softing gunsmith
wtf??

You can't be serious.

I'm not sure why players have this paranoia about sir cakez claim without waiting for Pere to claim first.
Whomever is demanding a claim on sir want to explain why Pere shouldn't claim first?

Common sense.

Cakez is giving himself a huge out here. He already admitted that there is a 15% chance that Peregrine could be town.

If Cakez's result is as damning as he seems to think it is (while simultaneously acknowledging that there's a decent possibility that Peregrine is town), Peregrine's claim shouldn't make a difference. However, if Cakez is scum, he might be able to adjust his claim based on Peregrine's.

-smart

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

[SirCakez]

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

I can't say that I'm a fan of you softing a claim that's supposedly obv-Town but will be useless if fully claimed ....

I don't understand what you're getting at?

[SirCakez]

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

I can't say that I'm a fan of you softing a claim that's supposedly obv-Town but will be useless if fully claimed ....

I don't understand what you're getting at?

Basically you soft claimed.
He can't see why a full claim makes the ability useless.

Because right now my softclaim isn't giving anything away to the scumz
If the scum know what my role is then it will be mostly useless (at least from what I'm predicting)

Seems clear

[SirCakez]

Kuroi wtf?

[SirCakez]

it's not even an opinion

mollie has been pushed to claim what the fuck she has for days now and you're acting like it came from nowhere

it's not even an opinion

mollie has been pushed to claim what the fuck she has for days now and you're acting like it came from nowhere

it's not even an opinion

mollie has been pushed to claim what the fuck she has for days now and you're acting like it came from nowhere

Kuroi you're not this bad dude

[SirCakez]

Yes I am ffs
You're saying Mollie's claim timing makes no sense since she wasn't being pushed

That's complete BS, there is loads of evidence of her being pushed up to her claim

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

omfg
Scum PV has to die but this can eat rope tomorrow for sure
Looks like this is the townread I was wrong on

[SirCakez]

You're just feeding the troll at this point

[SirCakez]

I do not have a result today unfortunately
I said I would do this after scum PV died and I will

VOTE: kuroi

[SirCakez]

Kuroi/Maria/Basic/Dwlee

P sure rest of scum are in here

[SirCakez]

Ye I forgot those two Wisdom
Would vote Magna since that's an acceptable wagon but I'm not sure of the vc

[SirCakez]

If it isn't Xkfyu, Kuroi is my next pick too.

You had Kuroi as your top scum pick yesterday (aside from PV) tho.

^ew
How do you have both Maria and MoI in there

Why is Xk town?

This makes no sense, considering you were just pushing his wagon?

What changed/weakened your reads on both of these?

[SirCakez]

What did you POE?

[SirCakez]

@Cakez Ive had xk as a scumread before kuroi started scumposting.. And kuroi is kuroi after all

mmmmmk
I'll take this for now

VOTE: xkfyu

[SirCakez]

I do not have a result today unfortunately

Were you blocked?

I probably was, considering my guilty yesterday, but I don't know for sure if I was or not.

P-edit: Farside, I'm going for Xkfyu because I think Wisdom's argument that scum wouldn't want to bus their ninja day 1 makes sense. Xkfyu dodged that wagon all day d1.

[SirCakez]

I do not have a result today unfortunately

Were you blocked?

I probably was, considering my guilty yesterday, but I don't know for sure if I was or not.

P-edit: Farside, I'm going for Xkfyu because I think Wisdom's argument that scum wouldn't want to bus their ninja day 1 makes sense. Xkfyu dodged that wagon all day d1.

Didn't max get voted for that?

Excuse me while I ignore that.

Yeah he did
Some of the offwagon votes had to be town by the nature of POE
But definitely not all of them were

[SirCakez]

I do not have a result today unfortunately

Were you blocked?

I probably was, considering my guilty yesterday, but I don't know for sure if I was or not.

P-edit: Farside, I'm going for Xkfyu because I think Wisdom's argument that scum wouldn't want to bus their ninja day 1 makes sense. Xkfyu dodged that wagon all day d1.

Didn't max get voted for that?

Excuse me while I ignore that.

Yeah he did
Some of the offwagon votes had to be town by the nature of POE
But definitely not all of them were

Pere was off the wagon.

There you go

Probably more then 1 <.<

[SirCakez]

MOHIS what about xkfyu?

[SirCakez]

BBT why are you dodging voting Kuroi or Xkfyu?

[SirCakez]

I am very tired, will catch up tomorrow morning

[SirCakez]

Catching up now

[SirCakez]

MoI is still alive?????????????????

Blame wis and cakez.

BBT why are you dodging voting Kuroi or Xkfyu?

Because I don't think they're scum.

Ok, why not?

So basically your just here to tear apart case and push a lurker lynch

Xkfyu isn't a lurker lynch, there's a shitload of evidence indicating him being scum

To be honest, I really struggle to read MoI just because I'm not good at reading people who only post in walls. There's some stuff indicating he's town, some he's scum.
But I'm like 99% sure Xkfyu is scum and would much rather get rid of that then someone who is like 50-60% scum at best for me