Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

VOTE: PV

[Titus]

Yes flavor thing? I don't get the question.

What is a a BeeBop crew?

PV are you Ein, Ed, Jet Black, or Steve Spiegel?

[Titus]

ah yes steve spiegelberg. the greatest director of the modern era!

Almost as good as Spike Mafia.

:-p

Silly brain farts.

[Titus]

Titus has been actively townhunting this entire game by trying to signal to the BeBop crew.

This means so little I'm astonished you attach any significance to it.

Regarding the NKs: I'm pretty damn sure everyone who was outright suspected by Doggo or SQ isn't scum on the team that killed them. They could still be scum, but yeah, too early in a game this size to kill people because they suspect you. I guess it's possible they killed them for a reason unrelated to their suspicion of their slots, but I'm giving that less probabilistic weight.

Also, I lied yesterday. Well, exaggerated. I'm a lie detector, yes, but only on even nights, and only for the phase immediately preceding the night, so I'll be back later to check on what things I want people to firmly establish as true. Suggestions are welcome.

Great.

You can "check" any one of my posts and they should come back as true and we can stop the dick measuring contest. Or you can show me your katana.

[Titus]

cerb goes back in my scumpile :/

I know, I really wanna lynch him but that's suboptimal.

[Titus]

Gork, can I drink during the workday? No. *sigh*

[Titus]

For me, loud just seems bastard to give to scum. There are not many roles I can think of where it be worth the drawback. Silencer maybe?

I was a loud scum doctor in Gay mafia 3.

How did that work? How does that make sense? So whoever you protected was told? Well if you only protected scum, then wouldn't that be a pointless modifier? I'm not really seeing the point?

I protected town and used it to "confirm" myself when there was no kill.

[Titus]

at the start of d1 titus claimed a list of 5 characters that were confirmed as town to her.

My bad, I missed that. Who are the five town?

If PV can't read the first page he is scum.
He should ya know quit scumclaiming.

--Math

He did the exact same thing in Elemental Trinity as scum.

--Math

Was going to let it go, but no.

Civilization Mafia.

Yeah calling Math dumb isn't helping.

[Titus]

Cerb would me being informed others are town always return a true result?

[Titus]

This just feels like weird awkward fishing mechanics.

[Titus]

waffling a bit on Titus too last night til we got the PM from Firebringer.

What?

[Titus]

waffling a bit on Titus too last night til we got the PM from Firebringer.

What?

The PM from Firebringer with the Town result Titus. We thought it might have been a WWE situation.

--Math

Ok, I know what you're thinking and that actually was just SQ rolling with their thoughts based on my play, not my intentional plan.

[Titus]

can't we just use the lie detector to determine whether dave killed SQ?

Why not put "I don't know who attempted to kill SQ" if that would not always turn back a positive result? Since this is almost certainly multiball, we'd get a result that Dave's team didn't kill SQ. It would only work until the end of multiball though.

If that would always generate a truthful result, your question is awesome.

[Titus]

can't we just use the lie detector to determine whether dave killed SQ?

Why not put "I don't know who attempted to kill SQ" if that would not always turn back a positive result? Since this is almost certainly multiball, we'd get a result that Dave's team didn't kill SQ. It would only work until the end of multiball though.

If that would always generate a truthful result, your question is awesome.

Meh, the grammar phrasing on this is awkward.

[Titus]

can't we just use the lie detector to determine whether dave killed SQ?

That indirectly determines alignment so no.

Where did your vig shot go?

[Titus]

no it doesn't. vigilantes exist.
Titus suggestion yields more information, but might be more inclined to count as 'alignment indicative'?

Indeed and the phrasing would need to be precise but Cerb is good at that.

[Titus]

@Titus -- I imagine this is you right now. You has sads that I got the chocolates. You can be Anna and I will be Elsa and we will rock this.

Spoiler: gif

@Not Chara -- It actually isn't IMHO. A Town PR could be aware of who shot SQ. Town and scum have an equally viable chance for that statement.

You has bananas.

The chocolate relay system got shot when SQ died. I not sads you got bananas. I'm sad you can't tell the difference between bananas and chocolates.

[Titus]

I apparently am the bananas I received because I am lost.

PV is scum. Cerb needs to check Dave.

--Math

Welp, I'll just go for too subtle. You're looking in the right place too, but you're supposing I knew SQ's role when I didn't.

[Titus]

it's not Cerb asking a question, it's checking if a post of dave's is true or not.
something like making him say 'i don't know who killed SQ' might work. but using that on

any

player in the game could catch someone from the team that shot them. so it just feels like too much, and Fire might rule against it.

I presume Cerb would get back to us if that's legal.

Dave should just make two posts either way before Cerb comes back. One stating he did not kill SQ. The other stating that he doesn't know who killed SQ.

[Titus]

I think Tywin, Ramicus, Gorkington, Ramona-Scott all town.

Still suspicious of RachMarie.

Tywin was part of yesterday's discussion between Gorkington and me.

Ramicus, I think I discussed, but similar play to Timeshift.

Gorkington, to me, obv-town, which is why I discussed with him.

Ramona-Scott mostly today's posting, but looked through their ISO, and gives me townvibes.

Cerb from his posts yesterday, claim is just a plus.

Why am I in this post?

Even the scum aren't pushing you Cerby. They know I'm pretty much not willing today.

[Titus]

AJLKGJLKAJGLKJALJGLKJALKJGLKJALKJGLKJLKAJGLKJALKDJAL

Titus is banned from questions and requests.

hahahahaha.

But one MORE QUESTION???? Can you tell me how many questions I have left before this becomes real?

[Titus]

@Cerb, Can you lie detect things that I have no knowledge of?

For instance, if I start claiming that all scum left have a gun?

[Titus]

@Cerb, Can you lie detect things that I have no knowledge of?

For instance, if I start claiming that all scum left have a gun?

I wouldn't call that a lie detector tbh

Gamma, I'm wanting to vote you.

Who is scum?

[Titus]

I'm feeling Tywin or PV is scum. Though I'm kinda skeptical on PV because he's kinda doing that "fuk da polees" thing.

Do you think Insomniacs are scum?
What fuck the police thing is PV doing? Why does that make you waffle?

[Titus]

I'm feeling Tywin or PV is scum. Though I'm kinda skeptical on PV because he's kinda doing that "fuk da polees" thing.

Do you think Insomniacs are scum?
What fuck the police thing is PV doing? Why does that make you waffle?

I do not think Insomniacs is scum.
The fuck the police thing is the scumreading of you. I kinda doubt scum would try to fly against the current of town!Titus.

Yeah, are you even reading either? Insomniacs claims a that Tywin is mod confirmed town because they got SQ's result. The only way Twyin could be scum is if Tywin is a non-Syndicate Godfather or Insomniacs is scum.

Why don't you try again at some scumreads?

[Titus]

@Cerb, if you ever get stuck, check my next post.

[Titus]

There are less than 2 non-town players without guns in the game.

[Titus]

There are two or more non-town roles without guns remaining in the game.

[Titus]

There is more than one scum team.

There is only one scum team.

There are one or more SKs.

There is not an SK.

There are more than one scum team and there are one or more SKs.

More than one player visited SQ.

Only one player visited SQ.

I stayed home.

I did not stay home.

Bebop crew are all town.

Bebop crew are not all town.

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy

Each must have a separate post.

[Titus]

I have not killed anyone through actions this game.

[Titus]

I cannot kill.

[Titus]

I do not have a gun.

[Titus]

This sounds kind of dumb but sure.

I do not have a gun.

I do not have access to a factional PT.

I think that cerb's claimed power is incredibly ridiculous, but I don't know if it's too insane to be real or too insane to be fake
(oh wait that last one was just my actual thought process)

My thought is, who cares, let's roll with it and see who objects.

[Titus]

I do not have a gun.

I should rephrase this.

My flavor has a gun, but I do not have a gun.

[Titus]

we should decide on like 2-3 questions, not 100.
pls and ty.

Probably accurate. Let's not spam but so tempting.

[Titus]

@Gorkington, Cerb being where he is by play makes sense. He should really be higher on your reads though. I don't know how I can be any more direct without a sledgehammer.

[Titus]

VOTE: Carnelian

Fine, let's do this or mhsmith0 then Gork.

[Titus]

VOTE: Carnelian

Fine, let's do this or mhsmith0 then Gork.

You have Gork as a scumread?

No. The comment was addressed to Gork. He was bitching about you being a compromise lynch.

[Titus]

are you not seeing the issue here?

No

so youre just trolling then? thats what im taking away from this.

@Gorkington, Cerb being where he is by play makes sense. He should really be higher on your reads though. I don't know how I can be any more direct without a sledgehammer.

im not going to vote to lynch him, but im also not going to townread him because you tell me to. lol.

You're more slim.

idk what this means!

VOTE: Carnelian

Fine, let's do this or mhsmith0 then Gork.

why carn over rach?
smith wouldnt be a terrible wagon but i also think itd suck to lose him if hes town here.

I townread Rach.
At somepoint Gork, you will see the sledgehammer. Some day you will see my kat. Just control f orce my kat.

[Titus]

Who said Carnelian/Yume wouldn't fakeclaim miller?

How about we lie detect the miller claim?

That would indirectly indicate alignment IMO

No. It would say whether Carn is lying about being a miller. Town can fakeclaim. Do something other than talk about lie detectors.

[Titus]

Who said Carnelian/Yume wouldn't fakeclaim miller?

How about we lie detect the miller claim?

That would indirectly indicate alignment IMO

No. It would say whether Carn is lying about being a miller. Town can fakeclaim. Do something other than talk about lie detectors.

Scum can also be a miller.

[Titus]

A lurker lynch really? Carnelian is likely going to be replaced. As Carnelian is in practically every game. *sigh*

Do you still scumread PV Titus? Help me understand here.

--Math

If it's not being town, I don't care. It's not worth wasting an investigative on. I am lynch anyone not obvtown and sort it from there. Too many players a wake without a guilty of any sort to demand player X be lynched. Whomever resists is more telling.

[Titus]

Who said Carnelian/Yume wouldn't fakeclaim miller?

How about we lie detect the miller claim?

That would indirectly indicate alignment IMO

No. It would say whether Carn is lying about being a miller. Town can fakeclaim. Do something other than talk about lie detectors.

WHy would town fake claim miller?

Why is irrelevant for purposes of the question. Town CAN so that the lie detector is not an alignment detector. Alisae fake claimed PGO for instance, so a lie detector can be used on a role claim.

[Titus]

I don't think I've seen Vax!scum.

He'll get caught up in role mechanics and fuck himself if scum.

[Titus]

I don't think I've seen Vax!scum.

He'll get caught up in role mechanics and fuck himself if scum.

Link plz

Gay mafia.

[Titus]

If not doing PV I could do Not Chara or Gork. Really think PV is better lynch.

They both seem to agree with me too much and it scares me. Thoughts Titus?

--Math

Work with those who agree with you. Generate new list.

[Titus]

Attacking the attacker (in this case me) doesn't help me read you better if you're Town.

This has become the standard response if I scumread anyone. Instead of just saying "I suck" albeit in a nice way, how about you address my concerns?

For example I am at the top of Gork's town list and I don't like how Not Chara in essence recycled my argument. Plus Not Chara agrees with me on Vax even after Titus said no to a Vax lynch so I don't know what purpose that serves. And it asked about Gork's reads when they are literally a few posts back.

It doesn't sit right to me.

--Math

--Math

Math, you're SRing town blocks again.

Back away. You're good at seeing relationships but not at putting the right labels. Tell me the board. Who are the blocks without alignment calls? Who is working together?

[Titus]

If not doing PV I could do Not Chara or Gork. Really think PV is better lynch.

They both seem to agree with me too much and it scares me. Thoughts Titus?

--Math

Work with those who agree with you. Generate new list.

This is what I am doing with you Titus.

<<Hugs you>>

Make a note of buddying but I am not lynching those who are buddying you. Form your organic block.

[Titus]

Fine, let's do this or mhsmith0

Titus, I'm increasingly weirded out by the fact that you're scumreading me with seemingly no explanation (other than a brief note about "buddy tells" and "resistance" to the sly wagon - which is itself odd since the point I was raising there was specific to shutting down doggo's case against SQ). I'm actually kinda used to you aggressively derp-tunneling me for objectively shitty reasons, so this "eh i guess we can lynch smith" bit is just really weird coming from you. I'm pretty clearly one or your top few scumreads, so please actually lay out why you think I'm scum.

PS

Spoiler: Context behind my "resistance"

Fuck you.

There's way more to the SlySly wagon than you wish to think..

You're clearly white knighting / chainsawing whatever you will.

So I think there are two issues at work

1) How much more to doggo's case there was than SQ represented
2) Whether the people hopping on the sly wagon actually were engaging with the substance of said case or whether it was a lazy wagon

I feel like there's a reasonable possible world where trans is correct about #1 and SQ on #2 and they're just fighting becuase they care about different things, but i haven't gotten to the sly wagon yet to see if it's actually true so *shrugs*

For those with short memories, doggo was aggressively pushing the idea that SQ was scum due to his sly resistance, and THAT was explcitly what I was arguing against.
I explicitly get into it at
viewtopic.php?p=9192884#p9192884
viewtopic.php?p=9193555#p9193555
etc

This post is why you're wagonable. Discrediting appears to be your focus over finding scum.

[Titus]

This post is why you're wagonable. Discrediting appears to be your focus over finding scum.

Well at least that's SOMETHING of a reason I guess. Anything else?

You going to tell me who scum is? Or not?

[Titus]

Attacking the attacker (in this case me) doesn't help me read you better if you're Town.

This has become the standard response if I scumread anyone. Instead of just saying "I suck" albeit in a nice way, how about you address my concerns?

For example I am at the top of Gork's town list and I don't like how Not Chara in essence recycled my argument. Plus Not Chara agrees with me on Vax even after Titus said no to a Vax lynch so I don't know what purpose that serves. And it asked about Gork's reads when they are literally a few posts back.

It doesn't sit right to me.

--Math

--Math

Math, you're SRing town blocks again.

Back away. You're good at seeing relationships but not at putting the right labels. Tell me the board. Who are the blocks without alignment calls? Who is working together?

Too many players to find blocks yet. Head hurts thinking about blocks ATM.

Mostly I am poking unexplained reads right now or patterns I have noticed only scum versions do or essentially naked votes.

--Math

Talk to me about patterns. Particularly near mhsmith0.

[Titus]

This post is why you're wagonable. Discrediting appears to be your focus over finding scum.

that post looks like he's trying to sort you. where's the discrediting in his ISO that isn't that post? i haven't really examined smith here yet.

and why am i town?

Nah, he basically said your reasons for SRing me suck. That tells me he has zero interest in sorting me at all.

Please examine him.

You're town because I say so and you Math interactions. :-p

[Titus]

The "discrediting" argument is that I point out that she's usually aggressively full of shit when she reads me (which btw is pretty accurate over our shared meta). The sorting is the fact that she's not doing that here, which I find weird. Titus immediately defaulting to interpreting it as a discredit and not a sort or me just being open w my process is slightly villagery for her fwiw.

And that's incorrect. I have sorted you as possible scum would lynch until you hunt scum. If you refuse to talk about who scum are, I am voting you.

[Titus]

Calling people scummy is how I poke people.

I find issue. I call out issue.

When issue addressed I back off.

Issue has been satisfactorily addressed and you can join Not Chara in my reads.

--Math

Hugs.

Can you pattern mhsmith0 now?

VOTE: mhsmith0

My gut says he's red.

[Titus]

First of all, she's not a mason? Nor is her she "verifiable" in any way. The mechanical things don't actually apply in any sense. Even if fhey did, what prompted you to start talking about her again if you've decided that her behaviors you find suspicious were NAI due to the mechaniCal claim? For that matter, how does someone whose behaviors you are expressly suspicious of end up as one of your top town reads in the first place? The mechanical argument holds no water. How is her claim nonsensical as scum? I said earlier that it's a very good claim in multiball because it allows her to actively be loud and participate while suggesting that if the other team shoots her for drawing too much attention they'll confirm a bunch of people as town. Basically, your reasoning on the mechanics and how that interacts with her play doesn't make sense, and the position you ended up at with these thoughts doesn't make sense, and coming back town the idea that she lacks her town fire when you already decided that didn't matter doesn't make sense.

Yup. I am a mason in terms of you calling it a 1-way mason. I recruit my mason partners at night. They're the list. We just don't have a PT yet. That's why I want them to say hi to me. So we would have been. I'm pretty much a one way mason that doesn't know who she's masoning. I don't have absolute proof those slots are in the game. (Hence why I'm not including my flavor although it may be on the list.) Your stubbornness in this regard is baffling.

So either, we can waste time and I start looking for a katana, or you can accept this Cerb.

Let's talk about who is scum. k?

[Titus]

Actually A50 that's not a bad idea, lynching on the Sly wagon

We should lynch off it. Red scum are unlikely to bus. Thus, we'd be more likely to hit town or non-Red scum on that wagon.

[Titus]

Perhaps you should call your role what it is and then there wouldn't be any need for discussion? You're an informed town neighborizer, with the caveat that you can only neighborize certain individuals(based on what you just said).

At least, that's what your claiming. If town, it's also plausible you're simply a neighborizer who is utilizing flavor knowledge to increase the likelihood of creating what is functionally a masonry from your perspective. If scum, you could just be a neighborizer attempting to flush out likely PRs.

My insistence on using the word mason way back in that first game together was the result of ignorance as to how else to describe it(+how my role pm described the role)...you know better than I did back then, and you should stop attempting to sway public opinion in your favor by repeating the word mason as though it were an accurate to describe your role.

My insistance on using the word mason is from my role. I said confirmed town numerous times. Part of my role is that I'm a masonizer with flavor. I said it all in my first post even using the word informed Cerb.

I have not seen a single episode of Cowboy Bebop.

[Titus]

Actually A50 that's not a bad idea, lynching on the Sly wagon

We should lynch off it. Red scum are unlikely to bus. Thus, we'd be more likely to hit town or non-Red scum on that wagon.

You don't get it
I want to lynch "blue" scum today (I am just saying blue since it's the logical conclusion) so we can form associations.
My next post will display my preferred lynches for today.

And there's no way to tell which from which. Yet, scum as a whole would be more likely to be off the wagon.

[Titus]

Actually A50 that's not a bad idea, lynching on the Sly wagon

We should lynch off it. Red scum are unlikely to bus. Thus, we'd be more likely to hit town or non-Red scum on that wagon.

^ better to fully remove a source of kills than to wound both. I'm mot sure I agree that they were unlikely to bus, but losing their gf mid day probably messed with things a bit. Probablya lot of value to be gained in seeing how people's perspectives on sly shifted(not their perspectives on gamma!) after the vig shot happened.

Pedit: let's clarify this. You can't call yourself a masonizer AND claim that the confirmation is one way. That doesn't work. Masonries are mutually confirmed. Without that, they're just hoods, and you're just a neighborizer.

No. I'm a one-way masonizer. My masonizer only works on those flavors I know and is literally called a masonizer. So I can use the terms the mod gives me. Can you not be interested in telling me HOW to play my role as opposed to just actually scumhunting? k thanks.

[Titus]

Socrates, Master Vampire, Not Fury, RachMarie, Scott and Ramona, rb, Ramcius, Cerberus v666, Siblings Quarrel, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara, Chairman Doggo, Gorkington
Eliminating the flipped Town:
Socrates, Master Vampire, Not Fury, RachMarie, Scott and Ramona, rb, Ramcius, Cerberus v666, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara, Gorkington
Eliminating people I hard read as Town:
Socrates, Master Vampire, RachMarie, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara
Organizing this in order of who I want to lynch, top being most wanted lynch
Tywin
Socrates/Master Vampire
NC
Davesaz (I kinda doubt he's scum due to visiting the nightkill, could be scum opposite the ones who killed SQ)
Rach/Gin
A50 (I highly doubt he'd execute that move unless he didn't realize I'd go this far)

Great. Gamma, the more your obsessed with lynching ON the Sly wagon, the more you tell me you're scum and your partners are OFF the wagon.

[Titus]

Titus take off the tinfoil hat pls

Why shouldn't I have it on? This is multiball. Giving each team a dayvig or just a vig would increase the KPN.

[Titus]

Naw, this is more fun. I'd rather have you accurately express what your claiming to be able to do so we can evaluate it.

Plus...what makes you think I'm mot scumhunting here? Pretty sure my doubt of you is quite evident. Backing you into a corner and forcing you to clearly define your role while also pointing out your manipulative verbiage only helps me sort you, and get you lynched if I decide I've reached a high enough degree of certainty that you're scum.

Because nothing here actually determines alignment. I've said what I say. I've left myself open to your lie detector. I could even say my role is _________ Masonizer or Masonizer __________ for you to lie detect.

It's not "manipulative" to get the information out there for everyone to know. The fact you keep spamming this non-sense as opposed to looking for scum is frankly annoying and you know better. You can just make me say what you want and lie detect it and we move on.

[Titus]

@Titus: why does gamma have to be groupscum? As opposed to an SK as I suggested yesterday.

The amount of deaths, flavor analysis gathered from the wiki, etc.

[Titus]

@Titus: why does gamma have to be groupscum? As opposed to an SK as I suggested yesterday.

The amount of deaths, flavor analysis gathered from the wiki, etc.

What flavor analysis are you using here?

Death description.

[Titus]

And the manipulative part is the verbiage Titus. You know that. People will see you say mason and lose the ability to think critically. Even if your role calls what you're doing that, you KNOW that's not the effect you're having.

And they shouldn't. If those slots are in the game, they are town. There should be no critical thought on that point. It's just fact. Uncontrovertably. If Ein is in the game, they are 100% town, and not worth investigating.

[Titus]

Titus -- Cerberus is a traditional player.
Cerberus -- Titus is a manipulative player as town or scum.

Both of you knock it off, have fun, townread each other and:

Spoiler: HUG EACH OTHER

https://media.giphy.com/media/XpgOZHuDf ... 949419fc2f[/img]

Will catch up on the rest of the thread later.

--Math

Who said I'm not townreading Cerb? I phrased my posts to Cerb for a reason Math.

I have 0 doubt that Cerb is not red scum. 0. That's why he's a horribly lynch today despite his best efforts to the contrary.

[Titus]

Then quit arguing with him for a page or two and find the scums please.

I has wool.

--Math

I'm trying to do that with him. He wants a semantic argument.

[Titus]

Titus -- Cerberus is a traditional player.
Cerberus -- Titus is a manipulative player as town or scum.

Both of you knock it off, have fun, townread each other and:

Spoiler: HUG EACH OTHER

https://media.giphy.com/media/XpgOZHuDf ... 949419fc2f[/img]

Will catch up on the rest of the thread later.

--Math

Who said I'm not townreading Cerb? I phrased my posts to Cerb for a reason Math.

I have 0 doubt that Cerb is not red scum. 0. That's why he's a horribly lynch today despite his best efforts to the contrary.

Haven't you called for my lynch a few times? I'm pretty sure you agreed with gork when he said I was back in the scum pile, and you said you really wanted to lynch me but it was suboptimal.

....

So, eh, townreading me but you really want to lynch me?

I'm not townreading your play 100%. I just know you're not red scum. I called for your lynch day 1. Read my opening posts on day 2 again. I did not want to lynch you on day 2. I wish I could to stop the semantic crap, but that's not happening.

[Titus]

@Titus: why does gamma have to be groupscum? As opposed to an SK as I suggested yesterday.

The amount of deaths, flavor analysis gathered from the wiki, etc.

What flavor analysis are you using here?

Death description.

...

You don't believe there is a possible serial killer who uses a gun?

Mad Pierrot would like a word with you.

No. I don't believe in that scenario for the same reason you're a horrible lynch today.

[Titus]

math is playing on a level that i just cant even remotely imagine scum being able to fake. like.
scumMath has absolutely 0 reason to shade NC and i there.
its something i believe coming from townMath genuinely thinking that me agreeing with some of their reads means that im buddying them.

why bother pocketing people if youre going to do stuff like that? lol. who do you even think theyre trying to pocket?

The obvious answer on pocketing there would be Titus.

I guess I'll mull over your argument otherwise; the back and forth pinged me a bit on Math, and I've been bothered by a few things here and there from the slot, but I guess I could just be ignoring something that is better for sorting them.

...I'm very good at pocketing Titus. I've done it in every completed scum game besides one I replaced in that was a boned slot. If I was actually trying to pocket Titus I would give more resistance to what she's saying not less. Just enough to make it feel valid as she loves a good narrative. I buddy Titus as scum but I also am very "planning" oriented as scum. In every completed game here so far I've had a plan.

I also obvTown as either alignment. I encourage people to investigate authentic pings but more often than not because my reads are piss poor as town I find those scumreading me are probably the scums.

--Math

Second paragraph is kinda yuck.

[Titus]

Socrates, Master Vampire, Not Fury, RachMarie, Scott and Ramona, rb, Ramcius, Cerberus v666, Siblings Quarrel, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara, Chairman Doggo, Gorkington
Eliminating the flipped Town:
Socrates, Master Vampire, Not Fury, RachMarie, Scott and Ramona, rb, Ramcius, Cerberus v666, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara, Gorkington
Eliminating people I hard read as Town:
Socrates, Master Vampire, RachMarie, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara

you hard read ramcius as town?

Good catch. I'd also do Ramicus.

[Titus]

Socrates, Master Vampire, Not Fury, RachMarie, Scott and Ramona, rb, Ramcius, Cerberus v666, Siblings Quarrel, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara, Chairman Doggo, Gorkington
Eliminating the flipped Town:
Socrates, Master Vampire, Not Fury, RachMarie, Scott and Ramona, rb, Ramcius, Cerberus v666, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara, Gorkington
Eliminating people I hard read as Town:
Socrates, Master Vampire, RachMarie, TheRealGin-N-Tonics, Tywin Lannister, Davesaz, Almost50, Not Chara

you hard read ramcius as town?

Yeah, I said yesterday that I read his play as "fuck tha police" with rejecting the Titus/rb "masonry".

How is that a town trait?

Mafia would go with the flow to avoid sticking their neck out.

Your "fuck the police" reads just seem like more townreading whomever questions me, which has a certain amount of irony to it.

[Titus]

Whatever. Just tell me who we are lynching. As long as it's not Math, Cerb, Not Chara, rb, RachMarie, Not Fury or Shiro. I'm fine. I may have forgotten a name or two off this list but I doubt it.

[Titus]

Titus if you weren't a Masonizer I'd be scumreading you so hard for this sudden turn on me

Ok. Great. You ping rather hard as more interested in protecting players than finding scum. I'm not even voting you at the moment.

[Titus]

MariaR dead yet?

Game is boring when the scum are so obvious but people insist on ***lots of words*** instead of lynching the scum

Meh fine. I defer on this read. I always read MariaR wrong.

VOTE: MariaR

[Titus]

i can extend that invitation to you too titus

i'm not finding anything vote-worthy

I'm deferring on MariaR to rb because my history on reading MariaR is particularly bad. I've put little effort into solving them and they aren't obvtown.

[Titus]

Oh yeah and mhsmith is scum too.

Ramicus too and maybe Gamma too..

[Titus]

Players I'd always kill if I was MariaR:

Chairman Doggo
Dhairman Coggo
Dairman Choggo
oggoD namraihC


~

Gamma no, everyone should just townread the absolute ever living shit out of Gamma. We put him on the Shiniest Town Pedestal all the way to endgame.


Ramcius i agree tho

Welp we can table Gamma then. His posts today are underwhelming.

[Titus]

I'm always a ML anyway so I'll keep reading yall have fun.

Who should we be lynching instead?

[Titus]

Not interested in Tywin today. Sounds plausible for Sqs check.

[Titus]

@Math, Lurking. PyP. SltSly.

^^^ Case on MariaR.

[Titus]

hey Socrates. can we see something from you?

Almost: NAI behaviour is NAI then. just as likely to be scum, i think.
might as well check Peregrine again too.
what's PyP?

Pick Your Power.

[Titus]

@Math, Lurking. PyP. SltSly.

^^^ Case on MariaR.

You forget in PyP it was planned for me to be found and bussed right?

You were not part of that plan.

[Titus]

@Math, Lurking. PyP. SltSly.

^^^ Case on MariaR.

You forget in PyP it was planned for me to be found and bussed right?

You were not part of that plan.

Yes I was?????

Nah you were bussed over your objection. You were aware of it, but never agreed to it.

Your play here matches PyP. Do next to nothing. AtE a storm up. It's only missing the heavy buddying.

[Titus]

I was fine with it Titus and I said it in the PT more then once.

Hey Titus you should know meta doesn't work on me, I'm not ateing a storm up please show me what Ate I am using? If I wanted to use ate I would you went from "I can't read her" to "I know your scumgame" in less then a day.

The latter isn't AtE.

I wasn't pushing you because I have a high tendancy of being wrong, but if most of my townreads are pushing you, I'll chime in. Your entire ISO is more of "don't vote me" rather than pushing scum. I had to go through your ISO to even guess at who you wanted lynched. :/

[Titus]

It's fine friend I'm not mad

If I hammer Jackel I'm basically feeding myself to the dogs for you guys *shrug* If you think it's best I can do it but meh because I said I shouldn't vote him

If I do end up hammering and you guys see a few town bite on to me feel free to rush me down

So what scum pt were you reading Titus?

Endgame. And wow you got those quotes fast... almost as if you expected this argument to occur.

[Titus]

I'm defending myself the best I can I have some reads yes but not a ton that I feel confident in when I do get those reads I will give them and no sooner or less if you can't wait or you think I'm scum for that wagon away or you can join me on scum Tywin it's your pick I guess saying I'm lynchbait came off as Ate when I really was just making a statement because it's true. Hm I can stop that I guess

Or you can not be lynchbait if you feel that way by actually pushing your scumreads.

[Titus]

Drixx and Maria are not on the same scum team.

Why?

[Titus]

I can't speak for MariaR, but I'm not on

any

scum team. As always, it's really easy for people to check and see whether I'm avoiding a particular game or something (which I never do), and it should be easy to realize activity is not alignment indicative for me. If I go inactive, it's because something has come up. In this case, quite a lot of pain and lack of sleep due to said pain.

Drixx are you on my nice list?

My bad.

[Titus]

I'm behind most of the day, and I shouldn't be on anyone's any list at the moment, unless it's someone very stubborn who has never played with me and has no idea that activity is really meaningless when it comes to me (or scum pretending to be stubborn). I'm trying to catch up and keep up at the same time. The number of posts is... a lot.

Are you that clueless on what I am saying?

I'm referring to my list of conftown flavor clears. Basically is your flavor name in my first post in any way or your flavor is Jet Black.

[Titus]

@Drixx: I'm not even bothering to keep up. Every time I read I red what's on the current page snd maybe the one prior or if I need context, and then look for my is to see the last time I posted and see if anyone said anything they want me to respond to.

Too much shiz going on, not worth it until the herd is thinned as it were. Kinda shitty I have the role I do to be honest, since I'm going to have to read today in its entirety once night comes.

@Maria: you're still not understanding me. Let's say you're tywin. You know someone in the game has had a tactic used on them before. Is your first instinct as scum to target that particular person with the same tactic? Do you think Tywin simply doesn't realize that you'll be especially alert to that sort of thing since it happened to you?

You had less difficultly in SU2 and that went faster?

[Titus]

I'm behind most of the day, and I shouldn't be on anyone's any list at the moment, unless it's someone very stubborn who has never played with me and has no idea that activity is really meaningless when it comes to me (or scum pretending to be stubborn). I'm trying to catch up and keep up at the same time. The number of posts is... a lot.

Are you that clueless on what I am saying?

I'm referring to my list of conftown flavor clears. Basically is your flavor name in my first post in any way or your flavor is Jet Black.

I don't see anything that obviously matches me. And yes, I was clueless to what you were asking me.

So you're not Ein, Ed, Jet Black, or Mr. Spiegel? That's my conftown list (that's not already dead).

[Titus]

so did they get a guilty or an inno, that's what i wanna know

inno

[Titus]

Re reading back I feel stupid, I thought this quote:

rb can you give me some pro-tips on where MariaR is scum rather than just flustered and wrong

Why do you think Doggo was NK'd? Who do you think did it, and why? Who was he SRing? He gave 3 names. Do you know who they were? What thoughts do you have on them?

was directed at me for some reason so I answered it like I did so this

Kill the player I have meta on and can pocket:? Wow you're a smart one aren't you.

Why do you think Doggo was killed then? The other two big SRs were PV and Cerb. Cerb is a lie detector claim we aren't lynching.

So what's your thought on PV? Why was doggo NK'd?

Along with this felt like you trying to pin the doggo nightkill on me.

Yes, because doggo was NK'd over multiple claims,one being a vigilante, a lie detector, whatever Titus is, etc. Why was doggo NK'd? You're suggesting town should never look into NKs here, when flips and the reasons for them are commonly used tactics to find scum.

So you claiming this poor me attitude and acting as if you were so important that scum purposely went out of their way to NOT NK actual PR claims and instead take out doggo so that they could shade you is absolutely ridiculous. You can't honestly believe scum found you so dangerous that theyd go against their chances of winning just to shade the lurker MariaR in a 32 player game. Right? Right?

So I think you're making excuses. Theres no way you actually believe what you're saying here.

Ftr, I'm a horrible NK for either team. Killing me means several conftown can come out of the woodwork. :-p

[Titus]

VC please

[Titus]

Great, we aren't sure. Fuck it. The talk of the inno gives associatives but that is it. Bleh, I wish Alisae left better crumbs as to their target.

[Titus]

Should I prefer optimism to ruthless pragmatism? That's the question RE: Titus.

Well, I'm taking optimism that the smart Drixx I know and love will come out and do analysis.

[Titus]

Checking my watch.

Oh yeah it says Vax's and mhsmith's time should be limited too.

--Math

Then do mhsmith0, with people. PV wagon is dead.

[Titus]

Did Titus ever flavor claim?

I'm not asking her too but i'm curious

No. I would rather not as I am hoping scum claim my flavor if boxed in.

@Gork, You've never seen me plotting night actions to drop bombs later. Look at Space Dandy if you care. I'll be all about secret communication and public revelations, basically boxing in.

[Titus]

Did Titus ever flavor claim?

I'm not asking her too but i'm curious

No. I would rather not as I am hoping scum claim my flavor if boxed in.

@Gork, You've never seen me plotting night actions to drop bombs later. Look at Space Dandy if you care. I'll be all about secret communication and public revelations, basically boxing in.

This is dumb.

Really dumb.

Fake claims are always a thing. One could argue that the fake claims in Code Geass were questionable, but they weren't duplicates of existing flavors.

I boxed you in before in SU2 by letting you think I never suspected you and you let the town have the data that was your undoing. So yeah, the amount of information regarding the flavor confirms is exactly how I want it. You may think it's dumb, but it isn't.

That being said the amount if solitary wagons is unacceptable. People start working together.

[Titus]

Titus I still question why you have me on your unlynxhable list. What gives.

I need cookie bakers and you stole my heart with your gifs.

If we were in our hydra, what would you use our night action on?

[Titus]

its time to PICK A SIDE.

TOWN-MARIA

OR

SCUM-MARIA.

FIGHT ME OR SHEEP ME.
GET ON THE WAGON OR WHY IS IT BAD.
USE WORDS.

Town Maria.
Already did.

--Math

Why is it bad? Use words.

Second, you trying to declare the lead wagon dead in favor of PV who is good posting is a major regression.

[Titus]

@Math, I read your posts again. Lynchbait can be scum, but MariaR isn't. We need death. Your reply looks like you're starting to feel out of control and flailing rather than having a reason to TR Maria's play. If you don't have one, document your gut feels bad, get on and diagnose. The gamestate needs wagons to lynch and you know it.


@Gork, What Math is doing is not VCA.

[Titus]

its time to PICK A SIDE.

TOWN-MARIA

OR

SCUM-MARIA.

FIGHT ME OR SHEEP ME.
GET ON THE WAGON OR WHY IS IT BAD.
USE WORDS.

Town Maria.
Already did.

--Math

Why is it bad? Use words.

Second, you trying to declare the lead wagon dead in favor of PV who is good posting is a major regression.

PV is posting << Clue he is scum when he is active this early.
PV is posting nonsense << Again when PV is town he posts intelligent crap.
Major wagon is literally people don't like MariaR's playstyle. That is it.

I am calling the wagon dead because it is. People are only on it to avoid voting PV.

Look st the number of people and the solitary wagons. Almost all of them express a scumread of PV but are lynching someone else. This is indicative of a scum wagon.
Join me. You scumread PV.

Work with me. I am getting frankly pissed off that I worked with you on three lynches and you didn't even push them and now I am asking for the same thing on someone we mutually scumread you aren't working with me. You're actively trying to stop me.

--Math

I no longer SR PV. Your points are not accurate. See Civilization, also Birds of Prey hydra (way outdated).
Prove your point about SR PV but voting single wagons.
No one is voting MariaR over playstyle.

You've stopped listening ages ago because you want a particular lynch. I just went through who I wanted to lynch. Hell even out of my unlynchables, Maria is the biggest wagon and I defer to better players on her usually.

[Titus]

*my lynchables

[Titus]

titus literally just said she isnt.
lol.

you see what you want to see.
its all you ever do.

I think this is a little harsh. Math gets tunnel vision though.

[Titus]

like why would i bother engaging you
when you turn this:

mariathoughts

asks for 3 ISOs to read
gets gamma/tywin/smith

"holy shit gamma has a ton of posts"
*moves on to smith?*
*moves on to tywin?*

votes tywin off of 637.
admittedly tywin's tone has been bugging me nonstop the whole game, so i could maybe get this being a thing?
could honestly also be an easy vote/read for scum to fake though.

@maria

, why did you think smith seemed town?

i have a hard time making heads or tails of maria's reaction to the slysly wagon.
its a little overdramatic?
like.
people had arguments for why slysly was scum and she was acting like there were none?
she could have missed it,
but its frankly kind of weird that she seemed kind of more invested in defending slysly than she did in actually getting tywin lynched?
in some ways the two goals arent mutually exclusive, the intention there just feels like it could be a little off.

Lastly I've seen obv town you I have hard defended you before because you were super very obv town and this isn't it

can you describe what obvtown tywin is like from your experience?
whats the difference between here and there for you?

I guess I should eat crow here. although I still don't understand how Slysly was scummy or how anyone found anything in those 14 posts scummy.

you could have looked at the reasons that people were pushing?
there were several?

Doesn't someone have a cop inno on Tywin or did I misunderstand that.

ive been sitting on this for a bit, but i still feel like maria's reaction here is just..
wrong?
like.
put yourself in maria's shoes.
tywin is your ONLY scumread.
you hear talk of an inno on him.
and instead of going to find out exactly what the inno is/who is pushing it,
you just kind of flop and go "oh i guess i cant push this anymore".
even with her misunderstanding i just dont really believe that she just doesnt care enough to figure it out?

like, she drops the push on tywin, more than once stating "oh well theres an inno on him i guess i cant push this" and then picks it back up again without ever actually checking the inno? even though thats the only reason she dropped the push in the first place? does that really make sense?
someone please actually engage me on this instead of just telling me to stop scumreading her?

You think me having 0 reads is a scumtell? Oh come on you act like making up reads as scum is hard.

i think its hard to make up genuine sounding reasons for scumreading someone.
being afraid of being caught out for having bad reads is a pretty decent reason to scumread someone.

okay i lied im considering using more meta:

@maria

can you please link me or point me in the direction of 1-2 towngames that you feel closely resemble your play here?

VOTE: maria
ive read about 5-6 maria games.

i have so many notes :')

i think shes done 2-3 things that i would associate with her scumgame and hasnt done a few things that i would associate with her towngame.

her reaction to tywin "inno" is still really scummy.
her tone feels off.

its time to PICK A SIDE.

TOWN-MARIA

OR

SCUM-MARIA.

FIGHT ME OR SHEEP ME.
GET ON THE WAGON OR WHY IS IT BAD.
USE WORDS.
NOT JUST "THIS WAGON IS BAD" OR "MARIA IS TOWN".
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR SUBOPTIMAL PLAY ANYMORE.

to-do:

tywin metadive
gin metadive.

*shakes head*

If you're really going to go "playstyle", don't say untrue things. MariaR and I argued extensively in Civ when I had to test that read, my TRs didn't want it so I stopped. MariaR isn't lazy, unless you take Pick Your Power. Then she's lazy and good with AtE.

You hate meta but you're trying to excuse Maria's lack of drive based on faulty meta.

into "you dont like the way maria plays".
like.
if you cant see why thats the fucking dumbest bullshit thing to do.
i dont want to talk to you anymore.

Yes. This is you not liking Maria R is lazy at times. She is lazy as Town informed as scum.

--Math

[Titus]

VOTE: PV
flip this.
and when he probably flips town you let people play the game without your god damn "THIS WAGON IS NOW DEAD THANKS" bullshit.
see you guys day three.
or hopefully not.
aka: scum please fucking put a bullet in my head tonight.

Gork, don't cave my sweetthing. Math will come around. Math will learn eventually that it's ok to let others have control.

[Titus]

*shakes head*

If you're really going to go "playstyle", don't say untrue things. MariaR and I argued extensively in Civ when I had to test that read, my TRs didn't want it so I stopped. MariaR isn't lazy, unless you take Pick Your Power. Then she's lazy and good with AtE.

You hate meta but you're trying to excuse Maria's lack of drive based on faulty meta.

This got eaten in quotes.

[Titus]

no.
they wont.
math gets out of civ
and doesnt learn a fucking thing about engaging people.

literally d1 they oppose both wagons on scum
and then act like they have the basis to tell people how they should be playing.

p-edit: k.

I have hope...but they tend to take disagreeing as an affront to their ego, so its hard.

Come back to wagon of win. Rewarding Math only says to do it again.

[Titus]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=69418&user_select[]=28247

As scum MariaR blatantly shops for lynches but never really goes deep.
The fact she goes deep on her townreads makes her Town.

--Math

MariaR hasn't gone deep on anything.

[Titus]

@Math Intellectually lazy can post volumes.

Wagons force players not to be lazy. Wagoning MariaR can prove their alignment. Vote is power.

[Titus]

*glares* You are literally trying to manipulate people into just my way or the highway instead of cooperating and telling me why you don't scumread PV anymore. Both you and Gork are. I am cooperating and on a wagon that has a chance.

Nope. If someone has a factually true reason to TR MariaR not based in Waaaaah!, we'll listen.

I've already answered why I TR PV. MariaR is also the bigger wagon, so even if I SRed PV, my vote would still be on MariaR.

You know next to nothing about wagon motion Math. You're calling the biggest wagon dead is wrong. You want the biggest wagon dead.

Wagoning MariaR can either get more of the AtE displayed or reads.

[Titus]

your idea of cooperating is telling people what to do.
why not just tell me to vote vaxkiller
i would fucking do it at this point even though hes also a townread
just to get you to stop on d3.

This happened to me in Civ.

Revote MariaR and let me talk to Math?

[Titus]

Apparently I should just go back to lurking.

--Math

Let me know when you want my opinion.

Where is your hydra partner?

[Titus]

not chara might be replacing gamma as my top townread after their last few posts.
gamma's "what if the scum pile on?" is really fucking strange.

p-edit:
fine.
VOTE: maria

Gork, just pat me on the head if you find out why Cerb is a bad lynch.

[Titus]

VOTE: MariaR

When this flips Town you fucking admit you're just lynching people "because".

Oh yeah NC is town.

Narna has been potentially site flaking. We've been talking on Discord if they don't want to post soon I will just replace as me.

--Math

If MariaR is town, we'll admit to being wrong.

Thank you for being a big person.

[Titus]

i wish Doggo was still here.
Gork, you'll have to be the replacement.

pedit: still getting scumpings from Titus. entirely based on treatment of Math. nothing to do with them, but i spectated that hydra in Civ where they were both town. either Titus is scum or she's learned from that disaster. i'm hoping it's the latter.

Bit of latter (I did write a thread on cohesion). A bit of, I no longer share a vote with someone who thinks my townblock is the scumteam and won't learn to listen better instead of hearing and takes everything personally.

[Titus]

@Math People remember your loud errors more so than your loud successes, particularly when they are in the failures. It's a tool I am actually using here. You were wrong on Sly. Sit back. Listen. In multiball some scum will appear townish. Look at dynamics. I don't trust your labels too much, but I do trust your team conclusions more. If you're wrong, sit back, let others have the wheel.

You mentioned SRs on PV but voting elsewhere. I'm more interested in that, in a spoiler.

If this is wrong, we'd likely sit back.

~Titus

[Titus]

Then let it happen. Don't try to fit people to your schedule. If MariaR is dead, we'll still be here when you get back.

If you're wrong, what you're doing wouldn't stop anyone.

[Titus]

Bit of latter (I did write a thread on cohesion). A bit of, I no longer share a vote with someone who thinks my townblock is the scumteam and won't learn to listen better instead of hearing and takes everything personally.

i wasn't really asking for more Math negativity. there's been enough. maybe read your cohesion thread again. ;>
not sharing a vote, sure. i've seen you after Math in other games too. what tells you they're town here? apologies if you've already said.

The lack of listening.

Facts are not negativity.

[Titus]

Welp. Our logic just got demoted. Math is definitely coming from emotion place.

Laters.

[Titus]

Titus I still question why you have me on your unlynxhable list. What gives.

I need cookie bakers and you stole my heart with your gifs.

If we were in our hydra, what would you use our night action on?

I dunno, depends on the action.

Wake's game, I wanna know who you'd gunsmith. A pool.

[Titus]

@Math, Stop looking at how you're feeling (well important to document but not react on it). You're going based on how you feel, not on the connections.

Saying autism is not a personal insult. It should be used as a flag to accept your differences and help people shine and know what not to do.

[Titus]

He's not. If he was, I'd be pissed too. Have you looked at Hiraki's vote pattern? A hyper detailed analysis with a strong focus on black and white thinking = aspie like.

[Titus]

'i think Hiraki is scum or autistic, if it's the latter i should leave the poor guy alone' is pretty damn insulting and Math has every right to call Tywin out.

pedit: Titus a mafia game is not really the place to start trying to diagnose someone's behaviours, especially in a negative manner. and defending his 'analysis' as correct, instead of telling him to reconsider what he says, only encourages that.

Mafia is about diagnosing behaviors on a group and invidual scale. Why is X acting like Y? Role pm or something else. Now, playing armchair psychologist isn't ideal but not every observation is an insult.

@Whemestar - Shiro and I give cookies.

[Titus]

You did the same thing in 1900 you outed the fact I was an Aspie to discredit me and you fucking townread me.

Autism is becoming a fuck ton more prevalent in the world and allowing insults like retarded or autistic has to fucking stop.

There are very few things I policy lynch on. Insulting a class or group of people IS one of them.

--Math

You still didn't learn. You were wrong. You were relying on individual emotion based tunnelling rather than group dynamics. You suck and former and are good at the latter because of being an aspie.

Stick to what you're good at.

[Titus]

People need a thicker skin.

Math, no one is saying you're less than anyone else.

[Titus]

anyway.
Vampire, did you get anything from reading Cerb's ISO three times?

He's either syndicate or town. Probably town.

pedit: pretty sure there's an and that should be an at that you're reading there math that makes that Titus post just a

little

bit more insulting, but you do you booboo.

Explain this because there's about a zero percent chance Cerb is syndicate. How do you clear him from being other scum?

[Titus]

anyway.
Vampire, did you get anything from reading Cerb's ISO three times?

He's either syndicate or town. Probably town.

pedit: pretty sure there's an and that should be an at that you're reading there math that makes that Titus post just a

little

bit more insulting, but you do you booboo.

Explain this because there's about a zero percent chance Cerb is syndicate. How do you clear him from being other scum?

When I read his ISO I felt like the only scummy things I was reading from him were associations with sly or nero. I wish I could elaborate but THIS FUCKING SITE HAD MY SHIT DELETED and going over another post of his makes me nauseous.

Why so low chance of him being syndicate?

Because Star Wars. Lol.

Seriously because Cerb isn't the type to crash and burn defend.

[Titus]

how about if your sibling feels insulted you either say nothing or say 'Tywin, apologize' instead of arguing about it and defending said insult? honestly. Titus, you have your own idiosyncrasies you get shit for, your own things you get mad about. i'm saying this because i find some things you say condescending. when you explain away Math's behaviour in this game it has sometimes come off as discrediting and i think you should examine that.

Wheme: do you have game discussion you want to have?

Titus: did Cerb push Sly hard? i forget.

I would defend Math if they didn't overreact. I get called out for overreacting and I say that's not how I took it and move on, like an adult. The world doesn't have to cater to those who feel insulted. Act and intent must be there. Here, neither. Autism is a class of people who act didferently not a shield or a sword. Until Math adapts to that, they will struggle.

At best, people become fake to avoid starting this shit, which triggers a tunnel because fake.

Math is overreacting. Tywin has zilch to apologize for.

[Titus]

anyway.
Vampire, did you get anything from reading Cerb's ISO three times?

He's either syndicate or town. Probably town.

pedit: pretty sure there's an and that should be an at that you're reading there math that makes that Titus post just a

little

bit more insulting, but you do you booboo.

Explain this because there's about a zero percent chance Cerb is syndicate. How do you clear him from being other scum?

When I read his ISO I felt like the only scummy things I was reading from him were associations with sly or nero. I wish I could elaborate but THIS FUCKING SITE HAD MY SHIT DELETED and going over another post of his makes me nauseous.

Why so low chance of him being syndicate?

Because Star Wars. Lol.

Seriously because Cerb isn't the type to crash and burn defend.

omg in hydra chat my opinion on cerb is actually: "syndicate pending meta on dealing with scum mates, otherwise town"
tell me about star wars.

*Jedi Mind Trick*

Cerb is not the Syndicate you are looking for.

[Titus]

Titus go give Math a hug.

Also I'm gonna read "the game" now

I will before I head out.

[Titus]

im secretly a hutt, your jedi mind tricks will not succeed.

I am a jedi with my fellow mason jedi. We can blow up death stars. Cerb isn't Syndicate.

Seriously, I get your concern. He just insist.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: MariaR

[Titus]

Hi, are we leashing Gamma?

Ewwwww feels like shading me

It's not. Basically, just shoot who your townreads want shot.

[Titus]

I'll claim now

I'm Ein VT.

Please signal sooner, k? I've been trying to work with my TRs and knowing you're town is major helpful.

So, who do we lynch?

P.S. Thanks for the message. I got your back now. I got a plan for things tonight. If scum don't murderize you that is...if you can work with me.

I tried to account for the chance of being wrong. Hugsies.

[Titus]

Hi, are we leashing Gamma?

Ewwwww feels like shading me

It's not. Basically, just shoot who your townreads want shot.

So far Gamma is 1 for 1, which means that we're well away from the point where we'd PL him for deciding to shoot someone who flips green, so I'm not sure why anyone even cares about this conversation. He's fairly obviously well away from being forced to be leashed, and acting like the fact that he's claimed forces him to do specific things or else is fairly silly.

Leashing players is about predictability and coordination. Notice I said his townreads. It's not about him shooting a specific slot. It's about forming town unity.

I am pretty sure we have a gunsmith (read Nero flip [Godfather, with a gun]), so I've been putting feelers out the gunsmith by asking Shiro who to check. Shiro has a good impulse (if he'd be able to clear me), to start that process. Math is welcome to chime in too.

It's not meant to be used in lieu of scumhunting though. Who players protect and want vigged says things about their relationships. What they prioritize does too.

[Titus]

Flavor wiki? O_o (Reading smith atm)

OHHHH I see

Flavor for the game I am DUMB

I thought this was good enough a signal mb

Nope, I can be dense. Sorry. Smack me k?

I'll tell you my plan tomorrow... i hope.

[Titus]

I'm actually pretty suspicious of Titus atm. I've come to expect certain things from town!Titus, and letting me do anything other than my absolute top best effort is not one of them.

Anything about Titus beyond "it's sure weird she's letting me slank off like this" (like, for instance, anything she's said and done that doesn't just relate to your slot)? Or even on that topic, do you two have a long history together where she consistently pays more attention to you compared to others, or imposes higher standards on your activity or usefulness compared to what she'd expect of others?

PS Do you think she fake claims masonizer as scum? (obviously if MR flips scum Titus is a dead girl walking for instance)

Who said I'm letting him coast? Drixx is in my scumreads but I know pushing him will just fill the thread with whining right now. I'd rather have Drixx spew organically.

[Titus]

Why do you take credit for Neros flip when your shot was directed by SQ/others first of all, and second, multiball means you aren't cleared still. How is that difficult to understand?

If Gamma was going based on public opinion, he shoots Sly? Second, he shot scum so beyond listening to his TRs, he should not be leashed.

[Titus]

Also, if he is leashed for one night, and one night only, the kill (or choice of kills) will show a specific way they died. What happens if we don't leash him, only two kills go through, both are on town, and one still says 'biological/bomb' something or other? If he is town, he screws himself.

Kills have a particular flavor. I might get having gamma claim his murder flavor if he knows it. Beyond that, no

[Titus]

Gamma, are you confirmed town?

If you called out Sly, why shoot nero?

I shot Nero by just picking a scumread and shooting. Nero scummed up hard by trying to redirect my shot (onto a claimed PGO no less).

What do you think of Tywin wanting to leash you?

[Titus]

Are we wandering into SD2 territory Titus?

Space Dandy? yes and Wake's rolemadness.

[Titus]

Are we wandering into SD2 territory Titus?

Space Dandy? yes and Wake's rolemadness.

I'm not willing to go to those places again. Sorry.

Well them's the cards that are dealt. I'll be me. You'll have to figure out you and scumhunt.

[Titus]

Why tf did everyone unvote me again?

Because you can only be scum if I am scum and lying. I have knowledge that if you are Ein, you are conftown. Anyone daring to vote you is asking to be pummelized by a joint tunnel of Titus AND Math. Pretty much insanity.

[Titus]

Are we wandering into SD2 territory Titus?

Space Dandy? yes and Wake's rolemadness.

I'm not willing to go to those places again. Sorry.

Well them's the cards that are dealt. I'll be me. You'll have to figure out you and scumhunt.

That doesn't have to involve hurling insults at me.

Yeah, I don't think we meant the same thing. I thought you meant my intended strategy, not insulting you. That I don't endorse.

What do you need to get reads?

[Titus]

All it takes is for one of those roles to not be in the game except as a scum fakeclaim.
This is your periodic reminder that nothing is confirmed.

I am a masonizer. My masonizer will fail if MariaR is scum. Considering it bypassed ascetic, fakeclaiming would be outed if I live.

If Maria's scum, that forces their team to kill me with a strongman to have any shot at hiding Maria's scumminess. That leaves a particular pool of claims scum cannot challenge in thread without undermining MariaR.

So yeah, it's a suicide claim to fake if I am alive.

They could also get shot by the other team, particularly if it's said team that shot SQ.

So while it's theoretically possible MariaR is scum, it's a shit bricks move.

[Titus]

Maybe you're right, I just strongly object to confirming people, and having been burned before...

It's ok to have MariaR as theoretically possible scum. I do this all the time. It's just realizing she's highly unlikely to be scum.

[Titus]

I think after one game I've traumatized titus for life also Math answer my question danke

which question?

[Titus]

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As scum MariaR blatantly shops for lynches but never really goes deep.
The fact she goes deep on her townreads makes her Town.

--Math

Bad game to meta me on since it was planned to take me down also math aren't you a bit worried given you had a strong meta case on me before but it was 100% false? Why can't I be doing that here

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As scum MariaR blatantly shops for lynches but never really goes deep.
The fact she goes deep on her townreads makes her Town.

--Math

MariaR hasn't gone deep on anything.

What the? This is false I am engaging my townreads I am getting reads on people I sr you saying I haven't done anything is just false and a misrep

I don't play lazy as town I play the best way I can and how I want to in every game I play meta isn't something I want anyone to read me on mostly because it's wrong I want people to read me for my actions in this game if you think my actions in this game are scummy vote me if you tr me for them perfect that's all

Can you rephrase? I don't see a question.

[Titus]

I don't understand why Math isn't the least bit worried about me when there whole read on me is meta and we just came out of a game where they was super confident on me with a meta read and it was 100% false

Ok, well I'll let them answer. I thought it was for me.

[Titus]

I'll ask you a question then.

For someone who has said themselves reading me is hard you seemed pretty confident I'd be flipping scum for a bit so what changed for you to go from "idk I can't rly read maria" too "She's flipping scum I am sure of it"

My TRs scumread you.

[Titus]

sucks none of your trs know how to READ!

Cmon, this isn't helpful. You can bitch in our PT tomorrow to be secret until post game.

Give us a pool to lynch from. Wagons are divided.

[Titus]

I'd prob lynch in Gin RB (for never explaining his read on me) and Hiraki maybe throw in Scott

Rb appears to be pretty town for the whole I'm Valentine thing.

I'll check the others.

[Titus]

I could do Hiraki or Scott. I'd feel better about Ramicus. You're call.

[Titus]

Sleepy as hell. haven't read except latest post.

@Titus -- Is the Maria R wagon dead? Why are you saying other people? If so why are you not backing off like you promised?

Yes. It is dead. I'm discussing with MariaR who to lynch. You missed a question from her btw.

[Titus]

You're thinking rb is town for the valentine thing because of trying to draw scum off the real valentine?
What if he was trying to draw the real valentine out while also appearing to be town?
If there is more to it than that driving the tr, please elaborate.

There are multiple characters who are Valentines. I have considered the possibility of rb scum.

I also like his scumhunting and taking charge. Could he be scum, sure. I did go wrong somewhere.

[Titus]

I could lynch Ramcius.

Don't want to do Scott&Ramona

Hiraki I'm not sure on at all actually

Care to explain each?

[Titus]

@Titus as i said haven't read yet. Will read in the AM.

Doesn't seem like backing off to me but I am sleepy. What do I know?

--Math

I'm getting my TRs talking but I am not picking this lynch. They are...well unless they pick I pick. We need unity.

[Titus]

@Math, not thrilled about lynching Vax or PV. If you get my trs on board, I will.

@Math, Read Faye wiki? Otherwise, I don't get it.

[Titus]

Who do your TRs want to lynch? Who are they?

[Titus]

My townreads are not saying a damn thing.

Then ask them who they want? I don't know who you TR?

None of my other TRs want PV.

Are you not TRing any active people?

[Titus]

My townreads worship the ground you walk on and aren't doing anything until you give the blessing.
Not Chara and Gork and Cerb and fuck just read my ISO.

Yeah, Cerb's paranoid as fuck about me. Same with not Chara. Gork is the reason we swapped from PV to Maria. I agree with his analysis.

You're feeling excluded here, but there's a hell of a lot more than two scum.

What do you think Cerb, Gork, and Not Chara need?

[Titus]

VOTE: Not Fury

I don't really agree with this, but let's see what happens with pressure. I could be wrong.

Math, thoughts on Drixx?

[Titus]

@Math, There's no guarantee all five slots are in the game. My masonizer confirms if MariaR is exactly who she is.

I'm not sure what you mean by my only one rule.

Catch you tonight.

[Titus]

I actually think Titus laid out a town tell, so whatever weird plan she has going on I'm sort of ignoring for the moment.

If you think I am town, please work with me and give reads.

[Titus]

Cerb, what do you think of Math having a two player lynchpool? I get gut pings each time I see that.

[Titus]

What is this about NF being a daycop? Those are almost always fake.

[Titus]

What is this about NF being a daycop? Those are almost always fake.

DayCop: Gamma Emerald

I haven't read past this tho.

Meh, not a bad choice for a fake daycop. Most other investigations wouldn't show crap.

[Titus]

When considering if Gamma is scum, ignore all concepts of meta/what you've seen before.

Two kills is far too low for a multiball + neutral setup. Like honestly, this is silly. Two kills. Fuck other reasons for finding him scummy, why were there two kills?

2 kills = 2 factional kills. So we either have an arson or we have an SK who dayvig'd and can't night kill because of that. He also said he had unlimited shots. Dayvig with unlimited night shots? Yea bullshit. He's SK.

PV is also scum though, so it's like which is scummier at the moment.

If you don't leash gamma, he'll stabby stabby me tonight and say "he was gonna be a problem endgame hurrrrr." And the rest of you, being incompetent, will believe him.

We don't have to dictate who he does shoot to leash him.

If you're a claimed cop and actually give results, he'd be dumb to shoot you, as you'd box yourself in. Have a little more faith in people.

(I'm presuming the day cop was real here, although I probably shouldn't.)

[Titus]

Not to mention in a 32 player game it's even more likely that you'll run into stupid mechanics

I'll give you that it's possible with the size, but I've never encountered it before and I really don't see him doing the kill if he has this role. How do you rationalize that?

I've seen loud modifier on scum in multiple games

I ~think~ I may have seen a loud RB as scum once a couple years ago on a different forum, but that doesn't instill me with faith that I'd see it again.

I'll consider it a possibility though because you have site meta and because FB and FA are both likely to do crazy things, comparable to which this would be rather tame.

I just finished as a loud doctor, as scum. Coasted when there was no NK n1.

[Titus]

Not to mention in a 32 player game it's even more likely that you'll run into stupid mechanics

I'll give you that it's possible with the size, but I've never encountered it before and I really don't see him doing the kill if he has this role. How do you rationalize that?

I've seen loud modifier on scum in multiple games

I ~think~ I may have seen a loud RB as scum once a couple years ago on a different forum, but that doesn't instill me with faith that I'd see it again.

I'll consider it a possibility though because you have site meta and because FB and FA are both likely to do crazy things, comparable to which this would be rather tame.

I just finished as a loud doctor, as scum. Coasted when there was no NK n1.

Yeah, I just read that here. Gay Mafia, right?
That's pretty smart actually!

You obviously didn't make the kill though, because that would destroy your whole claim. That's my problem with a scumread on Davesaz atm.
Unless he's from the team that didn't make the kill, I just don't see why he would target the scum kill.

Possible but why doesn't make sense until the information is in. That's why Dave should have claimed. Otherwise, it's wifom.

[Titus]

There is no particular reason for him to claim at this point, given that loud __ is (I think we all agree?) LIKELIER to be coming from town than scum. Unless you think he's actively scummy, in which case he should be a wagon and forced to claim that way. But "he did something last night, that almost certainly failed (due to ascetic), better get a claim" strikes me as counter-productive; if his ability is useful, better to see what happens with it night 2, and if it's not useful, better for scum to be incentivized to shoot a PR slot.

I think that Davesaz should claim regardless of his alignment. I'm big on accountability. I'd wagon there in a heartbeat, but he's not claiming precisely because the posts like you and Ari.

[Titus]

Also there's over 10 slots whose activity is well below average, and a few who are WAY below average. If someone has a good case on an active slot, cool, otherwise I kinda just want to wagon one of the lurkerslots since there's way too many of them and I'm not really scum-reading most of the stuff that's flying around the board.

Names specifically please.

[Titus]

There is no particular reason for him to claim at this point, given that loud __ is (I think we all agree?) LIKELIER to be coming from town than scum. Unless you think he's actively scummy, in which case he should be a wagon and forced to claim that way. But "he did something last night, that almost certainly failed (due to ascetic), better get a claim" strikes me as counter-productive; if his ability is useful, better to see what happens with it night 2, and if it's not useful, better for scum to be incentivized to shoot a PR slot.

I think that Davesaz should claim regardless of his alignment. I'm big on accountability. I'd wagon there in a heartbeat, but he's not claiming precisely because the posts like you and Ari.

Accountability is great, but I'm pretty ok with giving a slot ONE night to actually do something (since anything other than a kill would have failed there due to ascetic). So I'd oppose a day 2 claim there unless you think he's scummy enough to wagon, in which case go for it.

I'm trying to unify town, not start wagons again that were already rejected.

[Titus]

I'm trying to unify town, not start wagons again that were already rejected.

Then bug him about it tomorrow at the earliest? I don't really see the point in forcing a claim out of someone who's not a scumread.

He is a scumread.

@mhsmith, Vote Ram?

[Titus]

He is a scumread.

@mhsmith, Vote Ram?

Can you bottom line the case on him? Don't need a wall, but a link to where it was spelled out or a couple sentences would help.

He hasn't scumhunted at all, or if you're feeling charitable, hasn't scumhunted since pressuring me about my masonizer claim, but has a beetlejuice syndrome.

[Titus]

@Cerb

Convince me PV is Town. Could do PV or Not Fury. (Not Fury for agreeing too much with me. Doesn't sit right along with the claim cop a million times)

Math seems particularly locked on lynching these two when so many scum are in play and they were wrong before.

[Titus]

VOTE: ramicus

Fine, let's get this done. Or a lynch done.

[Titus]

@smith/Titus: Let me ask you two.. what makes Ram scummier than ZZZX or Socrates? What have they done (or haven't done) that he didn't (or did)?

The resistance to conftown for me. Socrates as scum (well the only place I have seen him), he was actually more active than this. I didn't like his outward hostility to me early.

[Titus]

Names specifically please.

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Flagrant Lurker/inactive slots (<50 posts)

Majiffy

Drixx (35 posts)

Carnelian

* Whemestar (39 posts)
ZZZX (21 posts)
Shiro* (10 posts)

Tarkus

Aristophanes (31 posts)

GinghamDog

Hiraki (46 posts)

Lurker/inactive slots (<100 posts)
Almost50 (58)
Socrates (54)
Master Vampire (Nosferatu+BTD6_Maker) (57)
Ramcius (69)
Randomidget (61)
RachMarie (71)
PeregrineV (82)
davesaz (59) (has some kind of PR)

I think that's the whole list?

Damn I have the lowest post count, that is actually new for me. Never been in that position before.

You know what would be awesome for me. My ex hydra partner suggesting a gunsmith check, considering we can infer a gunsmith is in the game. Cookie Bakers was awesome.

@Cerb, did you miss my reply about Math's short pool?

[Titus]

When considering if Gamma is scum, ignore all concepts of meta/what you've seen before.

Two kills is far too low for a multiball + neutral setup. Like honestly, this is silly. Two kills. Fuck other reasons for finding him scummy, why were there two kills?

2 kills = 2 factional kills. So we either have an arson or we have an SK who dayvig'd and can't night kill because of that. He also said he had unlimited shots. Dayvig with unlimited night shots? Yea bullshit. He's SK.

PV is also scum though, so it's like which is scummier at the moment.

If you don't leash gamma, he'll stabby stabby me tonight and say "he was gonna be a problem endgame hurrrrr." And the rest of you, being incompetent, will believe him.

Holy shit this guy is a piece of work.
What's your read on Titus?

Read the next posts. *grumbles*

[Titus]

Nope, didn't miss it, just did it have time to look at those slots and decide if that pool made sense. I'm not fond of NF myself, and think we'd be better off with her slot gone. The thing that lings me about that particular pool without any in depth thought put onto it is the lack of originality. Tywin had moderate pressure placed on him today, and NF had fhe same both yesterday and today. I have a certain expectation that town!math is capable of finding new scumspects and digging deeper when there's more to find. Whether or not this observation has merit depends on who initiated the pressure on those slots. If it was math, or math was a major driver, I'm more inclined to think it's simply devotion to pet reads. If someone else pushed it, it looks more like piggybacking on am existing sentiment.

You're not bothered by Math having only two lynchable slots in a game this size. I am not questioning whether Math's belief is genuine, but whether Math is hunting for two teams.

[Titus]

@smith/Titus: Let me ask you two.. what makes Ram scummier than ZZZX or Socrates? What have they done (or haven't done) that he didn't (or did)?

The resistance to conftown for me. Socrates as scum (well the only place I have seen him), he was actually more active than this. I didn't like his outward hostility to me early.

Has Ramcius still been a stick in the mud regarding your conftown status?

Yes.

[Titus]

well Titus there is a problem with me not having read much of the game other than some current stuff. On a whim though I would check you because I honestly felt a little uncomfortable with how quickloy you put me in no lynch list, plus I like to be certain about people I am bad at not townreading.

Maybe Hirako(I think I spelled that righht ? 9S avatar person Nier automata is love btw <3) I dunno his interaction with gork felt kinda weird.

Eh I dont got anything else. Pretty lukewarm stuf.

Legit, you just missed it, I was curious why you hadn't commented on it but it seems you just plainly missed it.

What felt wuerd between him and Gork?

[Titus]

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

[Titus]

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

Is it because he isn't treating you as conf!town?

what is proper treating Titus as a conftown?

No. Rather it's the only read he has pushed and that was d1. I've commented that it's ok for me not to be conftown with Dave, but static reads are not cool.

I will post my own reads within 24 hours. In 48 hours from this post,

if no organic wagon emerges organically

, I will look through everyone's reads and pick someone according to Wisdom of the Crowds theory. Then, people will need to get on that person or pick some and cite evidence they are a common scumread.

[Titus]

I hate this game

VOTE: Soc

VOTE: Socrates

I am sorry. Anything I can do? I do have a protown idea, just hang in for today.

[Titus]

why are Gamma and i townreads?

Your votes on sly

But I switched off Sly to vote Tywin
What do you think now?

If you were on slys team to switch to Tywin, you wouldn't of shot Nero. So your not on Slys team, and your a dayvig. So I think you can be town

This is questionable. Since dayvigs are so common as town, they are a very good role to include in setups as scum to prevent mass claim breaks. You are basing that conclusion on

really

thin ice.

Dayvigs were common scum roles. Mods sometimes use them in lieu of Strongman particularly when I was a newbie. Anytime vig has also existed before.

[Titus]

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

Is it because he isn't treating you as conf!town?

what is proper treating Titus as a conftown?

No. Rather it's the only read he has pushed and that was d1. I've commented that it's ok for me not to be conftown with Dave, but static reads are not cool.

I will post my own reads within 24 hours. In 48 hours from this post,

if no organic wagon emerges organically

, I will look through everyone's reads and pick someone according to Wisdom of the Crowds theory. Then, people will need to get on that person or pick some and cite evidence they are a common scumread.

considering scumread on you wasn't much of a read, i call your case just a bias for whatever reason

my scumread on Tywin wasn't a proper read? my scumread on Dave isn't either?

I can't find you pushing them anywhere recently or anyone or doing anything to progress this game.

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Titus, are you just sheeping Maria even without any resoning to it?

Yes. There are no wagons going and you aren't in my high town reads. I don't see what Tywin sees in Odd Role but we were partners there so that could skew things.

[Titus]

Titus's short reads list expansion available on request

Please Control F my ISO for their name before asking for expansion on this list.

Cerebrus v666 - Frustrating, but probably town. Definitely not red. Not lynching today. (Control F keywords Cerb, Cerby)
mhsmith0 - Gives me the creeps when he posts. Does a lot of defending.
Shiro* - My gif boo. Very useful to our gunsmith. I'd love it if he stepped up to the plate more so. Gunsmith should seriously consider checking me or Hiraki or Gork because Shiro is good with observations.
Carnelian* Whemestar - Miller, Whemestar's latest posting has been relatively good.
DanelerH MariaR - Ein. Not lynching. Not sure I buy the VT claim.
Insomniacs (Narna+Mathblade) - Their play seems improved townlike but the insistance on a two person lynch pool is a little off. The time has come to gather on wagons. If the two person thing is AI, Math is unlikely to be red.
Davesaz - He visited the dead guy loudly and people stopped him from claiming. Doesn't make sense as his opposing scum faction would want that information as much as town. If Dave is scum (which I think he is), look for partners vocally shooting down his claim.
Not Chara - If smith flips scum, look at NC. Otherwise, I feel good about them.
Not Fury - Has townie moments (don't have the vig be a moron doesn't generally come from someone who has a known protective role and if Gamma is town, scum probably have one).
Majiffy Drixx - Needs to do more that's not me centric.
Almost50 - I like Gork;s comments on A50 but I would hope that Gork actually votes Ram rather than dividing the votes.
Master Vampire (Nosferatu+BTD6_Maker) - I felt good about him early but that feeling is starting to wane a bit. It'll hopefully pick up on future days.
Tywin Lannister - I have a hot and cold relationship with his recent posting. I go hmmmph going after scum reasonably and hard core, I agree with what he says... and then there are moments like... this post is utter garbage.
ZZZX - I'd like to see more. I'd do this lynch, but I wouldn't feel good about it.
Socrates - I'm just sheeping this from Tywin and MariaR to see how this turns out. I'm not seeing townie things from Socrates but he doesn't remind me of odd role. I wasn't town there though
Tarkus Aristophanes - Would lynch this. His posting recently has been bad but I keep forgetting about him. Not a good sign.
Kidamn Vaxkiller - I'm pretty firmly townreading this slot. Particularly when Math pushes on it for "lost of contentless words".
Gamma Emerald - Vig. Not lynching. Let's see who he shoots.
Nero Cain - Dead scum.
Rb - My other Valentine. Not wanting to lynch.
RachMarie - Feel town. Where'd she go though?
PeregrineV - I firmly TR this slot because of Gork.
Chairman doggo (Transcend + giga) - Dead obvtown.
Randomidget - Not a fan of the new avatar, but I like him.
Titus - Obvtown
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Trying to be nice to me.
Siblings Quarrel (Fro99er and Alisae) - My fayvorite valentine. I has sads.
Wall Gorkington - I'm working well with Gork. He feels townish. Could I be captured? Sure. Multiball. Don't think I am though.
GinghamDog Hiraki - Not liking his content. Ignoring his subout.
Scott and Ramona (Chickadee and LUV) - I've never finished a full game with Chickadee but my TRs don't have problems here.
Ramcious - Scum.
SlySly - Dead scum.

[Titus]

Not due to a lack of trying. You can jump onto a major wagon.

[Titus]

Tywin Lannister - I have a hot and cold relationship with his recent posting. I go hmmmph going after scum reasonably and hard core, I agree with what he says... and then there are moments like... this post is utter garbage.

exactly same i felt in timeshifted about Tywin, wouldn't do same mistake again

also, you complain about Gork voting A50 instead of me, but your vote on Soc?

Yup. I consider myself voting both and I'll put votes to move wagons accordingly.

VOTE: Ram

@Shiro, I went by memory. We can talk tomorrow.

[Titus]

Happy birthday Ram!

[Titus]

i don't refuse actually play game, i refuse play game in way i don't like. If you guys have problem with how i'm playing, you can PL me, but calling me scum, and then providing only argument - lurker, is weird, when there are plenty of other lurkers, but no one want tell why i'm scum over others

i believe the sentiment is more that youre posting a bunch
but youre not actually posting your thoughts as to who you think is scum
and why

hence making you a little bit worse than a lurker who might just not have time to get their head into the game.
if you want to counter that, start pushing something.

how that's different from me prod dodging and openly admitting i didn't read thread seriously after like page 70? That was, when Titus came gun blazing on me. Tbh, if game wouldn't be so slow, i wouldn't bothered reading it and responding

Look. I have been in the position you claim to be in. Yet, no wagon has massive support here. Casing someone doesn't hurt. Worst case, you're lynched and you've built a record that everyone knows was genuine. Best case, you rally people to that wagon and convince me you're town.

You could also work from memory and give a read wall like I did.

[Titus]

Honestly is getting to the point where I'm getting annoyed and I've been not yelly all game

Tell me what you want, what you really really want. (hugs)

Seriously, me too.

[Titus]

So PV or Dave are my recommended checks should such a checker be in the game.

I also think Titus isn't noticing how much ice cream I am eating either.

--Math

Yay for shitposts and being too lazy to find a GIF. And if Titus gets it she knows my third.

@Scott -- Wheme's posts read objectively bad. Like vengeful or jester and like he is trying to be scumread as much as possible. Will get some that pinged me.

@Socrates -- I only have minimal show knowledge but given enough time to research the show I can make almost any flavor loud and antitown. And in Harry Potter I was Lord Voldemort and VT. Stop this.

--Math

I'm a little bit of a dork. But I'll try to keep the freezer stocked.

[Titus]

ive died by n2 in every game ive been in as of late.
so.
consider me skeptical that im alive much longer.

Given my townblocks die frequently, an obscure healer targeting Gork makes sense. I get the paranoia.