WWF Mafia: Royal Rumble (GAME OVER)

[Not Chara]

"Superfly" Jimmy Snuka suddenly launches himself into the ring. He's agitated already, and is glaring at the other wrestlers, and then the announcers who failed to declare his involvement. Nostrils flaring and voice bellowing, he sizes up the four already there, draws himself up and declares:
"We're one too many for a proper tag match!"
With no warning or buildup, he latches onto the nearest wrestler. Grunting and roaring with the effort he throws Matt Hardy bodily out of the ring.
"Stay where you belong and wait your turn!"

Only then does he hear his deserved introduction. It's like the mixup didn't even happen. Maybe it didn't, that dramatic exit was kind of an improbable move when you think about, like, body weight. Matt Hardy is forgotten, and will continue to be if Jimmy Snuka has anything to say about it.

[Not Chara]

no no, i threw him out. he's gone. bye Narna.
you can't retcon out his demise, because it lives on in my heart.

[Not Chara]

ok, now that that's over with.

VOTE: Chickadee

[Not Chara]

why am i scum for voting you at the beginning of the game?
though i do want to know why your vote is more suspect than mine for Nero, with that in mind.

you pinged me in the startup thread and no one else has yet.

[Not Chara]

it was something like a joke post from Chickadee. i can't remember specifically but i quoted it there. i think it was either her quoting mastina's readslist wall and calling that scum, or it was that everyone in the game is scum and should be eliminated. it's hard to actually describe because it was a tone ping.

[Not Chara]

hahaha.

[Not Chara]

vote someone in the ring, Nero.

goodbye Kanye. we hardly knew ye.

Chickadee: so it was just for fun?

[Not Chara]

also, Nero and i are both in a game and i'm out of hydra. first person to use the NC acronym gets the Superfly Splash.

[Not Chara]

because a Titus vote is the same as no vote until Titus shows up, and real votes are more fun (and useful) than no votes.

why's she scum for you?

and: hahaha. you may have seniority, but it's on a label i don't want. down with NC, up with Chara. (and Nero)

[Not Chara]

did you see the part where she reconsidered it after i brought up the towngame where mastina didn't open with her gimmick? i lost access soon after that.

also i'm not sure if the rules actually state we can only vote players in the ring, but reading between the lines i'm pretty sure that's the case.

Chick's at L-1.

[Not Chara]

welcome Titus, gerry.

Nero: i don't know. i'm not going to make the mistake of trying to meta-read Titus myself. it looked to me like she thought she had a tell but was proven wrong pretty quickly.

why do we have 40 saying Titus is backtracking (scummy) to hold that her view is right, and then after my reply you ask where her stubbornness went? seems like you encountered it just fine in your interaction with her.

[Not Chara]

Hey all, I guess the game's starting for real now. For Narna's benifit, the most important conversation over in the locker room is weather mastina is town or scum for thinking grey was in the game. Most thought it was NAI, but Math (i think it was) kept the argument alive saying it was town. Correct me if i'm wrong, though.

this but it was Gamma who thought mastina forgetting was town.

also what Nero and i talked about re: Titus.
Titus and gerry could probably add more.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine: someone hasn't been reading my posts.

i won't be available Friday/most of Saturday. not V/LA because i'll keep post requirements just fine.

[Not Chara]

who says i don't want her lynched?
Titus's 50 is pretty spot on.

[Not Chara]

stating L-1 isn't 'i don't want Chickadee lynched', it's protocol to avoid accidental hammers.

maybe if you read my and Titus's posts for details you might get why our votes are there, or at least an answer to your question.

[Not Chara]

Titus, Nero's given reasons for you don't seem to have anything to do with prior games. Nero can't know you're town or not unless he's scum. engage him on what he's saying about your play, you're the one who seems to be taking this as a pissing contest when i don't see it like that. he said it's multiball and why he's scumreading you. what's the problem?

[Not Chara]

still have very little internet access. but that should change tonight! what's going on?

[Not Chara]

That I am not sure of and I want to have Not Chara come back on so she can explain. I am leaning deliberately built based on how Not Chara played in flipless Inception Mafia.

what sort of deliberateness? scum or town?

Chickadee is a weak scumread but i don't like to see her as the only wagon. seems everyone has a minor 'problem' with the slot. and Mathblade brings up a point about her being new. i don't think i checked her join date, but if she is then i'd expect her to look worse than the players here right now simply because of a lack of experience, not alignment.

unfortunately i have no idea how to read Mathblade. (i really will sheep Almost if he's town in this game :>) but their tendency to dislike wagons with a lot of support is NAI for them as far as i know.

gerry: it's called being nitpicky, haha.

[Not Chara]

P&A: what do you have to say about the other players scumreading Chickadee?

[Not Chara]

In Inception you were very "maybe so and so is scum" and detailed out your reasons for your waffling. If I would have been there at the beginning I would have used that to tunnel you since on the surface that is scummy. While your reads were wrong until I was copped there was a piece by piece thought through mentality that just isn't here this game.

Yes. You do know how to read me. You know I am Town. *glares* It knows.

i get scumread plenty for my usual style of being unsure. it's fine to say it's different from my last game with you, but this early? you can't possibly know my thought process already.

and it's funny you say i'm supposed to know you're town... when in that same Inception, i was townreading you a lot before you were copped. why would you expect me to confidently think you're town this time?

Leonshade: i think multiple wagons are healthier and easier to read in the long run.

VOTE: Mathblade

[Not Chara]

However, if you look at her ISO in the locker room, there is nothing that points to Mastina geninuelly believing Grey was an actual player in the game.

mastina had Grey in her readslist, why exactly is that not enough?

[Not Chara]

i can finally play properly, hurray.

Math: is Inception really the best game you can think of to meta me? the environment was completely different, and we have other games. i don't have a problem with your Chickadee read but i do have a problem with your assertion that i'm able to read you, and the lack of response on that topic. (or i missed it)

i agree with Uzi's about Fart's daycop retraction. don't know the main but it looked like a self-conscious move.

Titus townreading me is making me nervous, haha.

Nero is my only townread.

Almost: i'd also like to hear what happened to give you those locker room reads.

[Not Chara]

gerry: i see most players taking the game seriously. do you have any reads?
is Uzi scum or confused town?

[Not Chara]

eh, i wasn't in there for very long either.

what do you think about Math's read on me? or their belief i can read them?

[Not Chara]

Math's logic isn't about the slip, i know that. i thought i had a tell for Math which failed in Inception and i'm trying to work on. going from a single game where i was wrong and needed to reevaluate the tell to 'you know i'm town, Chara' just isn't all that believable to me.

as for the tunneling, i wish it would stop. didn't like Titus making the Nero read on her personal as well. unwilling to townread that because i'm pretty sure she could fake it just fine.

[Not Chara]

what was your reaction to the dayvig like?

[Not Chara]

This fart wagon stinks. I've been townreading him because he seems very transparent about his thought process even with things that could normally be seen as scummy. Like he has no fear of anything being discovered about him. I don't want to say confidence because it's not that. Just... like he has nothing to hide.

i'm not sure if this is a real towntell, but i could get how it seems like one.

Kmd, what about my reasoning on Math don't you like? i think i've said exactly why i don't think their treatment of me makes sense considering the game we just came out of.
the Chickadee wagon was an early one and to get things moving. i may not have remembered the exact post where the tone bothered me but i remembered that i had a scumread. that's really all you can do once you lose access to the pregame.

not enjoying Titus but i've pretty much accepted i will scumread her in every game at first.

[Not Chara]

also, Almost: so you're going through a bad spell. we all do. i'm still going to sheep you if you obvtown to me. let's work together. :> lynching scum will get you back on track. not that i think you fell off.

[Not Chara]

Also notice how Not Chara doesn't mention anyone else's reasoning here. I feel like Titus' points should at least be acknowledged there.

pretty sure i mentioned liking Titus's points on Chick. twice.

[Not Chara]

People who are saying the Fart wagon is stupid, please explain it to me. From where I stand, Fart comes in and posts without ever saying much. Attempts have been made to engage them, and they just brush it off. Does anyone actually have a town read on Fart right now?

i don't have an opinion on Fart right now.
don't want to lynch Chick anymore, though.

[Not Chara]

no, i think number 1 is winning this. :> it's the same as town winning if i eliminate everyone else, right?

[Not Chara]

you

picked

your number?

[Not Chara]

oh, you were a pre-in player.

pedit: yep.

[Not Chara]

oh, right. i hated that but i don't know much about RC besides that he's contentious.

[Not Chara]

You guys are fucking dense. I'm never being honest about my role as 3p again. You have proven that trying to work with Town as 3p is a shit deal.

this is your own fault, you

shouldn't

be honest about being 3p as a 3p. claimed non-town is claimed non-town, you shouldn't have claimed. and then you claimed 'partner' to a flipped mafia member. if a lyncher could win by claiming their target d1 and then getting them lynched, the role would never be used.

[Not Chara]

but throwing a tantrum because you didn't get a win handed to you on a platter for being lazy is pretty funny.

[Not Chara]

i find the Gamma wagon NAI. he's annoying.

Math: game is confirmed no jesters.

[Not Chara]

Kuroi wouldn't declare the game bastard but with no jesters and then include a jester.

[Not Chara]

because jesters are bastard and Kuroi didn't want us worrying about it?

the idea that he isn't a jester but still wants to be lynched is something, i guess.

[Not Chara]

am i the only one taking Kuroi's statement of no jesters at face value and not as some sort of trick?

[Not Chara]

i don't even find it an especially specific denial. i thought Jesters were just so contrary to the basic mafia goal of killing players that aren't town (because one is punished for it) that Kuroi confirmed they weren't in this particular bastard game.

pedit: not an apt comparison. you can't find pink elephants in bastard games.

[Not Chara]

P-edit: For what it's worth, I took it at face value at first. Gamma's play is what made me reconsider.

we don't need to quicklynch Gamma but i'd rather just flip him at some point.

Gamma's play isn't out of character for Gamma, who i've seen as childish and egotistical before.
i could be wrong but the comparison to another game where ABR was lynched as a 3p makes me think Gamma genuinely thought his bad play would single-handedly change the meta.

[Not Chara]

and Kuroi confirmed it just now that the reason was that the game didn't have jesters.

if Kuroi said the game didn't have jesters, a role where town is punished for lynching non-town, in order to include a different role that isn't a jester but also makes lynching that non-town dangerous... it would definitely be a troll, and a very specific moderator 'lie' designed to trick the players.
i think this game is bastard but not a troll game.

if it was someone who wasn't Gamma behaving like this, i might be more inclined to believe it.

also i

think

Leon is town here.

pedit: more than four seems like a lot. that we have only scum deaths so far doesn't mean the setup necessarily is bloated with scum, it just means scum have been unlucky, what with getting dayvigged and then one team shooting another scum.

[Not Chara]

though, since we only have one kill per night. maybe there are more teams. i didn't consider that until i'd posted.

[Not Chara]

Two scum could just be a coincidence, but as you said, the setup is weird enough that a lot of teams might not work here. Kuroi specifically said that this setup is hard to win. I think that implies an abnormally large number of teams.

Why am I town?

i don't have a compelling reason. i do think i've gotten a little better at reading you now that i have context from Inception.

[Not Chara]

Not Chara, gamma claimed scum. How is that not alignment indicitve?

i find players being on it or off it NAI,

because

Gamma claimed scum. from there it's up to personal opinion.

[Not Chara]

i also have a hard time getting AI info from cop guilty wagons, if that tells you anything. because you can get scum players who take the hit and just lynch their guiltied buddy because it's smart, and the town who argue against the guilty.

[Not Chara]

Also, the way Almost said it makes me think that he's trying to downplay the number of scum in this game.

i didn't get that impression. it just looked like a question.
what does scum Almost get from downplaying the number of scum here?

i'm not sure how many teams there could be but it might be a lot. i'm not going to worry about it right now because it's so far a perfect game, even if we just got lucky.

[Not Chara]

oh right.
only one kill per night + vengeful townies probably means a lot of scumteams and anti-town.

pedit: um... could you please reword that? not sure what you're asking. i think Gamma had a meltdown and is either a really terrible lyncher who should be lynched, or scum who should be lynched.

[Not Chara]

yes. i just said that.

[Not Chara]

finally, something fun happens in this game. am i allowed to guess? what contradiction have you picked up on, boy? is it damning enough to substitute for scumhunting?

[Not Chara]

ok, first guess: is it because i haven't voted Gamma?

[Not Chara]

it's obvious, but i was hoping your contradiction was better than that.
i mean honestly.

[Not Chara]

what's the incentive for supporting the lynch but not being on the wagon? he's not flipping town. if i don't want to rock the boat why i do i stay online and argue my ideas over and over in a game with like, 20+ players?

can you really not stretch far enough to figure out why i haven't voted Gamma yet without having to say it? frankly i would think it would be more than obvious. as obvious as my stance on whether i wanted Gamma flipped or not before your unnecessary 'gotcha' post. :>

pedit: and

now

he asks. it's because i don't want to waste the day on an auto-wagon and actually discuss with other players who aren't here right now. Gamma doesn't need to flipped today, we have time, though i'm happy to do it. and day 1 ended on a dayvig.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Mathblade
haha.

[Not Chara]

gerry: i'm capable of moving my vote. you know i'm active.

Screamer: i don't think if he wanted to be lynched he would have brought up ABR being lynched in DBZ, re-iterated that he could continue play by checking with the mod, or really conducted himself this way at all.
pedit: i understand this line of thought and i guess, if i'm wrong, it's the safest option. still, i'm believing Kuroi on the 'no jesters' rule and its unspoken implications.

[Not Chara]

Tywin: Gamma claimed lyncher on massive on day 1.

[Not Chara]

I love how my scumreads push me thinking kmd was dead as a slip. There's only one kpn. Mod confirmed. It's literally impossible for me to have submitted a kill on kmd.

I'd bet my bottom dollar Math and Chickadee are scum.
mastina I want to sort when she gets back.
Firescreamer needs to fight me about something.

i don't understand why it's impossible. why isn't it possible that, assuming you were scum, you were the one granted the kill at night?

[Not Chara]

redirector?

[Not Chara]

actually, why does scum Titus even submit a kill on Kmd.
did you get who died mixed up because only the wrestler is listed, and not the player?

[Not Chara]

Almost, i'm having trouble really getting into this. i feel like we've been handed a lot of scum deaths and it's making me less motivated to hunt.

i also don't

really

care whether Gamma gets wagoned today or not. i'll lynch him, i'll let him get vengekilled. he's dying at some point. i don't know which is optimal.

[Not Chara]

FireScreamer's awkward gotcha and then moving off of me after i explained what should have been obvious... i find it NAI because i don't know Screamer. i do think town is capable of doing it.

[Not Chara]

ugh, i hate all of my posts.
i like Maria for town. maybe her defense of Gamma was done because it looks foolish and something scum wouldn't do, but i don't see anything that actually indicates that besides speculation. i'm ignoring it. 928, i like, mainly the Tywin SR.

[Not Chara]

eh. like i said, i don't really have a problem with it. it was fun at least.
not sure if scum comes in here and explains himself like this, though.

[Not Chara]

hahaha. you forgetting whether we're in hydra or not is funny every time.
do you know where i should be voting?
i don't trust Gamma's claim that he doesn't have the nightkill, but i also don't care all that much. analyzing it won't really be possible anyway, because too many separate teams have random access.

[Not Chara]

are you asking me to get reads on those players? i can do that. you were townreading gerry in Inception, right? i'm trying to play spot the difference here.

[Not Chara]

pepto: leanscum but i can't articulate why beyond how he wanted to seemingly stay out of most of the early-game arguments. i think he was right to call misrep in 215 but i'm getting no townfeelings.

Majiffy: nothing to read here, thanks to the Gamma wagon. do you have anything to say about other slots, Majiffy?

Peregrine: don't like 58. 68 is better because i get the thought-process behind it. Peregrine doesn't want to wagon for the sake of a wagon and doesn't think our reasons on Chick are enough. Fart vote was alright. overall townlean.

mastina: haven't looked at her yet but i see the short ISO and Almost's vote. Almost, she

said

she was posting the old list from the PT. it's not a new list.

[Not Chara]

on gerry: i'd say he's just town here. willing to examine him later but nothing bothers me in the ISO and i like the energy.

pedit: Gamma isn't cop guiltied, he's self-claimed 3p lyncher.

[Not Chara]

OK, this is definitely NOT looking good for Mastina. She posted the EXACT same list from before the game started, and it still has Nero/Bins/Grey on it.

[vote[Mastina[/vote]

Almost, this vote is bad. she posted that list and implied (if not explicitly said) it was a repost of her pregame list from earlier, not a new one.

[Not Chara]

yes, i don't take mastina for the type to fake rl issues to avoid producing content as scum. it's just not conceivable to me.

speaking of rl issues, i'll be quiet for the next few days.

[Not Chara]

unless you've seen mastina lurk as scum and not as town, i don't like the vote.

[Not Chara]

so, pretty sure this is town Almost.
i can't think of the game right now, i wasn't in it. but i've seen scum mastina and she injects as much fire as her towngame. if she didn't, she'd be an easy read. rl is rl.
vote Math with me? are you townreading them?
i'll do Gamma too, but we have plenty of day. Gamma can happen once we all get sick of it.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Gamma

[Not Chara]

i guess i actually

can

read Mathblade. sort of.
so who else is scum then.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: pepto

[Not Chara]

Pepto, Math's partner was Nero.

[Not Chara]

What Is Your Alignment?

You are a lyncher and are in a neighborhood with [REDACTED] who is [REDACTED].

unless this is purposely obfuscating the number of red mafia.
i don't think Gamma was lying about him and Bins as a 2-person team. but i do think it's possible that not every team is the same size.

[Not Chara]

oh, that was the wrong flip post. i think that was massive's.
Math and Nero's flips were like this.

What Is Your Alignment? You are Mafia with [REDACTED] who is [REDACTED].

[Not Chara]

MOD NOTES:

1) I've been getting this question a lot so I'm going to confirm - Town DOES exist in this game.

2) I'll help you guys out something that will help you (no matter what team you are) in the upcoming vote count.

i'm laughing at the prospect of various anti-town asking the mod if there are town here at all.

[Not Chara]

I know it's probably not that funny, but after one and half games I have a very vivid imagination of how Almost50 plays mafia, and it is hilarious to me.

it's probably correct.
check one of our old hydra PTs sometime.

[Not Chara]

Am I the only one here that noticed gamma did not flip scum but did flip lyncher? I called math scum too. I also called Chickadee scum, so I like this wagon.

I wonder if almost is her partner?

Kmd, what are your reads? Nice naked vote.

VOTE: Chickadee

everyone noticed, Tywin~

[Not Chara]

Almost: i don't understand what the issue is with Kmd disregarding the new info from the flips. assuming the red and yellow teams are gone, there's no partner information to be had. unless you count pepto calling Chickadee Math's partner, but i also think the flip wording implies pairs.

[Not Chara]

hahaha. i was also sort of gloating.

[Not Chara]

Kmd: i'm aware of the flips.
why are you SRing pepto?

Almost: i was thinking the teams could just be unbalanced. Gamma was a lyncher and 'teamed' with mafia Bins, but massive was an equivalent lyncher and not teamed with anyone, just in a neighbourhood.
Tywin is either town or SK or similar with a dayvig. i'm not that interested in lynching him right now, however. i was before but i don't feel strongly that way looking at his attitude today.

[Not Chara]

he doesn't have a partner like Gamma did, he has a neighbourhood.
and he's won.

Almost: you're aware massive was the one who shot Math right? maybe you are, i'm asking because of your last post.

[Not Chara]

i wish Kmd had more than just gut on Pepti, because i think Pepto is scum.
gerry could be as well, i guess. i'm still townreading him but mainly because he looks like he's trying. i don't think he slipped like Dodge says but i do think it was a little odd.

[Not Chara]

i'm townreading gerry again.
but i'm townreading Maria more. the only connection between these two is that they're friends, honestly.
will explain the pepto SR when i'm not on mobile.

is that every NPC eliminated?

[Not Chara]

gerry, before i answer your question, can you tell me about why you're townreading me in this game?

[Not Chara]

gerry, while i can see you as town here, i'm still working through whether it's a different environment from Inception, or if the difference is because you're town here where you were not before.
i don't find Almost's stance on you particularly scummy. he's pushing on things i think Almost would push on, like perceived contradictions. he's definitely picking up on how you're different than Inception here, but i'd actually be more suspicious of him if he was taking that as an absolute townread.
he 'jumped down your throat' for your weirdness about wanting to lynch Dodge. i myself don't understand the difference between wanting Dodge lynched for 'stupidity' or wanting to vengekill him for it. (i know you don't think he's scum, but i don't get the difference in kill methods) i don't think it's a slip but it is a little strange, and it's not odd that Almost would pick up on it.

right now, i'd be more willing to lynch gerry than Almost, but i don't really want either of them.

Almost: do you think it's possible gerry just didn't read the rules properly? he was certainly a lot more nonchalant about doing so in Inception (even when getting heat for it) than he has been here.

[Not Chara]

no, i don't. he didn't mention it as why he was scumreading you, and i doubt he would jump in to defend someone he thought was scum if they were capable of saying that themselves.

can you explain the parts i don't understand here? what happened there, why did you say all that about wanting Dodge lynched but double-back and say you wouldn't venge him for the same reason?

[Not Chara]

also you were scum in Inception. it's not NAI unless you have a towngame where you didn't do it. (that Almost would know about)
i don't find the point scummy, is what i'm saying. your play is weird, i'm townreading it for the emotional aspect and the difference to Inception.

why did you find it strange that Maria was townreading you so hard? doesn't she know you well?

[Not Chara]

will catch up here soon.

[Not Chara]

I'm probably one of them.

I don't see Titus's "slip" as a real slip, and his reactions I don't see as paticularaly scummy. He's a mild scumlean at worst, and I won't be voting him today barring some big revelation.

A lot has been said on chick's scummyness, but honistly my biggest reason to scumread her is still the same as before. I think she's teamed with Math.

did you even read my response to you last time you posted here?

[Not Chara]

Titus, you're just calling every single action Chickadee takes scummy. it doesn't feel like you're properly evaluating her and right now i don't feel like the wagon is very compelling.

gerry, Screamer: who do you feel is doing this?

[Not Chara]

why did you find it strange that Maria was townreading you so hard? doesn't she know you well?

because she would do that as mafia or town. if she didn't TR me i would know she was mafia, so she's forced to try and defend.

it sounds like NAI behaviour then. i was asking what made it strange/scummy.
if she would defend you no matter what, why did you bring it up as weird?

[Not Chara]

We should lynch Tywin today.

what does everyone scumreading Tywin think about scum having a daykill?

Almost, why do you think it isn't just the mod making scum power uneven, or balancing in a way we can't see right now? i already pointed out that the second lyncher isn't in the same position Gamma was. it's not the

same

situation, but we just ended a game with a miller, godfather, and no cop. you're not entertaining this bastard game could have a 1-shot scum dayvig?

[Not Chara]

lynchers lose if they die or their target is nightkilled. i also don't find a possible solo 3p entity especially unlikely. you could argue their chances are bad in any game. the difference between a two-man team and a solo 3p with some buffs isn't all that large.

[Not Chara]

Yes, but Between then and now it became clear that a 2 player scumteam is not a given, so I didn't feel the need to point it out.

why do you have nothing to say about the entire rest of the game at all?

and no, there's no evidence there are teams larger than two. you should explain why Chick is scum without just saying 'plenty of others have talked about why'.

gerry: read pepto's ISO, would you? it's not very long. there's no townplay or real scumhunting.

[Not Chara]

bah. go green!
<3