Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

We absolutely despise that question, Senator Peregrine. We find it to be trite and meaningless, used most often to falsely paint a loyal Senator confident of their position as weak and uncertain. We have several times considered banning its utterance from Our Hearing.

Mighty Caesar welcomes you back to these chambers, Senator Peregrine. What say you of the criminal Vecna?

Math had 5 players who I think are probably town as her scumteam, not to mention teaming them altogether (blech). SO I asked the question, resulting in the 2nd tier, and the designation of her "hard townreads".

Not sure Vecna is scum. Early game really came across as town. Aside from overposting like a a dissonant hydra, haven't found anything particularly scummy (until the ATE).

Plus he made an ABR case that I might go look at. And supposedly checked ABR's "vacation" story.

[PeregrineV]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[PeregrineV]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

We will sell no wine before it's time.

[PeregrineV]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

[PeregrineV]

Why react to my vote on you but not Skies and Sodom?

3rd vote- the dreaded scum spot.

Site meta shifted from that. Most scum avoid the third spot now like the plague.

I know. It's mostly shifted to the fourth spot. (Mostly depends on game size).

[PeregrineV]

Or they will have a scum buddy unvote just to change the order and come back on. Like the positioining is relevant in terms of front or back and consistency. Not so much the exact spot.

Yes. Please don't overanalyze.

Instead, look at the fact of what Nero had to say. Why did he vote draw criticism that the first 2 did not?

[PeregrineV]

Most traitors are stupid. This superstition is just that - superstition. And avoiding such for similar reasons is just as stupid.

Powerful argument.

If I were voting Nero for being scum for being the third vote.

Which I'm not.

So........

[PeregrineV]

Monday pre-prod post.

[PeregrineV]

dat coach from PV

Play left field and just catch the damn ball, Cain!

[PeregrineV]

Or they will have a scum buddy unvote just to change the order and come back on. Like the positioining is relevant in terms of front or back and consistency. Not so much the exact spot.

Yes. Please don't overanalyze.

Instead, look at the fact of what Nero had to say. Why did he vote draw criticism that the first 2 did not?

Because it's Nero???

Like?? I don't get the question.

The point was, like Sodam and Skies voted him he said nothing. I vote him and bam

AtE.

So I'm asking him why I am being treated differently. This is not a hard concept to understand. Also PV jumping in a giving Creature a maybe plausible explanation looks like coaching.

Yeah, I coached him to tell he it's a stupid superstition. And it worked....?

@Math

- What Nero said here. (C'mon Cain, hustle!! More hustle!!)

[PeregrineV]

Nahdia is also scum. She doesn't want a Creature lynch so she didn't count my vote.

whops fixed

There you go, Cain! Get in the umpire's face!!

[PeregrineV]

Here.

[PeregrineV]

I built the statue of Zeus. If I'm confirmed as town, scum can't kill me.

Who was your night1 target?

[PeregrineV]

Also, here but mostly in the smaller games for now. Anything important going on besides ABR claim?

[PeregrineV]

LOL ABR is full of shit.

If anyone noticed Nahdia kept saying that we'd have the entire game setup known eventually.
That means the priority list.
That means the priority list is on the first post.
That means that almost the entire game would have to reject the Statue of Zeus despite multiple people wanting it.
ABR has been saying he'd be building a wonder today multiple times (should memory serve and I will get the link later)

Lynch ABR.

I confirm <redacted> as scum or town.

And we get a huge leg up.

ABR has demonstrated a give no fucks to even read the game so killing him is one of the worst things because then he'd just kill town anyway because then he'd have an "ahaha" moment (sarcastic) where he'd claim he thought someone else was more scummy than us.

Lynch ABR please.

Math- do you know all of this is wrong, or do you think some of it is right?

[PeregrineV]

LOL ABR is full of shit.

If anyone noticed Nahdia kept saying that we'd have the entire game setup known eventually. Source
That means the priority list.
That means the priority list is on the first post.
That means that almost the entire game would have to reject the Statue of Zeus despite multiple people wanting it.
ABR has been saying he'd be building a wonder today multiple times (should memory serve and I will get the link later).

He said he doesn't vig townreads in response to suggestion of shooting us. He said we are stuck together when if he believes we are that bad the best use is a cop flip from us.

Lynch ABR.

I confirm <redacted> as scum or town.

And we get a huge leg up.

ABR has demonstrated a give no fucks to even read the game so killing him is one of the worst things because then he'd just kill town anyway because then he'd have an "ahaha" moment (sarcastic) where he'd claim he thought someone else was more scummy than us.

Lynch ABR please.

Math- do you know all of this is wrong, or do you think some of it is right?

I think all of it is right. Added sources and comments. I am tired.

You think the priority list is____________________.
You think this because ________________________.
You think multiple people tried to build Zeus because __________________.
If ABR did build the Zeus, he would not act like he was trying to build anything today because _______________________.
You can only confirm if nightkilled. You will be nightkilled because ________________________.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 2.17

Albert B. Rampage (7):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, Mathblade, Creature, nancy

Creature (3):

Sondam, Brian Skies, Nero Cain

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, Albert B. Rampage

ssbm_Kyouko (2):

Yuri, Maxous

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri (1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3):

PeregrineV, Elbirn, Akane and Nebby

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

davesaz has been prodded.

Utter nonsense.

Caesar and His loyal subjects have stalled quite specifically because We were awaiting your return to answer the charges against you. Senate tradition frowns upon prosecution and conviction

in absentia

. However, as you are now present and have little to say for yourself, thou villain, We now sanction a return to hostilities and endorse the motion against thee with Our vote in conclave.

We condemn thee to die, former Senator Rampage. May Pluto in His Wisdom judge you fairly, and consign you to the tender ministrations of the Furies in Tartarus.

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

------[]


VOTE: ABR


I hammer you. You're dead, scum. New day please.

pedit- there she is!

[PeregrineV]

You think the starting priority list is The player list on the first post.
You think this because Nahdia post telling us more of the setup would become clear as time evolves. Priority list is a part of the setup.

So nothing complicated like alphabetical by name, reverse alphabetical by name, reverse as listed, a random list maintained elsewhere, preference by greatest post count, preference by smallest post count, preference by who voted the most times, who voted the least times, who voted scum the most times (for town), preference by greatest post count in the day in question, or preference by smallest post count in the day?

Almost all of which can be confirmed with a little work (except random) esp. post-game.

You think multiple people tried to build Zeus because People said they would in thread. Especially those with weird speech patterns. Outing who is antitown.[/quote]
If they are town, we want scum to shoot them, becuase then there is a chance of killing scum instead. That logic aside, people say shit all the time, or even don't say shit. That does not dictate their actions when the whole build process is secret ballot.

If ABR did build the Zeus, he would not act like he was trying to build anything today because ABR would try to be NK'd and not lynched. He would have played differently.[/quote] I can pretty much guarantee he is not trying to be lynched. Acting like he doesn;t have anything would make him more likely to be shot, if that's what scum wanted, becasue then they would not think he has a wonder.

You can only confirm if nightkilled. You will be nightkilled because hopefully my scumreads are right or I am vigged...This last part is a hope.

Vig probably wont vig you. I doubt your scumreads are right. And you claimed, so it would make more sense to endgame you than shoot you. So your wonder is, for the most part, useless except to stop you from building another.

[PeregrineV]

I'll use it on whoever you want

If you are shot (doubtful) shoot whoever needs shooting.

[PeregrineV]

ABR didn't flip his shit so I really really doubt he believed that hammer. So we should probably just flip his shit. But idc if we just kill ssbm instead since that slot is scum too.

Shoot Nancy.

Vote: SSBM

[PeregrineV]

I just really hate Math's play. Who picks a Wonder that requires you die and then not want to die? lol

That is my point. I am saying ABR is a liar for that reason and the premise of him picking a wonder that requires you to die is false.

Goddamn it...Seriously PV.

Everything has to be available AT THE START.

Another priority list at the start of the game doesn't make sense.

Goddamn it...Please...not this again........*sigh*

Not at start-

Okay dudes, I'm gonna do something I don't like to do. I'm going to quote the sign-up thread for you, because it seems people are misinterpreting an earlier answer I gave and it's important to me that this be something that is understood in the course of this game. To be clear, this is information

you already have

.

The second goal was to reduce the amount of speculation that needed to go into the game on the part of the players. Too often I feel theme games are bogged down by consideration of various mechanical possibilities, discussions of what the mod would or wouldn't do, et cetera. Civilization Mafia strives to achieve both of these goals via a system that blurs the line between closed and open setup.

Rather than having everything revealed at the start

, or nothing absolutely confirmed until death scenes or the very end, each day more and more of the setup is unlocked. And as this occurs, all the new possibilities are revealed. You will enter the setup knowing nothing, but as the game evolves,

players will always be aware of the full scope of possibilities the game presents even as the setup evolves.

<3 to you!

[PeregrineV]

Shoot Nancy.

+1

VOTE: ssbm

Your failure to counterclaim the Zeus wonder is noted.

[PeregrineV]

SSBM wagon is stupid. *facepalm*

ABR should be lynched today.

I have good reason for thinking the prioirity list is the way it was but I literaally cannot say why.

God fucking damn it.

OK, then dont fret it.

ABR has more utility as a NK, like yourself.

[PeregrineV]

Senator Mathblade, We appreciate your crude attempt at discretion, but We did not instruct Our personal architects to construct a Statue honoring Father Jupiter. We instead bade finest stonemasons to construct a Pyramidal tomb for Our dynasty to repose for eternity in, that Our Wisdom and guiding Judgment might lead the world for a thousand years. Alas, it was not to be. Our workers had only begun to lay the foundation when rumors came from across the Tyrrhenian Sea that some upstart nation had stolen Our idea and constructed it themselves, most likely in a smaller and shabbier fashion, and of inferior stone. We take this as a sign from the Heavens that our plebian workers require additional training in order to better serve Imperial Rome, and have devoted Our efforts this session to improving their lot.

As for the barbarian Rampage, We remain steadfast in Our stand against him. Once a fine and dedicated politician serving Mother Rome, former Senator Rampage is quite unlikely to be taken in by attempts to coerce his admission of guilt by fabricating a premature conviction. While the Exchequer of the Senate does a splendid job tallying the votes of this conclave, any legislator worth his salt checks the votes himself before admitting defeat, and takes the opportunity to falsify a confession of innocence.

We are unconvinced.

Caesar echoes Senator Mathblade's affirmation that whether or not the traitor Rampage constructed a Statue to the Patron of Rome is thoroughly irrelevant, and proving this to be fact says nothing whatever about his ties to Barbarians. Indeed, we find his claim entirely plausible. A heathen may construct a shrine to the Father of the Gods as well as a loyal citizen can, and even make use of its power. Indeed, we contend that this power in the hands of the disloyal is quite dangerous, as it prevents an enterprising citizen of Rome from taking matters into their own hands, a notion that then-Senator Rampage was surely paranoid about at the end of Our first session.

We repeat the call to Senator Creature that he not be ruled by his personal vanity allegation, and that he return his vote where it belongs. We are most distressed at Senator nancy's sudden turn away from the cause of Justice, and likewise command her to honor her obligations.

Except that however Math believes, if any town tried to construct Zeus that they would have priority over ABR.
Otherwise, it would not make sense balance wise.

[PeregrineV]

Monday post. Here but back later.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage (10):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko, Brian Skies

ssbm_Kyouko (6):

Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (0):

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Wow. Incredibly bad.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV,

?????? [??????]

, has been killed during Night 2. They have become a treestump, and will retain posting access to the game thread.

*finger wag*

Yeah, last time I was treestump I was killed the night before I decided to use it. Decided not to make that mistake this time.

[PeregrineV]

Like myself and Titus agreed PV was a person we agreed was Town.

PV why did you take Pyramids even though the plan was for Drixx to take it?

For the same reason you shot me when you could have shot any number of other people, and the same reason you pushed to lynch ABR who had an anti-NK wonder, same as yours, but somehow ABR and I are scum but you are the lone town.

So, why did you shoot me?

[PeregrineV]

Also I was pretty sure Alisae was talking about building hanging gardens/mausoleum D1 because they were actually building statue of Zeus and wanted to be shot at because they potentially had gardens. When he voted post-claim on ABR I took it as a cc (didn't say anything because I was playing along with the deception).

I talked to Spiffeh (I think, maybe it was someone else) D1 about how him talking about his wonders might just be wifom, can pull quotes if needed, but that WIFOM is the above one I thought he was pulling.

PereV having Pyramids threw me for another loop because I was pretty sure Spiffeh had it and they replaced because they were mad math was trying to PoE who had the wonder by getting everyone else to say no.

I think he did try to crumb it but I don't think math picked up what was serious and what was jokes during his joke claiming. Math wasn't shot last night anyways so I think scum either have a doctor or the vig, unless the town vig didnt shoot math.

Maybe they saved their shot because they wanted the pyramids to claim before they shot math

Kyouko I thought your vote on ABR was a CC tbh.

Kyouko I thought your vote on ABR was a CC tbh.

*insert universal scum symbol here*

Spoiler:

so we both thought the other was CCing him

[PeregrineV]

Kyouko tbh just feel's like a scum motivated mislynch especially considering he was the counterwagon to ABR.

like scum would ever try and stop that big juicy ABR mislynch when he had a 1x nkproof. This looks like misdirection.

@Nero- reminder to come back to this when done reading.

[PeregrineV]

Still think Math getting Stonehenge and not wanting to get vigged it p bad.

In addition to lynching the NK-vig.

[PeregrineV]

Also, bad news for town, and not sure how to interpret it, but ABR was actually not lynched.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 2.19

Albert B. Rampage (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, Mathblade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, ssbm_Kyouko, Akane and Nebby

ssbm_Kyouko (6):

Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam, Brian Skies

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Not Voting (1):

Elbirn

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Math said that they have inside info.

wait but math can't have any inside info unless they're scum I think, hasn't the mod stated that all the players started the game as vanilla? The only info we don't have would have to be in the scum pt. Where did math say they had inside info?
UNVOTE:

is it not obvious what would cause me to unvote? People are saying math claimed to have inside info on the priority and that is not possible if true, unless I'm misremembering what the mod said or math is scum or math is lying.

pedit:that's not claiming to have inside info... that's outing a theory

VOTE: ABR

Also, bad news for town, and not sure how to interpret it, but ABR was actually not lynched.

Nevermind. I saw SSBM unvote, but then he revoted a few posts later.

Vote: SSBM

[PeregrineV]

PV why is that bad news for town?

Because ABR was town.

And had a vig, that only worked when he was nightkilled.

So why was he lynched?

[PeregrineV]

Because we're tunneled, stubborn town that couldn't figure out that ABR built Zeus because of his ego.

Have you noticed any instances of ego in this game?

[PeregrineV]

It's mostly tone and personality tbh.

Drixx being able to "solve the game".

Titus/Math/DEO being able to "solve the game". "Bulit Stonhenge" because KNEW they would be nightkilled.

ABR built Zeus because KNEW they would be nightkilled.

Hell, I built the pyramids because I KNEW I would be nightkilled. Kind of expected it later than earlier, but whatever.

[PeregrineV]

I mean, I won't really shed any tears if SSBM is gone, but I still think it's a mislynch and a red flip on Creature or Dave will make me really happy

Do you have a "why" for Creature or Dave?

[PeregrineV]

I really don't think Creature is scum here, even if his scum game has gotten better I don't think he can keep it up like he has here.

davesaz could be scum, but it's nothing I'm confident about.

I'm not even incredibly confident about Kyouko, but he's at the top of my list. All the counterwagons suggested today (Creature, Sondam, Alisae) I'm townreading.

What's your breakdown of 2.20?

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage

(10):

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Vecna

,

davesaz

,

Leonshade, MathBlade

,

Caesar Wills It

,

nancy, Akane and Nebby

,

ssbm_Kyouko, Brian Skies

ssbm_Kyouko

(6):

Yuri, Maxous

,

Creature

,

Nero Cain

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam[/color]

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai[/color]

Lil Uzi Vert

(1):

Elbirn

[PeregrineV]

DO NOT TRY TO PIN THIS SHIT ON GERRY WHEN YOU HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT HIM AT ALL THAT IS BULL SHIT

Sondam is town. MariaR rarely curses as scum.

Can someone pretty please summarize anything here that is not:

X is town or Y is scum and I know better than you
Is there an actual case/reason anywhere?

There was lots of scum pushing ABR. Because he claimed a vig if nightkilled.

[PeregrineV]

Wednesday post.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 1.49

beeboy

(11):

ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker,

PeregrineV

, nancy, Elbirn,

Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er

, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, BrianSkies, Yuri

Albert B. Rampage

(5):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Math,

beeboy

, Caesar Wills It

Vecna (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage

(10):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker, Brian Skies

ssbm_Kyouko (6):

Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain,

Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (0):

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 1.49

beeboy

(11):

ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker,

PeregrineV

, nancy, Elbirn,

Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er

, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, BrianSkies, Yuri

Albert B. Rampage

(5):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Math,

beeboy

, Caesar Wills It

Vecna (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage

(10):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker, Brian Skies

ssbm_Kyouko (6):

Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain,

Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (0):

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker on both town lynches
nancy on both town lynches
Akane and Nebby on both town lynches
Leonshade on both town lynches
Brian Skies on both town lynches

Vecna, Uzi, Caesar, Math all voting ABR both days.

[PeregrineV]

Unless you are telling me that is the team something is weird.

PV is almost certainly scum for the Drixx steal.

Except that's stupid. And now I'm a treestump.
And since I can't convince myself you are stupid, you must be scum.

As a town treestump, when I think I have caught scum, I can now post ad nauseum about how scummy you are.

LUV doesn't want to address discrepancies with PV.

I'm here, let's hear it.

Nero probably had bucket patrol.
Vecna comes around back side of Nero to try to give plausibility.
Yuri D1 lynch steer.

This list seems a lot more reasonable.

Scum says what?

[PeregrineV]

The fact Vecna isn't following associations all the way down the rabbit hole is concerning and much different than PyP.

First it suggests that Maxous + me scum. Then it suggests I am only scum with nancy.
Then it doesn't ask if Maxous + nancy + me is a thing.

Furthermore it said it wanted answers to my questions yet it doesn't push those online about it or ask.
Instead the first interactions between Vecna and Yuri pop up and Yuri didn't answer my question except for that Yuri can't do it. That is sketchy as fuck to not be able to take the player list copy it and give a gut read.

Yuri is obviously keeping himself open.

Me not playing like i did while i was scum is worrying?

Also ill look into associatives when we have a scum flip, before its totally useless since it will just cloud my judgement.

Yes. Because in PyP you were in control of things.
Here you are trying and failing. The question becomes if just failing to do so or if you don't want it.

You were looking into associatives before and now say it is useless why?

Scum says what?

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage

(10):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker, Brian Skies

ssbm_Kyouko (6):

Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain,

Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (0):

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Please request a PT from Nahdia for this. Or copy paste that stuff into word and spoiler it.

Scum complains that I post something?

[PeregrineV]

Me not caring to resolve shit with a town read doesn't make me scum lol

Kinda does actually.

Pedit: Not crazy. #hateTheShade

Scum says what?

[PeregrineV]

PV, data tells us nothing. Please just tell us who to vote for and why without using VCA.

My vote is gone, so I can't do that.

There are no flips, thus no associaitons, so can't do that.

VCA helps maybe only a little now, but maybe more later.

It's all about actions and stated motivations, so still wondering why ABR was lynched when he claimed to have built the Zeus wonder.

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

[PeregrineV]

Unless you are telling me that is the team something is weird.

PV is almost certainly scum for the Drixx steal.

Except that's stupid. And now I'm a treestump.
And since I can't convince myself you are stupid, you must be Town.

As a town treestump, when I think I have caught Town, I can now post ad nauseum about how townie you are.

LUV doesn't want to address discrepancies with PV.

I'm here, let's hear it.

LUV and you read Caesar differently for the same reasons why?

Nero probably had bucket patrol.
Vecna comes around back side of Nero to try to give plausibility.
Yuri D1 lynch steer.

This list seems a lot more reasonable.

Town says what?

Ftfy.

And bucket patrol is when someone attacks obvTown to try to see who doesn't like them enough to get them mislynched. You take a bucket of shit and pour it on a obvtownie to look like you are playing. Bucket patrol. I had that in 1841.

Scum says what?

[PeregrineV]

Resolution Vote 2.05

(Day 2 Final)

Cultural (3):

Sondam, Caesar Wills It, Yuri

Natural (10):

Maxous,

Math

, Akane and Nebby, nancy, Drixx, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, NoticeMeSenpai

None (2):

PeregrineV, Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (4):

Elbirn, ssbm_Kyouko, Dave, Nero Cain

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to pass a resolution by majority.
Resolution deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 16:35:13), at which point the resolution will be decided via plurality.

Natural Heritage Sites has passed!

Build requests for wonders from the Ancient Era may be submitted via PM.

[PeregrineV]

8174
Math I think the paranoia is moreso towny then scummy.

Which paranoia cite posts.

Scum says what?

[PeregrineV]

Anyone who thinks Math is scum why would they take stonehenge D1?

It's a claim. Is it true?

It looks townie to take it. and claim it. Which they did with lightning speed.

[PeregrineV]

Let's talk more day1 wonders:


The Hanging Gardens Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.
The Pyramids If you die, no information will be released along with your flip. You will become a treestump and may continue posting in the main thread. You will be dead for all other purposes.
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.
Stonehenge Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.
Statue of Zeus Each night, target a player. The first time a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.
The Great Lighthouse (Available only to non-town players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Natural

You are seriously suggesting we play the entire game as vanilla because scum could go back and get a prior power.

What's next? Hey guys how about we deny Town the power to vote b/c scums could hammer a townie?

This is seriously getting old.

~~Math

This would be Math wanting Natural knowing that the Pyramids and Stonhenge were already gone.

The Hanging Gardens Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.
The Pyramids If you die, no information will be released along with your flip. You will become a treestump and may continue posting in the main thread. You will be dead for all other purposes.
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.
Stonehenge Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.
Statue of Zeus Each night, target a player. The first time a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.
The Great Lighthouse (Available only to non-town players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.


That leaves neighborizing, Doc, and Zeus.

And
Scum daytalk.

[PeregrineV]

8174
Math I think the paranoia is moreso towny then scummy.

Which paranoia cite posts.

Scum says what?

[PeregrineV]

ABR, you want to do the honors and shoot me?

I don't vig townreads.

Yeah, you've lynched me before. You don't want this gamestate resolved. Just vig us.

I am literally asking you to silence us. All you have to do is do it. You think I am antitown and suck anyway, so what's your problem? Want a punching bag?

I told you what I want. Your slot is obvtown and Mathblade is a good player. Not only good but influential and can bring together a coallition. You don't have that ability because you're too volatile and stubborn.

Honestly I scumread pretty much all the active players.

I can't even get Titus to keep the vote on you because "town" has decided Caesar.

I scumread you and any time I pressure anyone I am told I am not allowed to.

~~Math

At this point I am going to not post and let people talk with Titus.

We are Stonehenge. Meh :/

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

Strongest town and scum*

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

This is worth looking into.

Shit, how long ago was that?

Natural is townie as fuck.
Hell I even admit to pushing it.

100% townie to do so.

PV is scum pushing me.
This is shit.

Once again, Natural lets town get DOC, ZEUS, NEIGHBORING, and SCUM DAYTALK, as far as you KNEW.

Which did you think town might have

"passed up on and needed another chance to get"?

And why did you lynch the ZEUS role when they are best nightkilled?

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

I don't read any of your reads, since I can't vote. And you've been 1000 times wrong so far.

And you are trying to call me scum when there is

no way I would waste a power slot on Pyramids as scum.

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Titus pushed it, but with decent reads.

Also if youre gonna use your stump power to just agitate people by repeating the same line over and over.....just dont.

No, I will. You think 1300 posts is crazy for DEO/Mathblade, I can do more.

For what reason did we pass Natural, in the eyes of Math? Which wonder was "passed up" that we needed natural?

[PeregrineV]

1) I am Town.
2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.
3) PV ignores my questions and just repeats "Scum say what?" << PV is saying "what?" and is the scum.
4) It explains why game has gone off the rails because active people were manipulating it.
5) Matches my D1 VCA.

Yeah I think it is PV/Nero/Vecna/Yuri/LUV.

1. Then why do you do

SO MUCH STUFF THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR TOWN?

2. ---

3. Actually, I'm addressing them. You are ignoring mine, and blaming Titus.

4. Your game is not on the rails, and you seem steamed I am calling you on your bullshit.

5. It's just out there for future work, since I'll be here all game!!

[PeregrineV]

Anyone who thinks Math is scum why would they take stonehenge D1?

Same reason they would wifom the treestump, to have an excuse to not get nkd.

Thank you!!

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

Stonhenge is p powerful. Firstly its an investigation. And then there's the chance that players FOLLOW the reads of dead town. Also no scum in thier right mind would ever shoot a Titus or Math thing so I think its really odd that they'd take it.

Titus insisted we would be shot.

*facepalm*

Never hydraing with Titus again.

Did Titus want Natural too? So the wonder of ___________ could be built?

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

You can just say it. You are an outted PR. Why are you crumbing anything?

[PeregrineV]

I mean TBF Titus does have an over inflated sense of self worth but wouldn't she realize that she rarely ever gets NKed? I dunno...the hood thing seems more Titusy to me.

Let's talk about the hood.

And this is what I have been asking the entire time: what happens if we don't get the thing which matches or skillset? Twiddle thumbs?

And guess what I got instead of an answer? Posturing that it doesn't matter if a player doesn't get what matches their skillset. My skillset is Mausoleum, are you saying that three other people who want it have the same sort of skillset? Not everyone is cut for neighborizer.

I would love for you to post your mafia resume that statiscally proves you are better in a given role.

And if you can't scumhunt unless you can neighborize, you should say so now, since it will make day1 much easier.

Why are Akane and Nebby voting Natural?
Natural (10): Maxous, The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Spiffeh, Drixx, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, NoticeMeSenpai

They should have got the neighborhood. And they should have announced any findings from that hood.

And they should have no reason to want to build day1 wonders, since pretty sure titus already claimed.

[PeregrineV]

In post 8218, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8210, PeregrineV wrote:
Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?


PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

In post 8219, MathBlade wrote:
Strongest town and scum*

In post 8225, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8221, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 8210, PeregrineV wrote:
Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

This is worth looking into.

Shit, how long ago was that?


Natural is townie as fuck.
Hell I even admit to pushing it.

100% townie to do so.

PV is scum pushing me.
This is shit.


Once again, Natural lets town get DOC, ZEUS, NEIGHBORING, and SCUM DAYTALK, as far as you KNEW.

Which did you think town might have "passed up on and needed another chance to get"?

And why did you lynch the ZEUS role when they are best nightkilled?

1) I was talking with Halicarnassus owner yesterday.
2) Scum day talk wouldn't be passed on by scum as per the rules of the first post they wouldn't know what resolutions would be coming up so that would be built.
3) We built Stonehenge
4) that means doc or Zeus or no wonder. ABR never willingly takes doc not his personality and ABR is rarely an NK. So ABR taking Zeus and then claiming to mess up mechanics a fourth time meant he was likely scum.

ABR's play was not ABR like.

I was wrong but after his claim no chance of being NK'd anyway. The claim looked like he was trying to avoid being lynched.

1. So you voted to build day1 wonders knowing that they were mostly gone? WHY?
2. Why not? Assume there is 5 of you, you got stonhenge, and a buddy got daytalk. Or maybe you guys forgot to submit? Why give the opportunity if it may have been missed?
3. Vecna didnt get it, you did instead.
4. By THAT EXACT SAME LOGIC, YOU ARE LIKELY SCUM.

His role trumped your opinion of his play.

After your claim, no chance of you being NKed. You definitely look like you are avoiding the lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Titus pushed it, but with decent reads.

Also if youre gonna use your stump power to just agitate people by repeating the same line over and over.....just dont.

No, I will. You think 1300 posts is crazy for DEO/Mathblade, I can do more.

For what reason did we pass Natural, in the eyes of Math? Which wonder was "passed up" that we needed natural?

Nothing of value was passed up. We chose this together because it presented options for a lategame massclaim backup plan.

Also this inquisition is now over

No. Math posts pretty much whatever they want, no accountability.

Today, for now, I'm calling in those accounts.

[PeregrineV]

Pretty much since I didn't let Titus have her way she threw a hissy fit and then demanded we claim Stonehenge which I told her was bad which was met Witt more yelling saying I am impossible and then when I was right and Vecna wasn't Pyramids she took her ball and ran rather than sitting back and letting me play as promised.

It felt shitty and trying to put Town back together after that shit shown by stepping back I feel was smart.

You are insisting the NK is scum.

How is that smart?

[PeregrineV]

I've never seen PV be this forceful before but then he only really makes sense as a scum kill so....

It's annoying as shit to have a 350 page game and 4 town deaths. Everyone can say "Bob is scum, joe is town" but not have to give reasons. And when they do, they make no sense.

It's making me nuts.

[PeregrineV]

Pv, ill just be blunt about it.

The timing on this intervention does not sit well with me. Your sudden style 180 makes it feel VERY much like youre trying to cause chaos amongst our ranks, or mess up the current wagon.

LUV suddenly jumping in and joining.....while also opposing the caesar wagon.....also mightily strange.

Hmmm ill need to have some thoughts on this.

No idea of the current wagon.

I've been ignored, and that's fine, because I don't know anything at this point.

But I know crap, and there has been enough in this game that I will now point it out.

[PeregrineV]

1) I am Town.
2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.
3) PV ignores my questions and just repeats "Scum say what?" << PV is saying "what?" and is the scum.
4) It explains why game has gone off the rails because active people were manipulating it.
5) Matches my D1 VCA.

Yeah I think it is PV/Nero/Vecna/Yuri/LUV.

1. Then why do you do

SO MUCH STUFF THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR TOWN?

2. ---

3. Actually, I'm addressing them. You are ignoring mine, and blaming Titus.

4. Your game is not on the rails, and you seem steamed I am calling you on your bullshit.

5. It's just out there for future work, since I'll be here all game!!

1) Doing good things for Town like id'ing scum yep.

3) You ignored my LUV/You discrepancy question to tunnel me.
4) I am angry but there is no bullshit.
5) Yes you are here the rest of the game. That is why you should have claimed. You didn't you're scum and now everyone else has to sort you. Not claiming Pyramids is a scum move.

1. Lie. You have not done that.
2. You said you don't lie. Yet you did.
3. What discrepancy? What information will this discrepancy give you? And if you try to say Uzi is scum with me, then we will enter into the Circular Logic Zone where you cannot be this dumb as town, therefore you must be scum. But, continue.
4. Angry about what?
5. I sucked up a nightkill. Wasn't that supposed to be your job and ABR's job?
Keep it up.

[PeregrineV]

Also remember that Math was the one that was trying to narrow down who got the pyramids. And Math doesn't lie as scum so...Math and scum team successfully POE who has the pyramids and kills them?

I don't think I was killed because I have the pyramids. Not sure why, really. It was dumb move on their part.

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

You can just say it. You are an outted PR. Why are you crumbing anything?

Because I was talking with Halicarnassus outing who I targetted would be bad. Let's just say Halicarnassus knows.

It's the person you are supposed to be copping that you never will!!
How does it hurt anyone?

I think you don't have any answer, or don't need one.

[PeregrineV]

yea, I just have a really hard time believing that she is really frustrated with you. I think its more likely that this was a dog and pony show.

How do you interpret this spike from PV? And luv suddenly doing a 180?

I would think PV is scum but then what happened to the scum NK? It was doc protected? ok So PV is a vig kill? What fucking vig would vig PV over Math?

Yeah, you know better.

[PeregrineV]

PV I've been solohydraing since the game actually started and I just recently split it.
As soon as D2 started they never talked to me again.
Why should I have announced it if I did get it?

then why vote Natural? Vecna seems to give a reason, but it makes no sense to me. What did you think still needed to be built from day1?

[PeregrineV]

I mean TBF Titus does have an over inflated sense of self worth but wouldn't she realize that she rarely ever gets NKed? I dunno...the hood thing seems more Titusy to me.

Let's talk about the hood.

And this is what I have been asking the entire time: what happens if we don't get the thing which matches or skillset? Twiddle thumbs?

And guess what I got instead of an answer? Posturing that it doesn't matter if a player doesn't get what matches their skillset. My skillset is Mausoleum, are you saying that three other people who want it have the same sort of skillset? Not everyone is cut for neighborizer.

I would love for you to post your mafia resume that statiscally proves you are better in a given role.

And if you can't scumhunt unless you can neighborize, you should say so now, since it will make day1 much easier.

Why are Akane and Nebby voting Natural?
Natural (10): Maxous, The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Spiffeh, Drixx, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, NoticeMeSenpai

They should have got the neighborhood. And they should have announced any findings from that hood.

And they should have no reason to want to build day1 wonders, since pretty sure titus already claimed.

That post is riddled with errors.
1) Titus and I didn't claim Stonehenge til D2. Post 500s is D1.

1. Out of context. This post was about Aliisae saying they wanted a wonder, presumably building it, and still wanting MORE wonders built.

2) Drixx's skill set was Pyramids look who has it? Skill set is not hood indicative. They might or might not have Halicarnassus I won't say who does.
Hence my crumbs because who I targeted is in direct relation to that.

2. If Drixx can't play as a normal player, why would I want him to waste a keep-talking power like this?

Who you will cop if you are never nightkilled is a secret?
OK.

[PeregrineV]

PV why would it look like they're avoiding the lynch when they were globally TRed?

Who? If Math were globally townread, I woulnd't be stumped, now would I? We would have a cop confirmation or something.

[PeregrineV]

Scum nk'ing one of their own to redirect all lynches to hit town, or just to sow chaos and discontent.

There was and is plenty of that already. Way before I said a word today.

Its a long shot of a strategy....i know....but scum just instantly finding the treestump was also kind of curious.

Logic would dictate trying to uncover why the fuck I was killed. But, I haven't seen anyone try that yet. Was I too Frogger-like that it was naturally assumed? Except now it's part of Math's reads that the opposite is true.

At any rate, the sudden spike in participation, and the hardcore tunnel on math (and the style in which its done) is exactly what id expect from a scum stump.

I don't believe you can link me to a scum treestump. But, go ahead.
If not, this kind of shit should also be noted.

[PeregrineV]

most mods won't let scum kill thier own team.

I would if I worded it correctly in the role PM.
It would be stupid on their part, but I like to give lots of leeway.

[PeregrineV]

1) Future town benefit no scum reward FMPOV.
2) I would force daytalk down scum's throat if I was scum.
3) Yes we did because Titus
4) That doesn't make sense.
5) His role and opinion of his play were the same.

6) The claim was dumb Titus was just pissed she couldn't have her way.

NK of PV could be scum or townVig.

Scum kill permissible as not gamethrowing because it stops Stonehenge potential or further unknown interactions possibly. Or townVig who thought PV scum.

Amazing. The town vig shot me? Why?

[PeregrineV]

I've never seen PV be this forceful before but then he only really makes sense as a scum kill so....

It's annoying as shit to have a 350 page game and 4 town deaths. Everyone can say "Bob is scum, joe is town" but not have to give reasons. And when they do, they make no sense.

It's making me nuts.

bro we play with Titus all the time and she's no worse then Math and you are never like this.

I have seen Titus' play evolve. I have to read her anew each game. I'm fine with that.

Math is still Math, and her posting needs to be relevant.

Trying to speculate I'm scum when I was just nighkilled is not relevant.

Is she dumb or scum?

Like what?

[PeregrineV]

alright, Vecna is prob right that PV is scum.

Why I am scum?

[PeregrineV]

PV I've been solohydraing since the game actually started and I just recently split it.
As soon as D2 started they never talked to me again.
Why should I have announced it if I did get it?

then why vote Natural? Vecna seems to give a reason, but it makes no sense to me. What did you think still needed to be built from day1?

It doesnt just work for day1 wonders pv, but allows for the building of prior day wonders on every day pv.

Oh my God.

Even fucking worse.

[PeregrineV]

1 and 2 is a pissing match of "No you're wrong" so moving on.
3 demonstrates you aren't even reading my posts because before you started I pointed out you and LUV Scum and townread Caesar for the same thing. This inconsistency in logic needs to be address. X+Y=3 or it doesn't equal three. We need to know which.

Yes. Long ago I stopped reading your posts.

6706

- Was the beginning of the end.

4 That after everyone saying I am obvTown and Titus and I would never do these things that people are now saying that we would do these things and now I am trying to defend Titus's character as a person while simultaneously explain how she made the game a living hell for me. It sucks and people are being irrational about their reads and pretty damn illogical and I point it out and get scumread. Wtf.

I'm scumreading you because you are standing by incorrect logic, after claiming to use it.

5) Yes you died. Congrats. Thank you for rubbing in how much I should have kept arguing with Titus. I just couldn't take her screaming anymore.

I don't know what this means.

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

You can just say it. You are an outted PR. Why are you crumbing anything?

Because I was talking with Halicarnassus outing who I targetted would be bad. Let's just say Halicarnassus knows.

It's the person you are supposed to be copping that you never will!!
How does it hurt anyone?

I think you don't have any answer, or don't need one.

I have a system setup with Halicarnassus.
If I die they out my crumbs.
If they die I show mine.
Perfect system and protects a PR role and aids them.

Protects you from what? The nightkill? The very reason you picked stonehenge and lynched ABR?
If you die the mod gives a public cop result.

Sounds like bullshit.

Example:

I built the statue of Zeus. If I'm confirmed as town, scum can't kill me.

I built the statue of Zeus. If I'm confirmed as town, scum can't kill me.

Who was your night1 target?

Who was your night1 target?

Titus

[PeregrineV]

Ill continue not ignoring pv, because its still more likely he is town.

I still want to lynch caesar though, since he strikes me as the person that is much more likely to condone a pv pyramids gambit as scum, and hin flipping scum should give us some more info as to what happened here.

Nah PV is scum for stealing Pyramids from Drixx. He could have read the game came in nailed all the scum til kingdom come. Too high a risk for scum.

Yep, except he couldn't play as a regular player. SO you are saying this because....your scum?

[PeregrineV]

Ill continue not ignoring pv, because its still more likely he is town.

I still want to lynch caesar though, since he strikes me as the person that is much more likely to condone a pv pyramids gambit as scum, and hin flipping scum should give us some more info as to what happened here.

Nah PV is scum for stealing Pyramids from Drixx. He could have read the game came in nailed all the scum til kingdom come. Too high a risk for scum.

And besides, Titus wanted Drixx to have treestump, not you.

[PeregrineV]

So now I am trying to make this game fun again and trying to hunt and now that I am pushing scum you push me.

With you PV you are scum. It is painfully obvious.

I gotta go RL.

You do not know what the word obvious, means, then.

[PeregrineV]

Scum nk'ing one of their own to redirect all lynches to hit town, or just to sow chaos and discontent.

There was and is plenty of that already. Way before I said a word today.

Its a long shot of a strategy....i know....but scum just instantly finding the treestump was also kind of curious.

Logic would dictate trying to uncover why the fuck I was killed. But, I haven't seen anyone try that yet. Was I too Frogger-like that it was naturally assumed? Except now it's part of Math's reads that the opposite is true.

At any rate, the sudden spike in participation, and the hardcore tunnel on math (and the style in which its done) is exactly what id expect from a scum stump.

I don't believe you can link me to a scum treestump. But, go ahead.
If not, this kind of shit should also be noted.

We did talk about why you were killed.

Its true that there was chaos enough already. Doesn't rule out the possibility that scum wanted to create more, although it ia indeed less likely of an approach. But then again, this is a game with an infighting hydra, people demanding FLASHWAGON in colourful caps and a dude pretending to be a presumptious roman.

Note away what you want about my play, i have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. Ill die by nk or not at all.

You could be vigged. But most likely not NK, you've been mislynching 2 days straight now.

[PeregrineV]

We did talk about why you were killed.

And?


and what posts?

[PeregrineV]

a little of both.

What are your other reads?

I don't know. Anyone on the ABR wagon would be a good start.

Still good with a Caesar lynch unless he's been posting content of worth.

Lost my Uzi townread, he could go.

cloudkicker, unless he wowed with his replace in.

[PeregrineV]

I'm resetting the game again, only posts from here onward exist

Hi guys

Hello!

[PeregrineV]

There's no way that a town vig shot PV. Scum wasting a kill on themselves is not impossible, but generally seems like a poor idea. If scum got pyramids and vig, then I could see them using a shot on their own pyramid (and their other shot happened to get doc), but outside of that PV is probably town.

His style and tunnel on Math is way different from anything I've seen of PV before, but he's dead now so who cares about his alignment. I'll still play like there's five scum but take everything PV says with a grain of salt just in case.

And you should. I got nothing I really like at this point.

But punish shitposting of the living.

[PeregrineV]

8296
On paper it seemed to be better for town then scum. I understand your point on that if someone has a wonder then they shouldn't vote natural, but honestly I feel like scum and/or town wouldn't know who has built what or who hasn't built what at that time.

It's fairly simple logical construct that assume town tried to build town wonders, and scum tried to build scum wonders, and scum may try to snag town wonders because why not. Otherwise, they will assume town got them.

Based on that, no need to build backwards. Every era will be better, as per Uzi on day1, and as per reality.

So don't see how build backwards helps town at all.

[PeregrineV]

Aww PV doesn't like me ;~;

Nah. Where do you get that?

But, you could be scum. That part needs to be known.

[PeregrineV]

Allright, lunch. back soon.

[PeregrineV]

PV what do you think of the people saying you're scum for this push?

They know better.

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: My feelings right now

Spoiler: My Feelings, and yes, I got my hat

[PeregrineV]

We are preparing a lengthier address to the Senate regarding Our positions and thoughts on the Senate's discussions in Our absence, but We shall take matters one step at a time. For now, suffice it to say that We are most confident in renewing Our call to convict the barbarian Vecna.

That would be prudent. You have held exactly 2 opinions the whole game.

Vecna is scum, and ABR is scum.

Nothing else.

[PeregrineV]

The Hanging Gardens

Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.

The Pyramids

If you die, no information will be released along with your flip. You will become a treestump and may continue posting in the main thread. You will be dead for all other purposes.

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.

Stonehenge

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Statue of Zeus

Each night, target a player. The first time a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.

The Great Lighthouse

(Available only to non-town players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

If you are going to make a plan that is hard to fuck with, do it randomly. This is the list of who builds what.

Nobody claims.

Tomorrow we get another list. We assign the same groups to the town PRs.

Nobody claims.

By day3, we either have actionable intelligence, or we start finding out which scum took the scum wonders.

Anything else, aside from regular playing, is not a good idea

Gardens

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)
Fro99er
Nero Cain
Yuri

Pyramids

beeboy
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)
Leonshade
Elbirn

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Creature
Drixx
Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)
Lil Uzi Vert

Stonehenge

Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko
ooba
Maxous

Statue of Zeus

PeregrineV
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)
Albert B. Rampage

Pick whatever
Spiffeh

PV didn't even follow his own plan. (We disagreed with it as well but there were talks of what to do anyway.)

But the person who should have followed his own plan was the person who suggested the plan.

The fact he didn't means he meant to stop Drixx.

See, here I was shutting up at the request of some town players, then you go and make a post like this?

My intent was to determine if I had priority over Drixx for the treestump wonder. I decided this due to his lack of participation AT ANY LEVEL on day1. It turns out I did I priority.
Once I gained the wonder, I intended to start poking my snout into everyone in hopes of drawing the nightkill. Because that is HOW THE ROLE IS PLAYED.

So, you point out that I suggested random over coordinated, which no one bought into the idea.

Based on the fact that the idea was not universally accepted, why on God's green earth would you expect ME to follow it?

[PeregrineV]

Titus I think beeboy is just VI.

Are you the pot or the kettle?

PV is town

That's what Mama,

Jesus

, and the mod tell me.

bullshit, I never said that.

but ok you can be town.

Yeah, the first time someone mentioned Jesus directly, I thought "Who are they talking about"? Later it came up again I tired to figure it out with context, and then noticed your avatar. (and they called Spiffeh Mickey).

Drixx is taking the treestump.
There is no reason for anyone else to take it

Whoever takes treestump needs to be lynched or vigged as soon as possible.

Town won't give a shit, since they are still in the game, and if scum then they have no vote and won't count against our numbers and will probably not bother posting anyway.

Again PV agrees with the person who takes treestump needs to be vigged or lynched as soon as possible.

Instead, he got scum to do it.
I hope he teaches me how to do that.

FTFY

Why does he then try to reinforce that he is Town repeatedly thus making himself less lynchable
And not claim Pyramids when asked thus ensuring himself to be Townfirm the entire game and Town vig shoot me I cop PV.

Scum have already proved it for me.
Next time I'll make sure to grab a town-sided power and totally shit it up so that it cannot adversely affect the scumteam.

[PeregrineV]

Daytalk I always feel is the best PR bar none. In Shadowrun where JaeReed is not so subtly referring scout and I used daytalk extensively to our advantage. Even though I never got a break from posting it let me remain consistent and strategize with scout. A couple of times I even told scout when to pivot and he proofed stuff I did.

Daytalk is useful if utilized by the scumteam.

But overall, it is so useless that it is now standard to include it in games, where it used to not be standard in games.

PV trying to imply scum wouldn't build the daytalk wonder in a rolemadness game is insanity.
It also tells us day one they didn't have day talk and day two they would have.

PV is a smart player. PV scum means scum also have day talk.

Scum had 2 chances to build it. Day1 and day2. Pretty sure they have it by now.

[PeregrineV]

What's going on that I now deserve the honor of Mathblade coming back into my attention?

I shutted up since it looked like people might be scumhunting (plus it was the weekend), but I swing by to check up and we're back to this?

[PeregrineV]

Everytime PV makes a post I feel like going to the corner store to go buy some popcorn.

It's like I got up from my seat, and when I come back, Math is pissing all over it and trying to insist it was me that did it.

Now I'm at the point where I'm trying to figure out why.

[PeregrineV]

Pere the way you worded it was like saying we have a huge amount of people townreading us when I can name 3 so fix your wording
~Maria

Not trying to rage you, but I will say you

can't act like being townread is a right

when it's something you earn (or not) each and every game.

It's more so I'm upset that I have no idea what were doing wrong. I don't think we've done anything really scummy sure were a stubborn duo but stubbornness is really NAI

@Sondham 1180 part 1 (Phone posting and omitting irrelevant parts is a pain in the ass).

I don't care if it's how you play or not. If you keep getting wagoned for the same behavior, you should stop doing it and adapt. I want to see you take a strong stance on something or eat rope. You and your hydra partner need to speak with one voice and sort shit out if town. Right now, all I am getting is shade tossing, refusal to commit, dissonance and rage.

TITUS. YOU. KNOW. MY. SCUM. GAME. AND. MY. TOWN. GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ACTING LIKE I NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING WHEN THIS IS HOW I ACT AS TOWN

~Maria

PV face palming when his plan won't work because I say no.

What plan?

What are you talking about?

Wipe this up.

[PeregrineV]

It's almost deadline and I wanna lynch Dave but I would be also okay with lynching Gin and Max.
PV I rather Math get shot then lynched.

Yes, nominally.

But, since she claimed, what scumteam in their right mind would shoot her?

Is she up to be lynched or something?

[PeregrineV]

Daytalk I always feel is the best PR bar none. In Shadowrun where JaeReed is not so subtly referring scout and I used daytalk extensively to our advantage. Even though I never got a break from posting it let me remain consistent and strategize with scout. A couple of times I even told scout when to pivot and he proofed stuff I did.

Daytalk is useful if utilized by the scumteam.

But overall, it is so useless that it is now standard to include it in games, where it used to not be standard in games.

PV trying to imply scum wouldn't build the daytalk wonder in a rolemadness game is insanity.
It also tells us day one they didn't have day talk and day two they would have.

PV is a smart player. PV scum means scum also have day talk.

Scum had 2 chances to build it. Day1 and day2. Pretty sure they have it by now.

Posts like this are why you are scum. Drixx said he didn't get it. For your claim here to be true you would have to be scumreading Brian Skies as conf scum because Drixx would be a liar. This means scum stole Pyramids from
Drixx. You should be in a 1v1 with Brian Skies if you were Town.

I don't know what Brian skies said. I put in for pyramids because if I got it, I had a plan to get nightkilled.

If I didn't get it, Uzi assured everyone 4 times that better wonders were coming. I would have found something else, I'm sure.

[PeregrineV]

If PV built Pyramids on Day 2 then Drixx is an outed liar and PV would one v one Brian Skies.
If PV built Pyramids on Day 1 then he doesn't say scum could build it on day two because they couldn't.

I built it day1.

Who said it was built on day2?

[PeregrineV]

Lol you think I omgus that's cute Alisae also pere wtf do you mean "a lot tr"
were the biggest wagon right now if anything people sr us more then they tr us I don't even know why people sr us no one said anything besides Titus also Nebby this isn't my vote this is Gerry's he think's DEO is hard scum I'm null on it so I'll trust his judgement if I had my own vote I'd be voting Leon right now
Like you people say it's shade comment when it's legit making accusations I do that all the time and so does he so how is it scummy this game compared to other games like what the fuck thinking is all this
~Maria

Sondam (5): The DEO, Elbirn, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Frogger

You're at L-6, not L-0, so some townreads on you exist.

If you were total scum I'd be voting you now.

If Gerry is out of town for two weeks, why don't you vote who you need to?

Why does this reek of coaching?

Because of this:

Add me to that townblock where's Kison and Dream SOMEONE GET THEM IN HERE
Also nebby the only thing that scares me is boys
~Maria

I dont know yet. Get gerry in here so I can peer into his soul some

Gerry is on Vacation for 2 weeks so he'll only pop in from time to time on day 1

he should be here after though
I'm still gonna bug him to post though.
~Maria

Lol you think I omgus that's cute Alisae also pere wtf do you mean "a lot tr"
were the biggest wagon right now if anything people sr us more then they tr us I don't even know why people sr us no one said anything besides Titus also Nebby

this isn't my vote this is Gerry's he think's DEO is hard scum

I'm null on it so I'll trust his judgement if I had my own vote I'd be voting Leon right now
Like you people say it's shade comment when it's legit making accusations I do that all the time and so does he so how is it scummy this game compared to other games like what the fuck thinking is all this
~Maria

Sondam is town because of this post as well.

When i work with my townreads I care if they are on V/LA and sometimes they have reads even if on vacation. PV is trying to sell us a narrative versus MariaR/Gerry being a scumread and hoping Titus would tunnel.

You're using my posts to call Sondam a townread?

Just read it. That is some old stuff. Were you coaching?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine: You do realize ur plan doesn't force scum to do anything
You put them in a pool with several other players. Priority values are INVISIBLE. Scum can just not freakin submit if they don't want the role, and

submit when they do

All this shit, these plans, these lists, I hate when cool setups devolve into this discussion

Yep, then we can lynch Vanilla Mafia because town will have all of the power roles, and cannot affect our night actions.

what happens when day5 comes around, and everyone should have something, and scum don't?

PV you Pyramids?

PV I could hug you. You has my reads and I am not entirely mad.

~~Math

No, i'm the doctor and I protected Spiffeh, becasue he bleeds green.

What are your thoughts on the content I posted in 5381?

PV lied about being Pyramids.
He also lied about protecting Spiffeh.

If PV wasn't already dead and I wasn't Stonehenge I would vig him.

I pretty much claimed ever day1 wonder, because there was no need to claim (like you did) or rolefish (like you did).

Going backwards, so hope I find the point soon.

[PeregrineV]

So PV built Pyramids on Day one.

Confirmed by me.

Someone else built night talk on day one.

Confirmed by you?

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

there was only one.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Whoa, from out of left field...this was like day1 or 2. I shouyld say 7000-8000 posts ago.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Don't know what this is.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

So this is a Nero attack, and not Sondham defense? Or is it both?

[PeregrineV]

I was demonstrating a narrative that explains my reads and why since Maxous doesn't want to read what is scummy play top down as scum for some reason I cannot fathom.

Since people are trying to lynch Davesaz because he is an easy lynch it will end up the same as Beeboy.

Can't be coaching as I am not scum. Any posts scumreading Sodham were Titus I do not scumread Sodham.

I see a lot of you quoting me and saying I'm scum. And then you're trying to base arguments on that?

[PeregrineV]

If PV built Pyramids on Day 2 then Drixx is an outed liar and PV would one v one Brian Skies.
If PV built Pyramids on Day 1 then he doesn't say scum could build it on day two because they couldn't.

I built it day1.

Who said it was built on day2?

You said scum could build it (Pyramids) on D1 or D2.

No.
I built it day1.
This can be labeled as a fact.

You're already on record saying daytalk a piece of shit and disagreeing with me that scum built it.

Interesting. Where did I say this?

And if you are trying to confuse the 2, I said that if scum, for whatever reason, did not grab daytalk on day1, you provided them with the means to grab it on day2.

[PeregrineV]

There was a need to rolefish because Titus committed seppuku because she didn't get her way.

I was salvaging a shitty situation and it was Town agreement Pyramids should claim.

Except I'm town and refused to claim, and tried to discourage anyone else from claiming.

PV is an outed liar which makes his push helping Nero suspicious as fuck especially since Nero has spent more time attacking me than Dave where his vote actually is.

See, WTF is this?

[PeregrineV]

So PV built Pyramids on Day one.

Confirmed by me.

Someone else built night talk on day one.

Confirmed by you?

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

there was only one.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Whoa, from out of left field...this was like day1 or 2. I shouyld say 7000-8000 posts ago.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Don't know what this is.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

So this is a Nero attack, and not Sondham defense? Or is it both?

Night talk is assuming scum aren't idiots.
You're scum by Town agreement that Pyramids should have claimed.
Yes I was demonstrating every scummy thing you did before I was interrupted.

Bucket patrol as I explained earlier if you bothered to read is when someone tries to throw shit repeatedly on obvTown and see what could actually stick...bucket of shit throwing aka bucket patrol.

Again I was explaining a narrative. You are scum with Nero and tried to setup Sondham for mislynch.

So, take one wrong thing, and try to base a bunch of alignments on it?

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Here you say it twice.

Scum would have to know each resolution before it came up and based on the first post and some of the resolutions that isn't a thing. Scum would not ever not build daytalk.

OK, then knowing you had grabbed your wonder, why vote for natural?

[PeregrineV]

Many many wrong things from you PV not just one.

Namely your bad push on me.
Nero's opportunistic one makes you two linked like thieves.
MariaR towntold in her opening so that to me is wrong.

You know I am not getting lynched yet don't comment on the popular wagon.

Thoughts on Nero and Davesaz go.

My push on you stems from the fact that I was nighkilled by scum, and you are using every twist of possibility to paint it as something else.

Who the fuck does that with something so obvious?

I was content to wait for more info (like when you people actually lynch scum), but when you are so blatant, I have to speak up.

If Nero is pushing you, he probably thinks your scum. Did you ask him about it?

If Maria's play has not supported her towntelling, why are they still a townread?

Popular wagon? That changes each time I come.

I have no thoughts on either, since I kind of stop following every post.

State your case on each, I guess.

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

I claimed all of them. So, did I claim pyramids? Yes. Did I lie about getting pyramids? No.

[PeregrineV]

End game utility
FMPOV scum had at least two wonders locked Pyramids and Great Lighthouse.

This meant Town would get more use than scum and allows a Town who got jibbed to pick up another power.
If scum want to Stop That they have to be powerless.

If you flip scum, then you have effectively lied, since you know I'm town.

Not going to argue anymore. You have no endgame purpose for allowing wonders to be built backwards. You say it, but can't explain it. Therefore, must not be real.

[PeregrineV]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

[PeregrineV]

The DEO, Fro99er, Vecna, ABR, the hydra that Maria is in: all gut town leans based on these pages. Subject to revision after I've had time to review previous events.

@Math- Dave townreads you and Maria, you townread Dave and Maria, who does Maria townread?

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

Yes I am allowed to waffle.
50/50 odds on Gin.
I am Town.

I asked if Gin was on your team, based on ALL of the knowledge you currently posses. That would be a yes or no.

[PeregrineV]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

Vecna also lynched beeboy and ABR. Why would I listen to him?

That wastes the power of pyraminds. You already wasted yours and ABR's wonders. Don't be so salty that I refused to let you waste mine.

[PeregrineV]

Sondam is town. MariaR rarely curses as scum.

When have I played with you when I'm scum? O_o
~Maria

Maria R is stingy on the townreads but here is a derptell.

MariaR forgot I replaced into the card game where MariaR was scum.

Does not answer the question. "She towntold then derptold." is not an acceptable answer to "If Maria's play has not supported her towntelling, why are they still a townread?"

[PeregrineV]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

Vecna also lynched beeboy and ABR. Why would I listen to him?

That wastes the power of pyraminds. You already wasted yours and ABR's wonders. Don't be so salty that I refused to let you waste mine.

Pyramids is IC with vote or scum shoot it after confirmation.
Either way not a waste and this has been discussed.

Vecna is human we all are.

Right now I would rather focus on my top scumread Nero so we can actually lynch a scum today.

I had a vote until scum shot me.
Scum shooting me is confirmation. See 4305

It is a waste, since you lynched a PR that gained power from being nightkilled.
It is a waste, since you outted yuor PR that gains power from being nightkilled.

Glad Vecna is human.

[PeregrineV]

I gotta go but PV needs to give his Nero and Davesaz reads.

Nero should be eating rope today not Dave.

Cases or it didn't happen.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not sure why PV is a topic of conversation. Not like we can lynch him, right? At most it's associatives and knowing whether to trust his reads. I only wanted to dispel the notion that his alignment is confirmed by "scum wouldn't" logic.

VOTE: MathBlade

It is because people are basing their reads on PV Town, which he is.

The more they do that the more wrong I feel they are, even thought that sounds incredibly illogical, and I have nothing to back it up.

PV tried to rescue Nero it is all there in black and white. I will post what I mean with like the post number and how all this went down when I get back, since PV doesn't seem to know what I'm talking about. If people just go look and see PV didn't claim Pyramids after I claimed Stonehenge, they would know that he didn't claim pyramids even though I really really wanted him to.

If people continue to have a scumread in their town using common sense, their reads will be off. Then we end up with more mislynches.

I really gotta go.

Finally, I get this.

[PeregrineV]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66474&user_select[]=12589

More stuff why Nero is scum.

Look at his ISO and how freaking similar it is.

If I had to lay odds Nero probably the encryptor.

Not even going to bother. I've played with Nero more times than you can count. Sometimes he is obviously scum. Lots of times he is scummy, but town.

So, you need to show my why he is scummy, specifically.

Then, get your head checked, since I can't vote anyway.

But, if you're legit, then he responds, and if he is legit, then make a decision.

Telling me to look at his isos when he's got 7 pages of them this game doesn't work for me.

[PeregrineV]

dave's wagon so far is even better.

What is the case on dave?

[PeregrineV]

He's different from PYP.

You mean STD?

[PeregrineV]

9349 is blatantly Town.

Y'all are so bad at this.

Is there just really no cases?

[PeregrineV]

Without PVs alignment we can't trust his reads, we can confirm PVs alignment using Maths wonder; Math didn't want to use that wonder and now I wonder why Math engages in the person he should have tried to wonder.

UNVOTE:

You can trust my reads, because I already said I don't know.

I do know shit when I read it, and this sounds like shit.

You should argue that scum used the nightkill to kill me AND I'm on their team, so instead of taking themselves closer to victory, they took themselves even further from it.

Otherwise, suggesting I'm not town is shit.

[PeregrineV]

Why are we trying to sort PeregrineV? We aren't even following his reads anyway.

2nd closest statement to the truth all day.

[PeregrineV]

PV, sorry not sorry but I'm not trying to sort you, as in there is no point. My post is directed at Math

I am phone posting but first thing I noticed wrong with that post I can't target PV.

They don't count as a living player.

Ask the mod if you don't believe me in bold.

It was why Pyramids was asked to claim before their death.

How did I die?

[PeregrineV]

Well that's a load of horse shit.

I thought I had an epiphany as to why Nino was mad at Math.

So PV said he wasn't Pyrimads and actually was, this happened what day?

Day2 DEO (Math/Titus) claimed Stoenhenge. and started rolefishing for all the other roles.

I claimed them all.

As for Math he got the wonder D2.

She claimed they got it night1 (or day1). Why do you say day2?

We had a vig day 2?

It was one of the wonders available yesterday.
You didn't read all the wonders and wonder?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV,

?????? [??????]

, has been killed during Night 2. They have become a treestump, and will retain posting access to the game thread.

Killed = death

You're dead PV.

Yes. And who killed me?

And using this post to point out my other thing.

We DO NOT know if scum took daytalk or not, since they had no way to coordinate on taking daytalk.

Players may submit build requests at any time during the day as well as modify these requests

until the end of the day

via PM.

This means they would have either tried to take it, or HOPED that someone else did. One of those cat-box questions. Do they skip it and try for one of the town roles instead? Does at least one scum player KNOW to take it? They couldn't discuss it, could they, since build requests had to be submitted during the DAY.

So, that is why NATURAL is TRULY SCUM-SIDED.

[PeregrineV]

Didn't do it for all other roles. I did fish for Pyramids as it was the right thing to do so I could cop them.

I openly crumb hunt as either alignment as Town I don't share it.

Spoiler: My truth, Math's lies- does this make her dumb-town or scum?

PV you Pyramids?

PV I could hug you. You has my reads and I am not entirely mad.

~~Math

No,

i'm the doctor

and I protected Spiffeh, becasue he bleeds green.

What are your thoughts on the content I posted in 5381?

ABR /PV Are you Pyramids?

~~Math

I neighborized ABR last night.

He said he's not scum. I think he is telling the truth.

PV you Pyramids?

PV I could hug you. You has my reads and I am not entirely mad.

~~Math

No, i'm the doctor and I protected Spiffeh, becasue he bleeds green.

What are your thoughts on the content I posted in 5381?

PEREGRINE WHAT THE FUCK

WHY WOULD YOU FUCKING CLAIM

If I massclaim on day2, we can get to scumhunting.

Is that a real claim PV?

No,

I took Zeus

and the moment I'm shot, DEO is out of here with me.

(Sorry Math, Titus, but you are very much pulling people's focus.)

Is that a real claim PV?

No, I took Zeus and the moment I'm shot, DEO is out of here with me.

(Sorry Math, Titus, but you are very much pulling people's focus.)

That is fine.

Now all we need is Pyramids to claim so we have use of Stonehenge.

~~Math

I'm Pyramids

. Cop me.

Stop claiming

Too late. Although DEO is just trying to draw the NK, since

I took Stonehenge too

.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine is town im not accepting anything else

Yes, but lynch me some scum so I can make use of it!

[PeregrineV]

No.
PV you took Pyramids and hoped your buddies did.

Scum would have hit that wonder harder than shit (minus you) because as Nahdia said no players know what resolutions are coming up.

1. They had no way to coordinate. Do they all forsake all other wonders and try for it? How do they tell their buddies that?
2. If they fucked up, you saved their ass with Natural. So, why do that, again?

[PeregrineV]

LUV actually mean't he expects the nightkills to give info.

Anyone look into why I was killed? Frogger might have been obvious, but I sure wasn't.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 1.28

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Creature

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Akane and Nebby (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.30

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Creature

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Akane and Nebby (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.31

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai

davesaz (1):

Creature

The DEO (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Sondam (1):

Drixx

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.32

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade

beeboy (4):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai

davesaz (1):

Creature

Sondam (1):

Drixx

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.39

beeboy (8):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Spiffeh, Albert B. Rampage, Akane and Nebby, Elbirn, Vecna

Yuri (4):

beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade, Lil Uzi Vert

Caesar Wills It (2):

The DEO, Creature

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

davesaz

Sondam (1):

Drixx

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Not Voting (1):

Fro99er

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

(thanks creature!!)

Lynch Vote 1.47

Albert B. Rampage (7):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature, The DEO, Leonshade, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

beeboy (6):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er

Vecna (2):

NoticeMeSenpai, Yuri

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (2):

Akane and Nebby, davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.48

beeboy (8):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby

Albert B. Rampage (6):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, Leonshade, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Vecna (2):

NoticeMeSenpai, Yuri

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.49

beeboy (11):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Albert B. Rampage (5):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Vecna (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Sondam, Civilization [Petra], lynched day 3.

Since I sincerely doubt I will go back and fall in love with why Sondam was lynched, can it be said why this hydra over the others?

[PeregrineV]

tbh PV.
I have no idea myself.

I suppose I'll have to go back and read it.

It seems I missed the Gorkington catcup post. When did day4 start?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Gorkington

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Gorkington

I rate this vote 5/7

I felt it was more of a 5.5 out of 7, but I can attribute it to regional differences.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Gorkington

is this the part where im supposed to react?

I wouldn't expect you to.

[PeregrineV]

sorry to disappoint, but im town.
dont have any wonders.
vecna, ali and nancy are probably town. feel like creature is town. pretty sure rest of the wagon has 3+ scum on it. best bet is math/leon [which is probable bet for partners].
dont really have anything else beyond that.

someone hammer so i can figure out who i can call stupid postgame.

did you or any of your 2 predecessors attempt to build any wonders?

[PeregrineV]

yup.

So your whole claim is not really whole?

[PeregrineV]

Math and Titus were even fighting in there.

Titus replaced out d1. How was she in there d2?

She was here part of day2.

What's the latest news? Why is Gorkington suddenly town?

[PeregrineV]

Forgot you were in the game PV

Yep. Still alive and.....

Um , nevermind.

[PeregrineV]

Can everyone say who they would've neighborized Night 1? I want to see something.

Probably ABR.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 4.27

Leonshade (8):

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, nancy, Nero Cain

KidAmn (4):

Maxous, Creature, Alisae, Leonshade

Vecna (2):

Gorkinton, MathBlade

RadiantCowbells (1):

davesaz

Nero Cain (1):

RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (0):

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Lynch Vote 4.27

Leonshade (8):

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, nancy, Nero Cain

KidAmn (4):

Maxous, Creature, Alisae, Leonshade

Vecna (2):

Gorkinton, MathBlade

RadiantCowbells (1):

davesaz

Nero Cain (1):

RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (0):

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

This is not content PV. I am doing my damndest not to scream you are scum from the rooftops. Do something like useful.

Once again, not making up shit. Need more info.

Besides, now that we picked "Build shit in the past" resolution, Vecna was going to solve the game. Did I miss the part where he did that already?

[PeregrineV]

lmaaaaaaaaao
also Hi PV.
How are you today?

Work busy and some sort of re-org announcement coming out tomorrow, so anxious to see what's going to happen.

what happened to the Gork wagon?

[PeregrineV]

It died.
Gone.
Vanished.
Mostly because an rb doesn't equal a guilty with 2 docs in play.

Who got the RB?

[PeregrineV]

Keep an eye out for Creature/Uzi combo.

[PeregrineV]

btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.

If you were, who would have been your guests each night?

[PeregrineV]

It died.
Gone.
Vanished.
Mostly because an rb doesn't equal a guilty with 2 docs in play.

Who got the RB?

Creats rb'd Gork.
Also Dave has the plurality cop. They copped Creats and Maxous to find out they are the same alignment.

why did Creaure pick Alhambra (RB)?

[PeregrineV]

btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.

If you were, who would have been your guests each night?

N1 Titus hydra
N2 JaeReed hydra
N3 Pine/Caesar

what extra info have you gained about each one? like, whats your read on each?

[PeregrineV]

It died.
Gone.
Vanished.
Mostly because an rb doesn't equal a guilty with 2 docs in play.

Who got the RB?

Creats rb'd Gork.
Also Dave has the plurality cop. They copped Creats and Maxous to find out they are the same alignment.

why did Creaure pick Alhambra (RB)?

i don't know?

The Oracle Each night, you may ask the moderator a yes/no question about the setup as it existed before the game began.
Petra Each night, you may target a player to learn who they visit, if anyone.
The Colossus Upon construction, you may immediately target a single player to form a permanent neighborhood with. This neighborhood will have day & night chat.
Terracotta Army Once per game, you may target a player at night to kill them.
The Parthenon Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.[/quote]


Chichen Itza Each night, you may target two players to learn if they share an alignment. You may not target the same player twice with this ability.
Alhambra Each night, you may target a player to cause all of their actions this night phase to fail.
The Great Wall You are immune to all night actions. This ability will be lost after the first killing action which targets you.
The Hagia Sophia Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.
Machu Picchu (Available only to non-town players) Factional kills you perform will not flip with any information besides the player's name. Instead, you will be given all of this information privately.

[PeregrineV]

If there's a problem, the first thing we do is lynch davesaz.

[PeregrineV]

Keep an eye out for Creature/Uzi combo.

What makes you think this combo?

When I was isoing Vecna for scumclues, I came across something where they were townreading each other, and I don't recall why. But, I do recall it's been pretty consistent across 4 days.

Isoing Creature and Uzi together,

Spoiler: First Interaction

I don't agree with the last one. It was very odd for Creature to state he didn't know what either did and then imply that Arts and Sciences is better.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

Sounded like:

Arts and Science = Draft
None = No draft therefore no roles

pg44

Spoiler: Creature first dislikes wagon on Uzi

Page 37

Hell this Uzi wagon

Page 39

Yuri is town I guess, beeboy most likely scum that joined Uzi wagon.

Uzi has Creature listed as a townread, but doesn;t come out and say it 100% until 9059.

Reasons for Uzi townread on creature in 10802.

some out-of-left-field that Creature is scum is Gork flips town. Based on 10,000+ posts of Creature being town, it sounds like Gorkington is expected to flip scum.
Which makes how his wagon dissolved even more curious.
Gork defense?- 11798

Anyway, that's just Uzi iso.
Nothing concrete, which I don't like, but little things here and there.

[PeregrineV]

More random shit-

@maxous

- How do you have null reads on both Uzi and Creature when they comprise 17% of all posting in the game?

well let's do a bit of a rundown here:

MathBlade

- between herself and Titus, has to be town surely. it was ridiculous scum-theater if they're not

Brian Skies

- Drixx was so obviously town that i'm sticking to the read. at least until i get a damn good reason why i shouldn't.

Caesar Wills It

- Still think Pine bleeds town here. I'll be disapointed if i'm misreading him *this* badly. but i don't think i am

Vecna

- I would certainly hope he's town considering his behaviour around the ABR wagon on D2.

NoticeMeSenpai

- still a very genuine slot that i would be surprised to see flip scum.

nancy

- Spiffeh's meltdown was town and nancy is fairly town too despite very whimsical read changes.

---

Alisae
Nero Cain
Leonshade
Gorkington
Creature
Lil Uzi Vert

---

lynch-list

KidAmn - Yuri probably should of been lynched D1 in retrosepect. Yuri coasted like fuck on D2 & D3 when he wasn't under pressure anymore. Wasn't exactly a town-read for me on Day 1 either..i regret not hammering.
CloudKicker - still scum.
davesaz - i got some cold feet about lynching him yesterday but i can't quite remember why. A glance at his ISO shows that reads are still scarce from him and he seems more interested in explaning why he's not giving reads instead of playing along and just giving reads. Vote on Mathblade doesn't impress either.

Similar for alisade/Akane/Nebby hydra, Nero, and both of today's wagons.

Your disengagement bugs me alot.

[PeregrineV]

It died.
Gone.
Vanished.
Mostly because an rb doesn't equal a guilty with 2 docs in play.

Who got the RB?

Creats rb'd Gork.
Also Dave has the plurality cop. They copped Creats and Maxous to find out they are the same alignment.

why did Creaure pick Alhambra (RB)?

@Creature- why did you pick Roleblocker?

[PeregrineV]

Lol...read like 4-5 posts of KidAmn and I think he's town.

[PeregrineV]

Also keep in mind that if

Vecna is scum Davesaz's result on Creature/Maxous is unreliable.

Luckily with the way the gamestate has gone I believe that they are in fact both town but it is super important that Vecna is RBed tonight.

Why?

[PeregrineV]

To deny it from scum.

One day1 you were commneting on how much town power scum was going to grab.
Did none of those nor the day2 wonders interest you?

People need to no build to ve able to beat scum that didnt build anything on the good wonders tomorrow

We have some abilities that are good though, like The Hanging Gardens (doctor), Stonehenge (death public cop), Statue of Zeus (self redirector), and maybe Mausoleum of Halicarnassum (neighborizer).

Only one person will get each ability anyway, so it isn't a waste. It's a waste if scum gets it rather than town.

People need to no build to ve able to beat scum that didnt build anything on the good wonders tomorrow

We have some abilities that are good though, like The Hanging Gardens (doctor), Stonehenge (death public cop), Statue of Zeus (self redirector), and maybe Mausoleum of Halicarnassum (neighborizer).

Only one person will get each ability anyway, so it isn't a waste. It's a waste if scum gets it rather than town.

All of those are pretty bad. Modern Era will be better.

Doctor and Death Public Cop aren't bad. Look how many players we have.

So are we leaving the pro-town abilities for scum?

So are we leaving the pro-town abilities for scum?

Are we going to let scum get most of town's vital powers?

Ideally we need half the town players to go for a wonder today and day3, and the rest on day 2 and 4 with the higher priority from skipping today.

So everyone flip a coin.

Tails: pick today
Heads; skip today, get higher priority, pick tomorrow.

THAT should be how we do it.

Fine, though, scum will have a higher chance of picking a pro-town ability for themselves.

[PeregrineV]

Roleblocker is powerful for scum. We don't let scum deny wonders from us and we deny wonders from scum.

How would scum know who to block?

[PeregrineV]

If Leon flips town I think we should look at the people who wanted me to hammer immediately.

Dave, where did you claim your wonder/night action?

[PeregrineV]

btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.

If you were, who would have been your guests each night?

N1 Titus hydra
N2 JaeReed hydra
N3 Pine/Caesar

what extra info have you gained about each one? like, whats your read on each?

@Jaereed
@Pine/Caesar

Would like to hear your take on the hoods.

[PeregrineV]

Roleblocker is powerful for scum. We don't let scum deny wonders from us and we deny wonders from scum.

How would scum know who to block?

They don't need to know who to block.

As long they hinder town, it's alright.

How can they hinder town? Feel free to give examples, since this is a semi-open setup.

[PeregrineV]

Parity Cop
Tracker
One of the Doctors
And many others that are coming

Except how would they know cop was taken?

Or tracker?

Or doctor?

[PeregrineV]

They may not know they were taken, but they can still affect the results.

What do you have when there's a scum randomly roleblocking townies?

Scum that did not pick up parirty cop or tracker or doc?

[PeregrineV]

Scum that wants to pick a wonder that can neutralize many others.

What?

You picked RBer so scum wouldn't, on the fear that they could block the doc, tracker, parity cop, or other town role?

Which means you don't think that scum picked up any of those roles.

Why wouldn't they? It was one of your biggest complaints-13324.

[PeregrineV]

PV is scum KidAmn an actual scum wagon can happen people.
PV came on when a KidAmn wagon would be a thing.

Town doesn't let Town mislynch Town.

Cmon let's vote the scums.

Didn't I also crash a Nero wagon?

Would I now be crashing a Leonshade wagon, or a KidAmn wagon?

Actually, don't answer.

[PeregrineV]

I could hang KidAmn as a compromise. But really want Nero or Vecna.

VOTE: KidAmn

Compromise ahoy. I fucking hate compromise lynches ugh.

I confused by your turmoil of emotions and opinions.

[PeregrineV]

Before I claim targets, I think I'll reveal that I got

no result

.
Which means some kind of shenanigans, just not sure exactly what.

Like you were roleblocked?

[PeregrineV]

I don't think a Nero / Vecna / RC / Math team could be any worse for town that whatever the scum team really is.
If they're all 4 town, scum are freakin' geniuses for not killing any of them.

Stroking your own ego here?

Nope, I'm terrible.

Actually, you have 100% access to all the permutations of why you got no result, so one of the things I want to see is how each of the possible wonders may have affected you.

[PeregrineV]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Why would scum take vig and not use it?

[PeregrineV]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Why would scum take vig and not use it?

Probably to keep it for MYLO, better for scum to have more mislynch options and force town into MYLO with more people remaining. Alternatively, they tried to use it but it got protected.

We've essentially massclaimed, and nobody's claimed vig yet. Why would town take the vig, not use it for multiple days and then lie about it?

Guessing town did not take it. Nor did scum.

[PeregrineV]

@Dave-

it totally looks like you are ignoring me.

[PeregrineV]

@Dave-

it totally looks like you are ignoring me.

Umm, I'm still reading.

OK

[PeregrineV]

Possible ways to get no result:

Roleblock or JK me (see note below on JK)
One of my targets is ascetic
One of my targets was JK'd (is this even in the game? I don't know it's just one of the standard roles that can affect mine)
My targeting was redirected to an ascetic.
My targeting was redirected to someone I had already targeted.

Creature could be scum if:
Scum correctly predicted that Creature would be one of the targets and redirected it to town. I consider this to be very unlikely, so unlikely that I'm taking my result as a conftown on Creature.

What's really going to piss me off is if Creature RB'd me. He was acting like he didn't believe my claim.

Or just the roleblock that night was picked up and used

This is right up Math's alley.

Here, math, are all the wonders. What wonders could have made Dave get "no result"?

Ancient Era | Classical Era | Medieval Era | Renaissance Era

| Industrial Era

@Dave- which real wonders could have affected it?

[PeregrineV]

@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

[PeregrineV]

@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

...PV stop scumclaiming Davesaz is confTown and already did.

There are 7 dead confirmed town- I am one of them.

I see him posting, but have you bothered to see what you can get from it?

[PeregrineV]

Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

[PeregrineV]

The Great Wall
You are immune to all night actions. This ability will be lost after the first killing action which targets you.

If one of your targets had this.....

[PeregrineV]

Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

They set Dave up to find "opposite", so that way it causes confusion and could give scum a mislynch.

I don't think scum took Sophia.

[PeregrineV]

If scum had both redirect and ascetic, redirecting me onto ascetic would be questionable at best, provided they are thinking about the ramifications. The only thing that could gain them is a 50/50 with the two people I thought were targeted. Which implies it probably wasn't a redirect unless they don't know who has the ascetic.

If you hit the asecitic, your whoel result would fail.

Keep your targets undisclosed until everyone comes in and posts, and beyond if needed.

[PeregrineV]

Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

They set Dave up to find "opposite", so that way it causes confusion and could give scum a mislynch.

I don't think scum took Sophia.

But if it is opposite then nothing is gained as both targets wouldn't be known.

Dave would know.

[PeregrineV]

@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

...PV stop scumclaiming Davesaz is confTown and already did.

There are 7 dead confirmed town- I am one of them.

I see him posting, but have you bothered to see what you can get from it?

No you aren't confTown.

The more you push confTown the scummier you get.

No I spent my Saturday trying to figure it out by using RNG /sarcasm

If you cannot figure out that I am confirmed town, then how do you expect anyone to listen to anything you have to say?

Talk about why the earth is flat. Those posts will be much more interesting to debate.

[PeregrineV]

Dave was most likely roleblocked unless Vecna WIFOM and redirected Dave.

What wonder did Venca claim and where?

[PeregrineV]

Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

They set Dave up to find "opposite", so that way it causes confusion and could give scum a mislynch.

I don't think scum took Sophia.

But if it is opposite then nothing is gained as both targets wouldn't be known.

Dave would know.

Dave town target X and Y. Only Y is guessed by scum. X and Y could be same or differing alignments. It is a waste to say opposite when opposite may be true already.

If Dave is scum (impossible) then no need he just lies.

Opposite gives them a guaranteed mislynch (or two), or their target to bus.

[PeregrineV]

@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

...PV stop scumclaiming Davesaz is confTown and already did.

There are 7 dead confirmed town- I am one of them.

I see him posting, but have you bothered to see what you can get from it?

No you aren't confTown.

The more you push confTown the scummier you get.

No I spent my Saturday trying to figure it out by using RNG /sarcasm

If you cannot figure out that I am confirmed town, then how do you expect anyone to listen to anything you have to say?

Talk about why the earth is flat. Those posts will be much more interesting to debate.

Talk to me about why you're confTown again keeping in mind Shadowrun where Town conf'd me.

If anything I am the damn mechanics expert here and you aren't conf. Quit pushing conf town if you're town.

I WAS NIGHTKILLED BY SCUM.

Please read the following for a short tutorial about how the game is played.

"In the peaceful Sicilian village of Salem, a dark presence is about to make itself known. For years, the family based crime organization known as the Mafia has been establishing itself in the foundation of the community. Until now, the naive citizens have been unaware of the evil among them. Tonight, however, the Mafia makes its move. Tonight, someone will die, and until the Mafia has eliminated all opposition, the innocent will continue to die. Unless, of course, the Mafia is destroyed first..."

The above is a typical opening for the game called Mafia (Also known as "Werewolves of Miller's Hollow" or "Town of Salem"). The game can be played by an indeterminate group of people, each playing the role of either a murdering Mafia member or an innocent townsperson, along with a game moderator. At the beginning of the game, Night falls, and the Mafia family members become aware of each other (by communication from the moderator). They then choose a victim, and the moderator announces the death scene. When Day breaks, the town must try to weed out the evil by lynching someone they suspect to be mafia.

The game of Mafia (in Meat World) is usually run with playing cards representing the possible roles in the game. The moderator secretly distributes the cards to the players, then has everyone put their head down/close their eyes. During the Night, the moderator "wakes up" the mafia, and they silently choose a victim. During the Day, everyone discusses, argues, swears, and eventually votes for someone to lynch. The cycle repeats until the endgame.

[PeregrineV]

Dave was most likely roleblocked unless Vecna WIFOM and redirected Dave.

What wonder did Venca claim and where?

Scumclaim

Town!PV doesn't ask questions that are in the thread.

Really? I do it all the time. The multi-page search functions on the forum are very limited.