WWF Mafia: Royal Rumble (GAME OVER)

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YEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. COWBOY ORTON TIME.

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i'l read this later i cba to right now.

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I really wish i could get into the game so early like you guys are

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Next person to hurt the brain, is in for some pain. yeeeeehawwwwwwwwww. not joking either.

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Skimmed and want to lynch in:

{Fart, Gamma, Gerry}

u shouldnt

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I dont understand how some of you have so many reads right now, i feel like most people arent even taking this serious yet.

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Gerry's roleplaying feels the most forced to me.

How am I RPing? all i said was yeeehaww a few times. everyone is actually roleplaying. I think you're a bit confused as to what roleplaying is.

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I can't tell which yet, I think it's NAI right now.

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Why?

cause our scumread me for a bad reason lol

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I probably shouldn't have been treating locker room like pregame, because I barely read any of it and now i feel like i'm behind on reads, sorry everyone.

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I personally don't see your game as different currently so they are probably forcing that read. either bias or as mafia.

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Also the logic saying that you can read them is lawed cause they slipped last time, so if they are saying you can read them, then yes that's prob faked too

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am i the only one who finds it hilarious that when Titus and Math are is the same game they just tunnel each other lol

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Role playing is simply an activity in which people do and say things while pretending to be someone else or while pretending in a particular situation. If 82 and 243 aren't the definition I just gave, what are they then?

I'm just saying yeehaw, cause i'm a cowboy

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Also not liking gerry for similar reasons to chick just without the appeasement and just a bit of gut.

Can you expland a bit more on this? Also so right now if you have chick as scum and vote gamma, that means you see us 3 as a team right? Why did you choose gamma over the other 2?

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I think Titus is town this game.

I think MariA is town, because she's the ROCK. Yes, it's flavor based, sue me.

I think Narna is scum because fake faking in the preg-game thread? Trying too hard.

Vote: Fart

why is titus town at least?

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Titus and Math both scumread each other but vote the same person? Or am I reading this wrong

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Also right now I feel like the kmd wagon kinda came outta nowhere. Can someone that's voting kmd explain to me what pinged them as scum to you? Also what do you think of the fart wagon

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Titus and Math both scumread each other but vote the same person? Or am I reading this wrong

As of right now, we are. I found it uber sketch Math followed and I wanted to discuss with RC.

RC and I push Math. Math flails.
RC pushes kmd. I join to investigate. Math jumps on.

Like wtf?

well what do you think is the reason of that? does that make you suspect math even more?

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I fairly disappointed and low on energy. Since the end of Inception I haven't been involved in a Scum lynch. Even in Inception, the last lynch (the winner) I wasn't involved in and I suggested lynching someone else.

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Most of your posting up to that point had been non-game content. No, I haven't even started to think about teams. Day 1 is about lynching scum. We can figure out teams when we get our first scum flip. I chose gamma because I'm most confident in that read.

okay, that's a good explanation at least.

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Is Math sloppy as scum, that is the question.

what do you mean l'uzi vert

I mean is Math this careless as scum?

If Math is scum, I don't see them voting for KMD like that earlier. Too sloppy.

I disagree, if kmd is town then they'll try to get a mislynch in any way possible

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Hey everyone I can end my V/LA a bit early I am back and ready to RUMBLE

The Rock has finally FINALLY come back...home.

hay gril

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Spoiler: You don't have to open it, a bunch of quotes, I'll explain below

Actually fuck it let's do this.

VOTE: MathBlade

Chickadee is legitimately very scummy and MathBlades defense of her is shit in a way that isn't town!Mathblade shitty.

Not replacing because Math doesn't deserve it.

Wait a second I just remembered

OH no no no we are totally doing this.

Just give me some time. There are things that are worth it.

Kill Mathblade

Day vig well deserved.

For real, can someone explain why this bullshit went unchallenged? And whoever answers this question better not give me some variation of "It is just RC being RC" either.

There is a larger overarching point I'd like to get to, but let's start here.

I agree with this spoiler, but why not challenge them yourself?

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dont have the time to catch up on this game right now, gotta be up early. but ill catch up tomorrow

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okay so, there is more than 1 mafia team. I tried to iso bins, but she didn't really give much tells as to who her partners could be. I think chickadee is town, but like the fact that there seems to be different mafia teams complicates things.

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I was actually Bins' partner. I was intending to guide her to victory after I won, but since she is gone I have no other affiliations beyond myself. I am now truly on town's side.

I legit don't undersyand. Did you not claim 3P? Or am I confusing you with someone else??

I was a mafia partner for Bins, but my true win condition is lynching Sergeant Slaughter.

uh what. lol

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I guess lynching Gamma would be optimal here, but we should prob take more time to get more reads.

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or if anyone has any result or anything. so dont rush this lynch

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i dont understand, were you on mafia team with bins? but your true objective was to lynch massive? also why would you even out that as lyncher, i dont get it.

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WAIT TILL EVERYONE TALKS BEFORE HAMMERING IN THE EVENT THERE IS A NIGHT ACTION RESULT

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Who hasn't posted yet

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I agree.

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Other scum is on that wagon to make sure we can't discuss things

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VOTE: mathblade

Hi sibling.

Every game lmfao

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gerry could be town, I like how he's trying to slow down the Gamma wagon.

Explain why?

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I'm gonna guess 3 mafia teams of 2 and a sk

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If there were 2 maf teams I think there wouldn't be 1 nk a night rule. Also I know the mod likes putting SK in his games. Mod meta best meta

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Maybe your kill on me got redirected to nero lol

Wut

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So after gamma I think 3 mafs and a sk left

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If there were 2 maf teams I think there wouldn't be 1 nk a night rule. Also I know the mod likes putting SK in his games. Mod meta best meta

Yeah but how does 3+ teams, 1 nk work. Game takes forever.

Don't think it's only 4 maf. Wouldn't be balanced

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Wtf are you guys doing. We are lynching gamma but just waiting till everyone talks

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Wtf are you guys doing. We are lynching gamma but just waiting till everyone talks

I'm lynching whoever I SR after I read this game, not some bad third party player you dictate. You may be scum here. Will pay attention to you during my read.

He claimed mafia, not 3p. He is mafia that can win by a 3p way as well. Regardless he's maf

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Fire. You realize gamma claimed mafia not 3p right?

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Who cares, he's mafia

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He's prob just upset

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i dont understand, were you on mafia team with bins? but your true objective was to lynch massive? also why would you even out that as lyncher, i dont get it.

Yes. I've been cult mason before so it's not like having a secret alignment is a new thing for me. However, I was conversing with the mod about the specifics of my role and they said I was able to remain in the game after I won. Because of that, I decided to claim.

@tywin. He said yes when asked by me

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The fact no one is really defending Gamma that hard means he's town btw unless you got some sick partner tells to show me Oh wait you don't

uh, you realize he CLAIMED MAFIA

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The fact no one is really defending Gamma that hard means he's town btw unless you got some sick partner tells to show me Oh wait you don't

uh, you realize he CLAIMED MAFIA

mhm

so you think he's faking claiming mafia as town? also you realize each mafia probably as 1 partner right? his partner died

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Gamma is not town. Towns win Con is to eliminate scum. Why are we really still debating this? I'm all for getting other things done today before we lynch gamma, but we're getting really hung up on this and not getting anything else done

Why lynch gamma today? It's free to look elsewhere. Either we lynch another scum who actually has a shot to win the game or we lynch a townie and they kill Gamma anyway.

But what if we lynch someone who has a potentially helpful role? why take the risk when we can lynch confirmed mafia?

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Tywin is pretty clearly scum, yes. But that became obvious the moment he went "i'm confirmed town cause we shot scum lol and also I have no interest in lynching scum lolololol"

Save it scum. I called you scum first, so by default, your fake as fuck read on me is obvious. Maybe I just found the Maria/Dodge scum team. Sucks for you.

This post seems so forced. I think tywin might be mafia

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I love how my scumreads push me thinking kmd was dead as a slip. There's only one kpn. Mod confirmed. It's literally impossible for me to have submitted a kill on kmd.

I'd bet my bottom dollar Math and Chickadee are scum.
mastina I want to sort when she gets back.
Firescreamer needs to fight me about something.

I understand Math but, why chickadee?

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OK. So we have red, yellow and ??? Mafia teams of 2 players each? Do you guys think there's a 4th team?

Also, well played Nero. This time you didn't actually follow the scum meta I'm used to from you.

But hold on! If we have several Mafia teams, why the heck do we have only one kill??

Beats me but Nero's push on me is explicable now.

Also, mastina crumbing masons with kmd is also problematic.

oooooo damn. i just noticed that. so you're saying titus is scum who submitted a kill on kmd and sorta slipped by saying kmd was dead when it got redirected? But how would redirector work? did someone purposely target titus to redirect whatever action they had to someone else? if so they should just out it, because in that case she'd be caught mafia.

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are you asking me to get reads on those players? i can do that. you were townreading gerry in Inception, right? i'm trying to play spot the difference here.

spotting any differences?

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are you asking me to get reads on those players? i can do that. you were townreading gerry in Inception, right? i'm trying to play spot the difference here.

It would help if you could sort them, yes. And yes, gerry had me going in Inception, but I'm not getting ANY vibes from him here.

if i'm acting different than when i was mafia, i must be town this game!!!!!

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I'm gonna guess 3 mafia teams of 2 and a sk

Unless SK has some SERIOUS protection against both lynches and kills it makes no sense to have an SK in a game where they can't regularly kill. It would be a shit-awful slot to play.

I agree, but i'm just saying i know the mod likes utting SK in their games. and 25-7 seems about right if the factions are different

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Hi this is a game I am in that I need to post in sometime soonish.
I don't remember if I put this here already but.
KMD
Grey
Maria
gerry
Nero Cain
Gamma
Almost50
Not Chara
FireScreamer
Majiffy
Mathblade
DodgeTheSaint
Peptobislawl
Chickadee
LUV
Bins
Titus

This is in need of an update.
VOTE: Titus.
I'll read the game proper soonish.

why is bins on here lol. and why am i so high? what did i do for you to TR me?

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on gerry: i'd say he's just town here. willing to examine him later but nothing bothers me in the ISO and i like the energy.

nice, i've successfully pocketed you again

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I retract the SR on Tywin and I think that Dodge is town

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Tywin is pretty clearly scum, yes. But that became obvious the moment he went "i'm confirmed town cause we shot scum lol and also I have no interest in lynching scum lolololol"

Save it scum. I called you scum first, so by default, your fake as fuck read on me is obvious. Maybe I just found the Maria/Dodge scum team. Sucks for you.

This post seems so forced. I think tywin might be mafia

Oh stop, in multiball you can legitimately think another player is scum. You know this, I know you know this.

Tywin probably thinks I am scum on another scumteam. It is why he is trying so hard at painting himself as town, because he doesn't want anyone thinking too hard about the fact that we are in multiball. Hence why he tried to claim that both RC's shot on Bins and his effort to catch up make him town. He also knows that optimal play is a Gamma death, so getting my mislynch will force me to vengekill Gamma, and Tywin will get a chance to say 'oops' the next day.

Enough about Tywin, let's talk about you for a moment. Your sudden burst of posts are low effort and low content. It would be easy for me to call you lazy scum pretending to scumhunt. But since you can actually scumhunt, why do you continue to put on scum theatre and pretend to scumhunt instead of actually doing it?

I was looking through each post i missed in order, you didn't even have your outburst with Tywin then. Anyway, I usually get my scumreads from forced posts, so i don't get what you mean. Why do you think I'm coasting, and why do you think i'm pretending to scumhunt? What exactly causes you to think that?

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That is sort of rhetorical, as I thinkthe answer to that question is that you are, in fact, trying to appear as a non-threatening townie.

me trying to to appear non-threatening. lmfao good one.

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Okay, dodge. I'll bite. Explain the posts that you think i'm trying to put on scum theatre and with who? And also, explain why in detail why you think that i'm trying to appear non threatening. I'm not known to coast, and I don't think I've been coasting. If you look at the beginning of the day I clearly was not trying to coast along, i was trying to hold up the wagon on Gamma so everyone could at least talk. If i'm coasting, I'm just parking my vote.

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speaking of which, I think we should lynch gamma in about a day or so, because I am really liking the back and forth between some people and it's giving us more content we can use later.

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Gerry, I'm not exactly a setup guru, but does SK really make any sense here? Most of what makes good SK play is how you use your kills. The lottery mechanic would basically make them a survivor unless they get lucky.

I think I see what Dodge is saying about gerry trying to appear non threatening. I did like the whole "hold up don't lynch yet" thing from gerry, but that's about the only thing I've liked. Gerry does come off very...what's the word? Soft? So if that's at all intentional or unusual for gerry, I can definitely see where there would be scum motivation for it. I've never played with gerry though.

How am I being soft? lololol.

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I'm less inclined to think Chickadee is scum due to the "town win condition means we have to lynch Gamma" -- was the first person I saw to explicitly point out that (rather than talk about who benefits from lynching / keeping him alive) and it felt genuine.

Wtf? anyone can say that, how is that a townread in itself at all?

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I will go into more detail later KMD. But, and this partly goes back to Day 1, I feel Gerry is surface level on his posting. He quotes at lot of people and asks surface level questions, but neither goes into any depth nor follows through. I know, he hasn't had a chance to "follow through" in his recent outburst of posting, yes. But, in his most recent example of posts, the lack of any real depth is obvious and should bother you. You can also look back to what led me to vote him on Day 1.

I obviously asked you more questions, and I can really only post at 2 times on weekdays not because of work, but that's here nor there. Is that the only reason you think i'm scum? cause that's bullshit. I think you're town, but you're reasoning is shit.

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Dodge, I don't see gerry as someone who will attack someone the same way Titus would if that's what you mean. I just don't know if that's by choice or personality. You use the word "confident". Confident players don't tend to lose that confidence as scum and tend to want to control the game rather than skate by. I mean if you're right then yeah you have a very strong case. I'm just not so sure this playstyle from gerry is specific to this game or an intentional attempt to coast.

I would never coast, i have too pride for that. regardless of my alignment. So, again. I'll say it again. How am I coasting? What am I doing that pings you to me coasting and not trying to get more indepth? First day I didn't do much cause I wasn't even here when it ended, and when it started, I was getting caught up because I was treating the locker room like pregame, and not reading it. Day 2: Gamma is confirmed scum, and there really isn't much to debate, I started to get engaged with people to try and see their point of views (even if I think gamma has to be the lynch today.)

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I used the word confident to describe that Gerry is posting the way he is posting because he wants to

I don't get this at all how is the fact that I'm being confident in my posting = mafia. You could say that about anyone? And exactly what was confident? Read the post I just posted as it explained everything I've done this game so far.

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Gerry, I'm not exactly a setup guru, but does SK really make any sense here? Most of what makes good SK play is how you use your kills. The lottery mechanic would basically make them a survivor unless they get lucky.

I think I see what Dodge is saying about gerry trying to appear non threatening. I did like the whole "hold up don't lynch yet" thing from gerry, but that's about the only thing I've liked. Gerry does come off very...what's the word? Soft? So if that's at all intentional or unusual for gerry, I can definitely see where there would be scum motivation for it. I've never played with gerry though.

How am I being soft? lololol.

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don't make me get lucille

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When Dodge mentioned your surface level content and not really following up, I just really felt the same way about you. It gives off that vibe. I don't think that any scum you've questioned would feel threatened or pressured at all.

I had no true scumread, so what exactly am I supposed to be pressuring? You want me to fake some reads just to impress people? I go at my own pace

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Gerry may be hard to read, but I kinda see what Dodge is going for on him (who has been just like they were in RAW).

This in itself is a contradiction. If I'm hard to read, why do you think i'd be coasting?

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Gamma could still totally be a jester

Are you for real?

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Think long and hard about this before giving me an answer. Let's pretend your life depends on it.

Still waiting on you to answer me

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Gerry may be hard to read, but I kinda see what Dodge is going for on him (who has been just like they were in RAW).

This in itself is a contradiction. If I'm hard to read, why do you think i'd be coasting?

It's hard to read people coasting? Am I missing something here?

explain how i am coasting then. You're not doing anything but just casting shade

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Gerry, and right wrong or indifferent, that's soft play.

what does this even mean lol

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dodge is still dodging my question, how fitting

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GG i was lyncher on Gamma. gotcha all. ty mod for covering it up!!!

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LOOL mafIA is getting cucked

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Who was ric

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I already know it's komaeda

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Why do you assume scum? Why not vig?

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Oh awk.

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Pepto, Math's partner was Nero.

How do you know it was Nero?

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Why do you assume scum? Why not vig?

Oh awk.

Why did you think vig was in the NK lottery?

Didn't read the fine print lol. I thought it was everyone who can kill was in a lottery

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Pepto, Math's partner was Nero.

How do you know it was Nero?

I'm an idiot and forgot about colors

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1) I've been getting this question a lot so I'm going to confirm - Town DOES exist in this game.

This makes me think there is more mafia teams than we think. He says that he has been getting this question a lot, but there is 4 mafia dead right now. 2 or 3 people is not a lot. Also if you're town why would you have to ask if town exists? So now I'm thinking there is a lot of 2 team maf teams

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Vote: Gerryoat

Class, let me get this out in the open real quick before Gerry tries it again.

Spoiler: relevant quotes

Still waiting on you to answer me

On what? I missed whatever it was.

dodge is still dodging my question, how fitting

For someone who is SO INTERESTED in me answering a question, for someone who is SO INTERESTED that he has to point out that I am dodging it twice...he...doesn't ask me the question again, or quote the question, or do any sort of work in order to get me to answer the question, when I told him I missed it.

Here's a hint class: he's not interested in actually doing any leg work. He just wants you to think he is. I criticized him for surface level bullshit yesterday, and at the end of the day phase, he PROVED that he is exhibiting the exact behavior I have called him out for repeatedly.

Okay Class, I've gotten that off my chest. You may continue with your regularly scheduled programming.

Does anyone want to make a bet with me? Does Gerryoat finally ask me whatever question he wants me to ask again, or does he just accuse me of dodging it again? Since he's not really paying too much attention to what he's doing in the game, I'll put $100 on red that he just claims I'm dodging his question again.

(Note: this is not a real wager, as real wagers are against site rules, thx)

Sorry, I have had heavy work this week and last. If you notice i've only been posting in certain timeframes. I also explained that I TR you, so i just want you to answer the question, no need to hound you on it.

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Still waiting on you to answer me

On what? I missed whatever it was.

i also missed this post, sorry.

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Oh awk.

This is the post where he realizes he slipped

This is the most stupid thing I have seen on this site.

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Gerry thought a night vig would be part of the night lottery.

Post 1 clearly states "Each non-town player's name will be put into a hat"

BUT

The flipped scum role PMs say

"Each night, one name among all killing roles will take part in a lottery"

While its possible town Gerry forgot what was on page 1, in favour of the flipped PMs, I posit to you that its more likely he put more weight on the definition in the flipped scum PM's because he has one himself.

I also never read the rules, I've been going on what I've seen on flips. I'm sure people here that play with me a lot can confirm i dont read the rules until i have to even if i was scum. Ask the people here who were in Inception mafia (so i guess that makes it NAI)

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Because I was thinking to myself after I saw the Math flip 'Tywin is doing well, maybe he isn't scum'. Whereas Gerry is obviously scum for those keeping score.

Is it gloating? I'd believe it if you weren't also spending all day yesterday telling us how awesome your slot was for killing Bins.

If I don't flip scum will you self vote tomorrow? I don't care if you're town, i want you to look like an idiot. Say yes and I will self vote right now. Also I want people to lynch you tomorrow when I don't flip scum.

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Gerry, were you serious about the lyncher bit at the end of the day there?

No, I always troll

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If I can get at least 5 people who will vote dodge tomorrow when i don't lip scum. I just hate when people think they're so good and they're wrong, and look stupid as fuck.

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You're so stupid. i know he's town, i'm not gonna veng him. i just want him to be lynched for being an idiot

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OK. I'm gonna step away from here for a bit.

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I'm trying to be nicer on here, but it's hard when people are being dumb and thinking non slips are slips

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VOTE: Gerry i'm done. you'll see.

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yep fire!!!! salty caught scum!!!!!

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UNVOTE: Gerry

I just remembered. There is likely 5 or more scumteams now based on what i just said, so i can't grudge.

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I'll try to help even if you guys wanna lynch me. just at least give me more time at least.

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i'm just very reactive on here, sorry. as i said, i'm tryign to be less annoying and toxic and i lost my cool.

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I can out my role if it comes to it, but it's not really needed rn

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i'm just very reactive on here, sorry. as i said, i'm tryign to be less annoying and toxic and i lost my cool.

I get that me going 'by the way Gerry is scum' in nearly every post is going to frustrate you regardless of alignment, but as you're my #1 scumread I have a duty to make you the center of attention until either A) you're lynched or B) you stop being my top scumread.

I'm more upset at fire than you for thinking something is a slip when it's not. Also, I think Almost might be scum. He was in Inception mafia and knew I didn't read the rules there. HE would have said something as town

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Both A50 and Dodge are being particularly diplomatic with Gerry while trying to lynch him.

Almost is mafia. I think you're town because your reason for scumreading me is actual scumhunting. I think Dodge is town too. Almost should be lynched, because of what i said.

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And as I said, Fire/Dodge, I think there is multiple mafia teams like 5 or 6 maybe 7. THat's why we have a veng kill. So you have to realize that something that most people would barely consider a slip, are people suddenly jumping on it. Because they realize there is more teams than they originally thought,

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Holy shit um I don't know why I'm so shocked Math flipped scum I had a pretty hard tr on her myself I'd like to say knowing Gerry better than anyone else here I really think he's town his emotion is genuine as fuck given we've talked on these topics before hand can someone tell me more about the gerry sr I've read over the many things already and I just don't understand

How do people feel about Leon Majj and Pere by the way I've looked at their slots and I feel like they're not getting as much attention as I would like

they think i slipped because I thought vig would be in the night kill lottery.

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wait. tywin claimed day vig?

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oh nvm, i forgot he subbed into that slot

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Holy shit um I don't know why I'm so shocked Math flipped scum I had a pretty hard tr on her myself I'd like to say knowing Gerry better than anyone else here I really think he's town his emotion is genuine as fuck given we've talked on these topics before hand can someone tell me more about the gerry sr I've read over the many things already and I just don't understand

How do people feel about Leon Majj and Pere by the way I've looked at their slots and I feel like they're not getting as much attention as I would like

they think i slipped because I thought vig would be in the night kill lottery.

I know I've read that part I just don't understand why that's a slip
Pedit: He shot d1 yes

because the rules say non town roles, but mafia PMs say killing roles. So me assuming there is a vig means i'm mafia. Even though people here know i never read the rules, no one is outing that they know this. Like Almost shoulda done. Which is why i think he's mafia

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Oh believe me, regardless of your alignment I think there's a lot of incentive to sheep someone elses push. Dodge was on you first. I joined but I brought something to the table in terms of reading you. I agree that theres incentive for scum to sheep me/dodge and use us as possible venge shields. But I do think what I saw was real, and your emotional reaction to it indicative of caught scum. It's hard to determine who shares my conclusion and to whom it is merely convenient for.

I guarantee you you're wrong, and

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sorry but as scum or town i wouldnt read the rules.

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You can give me your thoughts on gerrygoat now A50, since I have given you my thoughts on the set-up.

preliminary read: Town lean.

Explanation: We have just played together in Inception where he obv!Towned I didn't want him to go before LyLo. Chara rescued me/the Town by lynching gerry over Infinity and he flipped Scum.

On contrary, his play here is absolutely NAI (assuming I review it in a vacuum), so is nothing like his play in Inception.

I -of course- realize this is a shitty reason to TR someone, so it's just a Town Lean for now.

are you asking me to get reads on those players? i can do that. you were townreading gerry in Inception, right? i'm trying to play spot the difference here.

It would help if you could sort them, yes. And yes, gerry had me going in Inception, but I'm not getting ANY vibes from him here.

I don't know either. I was (still am) hoping someone might slip or scum it up so I can be confident. A lynch pool of 9 players feels like Russian roulette, only the bullet is not hitting me.

Any reads on Pepto/Majiffy/PV yet? How about Mastina? I also don't feel about gerry what I did in perception, and I don't know if that's good or bad!!

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Okay, well if both dodge and fire want me to claim, i'll claim. otherwise i wont

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well, i have to go to bed. i'll try to check in tomorrow during or after work. maybe 12 hours or so

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VOTE: Majiffy

Why do you Sr jiffy? Right now I feel like you're trying to pocket/protect me as mafia.

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Kmd can you explain your SR on me?

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*sigh*

I hate this post for some reason. I missed it.

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I don't think it is. Gerry's softer play yesterday and then today's stretch of posting is pretty scummy though. And the whole "lynch dodge tomorrow" in a game where all town is vengeful implies that gerry won't have a venge shot. (Although if gerry does flip town, I'd hope he wouldn't shoot dodge who he and I both town read)

So you think my soft play and the reason I wouldn't shoot dodge

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I'm pretty sure if you read any of my scum games you couldn't call "soft" play a scumread since I act aggressive as both alignments unless I don't have reads, which I really didn't have. Day 1 was mostly trying to catch up from thinking locker room was a pregame and not getting reads from it. And day 2 was gamma claiming scum so there was no need to do too much, though I did try to delay the lynch so we could out more reads and I could engage more.

Now let me explain the veng. I clearly said I thought dodge was town since yesterday, at the time I was just wanting him lynch for being wrong and not scumread ing him. Which I actually said in the post that I didn't care he was town

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Okay well I expand both anyway. If I was mafia, I would know who I was trying to buddy, since I said I tr him yesterday, there would be no reason to want him lynched for game reasons. I was also engaging him and even though I missed his post asked questions from him

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Well the people who played with me before are tr me. Except Almost (which is why I think he's scum) cause he knows I don't read the rules also said I'm acting different from inception mafia where I'm was mafia. Yet doesn't try to out the knowledge he knows to others to prevent a lynch from someone he said was acting different than the scum game he just played with me

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Okay well I expand both anyway. If I was mafia, I would know who I was trying to buddy, since I said I tr him yesterday, there would be no reason to want him lynched for game reasons. I was also engaging him and even though I missed his post asked questions from him

Intentional buddying goes out the window when you believe you are as good as lynched

I was trying to appeal to someone I tr, I don't understand how you don't comprehend that

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Yes, and ok

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Basically what titus said. I find it questionable that kmd still pushes on the flawed logic

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Why do you Sr chick? For the math thing? Isn't math's partner already dead tho?

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If there is 6 teams like I think now, I think there is definitely at least 2 nafia who jumped on my wagon.

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Maria how many scum teams do you think there are

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Okay, so you get my logic. Mod info slipped by saying he got a lot of questions if there is town in this game. And since 4 mafs are dead, it means at least 3 teams left or more

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What do you mean by static

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If you think you can be wrong, who not reconsider or at least our other scumreads and why

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Tywin we think it's 2 because of the wording

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What?

Mobile butchered that lol. But basically I don't think you can Sr me that hard for that reason when you outed other SRs but didn't give reasons.

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I think almost is maf for the reason I stated like 5 times. I think there is at least 2 maf on the wagon that formed on me whether they are still on me or not and I think fire/dodge town. Also whoever massive is in the neighborhood with is town

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Unless I missed it, I don't see Gerry on the Chickadee counter wagon. Why is that? If you're town, wouldn't you go with the sure bet (yourself) and vote your counterwagon? Why aren't you voting Chickadee? She's voting you.

Is this dude saying town should just random jump on a Bandwagon LMAO

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Anyway I just outed reads

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Unless I missed it, I don't see Gerry on the Chickadee counter wagon. Why is that? If you're town, wouldn't you go with the sure bet (yourself) and vote your counterwagon? Why aren't you voting Chickadee? She's voting you.

Is this dude saying town should just random jump on a Bandwagon LMAO

How did you read it that way? That's not at all what I said. Town Gerry would know what I'm saying rather than twist my words into something else entirely. Hmmm

Stop with this "Town Gerry" thing, you don't know me well enough to try and meta me.

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I'll let you into a secret, but you must promise not to tell anyone. Mod may have paraphrased. He "may" have been asked if there were "other townies" or if town "had a majority" going into the game. He may or may not have returned an answer to those who asked via PM. I'm sure some scum did ask the question,

but I would be surprised if not a townie cared to ask the same either

, cuz it's freaky to have 4 scum flips with no Town flips at all.

is this a logic slip? He says that a town member would ask if there was any town in the game

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And was it that funny for some all caps LMAO? I don't think it was.
Whose 'this dude' btw? You've played plenty of games with me, dude. I've seen your scum and your town games, and this doesn't look much like your town game when I actually examine and think about it. Since I cant bring up ongoing ones, I can look for completed ones where you acted much different as town.

You not wanting to vote or look at Chickadee here looks off to me. You bringing up Almost simply because he SRs you is off. You claim he should know better based on your meta, but I should too, and this looks far too similar to scum Gerry than town gerry.

I was giving you a pass until I noticed you weren't voting chickadee, so I asked why, and instead of answering, you tried discrediting/shading me for it. Nope, wrong answer.

I'm passed tryign to convince you because i'm starting to lean scum on you. You don't know me well enough at all to meta me. The person who does (Maria), hard TRs me. So for you to say that, is very foolish.

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And was it that funny for some all caps LMAO? I don't think it was.
Whose 'this dude' btw? You've played plenty of games with me, dude. I've seen your scum and your town games, and this doesn't look much like your town game when I actually examine and think about it. Since I cant bring up ongoing ones, I can look for completed ones where you acted much different as town.

You not wanting to vote or look at Chickadee here looks off to me. You bringing up Almost simply because he SRs you is off. You claim he should know better based on your meta, but I should too, and this looks far too similar to scum Gerry than town gerry.

I was giving you a pass until I noticed you weren't voting chickadee, so I asked why, and instead of answering, you tried discrediting/shading me for it. Nope, wrong answer.

this last sentence also looks like posturing. He's pretending to have an internal conversation out loud to make it look like he's scumhunting, but no one actually talks like that when they are trying to figure that out. He's also saying that me saying "LMAO" is a scumread. which is pathetic. If i wasn't so sure Almost was mafia, i'd vote you right now, but you're next. I think saying I should vote the opposite BW to save mysel is stupid. Because why the hell would i vote someone who could be town (idk since i hadn't looked into them at the time) just to try and save myself. Why not try and get pressure on my scumread instead?

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Someone asked earlier about my motives. I find it likely that scum will feel they need to remove me from the killing pool sooner rather than later, so in the meantime I intend to help my neighbor win. I feel confident they're town.

Gerry, why do YOU think my neighbor is town?

glad you asked, because i forgot to say so.

Eliminated: Hulk Hogan]

Hulk Hogan

Who Are You:

Listen here, brother! You are the Hulkster and the Royal Rumble will turn into Hulkamania!

What Is Your Alignment?

You are a lyncher and teamed with [REDACTED], who is [REDACTED]

.

What Is Your Private Topic?

[REDACTED]

What Is Your Role:

Each night, one name among all killing roles will take part in a lottery. If your name is chosen, you may submit that name and that player's character will die.

What Is Your Win Condition:

You hate Sgt. Slaughter with a fiery passion. You win if Sgt. Slaughter is eliminated and you're on the vote to eliminate him.

Sgt. Slaughter looks down at Hulk Hogan with a smile.

Sgt. Slaughter has met his win condition and won. (The game is, however, still continuing. If Massive wishes, he can "double win")]

Sgt. Slaughter

Who Are You:

You are the baddest soldier the WWF has ever seen! You are Sgt. Slaughter!

What Is Your Alignment?

You are a lyncher and are in a neighborhood with [REDACTED] who is [REDACTED]

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What Is Your Private Topic?

[REDACTED]

What Is Your Role:

You are a lyncher, please see your win condition for further details.
Each night, one name among all killing roles will take part in a lottery. If your name is chosen, you may submit that name and that player's character will die.

What Is Your Win Condition:

You win if Hulk Hogan is eliminated and you are on the vote to eliminate him.

Look at the 2 role PM's and look how similar they are. Except those 2 lines. I think that the reason he's town is because of a neighborhood, instead of the word "teamed" like in the other Role PM. Of course they could be a 3rd party. But you yourself are a full 3rd party, and it seems weird 2 3rd parties would be teamed like that. I think the point was to have one of you linked to town and one of you linked to mafia. Does that make sense?

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Unless I missed it, I don't see Gerry on the Chickadee counter wagon. Why is that? If you're town, wouldn't you go with the sure bet (yourself) and vote your counterwagon? Why aren't you voting Chickadee? She's voting you.

Is this dude saying town should just random jump on a Bandwagon LMAO

I read it as town should jump any counterwagon that is big enough to compete with their own. I only agree if there are no other options.

it was too early for there to be no other options, so you should see the flaw in his comment, no?

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i can't see you as town, almost. I explained why. you said i'm acting different than my scumgame, then immediately jumped on the BW and now it looks like you're just grasping at straws.

Just to be fair to you and make sure it's not confirm bias, I'll ask Chara who I think could be town and was also in Inception.

Chara don't you find it weird how Almost immediately jumped down my throat after saying I'm acting different than in Inception?

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And was it that funny for some all caps LMAO? I don't think it was.
Whose 'this dude' btw? You've played plenty of games with me, dude. I've seen your scum and your town games, and this doesn't look much like your town game when I actually examine and think about it. Since I cant bring up ongoing ones, I can look for completed ones where you acted much different as town.

You not wanting to vote or look at Chickadee here looks off to me. You bringing up Almost simply because he SRs you is off. You claim he should know better based on your meta, but I should too, and this looks far too similar to scum Gerry than town gerry.

I was giving you a pass until I noticed you weren't voting chickadee, so I asked why, and instead of answering, you tried discrediting/shading me for it. Nope, wrong answer.

this last sentence also looks like posturing. He's pretending to have an internal conversation out loud to make it look like he's scumhunting, but no one actually talks like that when they are trying to figure that out. He's also saying that me saying "LMAO" is a scumread. which is pathetic. If i wasn't so sure Almost was mafia, i'd vote you right now, but you're next. I think saying I should vote the opposite BW to save mysel is stupid. Because why the hell would i vote someone who could be town (idk since i hadn't looked into them at the time) just to try and save myself. Why not try and get pressure on my scumread instead?

are you implying that i could be flailing? Why?

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Because that's what your posts responding to anyone inferring a scumread on you looks like.

You did it to FS and now you're doing it to Tywin.

I actually TR Fire so, idk what you mean.

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Chickadee, do you still feel like I slipped?

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Then who do you scumread? And why?

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I feel like you're similar to the other game, and even when i was mafia i could tell you'd be obvious town. I'm getting that same feeling here, but not as obvious.

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But, I also like that response you gave right now.

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Unless I missed it, I don't see Gerry on the Chickadee counter wagon. Why is that? If you're town, wouldn't you go with the sure bet (yourself) and vote your counterwagon? Why aren't you voting Chickadee? She's voting you.

Is this dude saying town should just random jump on a Bandwagon LMAO

I read it as town should jump any counterwagon that is big enough to compete with their own. I only agree if there are no other options.

it was too early for there to be no other options, so you should see the flaw in his comment, no?

Correct.

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I was waiting for Almost to respond to it first, but that whole thing where gerry bolded one line and ignored the rest of the post was complete BS and a misrep of what Almost was actually saying.

it wasn't a misrep, it was the part i was trying to point out. I also disagreed with the others, anyway.

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@Chick, I agree with your Tywin read, i'd be willing to lynch him if no one wants Almost.

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gerry, while i can see you as town here, i'm still working through whether it's a different environment from Inception, or if the difference is because you're town here where you were not before.
i don't find Almost's stance on you particularly scummy. he's pushing on things i think Almost would push on, like perceived contradictions. he's definitely picking up on how you're different than Inception here, but i'd actually be more suspicious of him if he was taking that as an absolute townread.
he 'jumped down your throat' for your weirdness about wanting to lynch Dodge. i myself don't understand the difference between wanting Dodge lynched for 'stupidity' or wanting to vengekill him for it. (i know you don't think he's scum, but i don't get the difference in kill methods) i don't think it's a slip but it is a little strange, and it's not odd that Almost would pick up on it.

eh, idk. i still think he's scum. but i guess you make good points. you dont find it weird that he didnt point out me not reading the rules in Inception making that NAI?

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no, i don't. he didn't mention it as why he was scumreading you, and i doubt he would jump in to defend someone he thought was scum if they were capable of saying that themselves.

can you explain the parts i don't understand here? what happened there, why did you say all that about wanting Dodge lynched but double-back and say you wouldn't venge him for the same reason?

i just wanted im to be lynched for being so cocky about it when he was wrong. basically it had nothing to do with the game

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why did you find it strange that Maria was townreading you so hard? doesn't she know you well?

because she would do that as mafia or town. if she didn't TR me i would know she was mafia, so she's forced to try and defend.

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kmd, i'm starting to think you have to be mafia too cause like, it's clear what i was trying to show and other people can see it. but for some reason you can't

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Considering it NAI though, I'm wondering why he is using it to promote his towniness. That doesn't bode well with me.

my argument is that it IS NAI. I said that in the first post

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Gerry thought a night vig would be part of the night lottery.

Post 1 clearly states "Each non-town player's name will be put into a hat"

BUT

The flipped scum role PMs say

"Each night, one name among all killing roles will take part in a lottery"

While its possible town Gerry forgot what was on page 1, in favour of the flipped PMs, I posit to you that its more likely he put more weight on the definition in the flipped scum PM's because he has one himself.

I also never read the rules, I've been going on what I've seen on flips. I'm sure people here that play with me a lot can confirm i dont read the rules until i have to even if i was scum. Ask the people here who were in Inception mafia (so i guess that makes it NAI)

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Almost are you just misunderstanding? or...?

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cause basically i'm saying the same thing as you, and yet you're saying something different which doesn't make sense.

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I guess Almost could be misunderstood, but i'm definitely ok with voting Tywin

VOTE: Tywin

I already explained my SR on him, if anyone wants to know iso or lemme know.

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Hey, can we just vote Chickadee for that blatant sheeping unvote?

i do admit it was pretty bad, but, i'd be ok with tywin. what is your tywin read?

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@Chick, I agree with your Tywin read, i'd be willing to lynch him if no one wants Almost.

Good luck. Your and Chickadee's buddying was what I was really trying to get out,and you've both done it so much it's ridiculous. You mine as well be tied to the hip (or a gallows) together.

You've both shown me EXACTLY what I was looking out for and didn't wanna just say, thinking you'd fakly try stopping it. You aren't town and it's so obvious that I'm gonna lol when you both flip and it comes up the same scum team.

VOTE: Gerry

you say it's buddying, but she quickly jumped on my bw when everyone else was, and jumped off when people were jumping off. what do you think of that? why are you only looking at it from my point of view if you actually SR us both (even though you said you SR chick more)

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For one thing: Being aware of your own meta makes it NAI at best.
For a second thing: gerry was SCUM in Inception. How does doing the same things he did there make him Town here?

ok actually, i understand this. you're saying that because i was scum there, you can't be sure if it's scum meta. but i guess since i'm town i see it as me being NAI, but from your view you can't.

i retract the SR on almost

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Also, I just ISO'd Majiffy, and I can understand that scumread, he's been coasting along.

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You seem to forget I've seen your town and scum games. You arent town here, and now you're just flailing for anything you can grasp at. It's not working well for you. Theres nothing NAI about it. You play differently as town, and your attempt at shading all those SRing you is pretty obvious. I ignored you until the Chickadee buddying,but the failure to answer my basic questions is enough to show me this is your scum game.

oh please tell me my scumtells then? How come if you can read me so well that you didnt scumread me right away? In fact you LITERALLY just said that you wanted someone else over me until I suspected you. And the only reason you scumread me is cause you think I'm buddies with your scumread.

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Tywin's OMGUS is terrible. He was perfectly fine voting the counter to Gerry until Gerry suspected him.

do you think tywin and chick could be opposite scum teams?

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when tywin gets back someone make sure he answers my question.

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Gerry didn't wanna interact with me

???? lol, I was talking to you for like 3 or 4 pages.

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VOTE: Majiffy

I'd actually be willing to settle on this. Read the iso please

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why chickadee? what partner tells did they give? majiffy hasn't really done much

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who gives a shit about "partner tells"

what does that even mean

??? posts that seems that they might be on the same team? not really that hard to understand

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who gives a shit about "partner tells"

what does that even mean

+1 hahaha

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I 'get' the idea of partner tells, but in practice, people are gonna avoid that so...it's pretty meaningless except to make a practice not a thing.

not true at all, people do it on accident all the time

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I don't get how avoiding interaction is always a partner tell, people just don't interact. Personally as mafia I always interact with my partner, I find that less awkward and easier.

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agreed

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Titus, you're just calling every single action Chickadee takes scummy. it doesn't feel like you're properly evaluating her and right now i don't feel like the wagon is very compelling.

gerry, Screamer: who do you feel is doing this?

I've seen her tunnel before, so it's reasonable

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who gives a shit about "partner tells"

what does that even mean

??? posts that seems that they might be on the same team? not really that hard to understand

why did you find it strange that Maria was townreading you so hard? doesn't she know you well?

because she would do that as mafia or town. if she didn't TR me i would know she was mafia, so she's forced to try and defend.

it sounds like NAI behaviour then. i was asking what made it strange/scummy.
if she would defend you no matter what, why did you bring it up as weird?

Not so much as weird, but that I'm cautious of it. Especially with how many teams I think there are

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who gives a shit about "partner tells"

what does that even mean

??? posts that seems that they might be on the same team? not really that hard to understand

I assume you mean preflip associations. neither of them have even flipped scum, why are you looking to associate them already

I fail to see why scum can't possess an executioner

I haven't seen that role in all my games in this site yet

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Chara can you explain the pepto read

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Tywin can you explain your conditions on your day vig or was it unconditional

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Tywin I do agree that chickadee's vote was opportunistic, and the unvote was as well. But do you honestly think scum would do that to partner

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Why do you want this answered?

Because I say so, why do you care?

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I was contrasting with Gerry who kept arguing that 'partner's gotta have tells, yo'

I never said that. Im also less sure that you're town. You've given no thought and just throwing shade

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Gerry, because I'm playing in a game where it helps to figure out people's motivations. Like your motivations for answering that way for example.

This is so forced

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I'd do it but that wagon prob won't get enough votes.

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I'll vote kmd. I'm tired of his shit, and he was RC s strongest SR.

That's the second time you've said this. What exactly is "my shit"?

You calling me scum nonfuckingstop without even questioning it. Pretty obvious I'm not. Since you know I'm not, it means you're scum trying hard for the mislynch. I honestly distrust the Gerry wagon after seeing you on it.

Plus RC had you as his top SR by a country mile, and he was right about literally every other read. I'll bet on his top read any day at this point. Stone Cold Steve Austin will throw your ass into the announcers table, and thats the bottom line.

can you answer. was your shot conditional or non conditional, it's important

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Oh what a surprise, maf on my wagon now to find the other 2 that were likely on my wagon. And maf finally got smart and killed an obvious town, congrats

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Kmd not even considering what I said yesterday is lol.

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VOTE: Kmd

I don't like how you don't even reconsider

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Kmd is pushing a mislynch and he knows it. Also notice one of the people who slightly defended and understood me was town and died

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Narna was maf and on my wagon. Don't you think it's reasonable based on how little the resistance on my wagon that there were others too?

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those modkills wete completely unwarranted

As bad as this sentence is, it's town. Because maf would be too scared to say something like this. Good work mcmenno woof woof

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Then why not try and decipher who the mafs on my wagon are? You go straight to your vote from yesterday without reconsidering

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It's not even wagon analysis it's common sense

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You guys had one fucking job.

One fucking job

.
One.
Fucking.
Job.

"Hey. Don't lynch until I've had a chance to get caught up, mkay?"
It was a simple request.
I said I was going to have time on Tuesday.
I wasn't asking for like a whole week.
I wasn't asking for this to be some generic, unspecified time.
I gave you a time I would be around.

And you fucking lynched anyway.

I'm working tomorrow--meaning, I can't play tonight.
I shouldn't even be posting now, I'm technically at school and supposed to be doing schoolwork.
Between work and family night, I doubt I'll have time on Friday.

But this week, I don't THINK I have any commitments this Saturday?
I mean, I quite frankly take weekend V/LA since I like the time to myself but given that I'm this behind in the game (I've read zero of 67 pages and counting), I can make that sacrifice and catch up then.

Not ending the day in less than fucking 48 hours after it began. (Okay, more like...50-54, given I wake up in the afternoon on Saturdays and it's noon right now, butstill, thereabouts.)
You can do THAT, can't you?

lol

VOTE: mastina

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I actually forgot pepto was in this game too lol

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seems they had like 1 post a day basically

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im ok with either of these lynches

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lol goodnight

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VOTE: pepto

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Ok den

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I feel bad once she said she was depressed. I'm a sucker for ate, I'll give her more time

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i was hoping pepto would at least post again by now