Yes. There's over 550 posts between thoseIn post 2879, Fro99er wrote:HADNT POSTED AT ALL?
The last few are stuff I've said after yout alk about Titus
Yes. There's over 550 posts between thoseIn post 2879, Fro99er wrote:HADNT POSTED AT ALL?
What?In post 2910, Eddiebyte wrote:is that dependant on vecna or dunns alignment? like, if both are town, or both are scun, or one or the other
It's been like 550 pages before I had many any posts and you're acting like I specifically avoided talking about Titus - no, I just hadn't posted....In post 2917, Fro99er wrote:Dunn can you explain the "hadn't posted at all" part?In post 2870, Dunnstral wrote:What was it?In post 2865, Fro99er wrote:I gave a case on Dunn.
"I'm not pushing Titus"
When I hadn't posted at all
That's like 7 normal postsIn post 2931, Fro99er wrote:You posted 70 times
lynch Titus, Heartless, and eddiebyteIn post 2932, Fro99er wrote:Dunn any last reads?
"in 50 pages"In post 2939, Eddiebyte wrote:so your reads haven't changed in 50 pages. cool.
I know I'm not hammeredFro99er wrote:Anyway.
That wasn't hammer.
I was reaction testing when i said yes
okIn post 2944, Eddiebyte wrote:giggles told me you're a strong plauer. why are you scumreading those 3.5? if you are going to answer gut then explain where your gut read comes from
this game is 10x that game's lengthIn post 2974, Fro99er wrote:He doesn't do that here. He just says Titus is scum.
quote thatIn post 2979, Eddiebyte wrote:dunn constantly says i misrep his scum meta here so idk
Not true at all:In post 2979, Eddiebyte wrote:like even his post count is significantly less as scum
uh, because it was?Eddiebyte wrote:In post 1609, Dunnstral wrote:I didn't lurk around and do nothing that gameIn post 1599, Eddiebyte wrote:the one time i played with scum!dunn he just kind of lurked around and did nothing - you remember the hydra blitz right?
huge misrep
Believe it or not I never ever try to compete in terms of post countIn post 2987, Eddiebyte wrote:are we the highest poster yet
This is what I'm talking aboutIn post 3057, Fro99er wrote:Has nothing to do with day length
Bella and i have a perfect town win in 9 pages.
I miss that site meta
Elsewhere on site doesn't have a new page every 10 minutesIn post 3226, Eddiebyte wrote:but dunn hasn't done hack shit from the beginning and didn't even come back after 4 hours or whatever b.s. excuse he gave and is posting elsewhere on the site.
You're not helpingIn post 3151, Eddiebyte wrote:a whole lot of shit is a good way to describe this game
Wonder why I wanted to bond?In post 3097, Fro99er wrote:In post 766, Dunnstral wrote:UNVOTE:
By the way we're not lynching at all until every bond is figured out
I think Titus is scum though
Mcmenno pls confirm you did the thing when you're here/we're doing the thingIn post 769, Fro99er wrote:Then why did you unvote titus. I haven't looked, but there's either 0 or 1 votes on her. Why unvote?In post 766, Dunnstral wrote:UNVOTE:
By the way we're not lynching at all until every bond is figured out
I think Titus is scum though
Mcmenno pls confirm you did the thing when you're here/we're doing the thing
This is an attempt to look towny by unvoting then saying it's all about the BONDS baby
This was the first thing me Dunn voted Titus and it made no sense and he was trying to get towncred about BONDS
What's more convenient then faking needing to work out BONDS and pretending Titus was near lynch than doing so on a 1 vote wagon on your buddy
In post 3072, Fro99er wrote: Dunn scumflip townfirms me, you, Aelita, Gork, Bella, Eddie, Vecna, and scumfirms Transced
Talk about an info lynch
really badIn post 3089, Alisae wrote:They're probably just talking to them and approaching them like any other townread.
Probably because he has 10 posts and the game is over 3000 posts long and he faded into vla 2000 something posts agoIn post 3025, Alisae wrote:That is a slot that no one has talked about because why?
i) On one hand they're acting pretty different from what I've seen as sfrom scum Aelita. On the other hand wow her push on Vecna slot is really bad.In post 3001, Gorkington wrote:@dunnstral,
i) can you go into detail on where youre at with your aelita read?
ii) i have multiple quotes from you saying that giga is incredibly easy to read as town and you not getting paranoid about him seeming town when you were both town together before. whats different this game?
ok...In post 153, Eddiebyte wrote:In post 74, Dunnstral wrote:Gigabond?
pregame eddie and i basically were like transcend-or-bust but maybe we can do one of those things were you two duke it out to try to court me something
~giggles
In post 193, Eddiebyte wrote:also fire lemme help you sort heartless:
theyre townie
now help me sort dunn because im pretty sure he decided to fuck w me this game and im not letting myself get hardpocketted by his bsassbullshit
i suppose you could say i'm DONEstral
ok, I'm town here. Still didn't actually do anything thoughIn post 210, Eddiebyte wrote:i want to vote u for this but im pretty sure ur more likely to fuck with me as town so uhIn post 203, Dunnstral wrote:Oh
I see what this is
Giga rolled scum and doesn't want to be in a neighborhood with me because they're rightly scared I'd read them for what they truly are
donestral
really don't know where gork comes from when bella and titus have penguin avatars but giga goes off on thisIn post 217, Eddiebyte wrote:if big penguin is gork talk to me about why he's town
Really?In post 477, Eddiebyte wrote:I'm going to deconstruct my wagon now.
- Titus is basically naked. cool, cool. town!Eddie usually builds wagons as fast as possible out of rvs so this gets a pass for now.
Same thing as Titus where this game became the twilight zone and nobody wants to work with me/hold a conversation with me
In post 943, Eddiebyte wrote:i like how she spat in dunn's face
idk like an hour - i basically just posted in the hydra pt "hold on im gonna write a wall" and we've been bouncing some stuff of each other just now (we're probably voting dunn btw but mcmenno's a candidate too)jjh927 wrote:I really need to shower because I smell, but I also want to stay tuned. Do we have an ETA on this post of epic proportions and can we have some lift music?
This post really confuses me, first of all they're being wagoned here and I NEVER EVEN VOTED THEM AT THIS POINT and instead of thinking to look on their own wagon they come after ME (again, I'm not even endorsing their wagon)In post 1004, Eddiebyte wrote:okay im here
normally i like to spam post but i want to kind of slow down a bit so i figured writing a wall would help me stew my thoughts a bit - eddie's been looking through it as i wrote it (basically just hit submit early a few times so he can see where my head's at)
i kinda ended up skimming the whole thread and my walls in general are kind of incoherent so if something needs to be cleared up just hmu
so dunn and me.
dunn theres something interesting about the fact that you say this about me and yet are scumreading me here :///In post 807, Dunnstral wrote:I think I forgot to answer thisIn post 324, Alisae wrote:How to plant an announce of paranoia. Like, Like your thing on Aelita/Yume but this seems fake to me dude. How well can you usually read Giga?In post 203, Dunnstral wrote:Oh
I see what this is
Giga rolled scum and doesn't want to be in a neighborhood with me because they're rightly scared I'd read them for what they truly are
I'm pretty much always right and have really good reads on Giga (usually in the form of a hard tr)
That comes off as arrogant but it's kind of true if you check meta
the one time you've read me wrong was bee movie mafia where i used basically the same opening strategy on you on gork so like
i really dont like the fact you're not putting the pieces together here to figure out what i'm doing or at least prodding me??
for clarification, a few games i tend to open up with emptily pushing on something thats kind of scummy on a superficial level while posturing with skull emoticons in order to force attention onto myself - examples include newbie 1769 where i tunneled on TB for starting an rqs with kinda meh questions and bee movie mafia where i tunneled dunn for calling an obviously pre-planned vote forced.
like gork's entrance was basically like that as were his reactions
and like the great thing about this is that the votecount i got out of it is pretty awesome
Spoiler: vc
like at its peak besides trans most of the people here are unfamiliar with me or at least have a history of being bad at reading me (titus) which i think speaks volumes about the wagon and also means i wont have to sort through meta (most people are terrible at reading me via meta) and i got to analyze completely naked reads on me so
bella's and frogs reads are pretty transparently town - bella's stuff is kind of nai and inaccurate (when was i pushing dunn? i said i didnt want him to be able to hardpocket me yeah but that means i townread him at the time. dunn mentioned the smiley thing which is true) but the way it's presented reads genuinely so i don't think that specific part of it is alignment indicative.
for fro99er 353 was actually kind of my mindset at the time (it's hard to posture a read when you're not sure about it ) and i think making that connection is like the kind of observation town makes. also his read on bella's legit so i'm sheeping that part of it (the multi-dimensional aspect of the read) and the rest of his iso is strong
gork i'm now townreading because i don't think the wagon on me forms the way it did if i'm pushing on scum - like i dont think it makes sense for the shittier votes to be chainsaws considering how little momentum the wagon had. i don't think lynching our slot helps scum!gork that much and if scum invited that sort of heat onto gork with my townflip it's just counterproductive. discrediting or letting shit play out is easier and probably better in the long run. as for his actual posts i'm kind of meh on them but i'm fine enough with my own wagon's progression to not deal with him.
i'll be frank and say i have no clue what titus is doing (nor do i ever) but she scumreads dunn so she gets a pass i guess
mcmenno's vote isnt even about me which i guess is fine but i have no clue how 284 is even a scumclaim so uh....... plus the rest of his posting is kind of just lazy posturing that doesn't really strike me as trying to fish for a reaction (which is the only town motive i could really come up with)
random's vote i'm lost on and would like some explanation at some point or another but i want to focus on my scumreads
so basically i think most of the scumteam was shitting around during my wagon - you know who fits that criteria the best?
fucking dunn
like ok i already talked about how he's fucking with me but i never know how to read it
from what i've actually experienced in completed games he's only ever deliberately gotten on my nerves as town - the one time he rolled scum vs. me he did like absolutely nothing. this is why i wanted to talk to fire about him but .
but like if he's going to go around and push gork with me, then scumread me when he has the meta knowledge to not do that - it feels like he's trying to play both sides of the equation. if he's scum he probably thought he could try to hardbuddy me like he does as town but then once i started getting heat he realized that'd look weird as hell after my flip. plus like the potshots he took at me calling heartless and aelita town were kind of dumb especially considering he didn't bother to answer me asking why. it's like he expects me to be townreading him and instinctively sheep him like i usually do when i'm pocketed?
VOTE: dunn
tl;dr: seems like he's simultaneously trying to pocket me while also hiding in the majority push on me. seems like a really gross conflict in motive. theres also the completely stupid shade he's been throwing around on some townreads (the ones i pointed out are examples but theres other times too)
tb i basically covered my read on earlier but the specifics - the "exhibit a" townread on fro99er was just utter crap and was posturey bullshit. eddie's making me reconsider this though this was basically my thoughts before we discussed it - and it's kind of true i scumread everything tb does just in general
mcmenno i explained already
basically i'm reading the game something like:
{trans}
{fro99er, bella}
{heartless, alisae, aelita}
{gork, fire}
{jj} - kinda didnt pay much attention to him but i was reading his interactions with eddie as town? he's only lower because i didnt put much thought into this read
{random, shiqf, titus} - sort later (shiqf's vote and unvote i'm conflicted about and am probably going to prioritize it when i tackle the whole thread)
{tb}
{mcmenno}
{dunn}
I was town in bee movie mafiaIn post 1022, Eddiebyte wrote:I scumread dunn in bee movie mafia but i had a stronger scumread in creature in that game
i pushed dunn in rvs lazily in that game in a similar manner i pushed gork in this game (who i also scumread at the time)
This double read continues on for the rest of the game and it's really scummyIn post 1195, Eddiebyte wrote:my compadre is voting dunn. my mental vote is on think rn.
I'm scum denying things that provably happened?In post 1597, Eddiebyte wrote:dunn you're normally obtuse and i know you're doing it to get at my nerves but like you're actively denying things that provably happened and i think it's because you're scum this time :/
thats like every mention of my name in your iso??Dunnstral wrote:THAT's 1000 POSTS AGo
right because i was strongarming itDunnstral wrote:I was pushing creature as well
In post 1941, Eddiebyte wrote:yeah it was dumb to push on and i still hold i deserved to scumread you for itIn post 1940, Dunnstral wrote:In post 1004, Eddiebyte wrote:where i tunneled dunn forcalling an obviously pre-planned vote forced.
lol
why dont we talk about this game
Oh I rememberIn post 2976, Alisae wrote:I also played this game with scum!Dunn when he was hydraing with HS.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70181
And this is a game I played with town!Dunn
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=69849
But those were like, so fucking long ago, I hardly remember them.
My stance was that we weren't lynching someone with a provable role - which is also, yes, a towny role.In post 3003, Gorkington wrote:oh and
iii) can you talk more about why you were townreading thinkbig?
p-edit: sorry!
i wont mess it up again.
In post 2985, Eddiebyte wrote:dunn we literally had this argument like ~50 pages back
i should honestly put you on ignore
No like, you straight up lost when I was scum and never even suspected me to bootIn post 2979, Eddiebyte wrote:i played with scumdunn before as i said before but like
Calling you out againIn post 2964, Heartless wrote:that's ... uh... nice, i guess?In post 2831, Dunnstral wrote:Titus is scum by the way, and I'd like you to address that.
Note: town lost this gameIn post 2970, Fro99er wrote:TBH I didn't pay attention to Dunn in the Large
In post 3425, Vecna wrote:You know what would be best for Dunn's claim? That he gets to be buddies/bonded with me and I get to dictate his targets.
People would go absolutely NUTS with theories that were scumbuddies together. It'd be epically hilarious.
Dunn you up for pissing people off to the extreme?
I was with mcmennoIn post 3609, Vecna wrote:If were lynching JJ ill need a new link-dude though.
Id like to do my thing with dunnstral. Who was linking him again atm?
i) Well, noIn post 3299, Gorkington wrote:i) is aelita someone that you expect to make pushes you think are good as town?In post 3243, Dunnstral wrote:i) On one hand they're acting pretty different from what I've seen as sfrom scum Aelita. On the other hand wow her push on Vecna slot is really bad.
ii) I don't understand what you're asking. Are you asking why I scumread giga?
ii) basically, like, i was metadiving you and i saw a quote from you saying "giga is incredibly easy to read as town" and it didnt sound like you got paranoid about it.
this game i recall you saying something along the lines of "giga seems town but he probably would seem town as scum".
why the added paranoia here?
i think i just kind of assumed from what references i found in your ISO that you had been townreading his play as well by how you were defending him.dunnstral wrote:My stance was that we weren't lynching someone with a provable role - which is also, yes, a towny role.
No matter how much people will yell otherwise (to the point where he's being voted for his role rather than anything else)
I'm not sure if I ever said I townread them? I said I townread vecna
could you talk about what your read on him personally was over the course of the game?
im going to eventually get around to poking around your ISO.vecna wrote:I think Random is the one scum on a scumteam that is very out there in the open and participating a lot
i just really dont understand how you can so strongly feel like the entire scumteam is driving the game here.
very few scum players can pull off being as active as frogger, ali and giga have been and the way youve been talking, its like you think theres at least two scum in there.
if you want me to take what youre saying seriously and/or if you seriously want to drive pressure on them, you should be condensing strong points to make it clear why you think theyre scum just beyond "dunnstral and i are mislynches".
by probability, town mislynches a lot on d1. running up two townies on d1 isnt unusual, yes?
what makes this scum-driven vs badtown-driven from where youre standing that makes you feel so confident in saying dunnstral seems town just via gamestate?
Don't botherIn post 3571, shiqf wrote:Oh boy a lot to catch up on. :/
NoIn post 3775, Eddiebyte wrote:like the stuff you're pointing out is just titus thingstm so far
They didn't even see my claim. They didn't read it. They're content to spam but not readIn post 3775, Eddiebyte wrote:why are you giving credibility to this push at all @fro99er and alisae i'm really not seeing it
No, you answer this. You pushed me on not making cases on Titus all game. Why did you stop when you saw my wall then throw shade and not interact with itIn post 3800, Heartless wrote:where are u / were u on dunn? i kind of lost track
ok.... you're rightIn post 3805, Heartless wrote:i think gork and eddie were on you to case titus...
i didn't even bring it up
Sorry not a fan...In post 3818, jjh927 wrote:Can I interrupt this shouting match to trial a more trustworthy looking avatar?
So, I don't get a watch?In post 3855, Vecna wrote:Only in the scenario of you + heart + dunn being scum, which cannot be completely ruled out, but I doubt you would be that blatant about it.In post 3847, Titus wrote:Do you see any problem with Dunn tracking me?
Im fine with doing that.
Yes, I will do thisIn post 3896, Vecna wrote:Im going to sleep, my vote remains where it is for now. You can stew for a while.
Dunnstral, consider our bonding plan to go through. Ill submit it now to the gm, please confirm asap.
Ill consider whether im gonna let my hand be forced by this nonsense when I wake up
In case you didn't seeIn post 3781, Dunnstral wrote:i) Well, noIn post 3299, Gorkington wrote:i) is aelita someone that you expect to make pushes you think are good as town?In post 3243, Dunnstral wrote:i) On one hand they're acting pretty different from what I've seen as sfrom scum Aelita. On the other hand wow her push on Vecna slot is really bad.
ii) I don't understand what you're asking. Are you asking why I scumread giga?
ii) basically, like, i was metadiving you and i saw a quote from you saying "giga is incredibly easy to read as town" and it didnt sound like you got paranoid about it.
this game i recall you saying something along the lines of "giga seems town but he probably would seem town as scum".
why the added paranoia here?
i think i just kind of assumed from what references i found in your ISO that you had been townreading his play as well by how you were defending him.dunnstral wrote:My stance was that we weren't lynching someone with a provable role - which is also, yes, a towny role.
No matter how much people will yell otherwise (to the point where he's being voted for his role rather than anything else)
I'm not sure if I ever said I townread them? I said I townread vecna
could you talk about what your read on him personally was over the course of the game?
im going to eventually get around to poking around your ISO.vecna wrote:I think Random is the one scum on a scumteam that is very out there in the open and participating a lot
i just really dont understand how you can so strongly feel like the entire scumteam is driving the game here.
very few scum players can pull off being as active as frogger, ali and giga have been and the way youve been talking, its like you think theres at least two scum in there.
if you want me to take what youre saying seriously and/or if you seriously want to drive pressure on them, you should be condensing strong points to make it clear why you think theyre scum just beyond "dunnstral and i are mislynches".
by probability, town mislynches a lot on d1. running up two townies on d1 isnt unusual, yes?
what makes this scum-driven vs badtown-driven from where youre standing that makes you feel so confident in saying dunnstral seems town just via gamestate?
ii) I don't remember saying that here but it sounds like something I've said in a past game, I think you're mixed up
And I didn't really have a read on tb - I'm actually really bad at reading tb
I believed that there was no reason to go after him for his role - this was before anyone had even voted him
In post 3930, Gorkington wrote:in particular her reaction to dunnstral's claim and people doubting it [saying "why are you doubting this claim? why would him doing this before be scummy?",
while she has pretty much been calling dunnstral a weak scumread all game.
In post 3931, Gorkington wrote:also her reactions to dunnstral feel way more muted than her references to any other scumread.
In post 3935, Gorkington wrote:also that complete flipflop on dunnstral to "we're not considering this as scum" and "dunnstral target me tonight ok?"
feels like things that scumTitus would do with a buddy.
heh.
eh.
Here's the problemIn post 3943, Gorkington wrote:tbh my track record on titus has been pretty consistently garbage for ages.
i think if titus is scum dunn is a good potential buddy and vice-versa
but i would need to be confident about either of them being scum to want to explore that as serious lynch options and im not really sure im there.
[and i guess really i should learn to accept the possibility of being wrong in exchange for making games quicker and less awful but i find it really hard to want to lynch people unless im really confident lately :/]
I could answer this!In post 3939, Gorkington wrote:eddie/giga/ali?In post 3925, Gorkington wrote:do you think townDunn is more likely to be dismissive or angry when pushed for reasoning he disagrees with?
any wisdom on this?
You couldn't have posted this 3 days ago?In post 3858, shiqf wrote:My Fire SR is based off of his early game. First, he posts fluff for about his first ten posts. Then, he dishes out a readslist. I don't get how he came to these conclusions so quickly when he posted literally nothing game related. Other than that, he's posted a lot of shit that doesn't really help. Idk if this is a thing here, but I've seen scum purposely try to clog the thread to hurt town in other large games
Who else do you want me to elaborate on?
...Would this plan be better served by me just watching heartless instead?In post 3971, Titus wrote:Oh fuck off Dunn. Track me tonight. I'll confirm Heartless as town.
Let's get on with this shit.
I'm not willing to lynch Vecna today though, which is what you seem to want to do if you're not the lynchIn post 3974, Titus wrote:Sure. Whatever. Same function. I'm a loyal role when passive. I only target town when passive.In post 3972, Dunnstral wrote:...Would this plan be better served by me just watching heartless instead?In post 3971, Titus wrote:Oh fuck off Dunn. Track me tonight. I'll confirm Heartless as town.
Let's get on with this shit.
You realize I'm a watcher when bonded right
regardless, I'm pretty against this idea right now
In post 3981, jjh927 wrote:I'd be happy to reply to my wagon if anyone on my wagon wanted to case.
Can you recall the reasoning off the top of your head?In post 3992, Eddiebyte wrote:im pretty su re lots of people have said why youre scum.In post 3990, Dunnstral wrote:In post 3981, jjh927 wrote:I'd be happy to reply to my wagon if anyone on my wagon wanted to case.
Lol
how's it feel
Nah that's not what happenedIn post 3997, Gorkington wrote:why was it unfair for frogger to be skeeved out by you sitting on titus for 70 posts?
Game is 4000 posts longIn post 3997, Gorkington wrote:for 70 posts?