The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[My Other Head Is Scum]

This is the town head talking.
Telling you all that the scum shall burn where they stand!!!!

That includes my other head who is obviously scum


~The Town Head, Firebringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: hebichan

Hebichan is always scum.
I have zero proof of this so you must take my word.
My word is truth!!!

~Townbinger

[My Other Head Is Scum]

hi guyz

whats going on

No vote like this in rvs makes mollie confirmed town, based on expert analysis of most of her games.

This makes her town and catdog, maybe dgb, but probably not dgb.

~The Voice of Town On Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Answer for your crimes Hebichan!
I have proof you didn't go to snake school for the gifted!!

YOU HAVE LIED TOO MANY TIMES.

How do I know I even hurt your feelings?

~FireTown

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I never said I went to the snake school for the gifted.

I said I went to Miss Hisser's Snake Academy for Girls.

Don't misrepresent me.

No wonder I don't recognize you,
I went to the snake school for the gifted.

They let me in even though I was a lizard, we really broke species barriers when I got into the school.

I will stop misrepresenting you.

VOTE: Vedith

~Townheadbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

If you're the town head, does that mean your other head is actually scum?

WHy else do you think I am voting him?
He is always scum in games I am in.

So he must be scum in this.

Its only logical

~FireTown

[My Other Head Is Scum]

UNVOTE: Vedith

Bad scum head, bad!

VOTE: Young and Witless
Broke the wagon chain and tried to be friendly.
This is me taking it out of RVS, challenge me!

-Town head Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: other head

Vedith is so scummy, right?

Unless this is a vote because you think I am scum.
Because obviously I got the town role pm.

~Townbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

i'm here and i'm town.

hi all

Nope my Daycop says othewise

VOTE: Maxous

Daycop is op.
Ill talk to my scumhead to find out if this is his ally and then help you lynch him.

~FireTown

[My Other Head Is Scum]

What makes me anymore scummy that say, DrippingGoofball?

Probably the random reason to DGB hopping onto the wagon and making it clear that it was a Choo Choo.
However, I disagree with it entirely. Naked votes are an easier way to lay low when there's a wagon to giving an RVS reason.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

fire why is vedith trying to imitate you

Because Fire is my idol.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

fire why is vedith trying to imitate you

Because Fire is my idol.

-Vedith

Vedith is trying to butter me up!
He is up to no good.

<3

~FireTown

MOHIS is town probably

Why?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I could have sworn it was more then that

Oh I thought a bunch of the Fire posts were from Vedith
Welp my bad

Null then, most of the posts I thought were from Vedith were NAI Fore posts

So like everything I post is a NAI but if Vedith posts it would be town?

Ummmmm...what?

Is everyone hell bent on keeping me in a null category for my whole mafia career?

Can you just call me scum. Id prefer it then null at this point.
Being scum at least means I am readable.
Not just a down the line mislynch option out of a compromise.

~FireTown

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Actually, I am cool with it.

I am the nullbringer from this day forward.

Hey Vedith buddy, people can read you better, so I MUST SILENCE YOU!
Let me post, they must never know our alignment!!!

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: My Other Head Is Scum

I found the scumz guys

DONT YOU DARE TRY TO FIGHT THE NULLBRINGER

HE WILL TURN YOU TO NULL!!

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Fire I won't pretend that I can read you. I do try though =(

I kind of feel like

VOTE: sircakez

Yes. This is good.

Town post.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Beeboy, jump on this wagon with me. It'll be a good time.

But I am null reading Firebringer and he just said that if I was null reading him I should scum read him instead o3o.

I agree with beeboy on this one catdog.
its pretty solid reasoning.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I have Cakez as null, but the fact he didn't bother actually reading to see who signed the posts is pretty darn scummy.
But Cakez is also very often the mislynch bait.

Cakez, why did you think Vedith posted more? I clearly signed almost all my posts.

~Nullbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

If i start scum reading you at some point I will start null reading you because I don't want to give scum what they want.

This doesn't even make sense.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

No, I can't shake that annoying feeling that Cakez had to have read the signing at the bottom.

VOTE: SirCakez

Maybe mislynch bait, but lets presssure him!


~Townbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Good I don't plan on making any sense this game.

Name a single game you made any sense. Ill give you a cookie if you manage it.

~TownFire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Guys I caught scum on page 3. Do you think hiplop will be proud of me?

No.
He will be disappointed that you didn't game solve by page 3.

~Fired Up

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Catdog, what you think of beeboy this game?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I think it's much easier to read Vedith

We don't have any completed games together I believe (correct me if I'm wrong)
So how can you read me easily?

Scum found lads, lets go, lets go!

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64567
And I've read other games with you in them (Netherspite's SORM games, You could be anyone 4, hardcore mafia 2)

But that 1 game we played, my IP messed up and I had to stop playing day 1. So how would you have got that so easily?
You was non town in that game, so where did you read on me work out from?

I think that the other games you said, I was town in all of them, right?

So how do you determine my scum game to town game?
Feels like you just selected some random completed games from me.
Concerning my activity, explain how this is an indication of my alignment? I can give both scum and town games where I am both active posting, or posting a lot less.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

It's still a game I played with you, drop out or not

That's the point, I'm pretty good at identifying your town game given I've read a lot of your town game

But if you haven't seen my scum game, then no, you're not good at it. I could play the same, I could not, how would you know if you haven't seen it?
I also don't consider 3 games plus 1 game where I wasn't even in for a day a lot of games.
The games you decided to read are very questionable as choices as well imo. Tell me, what made you read those 3 in particular?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Actually, that game we were in, you had me as scum until Lucky2u and HERRMMMMM told you I wasn't, then you unvoted me because others wouldn't push me, considering you were an Alien and not town.
Yeah this is a complete lie from you.
People should be voting here, lets go, lets go!

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

wat?

I just checked your ISO in the game we were in together.
You had me as scum, Lucky and Herm said I was town and you then unvoted when they said. How is that

you

reading me right?
Shortly after that, I wasn't in the game.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

wat?

I just checked your ISO in the game we were in together.
You had me as scum, Lucky and Herm said I was town and you then unvoted when they said. How is that

you

reading me right?
Shortly after that, I wasn't in the game.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I never said I read you right in it....
It's just an example of the meta I have with you

But you don't have meta with me.
You picked some random games because I called you out, and were not smart enough to even include a scum game it.

How can you meta someone if you don't see them play as both scum and town?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I mean, look at this

High activity and engagement which is rare from Vedith and I don't think he'd be like this as scum

The top poster in Molla's Grand Idea Mafia had 96 posts. I had 50 and didn't even play the entire day 1.
SORM - I have 4 people with higher posts and I was night killed on night 2.
Hardcore Mafia II I had the most posts in the game
The Upick I assume is Anything UPick! by Bins - I was second top poster.

So if you know my meta so well, and you have only read these games, how is my activity rarely high?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

YCBA was a large theme, you played it under MOHIS and you lurked your balls off there from what I read
I remember lurking in the others too but apparently not? I'd have to reread.

How did I lurk?
Fire even said that he hadn't spoken to me since day 1 in the game and that it was him running the shots for us (considering you read the game).
This was during the time I was unable to get on to play. So if you read this game, you can see that I was not in the game or on the site at all during that point.

I think I've given enough proof to your lie.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Your hydra had less posts then a majority of the game there, looks like lurking to me.
I don't know exactly when you "dropped out" but you were a part of the hydra at some point.

But you do know when I dropped out as it happened during the same time of the only completed game we have together. I said that I am IP banned in the game that I was with you, and the only reason you would have read those games were because of that game, correct?
So lets face it, you never read those games of mine because you would have known I posted a lot in those games, and also known that Fire was solo playing in upick.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Where are the other 16 players damn

That's what I want to know!
It's even prime time for the American players, right?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I'm not talking about a uPick game?

You can be anything / upick - You know exactly what I mean.
But yeah, you just said it yourself - It was half a year ago, how do you remember my meta?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Page Top ^_^

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

You could be anything wasn't a uPick.....
I can remember things from half a year ago but they aren't exact. Like I said, to be super accurate I'd have to reread.

The right name of the game doesn't mean anything, we both knew exactly what game we are talking about.
It's not that they aren't exact, it's that they are the opposite to what you are saying. You said that I am rarely active, 3 out of the 4 games I was very active.

The other concerning part, is if you thought I was rarely active as town and only saw my town game, then surely if I was active, that would be an indication to me being scum, not town, right?
We really need additional input here for others. It's a large game so no reason to why there can't be more people getting involved.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

@Beeboy - You must have something to add about this.
Since you are here, lets hear something.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Also, I said that I thought you being active was indicative of you being town? Go reread.

Exactly, after you saying that it's rare that I am active.
I can tell when someone wants to buddy or aim for early town credit.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I don't think whether or not Cakez has proper meta on Vedith actually matters because I don't think Firebringer was really actively engaging either so even if Cakez has proper meta on Vedith I am still liking my vote.

But I've proven that what he said was a lie.
It's not the fact that he claims to have meta, it's the fact that everything he said contradicts itself or is a lie.

I'm glad you voted there though, we need more like you.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

What are you talking about?
You have never seen me play scum.

~FireTown

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I disapprove of AtE in any form.

Vote: MyOtherHeadIsScum

Town post.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Wait... is cakez really arguing people are being too active? That's kinda a silly thing. You don't know if there were otherhttp://www.howtogeek.com/186775/ho ... a-legally/ circumstances involved in the past, or maybe having a hydra partner just motivates vedith more.

This part of the post feels bad to me btw.
It might be nothing......
meh

~Nullbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Its way to early for a tactical AtE.
Tactical AtE is like being wagoned and about to be lynched and using AtE to get out of it.

I do it when I am not even a lynch option and then everyone thinks I am scum for it, its really hilarious.

~Nullbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

Yeah, umm I can't believe no one understood my frustration on the fact i replaced into a game where i was VT while 4 people replaced into a PR slot and we lynched them because we thought it must have been a scum lurker.

That was just like, blew my mind.

~Nullbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

You're being overly defensive for someone I'm calling town, like, calm down man.

What defensiveness?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

You're being overly defensive for someone I'm calling town, like, calm down man.

What defensiveness?

Also you didn't call me town, so what the hell you talking about?

Its like your not reading my posts or your own.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

SirCakez is town for trying hard to bring progress to the game.

In what way did he try to progress it?
Explain your entire theory here.
-Can town on progress games? (Keep in mind, this says "can", not "want to")

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I have some town reads, I have some scum reads and I have some null reads.

Talk to me about hebichan, Mollie and Maxous. Do any of these fall under these reads?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Although I agree with Kuroi, there is no relevance to the number of times he's rolled scum to town, the fact that he isn't even attempting to answer is the concern.
150 looks to be a forced post with including non serious comments. There is no mention to the conversation between myself and Cakes (regardless who was wrong, surely with that kind of catch up, it would have raised an eyebrow there).
The vote on Hebichan has nothing backing to it apart from "I don't like this", but yet he questions BBT and Mollies votes.
He says that he likes Sir Cakes vote even though it could be opportunity voting.
Has CatDog as scum rather than not - No vote or follow up, instead votes hebichan, then calls Fire's post town for calling CatDog town.

The consistency just isn't there.
@Cakes - Give me your view on this.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Where are the other 16 players damn

I can give some examples, like this. I am impatient like this when it comes to scum hunting.

You can also ISO SirCakez for full resolution. It's not fake, it's someone wanting activity.

So your only example of Cakes pushing the game forward is him wanting other people to join in because I caught him out?
He wanted the focus to go away, not to progress the game.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I can't read Fire for the life of me but I don't like 80, particularly this line:

I'd like to discuss this with Smart when he's on. Why does Fires read alter what I say?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Why should I answer this? This is simply not relevant to anything. If Mollie asks me for town game and scum games, I'm fine answering this (although she does know a scum game from me)

Okay, I see what you are saying, but then what is the issue with answering it? Would you not like to see where she is going with it? Do you feel if you said "I'm mostly scum" (for example) that you would be lynched on that basis?

Is this a forced post BECAUSE there's no mention between you and Cakes?
For what it's worth, I'm not sure what to make of the interaction, but I'm not comfortable with a Cakez lynch. However, that's only because I found people I'd rather lynch. I also don't want to defend or white knight Cakez because I'm not sure enough that he's town/

No, it's forced because I don't understand your reads at all, the fact you didn't mention about our discussion is another issue.
The whole post is forced reads, just to confirm.

...and?

You are basically disliking their votes for the same reason as you voted...

Yes, because could is a conditional tense word.

But this was your read on him. Surely the vote would be null, instead you like it.

I considered voting CatDog, but I only have one vote. As far as Fire, he's wrong on his defense of CatDog, but he's town. Town can be wrong. In fact, being wrong is often a town vibe.

But your CatDog read had backing to it. You even put that you think he's scum trying to be town. Hebichan is "gives me a bad vibe".
To me, that suggests that CatDog is your top scum read.

The only reason that I'm not voting you is because me and Fire are still discussing you right now with slightly different opinions.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

MOHIS who is your 190 referring to?

Kuroi...
But I asked for your opinion on that post as I'm interested to what you will have to say.
Do you have a read on Kuroi at all?
However, I am off to bed, but I'll log back on this account around the same time tomorrow.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I mean, they are mild annoyance at the fact i am always null read PeregrineV.
Can you explain your thought process on a strategic AtE when I am not being scumread or pushed by anyone and its 4-5 pages into Day 1?

I am trying to understand why you think I would "strategic AtE" this early as scum.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

Like I said, normal D1 trolling for FB.

You are rude.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Lol so it's suddenly rude to speak the truth all of a sudden?

The truth is often very rude.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

i would prefer to have IPS' slot vigged honestly because if he's not gonna play then, whatever.

It's day 1. Either he plays or gets replaced...

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I think his readslist and voting was janky but his posting is ALWAYS awkward and janky so I'm hesitant to scumread him for it.

Fire seems to have the same kind of thought process here, I've not played with Kurio to my knowledge, so I'm going to go with Fire on this one.

My other head is scum gets major town points if/when Y&W flips scum for post #186.

I've seen scum do more at each other before. I'm not sure why there would be town point involved here?

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Fire is very emotional. I mean, he has me as his partner, how much worse can it get.

This sounds scummy, but I like this line.

In what universe does that sound scummy?

So now I have
Town - Maxous, Kuroi, PV, MOHIS
Null - Beeboy, Xkfyu
Scum - BBT, TD, IPS, Maverick

How did you get all of those reads in 7mins?

he's posting in other games?

I do find it funny when people use this as a reason to scum read them.
It's a lazy way of reading imo.

I would lynch that too

Yeeeeahhh... No... I'm not liking DGB in this game so far.

Xkfyu is on my dislike list right now as well. 332 - Going for the favored opinions here.

If mollie or Cakes flips scum I’m going to let the other one be town in my book for pretty much ever given the way pressure come in to being on molls during the cakes(and kind of Y&W) wagon round post 290 or so.

Talk to me about this more. It's terrible.

Join the cool kids on the YAW wagon if you're not already on it!

Before hand I could have seen it, but that Hebi vote is pretty good imo.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Scum head fire is moving and I'm lazy.
I will do an update post tomorrow at work but I don't know the password for this account

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Can we just sheep you wisdom, I am too lazy and I don't know what my other head has been doing besides scumming it up.
I remember thinking you were a town lean so thats good enough for me!

~Fire, Town Head

[My Other Head Is Scum]

farside22 replaces Iprobablysuck

HI!!
*waves*

HI FARSIDE!!!!

Glad to have you on this shipping bat we call the walking dead.
BTW has anyone seen Fear the Walking Dead?
i really can't decide if its good or just terribly boring.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Works for me senpai

VOTE: Hebichan

Hebi was acting a bit weird in the beginning, kind of confrontational that I haven't seen from her.
Wasn't a townread for me.

~Townbringer

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I kinda think mollie is scum but gonna keep that in the back of my mind

lets lynch YAW?

I think mollie is scum to, but apparently she is a no lynch today, meh.

Not feeling YAW tbh.

Why not hebichan?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

scumlean
otherhead

How dare you read Vedith as scum!
Only I am allowed to do that!!!

~Firehead

[My Other Head Is Scum]

YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

So, why are these for scum reads?
Maxous is voting YAW with you, opinion? Mollie isn't voting either lead wagon, opinion?

I'm not sure why we are sheeping Wisdom here. I guess Fire sees something I don't.

Yeah, wisdom is town.

Mollie, in your opinion, are you any good at faking frustration?

I could vote Kuroi if the YAW lynch really isn't gonna happen. I'd probably prefer lynching him over hebichan.

Do you guys really think YAW is town?

Yeaaaah, I'm not a fan of xkfyu here.
Tell me, why do you think hebichan is town?
Your original scum read on YAW was sheeping BBT. It then advanced after others put effort in against YAW.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

I mean, he could just be genuinely be teetering back and forth, but why wouldn't he say that?

As for mollie not being on either wagon... Distancing? There is almost certainly scum on my wagon with the amount of votes there.

Keeping his options open for more towncred?
You described fence sitting, and that doesn't get you towncred.....

What are you talking about here?

I don't like this post by hebi

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

For those (yes, mainly DGB) who think the following thought process is from Town let's read carefully.

Hebi is asserting that Maxous is keeping his options open between YAR and Hebi for

TOWNCRED

.

I've capitalized and bolded the important word.

How, from a Town perspective, does Hebi expect that Max is keeping the option open between the two of them to get Towncred? By jumping to a hypoTown Hebi lynch? He's not going to get Towncred for that. From staying on a YAR lynch if Hebi's goes through? He's not going to get Town cred for that even if YAR is scum ... Max has been too passive and not pushing YAR hard.

The only way Max should be keeping his options open for Towncred is if Hebi is scum and Max can eventually shift from YAR to Hebi to help a successful scum lynch (bus or honest move either way this is the only scenario that makes sense).

Town Hebi should not have come up with that scenario and say Max is looking for Towncred. Scum Hebi on the other hand ...

Agree with 100% of this post and I think MoI is more town for it.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Prod me again, and I will start spamming the god damn thread.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Why is this so complicated.
Lynch Hebichan, move onto the night.

We are done with this day, its getting dark and the dead are out tonight.
I have my shotgun to help me deal with this, but you know I don't have infinite bullets.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

got prod

can we just lynch hebi shes obviously scum at this point

Thats what I have been saying

~fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

My Other Head is Scum has been prodded.

The scum head of Vedith and the town head of Firebringer both thank you.

~fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: hebichan

gogo self hammer rangers.

I played badly and don't feel like giving too much more time to respond.

If anyone needed more proof.

Someone be my hero and do vote this now.

~fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Oh, I thought I was hammering. Dammit all.

Its alright, you are dead now.

Here a song for you:



~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Young and Witless (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, hebichan, DrippingGoofball

So which one here is scum trying to stop the Hebi lynch?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

When you replace into a game (one that isn't even very long for large theme standards), yes that's what's expected.....

I mean, I hard readly correctly starting the game, let alone if replacing in...
Instead of complaining and saying read the game, give people for Maria to ISO, or parts of the game to check.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: wisdom

I don't get it.
Wisdom helped push Hebi over YaW.

i dont like hebichan's reaction to Kuroi

VOTE: hebi

4th vote on Hebi when YaW had 5

stop tunneling

Bbt youre better than this shallow tunneling

Pushing for BBT to vote Hebi

What case do you have on Wisdom to get votes on him other than "He's was bussing"? (I'm assuming that's the case)

Concerning Hebi - 343 is what stands out. The names on null, instead of just having everyone as null, it has IPS (Farside), PV, us and Cakez.
I now don't think that Cakez is as scummy, because of reasons, not sure where the scum head Fire is at with this read.
Now, PV had Hebi on as null even though Hebi was a main focus in the game 699 reasoning to be "about the same as most". Other than that, I don't see anything else that stands out for PV.
Farside has Hebi as town lean, then further into the game moves him to null, where then an easy request gets the vote there. I like Farsides play there overall, and the reads seemed to adapt as she read the game. Not worried about scum here.

Out of those names, PV stands out the most. He avoided the wagon, they both had each other as null without explanations and well, although nothing stands out on his posts, I don't see effort in his posts either. I expect some people might just say, yeah that's normal, but I disagree, PV lurks but still provides when he does. This so far seems like he's trying to go un noticed.

VOTE: PeregrineV

[My Other Head Is Scum]

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Do you have anyone you think I should ISO read though before I re read? Anyone you find sus that I can give input on.

I'd say start with Hebi, work from there.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Hi Maria, I'm far.
I didn't have a scum read on maverick.
My thoughts would be read the player that was lynched.
She was scum and see how and who she interacted with.
Also I'm scum reading catdog as I said as well as dgb.

Oh this was already said.
Well I'm too tired for this obviously

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I now don't think that Cakez is as scummy, because of reasons, not sure where the scum head Fire is at with this read.

Nowhere, but I agree with PeregrineV vote.

Peregrine is usually more apathetic as scum, and he seems t be going into apathetic mode, was trying to hide it in the early game, but I think a scum lynch got to him.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

vote:catdog

What even is this vote?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Do you have anyone you think I should ISO read though before I re read? Anyone you find sus that I can give input on.

ISO Wis!

Don't be a tunneling mollie, mollie.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

I am so divided on this post, and like.....I don't know.
I can see scum and town in this one.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

{Xkfyu, mollie, Peregrine, Maria}

Ill go on any of these except Maria, cause I have no read on Maria.
Who even did they replace?

Prefer Mollie or PeregrineV.

Actually, lets go with mollie.
VOTE: Pirate Mollie

I have no clue what vedith thinks of mollie, probably should ask him.
Meh, the scum head doesn't get input on this!

~Fire, towniest head of all.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Personally (kind of answering for wisdom). I have no strong read on sircakez, but he was a counter wagon to Hebichan, which was a scum lynch. So its possible or even more likely that makes him more likely town.

But, meh. Thats kind of bad reasoning, possible both scum, but not lynching Cakez at all today because of that.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

HUSH YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think you are town. your thought progression matched my own and it wasn't just me; it was secured with your interface with
magna and xk.

town reads in a snap, gutwise, not even looking at the game globally or trying to look deeper into whatever I made notes of are:

magna
wis
xfkyu (welcome back to my town pile. I can explain how I came to this conclusion if you want)
far
bbt
dgb
catdog (fistbumping far and I wanna see more plz)

Like this was a terrible post by mollie too.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I mean, I felt good yesterday that we had two scum wagons as leading wagons.

IMO, the only real cw to Hebi was YAW.

Thats also true I guess.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

BBT you feel like mollie is trying to sort the game, cause it really doesn't feel like that to me.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Well, her self resolving role was kind of why I wanted to leave her alone yesterday, the fact she is here and no update on that stuff makes me want to pressure her more.

Like look at that town list, it really didn't feel like a genuine thing, it was just like anyone who gets townread often or is usually strong town. It didn't feel real to me for w/e reason.

Meh. Catdog is also bugging me, and I don't think those two are together for w/e reason I can't explain.

And I definitely don't think Cakez is with either CatDog or Mollie.

Jesus I am doing so many fucking terribad preflips in my head.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Wisdom how town is Cakez on a scale of 1-Town

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Yeah....I townread him in Magical Girls too.....
And scumread you.

I was right in TTH game.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I really don't think wisdom is scum and I am having a tough time seeing how other people are getting that at all
-fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: Maria

I think i prefer this after all

Why?

I don't get the MariaR scumreads.
Just like I don't get people scumreading you.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Are you not reading? She keeps implying that a Maxous townflip somehow means im scum.

I am skimming if I am going to be honest.
You have a nasty tendency to call people scum who start thinking you might be scum.

You need to cut that shit out.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Like, thats either ridiculously shallow thinking or lining up lynches, and shes not dumb so its not the former

I have never found lining up lynches is a scum tell to be honest.
I have done it as town where I think if X flips town then this person is scum.
Just a line of thinking IMO.

Ill review her reasoning on why that flip would make you scum though.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Also, I don't like this female alliance, it feels like this is an episode of survivor, in which case, don't vote me off the island!!

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Maria, explain to me how being confident in a scumread means im scum if its wrong

No.
VOTE: Wisdom
I'm to stupid anyway remember!

>.>

Don't poke the dragon.
This is bad voting

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I don't know if you can tell but I'm not really in the mood for caring about this guy who has been on my case the whole fking game for 0 fking reason

Deal with wisdom like how I deal with wisdom.
By going to watch Death Note everytime he bugs you and rooting for Light to kill L.

Thats how I do it.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

But guys, I really want a mollie lynch

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Meh.
VOTE: Maxous

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

i really don't see anything scummy from maxous here.
I am just following you Wisdom.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I can't even find your reasoning through your ISO Wisdom.
I just see "hebi and Maxous were likely allies"?

I am guessing you are getting that from Maxous scumreading hebi but not voting them at the time?
Maxous ISO is filled with pressure points on Hebichan. I don't get this....

I mean, it could be a half buss, but it was decent enough pressure.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I guess it could have been a distancing?
Not sold on it totally, even though I am voting it lol.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

PROD DODGING

[My Other Head Is Scum]

@Those voting Ank:

Do you really think that scum would push the lynch of two (almost certainly) confirmed towns at this point?

That is NAI.
Seen scum and town do it.

Its actually something scum do to get town cred often.
Like "why woudl scum push that?"

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I refuse to read those walls

I really really wld like to play just 1 game where I don't have to wade through some1's shitposts. just 1.

Then don't play mafia?

I am kind of tired of the wall posts too.
They make so much fucking noise and I have lost patience of this game to even read half of them.

Fucking lets get a lynch.

My motto of the day.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

So like I said I didn't have a strong read on Maxous for scum, and those cases didn't do much for me.
How about we pressure mollie instead of push PeregrineV which seems like a designated low hanging fruit lynch, perhaps?

VOTE: Pirate Mollie

~Fire Head

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Seriously why a PeregrineV wagon instead of someone we can actually get their reaction from?
Unless you actually have some guilty on him.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Ank kill means that almost certainly scum found out about his role N1 somehow. I cant see them killing him of all people over 2 semi-conftown.

Suggesting he was role copped by a scum you think?

I can't see any hints of him being a PR in his iso.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I'd also lynch this

Why exactly?
Its been pretty easily established I am the most town here.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Where did she soft protective?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

designated low hanging fruit lynch

nah
Like already mentioned this is Peregrine's scum meta

I guess?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Ticks things off.
Voted peregrine day 2 calling him scum.
Jumped on the max wagon.
Calling peregrine low hanging fruit even though you had a scum read day 2 on him.
Did really push hebi as scum.
Rebuttal?

Can you start speaking english in your posts?
Cause I don't understand what the fuck you are trying to say.

Unless I am just brain dead.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I'd also lynch this

Why exactly?
Its been pretty easily established I am the most town here.

~Fire

Ticks things off.
Voted peregrine day 2 calling him scum.
Jumped on the max wagon.
Calling peregrine low hanging fruit even though you had a scum read day 2 on him.
Did not really push hebi as scum.
Rebuttal?

Fixed

Ummm I did push Hebi, I have no idea what the fuck your talking about.
I changed my mind on PeregrineV, don't want to lynch right now.
I did jump on Maxous and you not quoting the other posts where I said "I don't really care for this" is weird to me.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Its not even 24 hours into the day and theres already 5 votes on PeregrineV. Nobody finds that odd?

~FIre

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Yeah, we should really be pushing mollie for explanations, I don't like how we just keep letting her slide by explaining "self resolving" stuff.

We let her live 2 straight days.


~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Its a gut read.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Mollie just doesn't seem right. Like she looks like someone trying really hard to be town, without actually being town.
Like, I have never played with ScumMollie

But she definitely doesn't feel like townMollie

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

CatDog has requested to be replaced. Searching now.

Dwlee99 replaces Catdog!

Rude catdog, rude.

Mine

*pokes toothless with a stick* Get back in your hydra mr!

No u

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I don't believe mollies claim at all.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

ohh nvm. For some reason I thought I was T-Dog.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I still don't completely trust it though.
My gut says not to trust mollie.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I am not, cause I don't expect it to "self resolve"

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Cakez why are you in a hurry for a lynch we just opened like still only 24 hours ago

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Every post BBT does makes me want to lynch him more

No

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Any specific reason your ignoring my head Mollie?

-fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Any specific reason your ignoring my head Mollie?

-fire

well it certainly isn't personal! I like you and it isn't that I am avoiding you it is just that I do not know how to read you or relate to you sometimes, especially when you scumread me and it is wrong. vedith and i had a recent game where we kismet on our understanding of the game in way that was super obvs and clear to me. I understood him and I felt like he understood me. I have not had that experience with you quite so much altho i do think we had a moment in summer. I just have a better baseline with him so he is the head that I am reaching out to and I am wondering why he is ignoring me.

plus I am not particularly feeling the warm fuzzies about any1 who was on the max lynch. and I can't quite decide where I stand with magna because of it. his d1 play was great but on d2 he pushed max for really bad counter-intuitive reasons that I really feel like he shld have known better about and rn I am trying to unravel that piece of the game.

So you decide that you will just give up trying to read me this game even though you correctly read me in a prevous game?

That doesn't compute to me.

Do you think Vedith is purposefully avoiding this game?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I am wondering why he is ignoring me.

I'm not ignoring you.
I'm not sure what I'm ignoring yet, but I can ensure you that I'll be working on this account a lot more from today and working on this game (as we speak).

Given that I require more time with my responses while at work, but ask away while I read up properly.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Also, are there site rules for me to post once here on my main so I have the game logged?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

@Mollie, I can't find posts directed at me, can you quote them?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Bookmark it on your main if you use bookmarks

Otherwise its up to radja if hes okay with an ego post

Never used a bookmark, no idea how to work it. :<
I'll message Radja

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

So I looked at Cakez ISO with the semi guilty claim.
Looks like town, pushing for a full reveal isn't required imo unless it's helpful information.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Theres quite a few inactive slots in this game right now.
Would like to here more from Kuroi and Xkfyu

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

UNVOTE: Mollie
VOTE: PeregrineV

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

@Mollie, I can't find posts directed at me, can you quote them?

-Vedith

sorry but you will have to the iso digging yourself. I am working a ton and my time is a little limited and there are a lot of things that I want to address.

what I have noticed is that you have not been around at hardly at all. there are things that I wld think town!vedith wld respond to and instead all i see is fire with his shitty read on me and you doing nothing about it. I have know I have talked ABOUT you but it is hard to ask questions when I don't even know what to ask cos you are not posting, yanno? I did ask fire where you were you and his response was to go, "go ask him!" which is hard to do when you are not around, does this make sense?

I mean what am I supposed to do, shout into the ethers "OHHH VEEEEEEEDITHHHH" and hope that you respond? I thought I already tried that already.

That's fair.
Fire was probably just annoyed that I was a no show day 2...
I'm still going through but I don't like you as scum or BTT and Dwlee (Catdog).
I'm still reading up though.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

wisdom should i just sheep u

Sheep me

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

It would make sense for her to claim if there were already votes on her.

Wisdom, you're better than this. Seriously. There's not even a SINGLE vote on her.

This is dumb
The whole point is beyond dumb.
We just lynch kuroi tomorrow at this point.

Just because he's wrong doesn't make him lynch worthy.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

It does. Hes not this dumb and he admitted to playing dumb on purpose as scum in game of thrones

Pedit: @vedith

Playing dumb doesn't mean scum.
Define playing dumb though... Because he doesn't see things like you do?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

So, PoE leaves me with PV, farside, Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic, and YAW

How are we in that PoE at all?

~fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I have never liked trying to read FB, but I don't like the way he is still throwing shade on Mollie.

Throwing shade?
Like Mollie has appeared scummy to me all game, you think I shouldn't push my scumread just becase "power role" or something?

I am sick of people using "throwing shade" btw.
Its called scumreading.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

So, PoE leaves me with PV, farside, Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic, and YAW

How are we in that PoE at all?

~fire

Why wouldn't you be?

Did you do something incredibly townie over the weekend that I missed?

Day 1 motherfucker. Did you read it.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Peregrine you going to claim or what?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I did, but that was a long time ago. Remind me.

I am conf town browski.
Innocent child status.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Peregrine you going to claim or what?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

UNVOTE:

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2

Okay, this is likely going to need clarification. especially since we already had a flip doc and Mollie claim.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: peregrinev

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I thought BBT was already on the wagon, guess not.
Whatever

-Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Was that hammer?

VOTE: Pere

Just to be sure.

Auto lynching this game if pre flips town

No your not.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

wow, mollie was town.
Color me suprised. Which is grey mixed with green and purple I think or someone told me.


~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Basic, Kuroi or Maria should be the only ones to be voted today.
MoI is town. Voting here is silly...

VOTE: Kuroi

Let's go let's go!

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

MOHIS what about xkfyu?

I missed him off my reads.
I'll take a look at him tomorrow. What's your reason?

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

@MOHIS. What about basic, kuroi and Mariar is scummy? And why are we today's main?

Apart from Xkf who I didn't post to Fire about.
You 3 are the only 3 I don't see as town. I believe that my scum head buddy has a few doubts with my reads though.
The other 2 less weaker reads are Y&W and Wisdom but not enough for me to vote them over you.
Yourself is just as your other body didn't make an impact and I felt your joining point doesn't give any information as the wagon on the scum you joined was already well in motion.
As you can see the vote didn't go on you out of the 3 names.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I never thought a scum lynch from preceding day would demotivate me, but here we are and I am like "I don't know who is scum right now and everyone I am having trouble reading"

Meh.
I feel worthless.
I should just sheep Wisdom, that seems like a solid plan for all of time.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: Xkyfu

I AM THE CHAMPION OF WISDOM!

HE WILL LEAD ME TO VICTORY AND I WILL FIGHT THE BATTLES!

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

You just revealed you are scum in all other ongoing games.
I have you now.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Don't bother reading me. I am conftown from Day 1.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Wait wait let me see if I get this.
Moi is sus of BBT but is 100% okay with him joining the bw on me
He tries to keep pushing far side and yet keeps his vote on me cause he knows far side isn't getting lynched okay eat rope

Does VCA mean vote count analysis

Yes it does.

Fire I really hurt you won't sheep me here.
I had fish and everything to treat you with.

I mean, I am not toothless here though.
Vedith and Me fused to make a nasty dragon.

A half scum half nice dragon.

I am obviously the nice town dragon.
But I still don't eat fish anymore.
We don't digest it well.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

But like, I have a townread on you and Wisdom, Farside.
Which feels weird cause you were all on my case yesterday for some reason and I had you at null.
I kind of think PV lynch cleared you, but I don't know why.

Meh.

~Fire

I could sheep either of you two, I am positive your both town.
For some reason I feel like that is going to be quoted post game in a hilariously bad hindsight moment.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Can I be as bad as farside?
Being as bad as farside is still better than what I am in general!

~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Still conftown Xkfyu

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
Good with that.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Still conftown Xkfyu

~Fire

I'd really like to take you out of my POE list. So, it would be great if that were actually true, but I went back and looked, and the only thing I saw was that you were pretty early on the hebi wagon.

And I hope you don't expect me to confirm you based on that.

Yeah, I am conftown for that.

*says in the naruto voice*
BELIEVE IT!

[My Other Head Is Scum]

So we are lynching Xkyfu?
Sure:
VOTE: Xkyfu

I am lazy.
Also Hi Maria

~~~~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

also *nuzzles fire*

You beat toothless in two games.
He isn't too happy.

Be town this game pls.

~~~~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I am a 1 shot cop, someone tell me who to check?

~~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I tried that night 1. He gave me a refund for my shot and said that he was Neutral Mod.
I call bs.

~~~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I'm betting sk over vig.
I need to check something

What?
So you think theres an SK who only can shoot once or has been stopped from kililng till now?

I think Kuroi is more likely vigi kill.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I'm betting sk over vig.
I need to check something

I find it very hard to believe there is a Serial Killer in this game given the Night 1 - 3 death tolls ...

Unless there is a metric fuckton of hidden Town protective power out there.

This This This

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Want to just lynch Basic and call it a day/game possibly.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Theres no way in hell that Kuroi was killed by Mafia, he was clearly lynch bait for the whole game.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: Basic

~~~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Want to just lynch Basic and call it a day/game possibly.

~Fire

You really think basic was bussing her scum buddy since day 2?

I'll be frank, very few thought kuroi was scum.

Very few thought of him as strong town either.
I never had him above null town in my reads.

So why would you even assume it was him over Wisdom who was directly leading the town?
Theres no way in hell that Kuroi was a kill by mafia.

~~~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

It honestly is very doubtful that magna is scum based on Wisdom flipping too btw.
Unless you really believe theres an Sk going around then mayne, just maybe. But highly highly doubt that as a possibility.

Its probably just basic and someone vigged Kuroi.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

your claim was absolute trash and I don't understand it you weren't one of the major pushers on the Hebi wagon you weren't even close to a N1 target so the fact you didn't save it and used it on a LURKER none the less lmfao

lol?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

MoI's going to be town.
Lets not waste our votes there.

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

VOTE: basic
This feels better to me then moi by gut

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I think the scum is in MariaR/YAW/MOHIS

Want me to send you a PM with my role pm?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I know I have been wrong on MariaR a solid 2 times now.
Given my track record I should totally be not listened too..

but I really think she is town.
So please other people tell me I am wrong.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Okay Farside, wish granted:
VOTE: Magna

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Pretty sure its Magna or Basic.
Don't know what Vedith thinks.

The only other possible person it might be is YAW, but I am leaning slightly town on them.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Okay Farside, wish granted:
VOTE: Magna

Can I get money to pay all my debt off with that???

One wish per customer.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

DrippinGoofball do you have a wish from the mighty dragon?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Wait a minute.....

Did I hammer/
LOL
I TOTALLY HAMMERED AND DIDNT NOTICE LOL

Maybe thats game though.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I zombified DGB.
She is on the zombie team now.

Join us now farside. Theres cake.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Wait a minute.....

Did I hammer/
LOL
I TOTALLY HAMMERED AND DIDNT NOTICE LOL

Maybe thats game though.

I'm not falling for this

This looks like a coordinated scum hammer actually

Coordinated scum hammer?
You think theres 5 scum team in a fucking 17 player game?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I swear DGB was jester if I didn't know for sure this game wasn't bastard

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Isn't cult considered bastard?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Yeah its not possible for a cult to be in this game.
I can't believe I double checked that lol.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Yeah its not possible for a cult to be in this game.
I can't believe I double checked that lol.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft

You're the one that brought up this BS, scum

DGB shut the fuck up, your just stupid annoying right now.
Go be jester in another game.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Ignore her and think happy thoughts.
Like how this game might just be over.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I mean, theres no SK.
Theres on scum team member total left because 5 scum team in 17 player game is ridiculously op for scum.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I mean, theres no SK.
Theres on scum team member total left because 5 scum team in 17 player game is ridiculously op for scum.

The wis/kuroi death last night just seems odd. I feel like I was one of the few reading kuroi as scum and I can't shot.

Idk.
I think he was always kind of setup as a possibly mislynch so too me it makes sense a vigi would shoot him.
I mean, if we assume SK why would SK kill Kuroi?
Also this assumes SK is either limited shots or we have been saving SK target for several solid nights, which doesn't make sense either.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

What even would be the flavor SK?
The CDC guy?

~Fire (been posting this whole last few pages obvs)

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Thats terrible.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

lol Cakez is not scum man.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Maybe, I doubt it though.

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Like just looking at the dead here, I can't imagine that scum have a doc too.
Tracker, strongman, ninja.

All of these are good..
Doc also?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

I went back and looked at D1 VCs and it is really hard to see YAW as scum - both Hebi and Xk were on their wagon.

I don't know how MOHIS has skated by for so long unquestioned though.

What you talking about? I am Town as fuck.

~Fire