Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Rautherdir]

Early day wagon, GO!
VOTE: Aronis

[Rautherdir]

Sorry, I haven't been able to really get on yet today. As for why I'm not posting in the dark thread, it's because reasons.

[Rautherdir]

Not exactly...
Is there anyone on the Light side who hasn't posted in the day QT yet?

[Rautherdir]

Sorry, I haven't been able to really get on yet today. As for why I'm not posting in the dark thread, it's because reasons.

And as for why your only post here is a bandwagon vote and this one?

It was either that or an RVS vote. Or I guess I could have just waited until I had more time to actually post.

Not exactly...
Is there anyone on the Light side who hasn't posted in the day QT yet?

Can you at least see it?

Yes I can see it.

[Rautherdir]

In my opinion he's pushing an easy target.

[Rautherdir]

Though it could just be a joke since we are in RVS I think.

p-edit
Maybe.

[Rautherdir]

totally pulling it out of my ass bae <3

but it sounds good right?

PLease don't fake meta
pleaaaaase don't

Sounds like something Scum Gamma would say.

I can confirm that Gamma was recently mislynched in a game due to someone faking meta on him, so he has a perfectly good reason to say that.

[Rautherdir]

You know if it actually works we're lynching you Vedith...

[Rautherdir]

You're in the dark Vedith. You shouldn't know what you're role is.

[Rautherdir]

... That's not what I was saying Titus.

[Rautherdir]

Town in the dark do not know what their role is, Scum do.

[Rautherdir]

It won't matter what alignment Eddie is. The fact that Vedith knew what his role was at all would seal his fate.

[Rautherdir]

While I'm pretty sure it was a fakeshot, Rauth has a point. We're VT over here.

You're VT?

In role madness where the rules pretty much explicitly say everyone has a role they can use in the light? That was a scum-claim.

[Rautherdir]

I don't know.
After reading the rules some more, the dayvig wouldn't trigger until dusk anyways. Not that it would trigger at all since, as I said, you are in the dark and everyone in the dark is essentially a Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon until they leave. Which also means I won't be pushing dramonic on that claim since I see where he is coming from.

[Rautherdir]

Mafia within the Dark may still use their nightkill and discuss with teammates, but no other powers are available to them.

Also, what do you think about this comment?

I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere that scum have day-talk. Not sure where though.

I don't know.
After reading the rules some more, the dayvig wouldn't trigger until dusk anyways. Not that it would trigger at all since, as I said, you are in the dark and everyone in the dark is essentially a Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon until they leave. Which also means I won't be pushing dramonic on that claim since I see where he is coming from.

I'm not VT and neither am I essentially a VT. How does that make you feel?

You are not a VT. I am almost certain no one in this game is. However, as long as you are in the dark you are essentially either a VT or Mafia Goon.

[Rautherdir]

Also, my shot ends the day, so CE you owe me one.

Nope. Your shot occurs at the end of the day. You must have misread.

This game will feature four phases:
The Day Phase works just like any other game. Players talk and may vote on who to lynch.
The Night Phase works just like any other game. The game thread will be locked (however, private topics will remain open), and players may privately submit any night action they are capable of performing.
The Dawn Phase (end of night) and the Dusk/Twilight Phase (end of day) will be transitionary phases: all relevant actions from the night/day phase trigger, and it is at this point they are resolved. These two phases will last only as long as necessary for all pertinent actions taking place within this phase to be resolved. (Namely, player transfers.)

Also, as to scum not knowing what their roles were:

Each scum player, unlike the town players, knows what power they possess even if they start on the dark side. (They simply can't use them while there.)

As for the daytalk thing, I was thinking about a different game. Nowhere in this game's rules does it say that scum have daytalk.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. And town don't.

VOTE: Vedith

So come clean or get lynched.

[Rautherdir]

I am essentially a VT right now. And as a VT I have:
- The power to talk in the dark and main thread during the day.
- The power to talk in the dark thread during the night.
- The ability to vote in the main thread for who to lynch during the day.

[Rautherdir]

Keep on reading and you'll find out...

[Rautherdir]

Keep reading. I figured it out later.

[Rautherdir]

585

[Rautherdir]

Gamma you're gonna be on a lonely island with that scum read :3

No I think he'll have Vedith and maybe dramonic/Titus depending on how their reads change based on this exchange.

[Rautherdir]

Oh. I took the context being as a response to him calling me a scumfuck. You know since that was the last post he had made before your post.

[Rautherdir]

Based on this VCA Rauthedir reads like Town newb, Aronis reads like lynchbait, Vedith always annoys me as Town, EddieFenix reads like a limp in vote after not providing more details like I asked. Titus and dramonic seem like scum partners.

Thinking Titus dramonic EddieFenix.

You can deduce all of that from a vote count???

I have to agree with texcat, where are you getting this from MathBlade? Could you explain that a bit better?

[Rautherdir]

Aelita, Bulbazak, and Fourtrouble:
Who do you currently think is the most scummy? I don't care if you don't have any good reasons, I really just want to know that you are participating.

[Rautherdir]

Aelita, Bulbazak, and Fourtrouble:
Who do you currently think is the most scummy? I don't care if you don't have any good reasons, I really just want to know that you are participating.

Are you even reading? I'm like the 5th highest poster.

I am. I just expect that a person with scum-reads will be voting somewhere. Honestly I just looked at the most recent votecount for who wasn't voting and forgot to check if any of those people were actually posting or not. And to be fair two of them aren't.

[Rautherdir]

@Mod, V/LA until Tuesday

<<< I'd say acknowledged but by the time I read/got this message, Tuesday had come and passed. Still, I will treat it appropriately in terms of prodding. >>>

[Rautherdir]

10 pages in. Only strong read is TB town.

Really? What's your read on me? Or Aronis? Or 79 CE?

[Rautherdir]

You'll really have to just read the thread and find out.

[Rautherdir]

<<< QuantumRadius replaces FourTrouble. >>>

heyo
imma go catch up on the thread later. anything that I should know before I start?

Aronis is scum.

Not everyone agrees with that statement.

[Rautherdir]

I know you don't. Quantum probably does.

[Rautherdir]

vote: vedith

imma park here

Do you no longer scum-read me?

[Rautherdir]

Guys we have a problem

I haven't shot anyone?

Bang.

Dayvig: Aronis

Suddenly you make sense.

[Rautherdir]

I don't have any meta with Titus (At least that I can remember. Feel free to correct me.) I have however played a game or two with ThinkBig. I don't remember if either were games with TB!scum though. I can check, but to reiterate, I have no idea what any of you are going on about.

Also, dramonic. Why are you voting with someone you last said was a scum-read.

[Rautherdir]

I don't have any meta with Titus (At least that I can remember. Feel free to correct me.) I have however played a game or two with ThinkBig. I don't remember if either were games with TB!scum though. I can check, but to reiterate, I have no idea what any of you are going on about.

Also, dramonic. Why are you voting with someone you last said was a scum-read.

You played with scum!TB in Pine's game

Yep. And technically Titus was in world.createNew(Utopia everHope); But I was already dead by that point I think.
And looking back TB was lurking in that game... But I can't confirm if ThinkBig posts a lot as town.

[Rautherdir]

Damn it we are not repeating 1900 or Gistou people. I have seen a shit ton of role claims and would rather everyone keep it in their pants/skirts. Seriously...the point of Mafia isn't mass claim. For the love of God stop claiming shit. I know you're probably all excited that oooooh I has shinies but please stop that. I am getting sick of everyone claiming things.

Like please...if you think you have to claim on day one and are not a miller and not ascetic please check yourself before you wreck yourself.

*cough* Or Jester *cough*

Also who is claiming?

p-edit: I knew why Titus was doing it. I don't know why dramonic is doing it.

[Rautherdir]

(I think he posted to the wrong game)

[Rautherdir]

That's why I use the notes app to type stuff up on my phone. At least I did back when I played mafia on mobile.

p-edit: Why did you quote that post?

p-edit2: Insight, mostly. Depends on the answer. Also depends on why dram is voting vedith.

[Rautherdir]

Second p-edit was to Alisae.

[Rautherdir]

... No, no it wasn't the second p-edit. I was asking Alisae why she quoted that post when saying me or texcat goes tomorrow.

[Rautherdir]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

...? Do you see people claiming left and right?

[Rautherdir]

... How would you even do that on a phone.

[Rautherdir]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

...? Do you see people claiming left and right?

Nope! I just hated your response

That wasn't my response.

[Rautherdir]

1145 was my response to Mathblade. 1147 was responding to Kelvin's 1146

[Rautherdir]

Oh you did mean this game. In that case I will just stop talking about this topic.

[Rautherdir]

Damn it we are not repeating 1900 or Gistou people. I have seen a shit ton of role claims and would rather everyone keep it in their pants/skirts. Seriously...the point of Mafia isn't mass claim. For the love of God stop claiming shit. I know you're probably all excited that oooooh I has shinies but please stop that. I am getting sick of everyone claiming things.

Like please...if you think you have to claim on day one and are not a miller and not ascetic please check yourself before you wreck yourself.

*cough* Or Jester *cough*

Also who is claiming?

p-edit: I knew why Titus was doing it. I don't know why dramonic is doing it.

Not helping scum out.

I know of at least 4. Stop it.

>Not Helping scum out.
>I know of at least 4.

Choose one. Also, pointing it out in the first place seems pretty counterintuitive. And I've seen town players fake-cclaimm/crumb to draw scum onto them. And I was once in a game as scum where my partner thought he fond a Cop crumb. It certainly seemed like one, but it actually wasn't meant as one.

-Kelvin (last one was me... again)

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Mathblade probably shouldn't have brought it up in the first place (except maybe in the guise of a general tip), but talking about it more is not going to help matters. Next person who brings this up gets my vote.

[Rautherdir]

To reiterate: If you feel like you need to crumb that you have a power-role: DON'T. I can already tell you that based on solely the rules, all of us are PRs of one sort or another (look at my ISO for my explanation earlier). Don't give scum clues on who is more powerful than another person.

[Rautherdir]

Hmm. Now that I think about it... Dark players don't know their full PRs (Well except mafia.) Therefore any claims by them are either guess-work because of what they do know or from mafia. What I said was for in-general, but now that I am thinking about the rules for this specific game... Mathblade if there were any egregious cases of claiming from a dark player then bringing those up might help us catch mafia. Otherwise there isn't really much more to discuss. I'll leave it open as to any individual case of a dark player claiming whether you bring it up or not, that way scum don't get a solid count.

[Rautherdir]

Should have done this two days ago but

V/LA from the 26th until the 1st

Will not have any Internet access from tomorrow until then.

<<< Noted. >>>

[Rautherdir]

it's plurality

meaning whichever wagon is highest at deadline is the lynch

it's impossible to no lynch

... Well I just got back and finished reading.
Thanks for telling me what my role is Aronis! That was really nice of you. One problem: I didn't get "Town Mason". Or "Town Neighbor". I got "Town Linked". So maybe you were guessing at the exact role, but I didn't get told who I was linked with either. So the fact that you knew... well... doesn't bode well for you.
VOTE: Aronis

[Rautherdir]

... Forgot I quoted that. I was going to say that it is very much possible to no lynch here.

[Rautherdir]

it's plurality

meaning whichever wagon is highest at deadline is the lynch

it's impossible to no lynch

I'm not PLing Snarky.

I actually got a reason to scumread Snarky.

Why not vote Aronis?

[Rautherdir]

?
I think q+ is broken.

[Rautherdir]

Aronis claimed Masons with me. I can confirm that my role fragment supports this, but I was not told what my role was or who I was linked with. Since Aronis is in the dark, he would then have to be mafia in order to make that claim.

[Rautherdir]

So we avoid wagoning him?

?
I mean we should wait and see what his response is, I personally want to see how he explains that claim.

[Rautherdir]

Aronis claimed Masons with me. I can confirm that my role fragment supports this, but I was not told what my role was or who I was linked with. Since Aronis is in the dark, he would then have to be mafia in order to make that claim.

Mason can't be mafia.

Town in the dark don't know their full role. We are probably actually neighbors or something like that and he was attempting to town-slip in the process of claiming.

[Rautherdir]

wait a sec
you're both in the dark

how do you both not have the same thing

Mafia know their roles.

[Rautherdir]

I was just going to wait until after I got to the light side in order to find out exactly what my role is before softing. There were some things I said that could be taken as softing though, now that I look at my ISO. Specifically my 'No softs' post and then eventual backing off of Aronis could have been taken by Aronis as responding to a soft he did before that point (If he did soft before that point, I haven't checked myself.) Why claim Masons though?

[Rautherdir]

So now that we have that all squared away, Aronis and Rauth, has there been ANYTHING in (I'm assuming that you have one with this question) your neighborhood?.

I was not given a link to a neighborhood (other than the Dark PT)
I assume this was done on purpose.

[Rautherdir]

Well, he has a little over a day as of now to answer that question.

[Rautherdir]

I was just going to wait until after I got to the light side in order to find out exactly what my role is before softing. There were some things I said that could be taken as softing though, now that I look at my ISO. Specifically my 'No softs' post and then eventual backing off of Aronis could have been taken by Aronis as responding to a soft he did before that point (If he did soft before that point, I haven't checked myself.) Why claim Masons though?

[Rautherdir]

what's going on in the dark chat about this

Nothing as far as I can see.
As in nothing is going on in there at all.

[Rautherdir]

??
First,

@mastina

my V/LA notice is no longer necessary.
Second,

@everyone

Why is Snarky vote a thing? I mean every game that I've seen him lurking this bad he was scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman
Unless someone has a better idea. I believe Aronis for now, if at some point I get switched over to the light I can confirm the truth of this whole mess.

[Rautherdir]

We're running up against the deadline, which is why you are currently(?) the preferred lynch.

[Rautherdir]

So you know how I said earlier no lynching was still possible...
Would that be a good idea here?

[Rautherdir]

He said he was town linked and rauth thought that meant he was linked to him since rauth is also town linked. Then aronis said he was town investigative. This is a decent part of why aronis is scum.

Aronis never said he was linked. He said he was a town mason with me (which upon looking back was not meant to be taken seriously)

[Rautherdir]

why are we all clueless of the mechanics
after 3 weeks

Because some people are silly and don't read the mechanics posts for games they are in if they can't help it.

Also.
VOTE: No Lynch
If someone can convince me of a better option then go ahead, I'll be here for the rest of the day.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: Eddie
Forgot about that...

[Rautherdir]

Titus, I was starting to come around on you TBH. But I still hold true to my read. Again, this is fine for me. I'll take a death if it means rooting out scum. Bulb needs to be top priority at this point. If he is town, he'll avenge my falling by reading deeply into it and taking those who took a case against me to the hot coals. If scum, lynch him with fire. You DONT want him alive to run the scum team. He's a very calculating player in who and who not to lynch and he'll run the scum team to a perfect victory if he can get it. I feel that QR and Math are town. I had a post way back with other reads. A2 is someone to keep an eye on. Ved needs to be dead. 79 ce needs rope as well. There's way too much coincidence going on there and I live by the Gibbs rule 39. Add to the fact they floated along and come in and vote on my wagon at the end, faaaaam. Aronis, thanks for trying to start the town block. It didn't exactly stick, BUT, build on it. FKB, I get opportunistic scum vibes from you with how you've had no true reads this game. Dramonic, btd6, sorted into town by PoE. Texcat.... null for me. Did I miss Gin? If I did, town vibe via PoE.

@Bulb, have fun seeing my flip. I wanna see your face when it flips green.

You missed me...

[Rautherdir]

DrCirno, Creature, and Snarky are also missing. I'm not sure if there's anyone else missing, I think that's it though.

[Rautherdir]

I'm only just now realizing how big this game is... Well I know what I'm doing this night phase! Compiling a reads list. I recommend everyone else do so as well.

[Rautherdir]

Okay I'm going to be serious about this.

@Everyone:
I expect a reads list from everyone in your first post tomorrow.

I'll probably repeat this closer to the deadline so that everyone can see it if they check back in.

And then I realized we have neighborhoods. Can I get someone on the light side of things to promise that they will push people to develop reads in the light neighborhood during the night? Titus? That would help.

[Rautherdir]

I'm willing, how many votes do we need?

[Rautherdir]

I think we need 6 or 7 votes in order to get this to plurality

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: dramonic
Snarky is now the leading wagon if I am correct. Or he will be with one more shift off of Eddie

[Rautherdir]

Well. Talk about last-minute flash-wagons.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. I honestly don't know who is going to flip myself.

[Rautherdir]

Page 104:
SnarkySnowman - 3 (DrCirno, Rautherdir, Aronis)
Aronis - 4 (dramonic, texcat, Vedith, SnarkySnowman, Ginngie)
Eddie - 5 (79 CE, A2, Titus, Bulbazak, FKB)
Titus - 1 (EddieFenix)
dramonic - 2 (QR, SnarkySnowman)
texcat - 1 (Mathblade)

Not Voting - 2 (BTD6_maker, Creature)

End of Day:
SnarkySnowman - 2 (DrCirno, Aronis)
Aronis - 3 (dramonic, texcat, Vedith)
Eddie - 4 (79 CE, A2, Titus, Bulbazak, FKB)
dramonic - 6 (EddieFenix, Rautherdir, Creature, QuantumRadius, SnarkySnowman, Ginngie)
texcat - 1 (Mathblade)

Not Voting - 2 (BTD6_maker, Titus)

Counting all votes, and including the vc we were supposed to have on page 104. Shouldn't be any mistakes.

[Rautherdir]

Well, except Titus voting Eddie and not voting at the same time. At least I got the numbers right.

[Rautherdir]

And for the page 104 one Snarky is on there twice as well. I really do need to get better at this if I want to mod a game...

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: dramonic

Okay. Not sure why you needed to do that.

[Rautherdir]

...? And the thread lock?

[Rautherdir]

The point was to see who in the dark scumreads/townreads people in the light.
So please play along.
I know I promised a reads list but I need to adjust it now with new information that has come up.

[Rautherdir]

We won't have time to get to dramonic today. Just saying we have bigger fish caught for today.

[Rautherdir]

We want you to say which of those are townreads/scumreads.

p-edit: In a game like this especially.

[Rautherdir]

One of us has a rolecop guilty in the light. This is a fool's errand probably to say it too early. The result came back strongman.

We want to see who dark pushes in light before outing the guilty or who has it.

What I find hilarious

is that we out a guilty in the light

and the dark, votes for people in the dark

:^)

GUYS
We have a fucking ROLECOP GUILTY
VOTE: BTD
Ywall need to get your facts straight.

pedit: Um... Rolecops can go to town or scum.

There are roles exclusively given to scum. There are roles exclusively given to town (in non-bastard games.) Rolecops can confirm a person as scum in certain circumstances.

[Rautherdir]

Everyone in the dark. Give a list of who you think are town and scum in the following list:

Mathblade
Titus
Ginngie
Creature
QuantumRadius
BTD6_maker
Frosted Kelvin Bran

[Rautherdir]

We know the guilty was on someone in the light. There was also a slip that I wasn't the guilty.

[Rautherdir]

@Rauth: I think I was pretty clear in the Dark about wanting to reset and reevaluate a lot of those players. I did give Quantum as one of my strong townreads, and I think BTD6 might be scum, although that's not strong. Gin and Kelvin were both names I talked about during my analysis, although I think I need more there than just VCs, and I've been actively trying to get some feedback in the PT, but to no avail. Titus was a priority for me to sort today, so ask me later.

But you know all this, because I went over all this at length n1.

I know. My statements so far have been more to other people.

[Rautherdir]

Tell your other head to get in here.

Nancy is V/LA.
You should know this.

[Rautherdir]

Dramonic, your cooperation would help. Also, I seem to remember that you

did

provide an explanation for what you said:
By rolling dice and saying that the two people who got rolled (Which happened to be me and Snarky) were scum.

Bulba, on the other hand, had sufficiently explained the reasons for his town-reads in thread.

So forgive me when I say that yes, you are discrediting Bulbazak.

[Rautherdir]

I even asked him at one point to say who was town and who was scum on that list. He's not giving anything.

That's when he did the dice roll. But seriously dramonic, all we're asking for is your reads.

[Rautherdir]

I even asked him at one point to say who was town and who was scum on that list. He's not giving anything.

That's when he did the dice roll. But seriously dramonic, all we're asking for is your reads.

I gave a readlist like... 1 week ago.

Not in the main thread.

[Rautherdir]

"Rolling eyes is

not

a scum tell"

FTFY

[Rautherdir]

There is something called the Cali meet.
Which I am not going to be at by the way, so I have no excuse. Although I do have an important question to certain people: What is the case against BTD6? I want an actual case.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah I was going to bring that up as well. There has to be scum in the light. There is literally no sequence of events that could lead to this situation that doesn't involve scum being in the light.

[Rautherdir]

I agree a scum is highly likely > 96% but Mastina isn't required to tell us all the scum abilities.

I am not seeing where scum are explicitly denied factional abilities.

I am: Mafia within the Dark may still use their nightkill and discuss with teammates, but no other powers are available to them.

[Rautherdir]

Well let me start this off:

Mathblade: Not sure scum would have been that opposed to Titus's plan. Do not plan on lynching today.
Titus: I don't trust you. But I also don't know you well enough to say whether you would pull this move as scum or as town.
Ginngie: I don't plan on lynching you.
Creature: Not sure why you felt you needed to say you targeted Snarky.
QuantumRadius: I don't really understand other players scumreads on you. I do wish you participated more now that the whole fake rolecop guilty thing is over though.
BTD6_maker: I looked, and I can tell you don't post often in very many of your games. I'm not entirely sure what your posting record in this game is indicative of.
Frosted Kelvin Bran: The switch over here was WIFOM. I would rather not lynch you today.

[Rautherdir]

Actually, no. If BTD6 is telling the truth then we do not have a confirmed strongman in the light.

[Rautherdir]

Mass Roleblock. Also I was not in the light during the night phase, when we say confirmed scum in the light it means confirmed scum outside of me in the light.

[Rautherdir]

I would say it's more likely someone with a single-use factional ability to mass roleblock is in the light. They probably have an actual role as well.

[Rautherdir]

... Mass roleblock is an absurd suggestion, especially if you think itd be used to kill SNARKY of all people.

EDIT: That's a non-seqitur

I want to lynch you so badly right now. As Creature said, Snarky was a town cop. They would absolutely use it to prevent the 'doc protect cop gg' strategy.

[Rautherdir]

... Mass roleblock is an absurd suggestion, especially if you think itd be used to kill SNARKY of all people.

EDIT: That's a non-seqitur

I want to lynch you so badly right now. As Creature said, Snarky was a town cop. They would absolutely use it to prevent the 'doc protect cop gg' strategy.

OR
they could just use a normal, basic roleblock on the cop.
SHOCKER

I think you meant commute.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: dramonic

... Is what I would do but I have literally done this strategy myself as scum.

VOTE: Creature

[Rautherdir]

?

Or Math is Ascetic.

[Rautherdir]

Mastina, please modkill/force replace 79 CE for intentionally hydra-slipping AND not quoting it

I'll just note that hydra-slipping is not against the explicitly given rules.

[Rautherdir]

Oh hey there's activity in the game thread now.

[Rautherdir]

So just to clarify we aren't lynching RC today anyways since they are not in the light.

[Rautherdir]

So, RC: between Titus and BTD6 who do you want lynched?

[Rautherdir]

Like I'm not 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt certain and I won't be unless she's forced to actually talk with me about the game.

Her being evasive and threatening to policy lynch me for making 'noise' even though we literally just talked in postgame of 688 about how she needs to not attack people who disagree with her is sketchy af.

Hey, this is just terrible strawman.

I didn't say we'd policy lynch you. Nothing of what I said is a policy lynch. Your slot has been scummy shits today and magically shows up trying to save BTD, without calling him town. If you want to talk to me about the game, start from a place of honesty.

Like, what is your BTD read? I know you read.

I'm not so sure that you read now: 3444

[Rautherdir]

You're not getting lynched today Radiant. We're lynching in the light today because we know for sure that there is scum in the light.

[Rautherdir]

Why do you townread BTD6?

[Rautherdir]

Gin was talking about BTD6...

[Rautherdir]

I am going to have to support that statement.

Also, RC have you read the mechanics yet?

[Rautherdir]

And I will continue the demonstration with Jungle Oligarchy

In which he actually had reads. So yeah this is his town game. Unfortunately.

[Rautherdir]

I'm talking about BTD6, not Radiant. I'm not sure I can accurately call Radiant's alignment, even though I have had a few games with him.

[Rautherdir]

UNVOTE:

If BTD is town, then Math didn't go anywhere

BTD got a no result

[Rautherdir]

Optimal play for a bus driver is to switch the target kill with a lurker that won't be protected...

[Rautherdir]

That would confirm Gin and BTD6 as town. (or at least not the bus driver.)

[Rautherdir]

We want to lynch someone in light because we know strongman is here.

We probably do not have a strongman. We probably have a bus driver or something similar.

[Rautherdir]

So if that is the case and we do have a bus driver, then the following cannot be the Bus Driver:
Everyone in the dark right now
Myself (Because I was in the dark at the time night actions were made)
Ginngie (Because claimed jailkeeper, which makes sense because)
BTD6 (who was blocked because he was targeted by a jailkeeper.)

Those who could be the Bus Driver:
Mathblade (Who has been playing in a way I have come to consider town)
Titus (Who claimed protective)
Creature (Claimed 'something that would have effected Snarky's death')
QuantumRadius (Claimed had an action go through.)
Narna

[Rautherdir]

So if that is the case and we do have a bus driver, then the following cannot be the Bus Driver:
Everyone in the dark right now
Myself (Because I was in the dark at the time night actions were made)
Ginngie (Because claimed jailkeeper, which makes sense because)
BTD6 (who was blocked because he was targeted by a jailkeeper.)

Those who could be the Bus Driver:
Mathblade (Who has been playing in a way I have come to consider town)
Titus (Who claimed protective)
Creature (Claimed 'something that would have effected Snarky's death')
QuantumRadius (Claimed had an action go through.)
Narna

Yuck

What exactly is your problem with that list?

[Rautherdir]

The only thing I agree with that statement is the dark players cannot be bus driver/strongman

BTD6 cannot be the bus driver if he was the one switched. Bus Drivers should not be able to target themselves for a very good reason related to Action Resolution.

[Rautherdir]

Okay, here is the lynch pool as it stands now:
Mathblade
Titus
Ginngie
Creature
QuantumRadius
Nosferatu

Everyone tell me one person who they think should be removed from that list, and why. If possible continue this format so that all the thoughts are in the same place when we finish.

Rautherdir: I think Ginngie should be removed from that list because I don't see mafia bringing up the protection thing.

[Rautherdir]

Remove me

Why?

[Rautherdir]

I removed BTD6 because I am assuming they were roleblocked, which prevents them from being the bus driver.

p-edit: true, but if we remove the lynch-in-light requirement there are a few other people I would rather lynch.

[Rautherdir]

Okay, here is the lynch pool as it stands now:
Mathblade
Titus
Ginngie
Creature
QuantumRadius
Nosferatu

Everyone tell me one person who they think should be removed from that list, and why. If possible continue this format so that all the thoughts are in the same place when we finish.

Rautherdir: I think Ginngie should be removed from that list because I don't see mafia bringing up the protection thing.

Remove the protect claims for now. I think we can reasonably PoE from the rest. That should leave {Math, Quantum, Nos}.

I removed BTD6 because I am assuming they were roleblocked, which prevents them from being the bus driver.

That's assuming you believe the roleblock claim to be accurate. If you think he's scum, then it's probably just a lie.

True.

Is everyone fine with the following:

Lynch pool

BTD6,
Math,
Quantum,
Nos

As we get closer to deadline we can keep narrowing this thing down. For now any comments/questions about the lynch pool?

[Rautherdir]

Sorry everyone my internet got shut down because of a power-outage. But I'm back now so let me read up on what's happened.

[Rautherdir]

Rauth, I'd like to hear about your reads and how they've progressed over the course of the game, not just about those in the Light PT; your play today seems to have revolved around Titus' gambit and BTD's result and I'd like to hear what you have to say about some of the content that's been produced today from a non-mechanical perspective in particular.

Sure. These are pretty basic at the moment, sorry.

1. Mathblade - You're posting is not as impressive as it used to be.
2. Aronis - I don't like your slot very much
3. 79 CE - You're looking a lot more town then you were yesterday.
4. Titus - I believe your claim. Thing is, your claim doesn't mean you are town...
5. Vedith - Why is this your standard style of play?
6. A2 - I get the feeling you're town.
7. Ginngie - I believe your claim as well.
8. Bulbazak - I think you are town. You're trying to keep everyone focused which helps.
10. Creature - Your claim was the most suspect but I still think you're town for now.
11. RadiantCowbells - Replacing out is NAI
12. QuantumRadius - I have reason to suspect what you are and my current thoughts are that your role makes you town.
13. Rautherdir - Yay Slot 13.
14. BTD6_maker - As I've said before it's BTD's town meta. That and the claim makes sense.
15. Nosferatu - I'd like to believe you are town.
16. texcat - Are you even in this game? Because your posting habits are honestly almost as bad as BTD6
18. dramonic - Scum. Nothing more to say about this.

VOTE: Titus Technically speaking, a bus driver would normally prevent a kill, even if it was a strongman doing the kill. So you could actually claim correctly here and yet still be responsible for the kill.

[Rautherdir]

... Forgot I quoted that. I was going to say that it is very much possible to no lynch here.

i mean only if no one votes the whole phase

Nope. You can vote for a no lynch.

[Rautherdir]

He's basically scum for those active listening. He's scum w Dram. Will explain later.

And who else do you think is scum?

[Rautherdir]

how do we know that though?

3 claimed protectives on the day 1 night kill.

[Rautherdir]

Snarky was nightkilled. Titus, Ginn and I have info of the possibility of a strongman. Strongman must be in the light to be able to use its power.

Or a Bus Driver switched BTD6 and Snarky around. Because BTD6 claimed roleblocked.

[Rautherdir]

which still implies light scum.

cool.

the formatting of the way my role resolved n1 makes me think busdrivers are unlikely unless this game is bastard, which, granted i dont know.

... You were in the dark when night 1 actions were resolved.

[Rautherdir]

UGH. I'm back.
Somehow Titus got pushed up to L-2 while I was gone.

Also:

Oh I missed Dram's vote. I'm dumb. There's only one scum.

And yet I'm voting you as well...

[Rautherdir]

UGH. I'm back.
Somehow Titus got pushed up to L-2 while I was gone.

Also:

Oh I missed Dram's vote. I'm dumb. There's only one scum.

And yet I'm voting you as well...

Hey, listen to the tone here. This is screaming Rauth knows I am town here. He doesn't seem happy I am at L minus 2.

I was going to keep talking about this...

I've had time to think about this game while I've been gone.
VOTE: dramonic
I don't care if he's not in the light. I am voting scum and that's all I care about right now.

[Rautherdir]

We've enforced an arbitrary rule to not lynch in the dark today and that rule has led to this game growing increasingly toxic. So before it gets to a point where the mod has to intervene, I'm going to just say no to this arbitrary rule. Besides, Ginngie can probably switch to the roleblocking style of playing jailkeeper and hit what she thinks is scum and move from there.

[Rautherdir]

How many times has that happened?
Seriously look at the timestamps of the above two posts.

[Rautherdir]

They'll have three to go through and we can confirm roles in the process.

[Rautherdir]

@Rauth

Sure. These are pretty basic at the moment, sorry.

Most of these aren't reads and I'd specifically like you to walk me through your progression; talk to me about how you arrived at each read, talk to me in as much detail as you're able to about what precisely your read is on their alignment. I'm not asking you to write an essay, but what you've written here is not even close to enough. I struggle to believe that you could have done so little sorting over 170 pages if you're town here; I need you to give me actual reads and show me your work, please.

You say this and then I bring up the fact that I'm worn out by this game. Not enough to replace out, a night and another flip would give me enough time to seriously reread.

[Rautherdir]

UGH. I'm back.
Somehow Titus got pushed up to L-2 while I was gone.

Also:

Oh I missed Dram's vote. I'm dumb. There's only one scum.

And yet I'm voting you as well...

Hey, listen to the tone here. This is screaming Rauth knows I am town here. He doesn't seem happy I am at L minus 2.

I was going to keep talking about this...

I've had time to think about this game while I've been gone.
VOTE: dramonic
I don't care if he's not in the light. I am voting scum and that's all I care about right now.

But you're not voting scum
Good try though

How about you explain why and I'll move my vote.

p-edit: Ginngie you can still roleblock.

[Rautherdir]

What reads do you want me to talk about right now?

[Rautherdir]

Creature I'm not really concerned about quality of scumhunting from Rauther; I'm interested in seeing that he has done the work to get the kind of reads I know he's capable of getting as town.

Yeah, I know I can do better. It helps if I keep a document with everyone's names and my notes in it from the start of the game. Which I didn't do for this game for some reason. I'm playing some music and looking at ISOs now though, I'll do light first and then dark.

[Rautherdir]

Halfway through my reads list I realized a couple of things that have forced me to reset.

So... UNVOTE:

It could take me a day or two to go through everything again. I realized I didn't have enough scum-reads and too many hard-town reads.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: BTD6

But so far I have to agree that this slot needs lynched, if only for having lurked through the entire game.

p-edit: I thought Titus was voting BTD6?

[Rautherdir]

Titus is voting a scum-read. Your argument does not apply. End of story.

[Rautherdir]

Titus is voting a scum-read. Your argument does not apply. End of story.

That's not how that works.

That's exactly how it works. You say she isn't voting a scum-read, but she is. She's not voting the person you want her to vote, but that's the point, isn't it.

[Rautherdir]

Why would they kill when they can just send you into the dark thread?

[Rautherdir]

I guess it should be noted that BTD6 is at L-1, if I counted correctly.

[Rautherdir]

Good game everyone!