Night Clan - [Game Over]

[Joey_]

Hi

[Joey_]

Im slightly irritated by the amount of people with a k as the fisrt letter, i will be naming any of those by their last nane if they have one and i suggest others do the same

[Joey_]

Ah, I just realized they're hiders, not commuters.

It may be a bad idea to realize these things in public.

Just saying

Why

[Joey_]

????
So you think that i dont think LLD is scum yet voted her anyway and so im saying that i dont care about LLD's vote because she's scum voting me, while i obviously think she's scum otherwise i wouldn't be voting her nor engaging with her?

Wtf are those assumptions

[Joey_]

@utsugi have been really occupied since the game took a whole week to start and everytime i went into the thread to read something it felt like i was in the middle of a convo so i didnt bother to answer/read thoroughly until now

[Joey_]

Oh I also think if one of kaede/lld flips red the other wont

Why

[Joey_]

LLDD and cab are fairly obvious town ftr

[Joey_]

ash's town too

kaede is a gimmick alt and theres no fucking way that i intend to waste my time trying to tone read someone that isnt playing in a "genuine" manner aka theater. I dont know the extend of his/her roleplay but the tone is off like all the rps

[Joey_]

Why

If she's scum, it doesnt matter if she's town, scum now knows someone that isn't a daughter.
Didn't really wanna say that I thought it'd be obvious, but eh, scum probably realized the same thing I did.

So, you are telling me that its a bad idea the out publicly that you didnt know the hiding mechanics thoroughly because it could tip off mefias that hes soft claiming blue, correct?

[Joey_]

kaede is a gimmick alt

Mmm, not entirely, but that's okay; Kaede is readable the longer the game goes on. Assured.

You realize that LLDD is literal textbook town, i havent read last 3 page but your push shouldve ended sooner

[Joey_]

Ah, I just realized they're hiders, not commuters.

It may be a bad idea to realize these things in public.

Just saying

Why

Like the thought process of Kaeda ->

"Oh, someone who is allegedly a townies just soft claimed non-daughter. Maybe i should search my folder full of anime stock image so i can make a flavorful post about something that i dont want scum to notice"

Seems a bit incoherent but yet, i wouldnt be surprised because its the kind of stuff rps do. The motivation and incoherence behind his/her post might be better explained by his Outside Game motivation to just playing correctly and/or a flavor character.

[Joey_]

Oh I also think if one of kaede/lld flips red the other wont

Why

the lld post about baiting just feels like such a weird thing to say if youre on a scumteam with someone "haha you fell into my trap you scummy scumfuck who scums!" nah I dont think that reads as scum/scum

LLDD and cab are fairly obvious town ftr

cabd yeah lld nah

I cba to push it because Im still trying to put words to it myself.

pedit-

agreeing with cabd re:kaede

In addendum to the first half of 240-

People who have played longer are usually more aware of naturally thinking their partners look scummy and then avoid it so them coming out of the gate going for each other is kinda meh, usually theyll be a bit more reserved than that

The non-team tell you just outed isnt wrong in itself, but its weak af i hope you realize. Also scum play is inherently anti-meta to be successful so yea

[Joey_]

Why

If she's scum, it doesnt matter if she's town, scum now knows someone that isn't a daughter.
Didn't really wanna say that I thought it'd be obvious, but eh, scum probably realized the same thing I did.

So, you are telling me that its a bad idea the out publicly that you didnt know the hiding mechanics thoroughly because it could tip off mefias that hes soft claiming blue, correct?

Because if you're a daughter you'd know you're a hider and not a commuter, seems like something obvious but i guess it wasnt maybe I shouldn't have said anything.

I am aware, im not sure in which world you where to believe that i wasnt. My post was just to clarify to me what your thought process was behind a seemingly scummy post, but its fine when explained

[Joey_]

If it was strong I would be pushing it rather than lofting it out there

True but again whats the purpose to just out weak unexplained reads?

[Joey_]

If it was strong I would be pushing it rather than lofting it out there

True but again whats the purpose to just out weak unexplained reads?

To get others opinions on them and then get your opinions on their opinions

Its kinda the point of the game

True.. but how do you expect to get valuable opinions on unexplained stuff, anyway

[Joey_]

Also I've not bothered to track down which alt is which so no idea who you are till I get to a PC and check if your public

It is my new main
you know me as MariaR friend

youre fucking kidding me girl lmao, why didnt you say hi

[Joey_]

ash's already in my pokeb..ehh pocket

[Joey_]

VOTE: Vax
Got nothing better to do with my vote so sure.

Can you walk me thought your LLDD early on push/fos in a few sentences and what happened to that read since then?

I have content on your slot that points both ways so i need that little extra help

[Joey_]

VOTE: Vax
Got nothing better to do with my vote so sure.

Can you walk me thought your LLDD early on push/fos in a few sentences and what happened to that read since then?

I have content on your slot that points both ways so i need that little extra help

Red changed my mind.
Anything else is as I said, unless you need me to elaborate on something.

i read that but somehow i mustve been distracted because i didnt value the exchange as much as i am in a reread

[Joey_]

3a) Did someone target them? If they didn't die, they're not a hider
3b) Did someone target their nightkill? If they didn;t die, they're not a hider.

I thought everyone except the daughters is a double voter for a specific pregame day?

I think this is a town slip.

Yes but dont be idiotic when pointing townslips

[Joey_]

I would not be surprised if LLD claims daughter. They are not acting like a daughter tho.

Can you shut the fuck up

[Joey_]

Like honesty, this is pissing me off

[Joey_]

There isnt a single fucking reason to out daughters reads when the target isnt even NEAR being in danger or pushed on. All it does it to gives hint to the mefias. Stop bieng an anti fucking town twat

[Joey_]

I was being sort of facetious about vaxkiller, though I maintain more likely scum than chance, but LLD is actual scum (and no, it has nothing to do with the "3 scum" thing).

Fairly high probability. Over 50%, which is more than good enough for Day 1, and frankly any claim of non-daughter deserves rope.

Explain yourself

[Joey_]

Btw i share mostly utsugi's read on vax

I think the was is posting awful but his tone is sincerely on point and looks town. His only objectively wierd/scummy post is the last and like, he just seems like an egocentric kiddie who took something the wrong way. Could be mefias but it would be a really silly mefia play to 'react' this badly just to enable a push/fos on ash, idk

[Joey_]

vax is town joey is town
red is eh
Kaede I will sort in time
VOTE: Utsugi

hi, is gerry one of the danganrompa char

[Joey_]

vax is town joey is town
red is eh
Kaede I will sort in time
VOTE: Utsugi

hi, is gerry one of the danganrompa char

Don't think so friend how's you ^^

Im great, btw i think i know what is my tell that you have been using to sort me

[Joey_]

gurl fite

[Joey_]

Town circle -> ash, lld and vax

Anime detective if you ignore me ima rope you

[Joey_]

You saving your vote to doublevote an L-2 in?

I can't let this post go without a vote.

I'm not letting anyone refuse to use their vote only to surprise hammer in this D1. I've been keeping tabs on those that haven't. Out of them, Joey is the most active and should have voted by now.

@ash Honesty not even but that wouldnt be out of character

@concerning your 2nd post:
On which basis do you determine that i should have voted yet? Did you ask me why i didnt or do you just arbitrary believe that not voting for an active player is odd and/or scummy. If you are curious about my behavior you can just ask

@anime character who voted ash : i actually believe his comment about me using a double-vote tactic betray his town pov, can you tell me why you think its scummy

[Joey_]

If you are curious about my behavior you can just ask

I did ask. I mainly wanted to know about the doublevote thing and get you to acknowledge it. I don't mind about other reasons tbh.

You asked about the double vote, you disnt ask about me keeping my votes

[Joey_]

Yeah, I'm not particularly curious about that. Do you want to say why or something?

If it doesnt bother you, why would you make a comment about me not voting enough considering i am active?

[Joey_]

@anime character who voted ash : i actually believe his comment about me using a double-vote tactic betray his town pov, can you tell me why you think its scummy

I did in that post
Also you can call me Maki Maria or Claire Joey

Wasnt directed at you soz i forgot the char name

[Joey_]

Oki noted

[Joey_]

Can I get a show of hands for how many people are townreading kagami for typing code

im curious

Youre a good candidate for the town circle, consider your aplication in reviewing process

[Joey_]

I was being sort of facetious about vaxkiller, though I maintain more likely scum than chance, but LLD is actual scum (and no, it has nothing to do with the "3 scum" thing).

Fairly high probability. Over 50%, which is more than good enough for Day 1, and frankly any claim of non-daughter deserves rope.

Explain yourself

@anime detective : sorry i mixed you up

[Joey_]

VOTE: oma
VOTE: oma

[Joey_]

Town circle -> ash, lld and vax

Why?

Why what ? The circle is geometric form that im a using as a metaphore implying that people in the circle, are town.
If you want relevant answers than be explicit in your questions

[Joey_]

Town circle -> ash, lld and vax

Why?

Why what ? The circle is geometric form that im a using as a metaphore implying that people in the circle, are town.
If you want relevant answers than be explicit in your questions

Is it necessary for you to be so needlessly pedantic?

also not a metaphor

yes

[Joey_]

Yep, I think AD is too, to be fair.

I'm not expecting too much here until LLD decides she's claiming Daughter, and then we get to lynch her.

Scumteam lives mostly if not entirely lives in {Cabd, LLD, Yuki, Snarky, Vax, Joey, Kyoko, Kokichi}.

Thats an absurd scumpool, theres only 2 anime in there too

[Joey_]

The amount of mental gymnastics you mustve used to justify poe'ing like 8 people d1, most of which are not active at all or are being obscure/opaque

Can you walk me trough your reads a bit, also answer 317

[Joey_]

I cant help me feel like i shouldnt push you for that list and it annoys me

[Joey_]

I thought about it (and hopefully most people did) but I think a formalized set hypo-targeting plan for daughters is a good way to start this game for at least the first night.

The simplest is everyone targets the next available non-daughter below them on the playerlist. #1 targets #2 etc. (unless #1 and #2 are both daughters than #1 targets #3, number #2 targets #4, granted this would suck, but it's a necessary evil; all plans of this sort run into the same problem but we can vote on any arbitrary one possibly).

I think we should agree to this relatively quickly before Mafia get any sense of the flow of the game. Doing this now avoids crumbs and an awkward hypo-claim process later.
Simply quote
Yeah
Nay

to express approval. I don't want this to be a drawn out affair

I disagree because if mafia suspect someone is daughter they know who to target

I find the current plan objectionable

Time for the conversation to stop, I am going to present a solution we can all agree on shortly.

ok, interested in this

me? I never directed the hiders at anyone

I'll post later, for now I'll say sticking a preset plan for the daughters is a bad idea, no matter what formula is used

Kagami's s pool has like almost all the active player (but ash/utsugi/nos) but isnt including people like momota who well, did fuck all and i think its an undefendable stance to "townread" or "poe as town" this guy for 4 posts. Also the more im thinking about it, the less im feeling bad because if not including random non active people d1 is how you "would" soft your daughter buddies then you dun gooffed and its not on my shoulders

[Joey_]

Sure, what do you want from 317?

Why is LLDD actual scum over 50%

Can you roughly explain your poe process

[Joey_]

I actually hear you about the developped strat 14 min after her commuter post. Also like you said, 225 can be taken both ways. I dont want to be a dick but, you can only reject the idea of him being daugther if you are one yourself and i believe you understand that from a town pov non-daughter (majority of table) its not worth pusuing a scum or daugther read. I also personnaly think that lldd content is pretty good (in a town way, not qualitatively) so i dont think hes mefia.

Also there could be another explanation about 220 which is part of my read on lldd and i wont explain it because it would out my read on them and my role so

[Joey_]

I'm not going through townreads, though Kaito I have as "idk, prob town," Maki as "Prob Town", and Kaede, Hundu, Nos, boring, Kotoko as Town.

AD gets a special category since he'll be pretty clear when he starts existing.

Cause you know ad enough correct?

[Joey_]

Well im not 100% confident and i dont think you should be. 220 can be explained in others ways than scum/daugther

[Joey_]

Ita funny i thought ad was momota’s nicknam and that actiondan was a replacement mod lel

It explains the ad read but you said nothing about momota

[Joey_]

I misread 7 post for 1 post by actiondan in the posting overview inb4 ppl call me a liar

[Joey_]

So if i understand correctly, you didnt put him in your scumpool because of a weak read in one of his post

[Joey_]

Kokichi is in your s pool and is also being voted by your “t poe” nos, wanna put ur vote there? LLD is not happening today

[Joey_]

Where do you think the scumteam lives?

My day play is almost exclusively used to poe town and then go from there. When i find someone scummy, i push them but i dont have much of a scum team in mind. I think that most anime are scum fucks tho town or not

[Joey_]

My day 1 play*

[Joey_]

Ok, kokichi is a definite possibility.

But if i had to answe id say

Not in town circle -> LLD, vax, ash, utsugi
Likely some in -> cabd (i changed my read since recent lack of play and a reread)
-> claire (maki i think)
-> oma
And others but thoses 3 are my lowkey srs atm

[Joey_]

Yes, and cabd as scumo too

[Joey_]

Like i dont see how to read lldd’s posting as scum, hes just blatant town imo and consistently so

[Joey_]

Also lldd i pocketed you so please vote oma

[Joey_]

Shes*

[Joey_]

Dont you agree utsugi?

[Joey_]

Noted, wanna vote oma?

[Joey_]

The kitty wants me voted, but can barely explain why. How about you tell me why first?

Where did i attempt to explain my fos on you? Do you personnaly think that your play so far shouldnt warrant to be fosed?

[Joey_]

I never said that, I'm saying you aren't explaining. Tell me why I'm scum, if I'm scum, try and make me slip up. That is the point of this game. You should be putting pressure on your scumreads to get a read on them. So for me to correctly assess your scumread on me.

I dont need you to tell me whats the point of the game, my read on you is mainly bs votes that felt opportunistic and that you arent doing much, i just want people to actually do something and vote scumfucks

[Joey_]

I dont even know whos yuki

[Joey_]

Hi.

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I am /|\

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You prefer to vote there over oma? Like both are being terrible for town but yuki literraly did not alignement tell yet when i feel that oma did

[Joey_]

Uh thats quite a confident read, will check her meta once im home

[Joey_]

Yes but hes also scummy regardless of rp stuff. Hive vote on ash and someone else were terrible

[Joey_]

You know the guy?

[Joey_]

yuki's a lazy vote

[Joey_]

Oh crap claires town, hi gurl

[Joey_]

@dan dude your catch up post is a chore to follow, just name people along with the post # next time

[Joey_]

#243 way too much stock being put into this.

no obviously not, this is literraly how an anime rp thinks

[Joey_]

I don’t like any of #313-316 especially since #318 gives a reasonable read, making the former posts look like posturing.

Do you even know what posturing means

I have been reacting/posting as im reading

[Joey_]

#417 despite not particularly liking (to various degrees) any of Kokichi’s posts thus far, I really like this reaction.

417 is oma's scummiest post and vote

[Joey_]

LLD is scum
Hindu is scum

Yuki is a lurker.

VOTE: LLD

Nice one, scummy post with scummy conclusion, i will be chainsawing my 2 town buddies VOTE: actiondan

[Joey_]

I feel like actiondan's fos are as conherent as picking names from a hat. Not only is both Ash and LLDD individually OBVIOUSLY FUCKING TOWN, they both didnt team told into oblivion. Even if one of them is scum, thinking both are in the scum team is a joke

Also, could be style but, his catch up is obscure and i disagree with most of his stuff, its just a bs scum catchup. His early posts were scum!tryharding by posting about the setup, nothing unbelievable from a mefia

[Joey_]

Also, he implied numerous time that my posts were scummy ish, he made about 2-3 comments in his catch up post about my posts, slightly shading me each time.

But, theres a few instances where he never actually "aknowledge" his fos on my slot like, when he commented on utsugi's read list he mentionned a few names that he disagreed with but he didnt mention my name. His conclusion has also no townreads and 2 scumreads, still not being coherent with his shading of my posts and his conclusion of his catchup.

Like im not sure if im being clear, but if im doing a catchup and that i had a few post that pings me from someone, then i would probably comment on the slot like "Joey had some awful post, hes probably X" something like that. Thing his, he shaded me (and probably others but honestly i didnt read as much into his points about other people's post) yet his "fos" on me isnt consistent throughout his whole catchup.

He also singled pretty stupid post for most of his "points" but on LLDD and ash who he commented on various meaningful posts, which gives me the impression he was biased before his catchup aka biased into finding scummy stuff on some players

IDK, just a feeling, also tone wise i wanna rope him

[Joey_]

usually the implication of 2-3 comments exclusively throwing shade on someone is obvious enough.

I disagree, i think its shows a lack of coherence, be it because of your win con or just play, still shows lack of coherence also thanks

[Joey_]

and the above spate of posts is a clear example of why.

Are you saying the few comments you made on some of my posts "is a clear exemple why i am a scum candidate"?

[Joey_]

Oddly he remains off of your scumlist at the bottom of your post.

fucking thanks, thats whats i have been trying to say, its incoherent to shade 4-5 people and having a conclusion of 2 scumreads

[Joey_]

Hindu, could you explain 123/223 and the flaw that is being pointed out?

I've read those several times now and each time concluded that there are no actual words there.

No but i can call a blatant bleeding town when i see one

[Joey_]

Hindu, could you explain 123/223 and the flaw that is being pointed out?

I've read those several times now and each time concluded that there are no actual words there.

No but i can call a blatant bleeding town when i see one

i misquoted you kagami, i wanted to quote your question about me playing with LLD before

[Joey_]

Its mind boggling to me that someone could scumread lld honestly and ash who just recently towned it up even further

[Joey_]

@LLDD, ash : Can we make a meaningful push ? its quite close to deadline (few days)

[Joey_]

utsugi in there too

[Joey_]

Idk how to feel I like I tr every high poster and sr the lurkers

lets go claire, lets rope dan

[Joey_]

honestly its very unlikely that a single slot make such a dreadful post before the deadline and im very satisfied with my reads atm and its rarely the case in games so i dont mind lynching soon

[Joey_]

The point is not about the code. That's not why I brought it up. I want to go through with the code and worry about this D2. In fact, we can discuss if we should post N1 targets unthread tomorrow or not. We're getting sidetracked again. AD is scum. LLD had in depth thoughts that were the downsides to the plan. In AD's post, he dismisses this as "hot garbage" which it clearly wasn't for no reason and further says it's "really basic analysis".

Doing this confirms some people as non-daughters to mefias

[Joey_]

Like on average, if assuming that 2-4 people would out their night 1 target whos ends up being mefias, then the daughters pools is reduced from (17-(3 or 4 mefias)= 14-15 possible slot who can be daugters to -> 11-12 slot minus whatever kill they did that night

[Joey_]

Yes i am aware and its rarely hard to achieve a lynch, its just hard to coordinate with town to achieve a desirable lynch, in that regard using the last 2 days to do so is fine

So oma, what are your reads/stances, your reads on LLDD/Ash and what about actiondan ?

[Joey_]

All of Joey's posts are ridiculously over the top. I mean maybe he just has anger management issues but they didn't fit.

Read some of my past games if you scumread me for that

[Joey_]

idk about dan, the guy barely make sens honestly but i do share the feeling about being unsure of his alignement, i just feels that the guy's incoherent and its not because of his alignement or better say regardless of his alignement

[Joey_]

im thinking about my vote and im not really sure where to put it, if anything i dont really mind roping dan

[Joey_]

Metagaming wise, its absurd to lynch a slot that didnt alignement tell

[Joey_]

Itd be much more meaninful to go after slot that have some issues like dan, or some nulls-hard-to-read

[Joey_]

I think, and have thought this for some time while voting her, Yuki is an alt of Dunnstral.

She isn't. It's Yume.

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Guest List (Users who are in this game)

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Torque

beeboy
randomidget
boring
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moonbird

User2

davesaz
Titus
RadiantCowbells
MariaR

Priscila

mhsmith0
Cassandra
Dunnstral
Shiro

can i know whos titus/smith/shiro/beeboy it will help me

[Joey_]

rc too

[Joey_]

Honestly yall fucker using an alt every single game is a reason why its such a chore to play, no offense sonia i still love you

[Joey_]

omg did one anime just reaction image another anime reaction image

what the actual fuck did i sign up for

lmao, i cringed a bit

[Joey_]

with all that being said and the hilarity, nos's come off as a little tiny bit forced for the first time

[Joey_]

NOT VERBS

EVENTS ARE NOT VERBS

FUCK THEY'VE GOT ME TOO

How come you are this suprised if you are also a weeb

[Joey_]

@kaedea not sure if it was directed at me or oma (prob oma considering your vote) but my comment wasnt about the rebuttal thingy but the reaction

[Joey_]

Because he's scum faking this. Vote Nos.

Curious too that youre asking someone to vote nos yet you arent vote him in your next 2-3 posts

[Joey_]

Arent voting him* Next post* whatever but anyway

Sonia whats your reads, you said you had many townreads but who wanna rope?

[Joey_]

It's infuriating to have to deal with like 5 people who just want to fucking rp with gargantuan anime sprites to go with their shitty one-liner posts

this is 100% my sig after the game

[Joey_]

Wh-Why would you say something s-so m-mean...

fucking lold

[Joey_]

this game would be so much less annoying without the posting gimmicks muddling things

lol @claire

[Joey_]

now that i reacted to everything, i applaud the towncircle vote @utsugi

Yall should start seriously thinking about your last vote and if you really want to just coin flip a random lurker (yuki) who objectively non-alignement told or to vote someone to further pursue your assumed town agenda (scummy mefias, like dan)

choo choo

@claire/maki : i am summoning the power of the buddying and your vote on actiondan and/or propose a better alternative

[Joey_]

lol thats not why i tagged you, it was because of the internationnal scumbol

[Joey_]

who are all these people you keep naming

claire/sonia/mariar/maki

[Joey_]

Yall should start seriously thinking about your last vote and if you really want to just coin flip a random lurker (yuki) who objectively non-alignement told or to vote someone to further pursue your assumed town agenda (scummy mefias, like dan)

fwiw I still think yuki is scum but i dont like being on the wagon with kyoko

Is the reason you think shes scum over snarky here is because of her meta + that she posted in the game, correct?

[Joey_]

LLD is scum
Hindu is scum

Yuki is a lurker.

VOTE: LLD

Nice one, scummy post with scummy conclusion, i will be chainsawing my 2 town buddies VOTE: actiondan

Yeaaaaa, I'm not even reading the actual posts along with it yet but I can summarize my gut straight off. What I've just read is a lazy attempt by scum to get back into the game after they've sucessfully lurked. This guy is scum.

Unvote; Vote: actiondan

For one, 123 is not hot garbage. In fact, even though I agree with Kagami's plan, I think those are accurate concerns. It's apparent from that alone that LLD was one of the few people who not only understood the plan but

saw the flaws

of it. NOONE ELSE pointed out these flaws, not even myself, because we did not think of them. I was trying to argue on the point of the plan but I didn't respond to that because those are inherent flaws in it, plain and simple. That is hard shit to reason through without proper thought. In fact, I don't understand why anyone would bother attacking this unless they're just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. "really basic analysis (if you can call it that)" is a clear and easy way of trying to just make shit up, my dude.

#193 hmm, I like those reasons too but why is that a surprising answer? Seems like the obvious one based on Kaede’s posts. Maybe the 3 scum remark could have been auxiliary but it’s strange to think that would be the main one at that point. I don’t see how playstyle/personality factors into content. Your posts can be aggressive, tinged with various emotions, but they need not also contain bad logic, or translate into bad votes.

193 was clearly explained with what the answer was expected to be, hence surprising. Just because our expectations are different isn't anything to comment on - unless you're looking for reckless bullshit to pad a catch up post with. Playstyle/personality absolutely impact posting. Mafia is about people, we are not machines. Just because there isn't a "need" for things doesn't mean it's all going to be rainbows and sunshine. In fact, there's no point in explaining this either. It's obvious. There's not a damn reason to be having this discussion.

#199, oddly that is an explanation to explain the unvote.

Oddly he remains off of your scumlist at the bottom of your post.

223 again is just an explanation of what was previously said in 123. Cabd just asked LLD to explain. LLD explained. Yet you said this about 223

This is again general and again doesn’t touch on an ounce of kagami’s plan.

Nope. This is the exact flaw to Kagami's plan.

Again, not a damn reason to comment on 243 unless you're just looking through things to add to a post. The thought behind it is great. There's no reason to discredit what is being said.

You say 268 is terrible. Right. But we've already gone over it and it's not even on the table anymore. So why are you still worried so much about setup? Why aren't you trying to scumhunt? Don't say you're not reviewing what you write either. 281 and 307 are grouped on the same line with each other so you're clearly going over what you've written.

VoteCount 1.7

Yuki Takeya [2] - Kotoko Utsugi, Kyoko Kirigiri
Hinduragi [2] - Vaxkiller, ActionDan
Kokichi Oma [3] - Nosferatu, boring, Kaede Akamatsu
Kyoko Kirigiri [2] - Kaito Momota, Lady Lambdadelta
Nosferatu [2] - Maki Harukawa, Kokichi Oma
ActionDan [3] - Hinduragi, Joey_, Cabd

Not Voting [3]

- Yuki Takeya, SnarkySnowman, Kagami

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-01-17 12:00:00)

@ MOD : I voted actiondan first, when hes flips red i want all my cred thank you

[Joey_]

Yall should start seriously thinking about your last vote and if you really want to just coin flip a random lurker (yuki) who objectively non-alignement told or to vote someone to further pursue your assumed town agenda (scummy mefias, like dan)

fwiw I still think yuki is scum but i dont like being on the wagon with kyoko

Is the reason you think shes scum over snarky here is because of her meta + that she posted in the game, correct?

Its stil what I said before

i have no idea who that player is but her posts read like scum who doesnt know how to enter the game

Yes so partly based on her 2 posts, thats what i was asking

[Joey_]

As a preface to this post, I'll spoiler this, for hinduragi, but for the voyeurs out there have at it:

Alright, I'm going to step out of the game for a second and just say one thing because I was rageposting while writing that up.

Spoiler: Really this is just for AD but we all know you want to click it

I apologize for being rude in 713/714, AD. I've had a long day and I

really

despise walls and got pissed that there was another one as soon as I got time to read and post today. It's really irked me even moreso that you've been calling out anime images in them and I've wasted my time locating the post just to realize it has no relevance to anyone being scum/town and you're just commenting on it. Also, I still do think that's filler but I wouldn't necessarily say that makes it a bad wall. I'm honestly not having fun due to trying to read so much as well as respond to walls.

<3 AD, but I still think you're scum. Also, I'm not going to be linking god knows everything in a wall and quoting it all starting from this post; From the moment I sat down, it has taken me over 2 hours to form my response after first trying to understand what was linked and how that related to the second wall. It took me even longer to go through the first wall. I really can't keep up that kind of time commitment right now.

Spoiler:

Well keep in mind that the first wall was me catching up with (at the time) 20 pages of material, and the subsequent ones were because I felt obligated to respond to your own (rather large) wall in response. This post will probably be wall-y (edit: Definitely ) but I aim to post a bit more in bulk without as many quotes and condense what I can without losing too much context in the process. As far as rudeness is concerned I don't think you're even coming close to crossing any lines and I've been just as snarky myself. On my end I'll be more considerate. I appreciate your post, it's an overture I haven't experienced or even witnessed often, and you have my sincere gratitude for it.

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I think it's best to start with this

Actually, to get some substance out of this, AD. What's your scumread on me from? The reasons in your wall about me being scum are laughable at best.

As of now it's two parts. One part is that we seem to be living in two different realities, we're operating under two different sets of facts, and it leads me to question that you truly believe the one you describe when it is demonstratively false.

We have two completely and apparently irreconcilable interpretations of 123 and 223, which we've discussed plenty and I've dedicated an entire post to; even in the three lines you quoted and have presented at the top of 715, I again fail to see how you or anyone could have extracted the concern that she was referring to the problem of "scum failing their kill = knowledge gained of precisely one daughter" at any point in the quote. This concern is also unavoidable in any plan, and therefore a general concern. You chastise me that I ought to think LLD's posts through, but I assure you I have, many times, and I'm not crazy. Nor am I the only one that thinks so (I am explicitly referring to kagami here, the only other person that seems to have actually invested the time into reading those posts of LLD's and analyzing them). What I could potentially see, is that you think she's so town, for whatever reason, that you're assigning her credit for something not there, but I don't think you'd treat me in this way were that the case.

Separate from that I think the way you've treated the sequence of posts from 281 to 285 also falls under this category. Context:

My 281 clearly shows Kagami expects a daughter claim and is wanting a lynch. Feigning ignorance to that is ignoring what's right in front of you.

For the record, since there isn't context with this and while I'm looking over this abomination of a post.

Don’t see how Kagami’s 279 is scummy either. or how you think Kagami is daughter hunting.

I got scumread because AD doesn't see "how 279 is scummy or " how I "think Kagami is daughter hunting" in 281. There's no reasoning here. There's no basis. There's simply disagreement.

Noone else questioned this because it's pretty obvious the aim of the post is expecting a daughter claim in reply, which Kagami later clarified was the case

.

Well in 284 that would be Kagami questioning it and in 285 clarifying that was not the case. This is all within around 2 posts of yours too. Are you... feigning ignorance?

However, I don't think the other interpretation is scummy either, that is, to pursue a read that's essentially daughter or bust, which again, kagami wasn't actually doing.

284/285: Kagami was clearly not explaining she thought LLD claimed non-daughter prior to that. It's easy to think she was daughter hunting in 281 --> which was clearly posted before 284/285. Your questioning of that post is entirely off. Kagami responded to my post with those posts, not the other way around.

Broadly speaking, by the time I wrote 707 I had understood what 281 meant, that at that point you interpreted kagami to expect a daughter claim from LLD. I don't remember when exactly I realized that, it could have been as early as right after I wrote that in 642, but I should have mentioned that I understood your point of view in 707, so sorry for that. Still, the bolded sentence above is what I had an issue with when I replied specifically. That is just false, on the count of no one questioning your interpretation (In 284 Kagami asked if you were reading), and on the count of your interpretation being the correct one (In 285 Kagami is explicitly saying it is not); and that is what I was referring to in my reply in 707 which as far as I can tell you are acknowledging implicitly by what you said in 715. I also think your initial interpretation was not obvious at all and certainly wouldn't be the first I'd think of considering how blatantly LLD not-daughter-told early on page 5. Sure that's a disagreement, but your interpretation before being corrected was fodder to accuse kagami of being scummy and it is possible to willfully interpret things one way to smear her.

The "contradiction" in post 555 I made a reference to in would have been bundled here but if I stare hard enough I can see your point of view where the first "contribute" refers strictly to making posts in game whereas the second refers to making meaningful posts in game. The choice of words still rubs me the wrong way, but I can get over it.

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The other part is where the facts are the same, but we have quite different interpretations of them. In the interests of time and readability, I'll go other this more generally as it's not quite as context reliant.

I still find your 193 unnatural. Sure people jump on supposed scum slips here and there and from time to time but I can assure you there was 2 pages of content that exclusively contained posts from Kaede/Cabd/Nos/LLD that ended up with LLD and Kaede proclaiming and agreeing to a 1v1, so there was a good amount there to form a read. It's one thing to expect a reason of Kaede's scum read of LLD to be based on the "3 scum" language (that is indeed the ostensible reason for the original vote) but to expect it to be the main and only one considering the posts in-between is far-fetched.

In regards to Vax, there were fair criticisms to be made and you made them, but you threw basically everything you could at him too in 305 things like uselessness / trolling / daughter hunting and presented them as malicious scummy things when they weren't. I think it's scummy to paint someone as scummier than they have any right to be. In addition I felt the "'not to me'" assessment was both untrue and also hypocritical. I agree that his response was over the top, but as I said I discounted the emotion (well somewhat. I did think it was righteous) and rather gave him credit for reasoning against a couple of your points, and sticking to it over multiple posts. You ask me to compare that with Joey's posts, 313-316, and it's still really hard to see where that huge amount of anger that reaches fever pitch comes from over objectively benign posts. It's comparing apples and oranges.

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So that's where my scum read comes from. There's a bit more in your posts that you wanted me to address but I'm just say were you to flip town I'd reevaluate at a minimum my read of LLD. I still might reach the same conclusion but I'd I wouldn't rush headlong into "LLD is scum, gotta be"; I concede the point about blanket statements / I should have been more through in what I meant by that, as I was afterwards but I feel like I have to reiterate that 642 was catch up notes. Things are bound to be lost in translation.

ALL THAT said I agree with you that I have many doubts these posts actually get read, the evidence being I don't think I've seen any particular part of mine or your walls get referenced. Just general feelings one


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As for everyone else:

When I don't feel like super sleepy I'll have to read and evaluate the exchange between Nos/Oma/kyoto. Whatever that was seemed to spawn from out of the blue.

There's a subtle change in position from Joey over the course of these posts

idk about dan, the guy barely make sens honestly but i do share the feeling about being unsure of his alignement, i just feels that the guy's incoherent and its not because of his alignement or better say regardless of his alignement

@ MOD : I voted actiondan first, when hes flips red i want all my cred thank you

Which makes me think the first evaluation wasn't quite truthful.

Utsugi's voting reason is unnerving and suspect. The last time someone voted based on wagon composition D1 they were scum and with due reason. You should always be trying for something that you scum read if you have them, which Utsugi, and barring that, reread to try and make a reasonable comparison between similar reads of people. If you vote based on wagon comp you're essentially abdicating responsibility for your vote.
Maki is doing the same thing but as far as I can tell she doesn't have anything better available read wise. That's a bit hard to imagine but same advice applies.

I continue to wonder if Cabd will make an appearance.

Anyway I feel like I'm on the short end of a shit stick and it sucks.

Sleep now, probably consider future voting options later if the current trend continues

dude i didnt a single thing but your litteral first word of this post, if you thinks theres a world where you can save yourself from getting roped by making a case about ash you are delusionnal

[Joey_]

Also, he implied numerous time that my posts were scummy ish, he made about 2-3 comments in his catch up post about my posts, slightly shading me each time.

Can you point these out for me?

Honestly, no like, im theres a few post he commented on that were mine, namely my reaction to you outing your daughters reads and such, i dont want to reread his post just to answer to you sorry but you can do the work yourself

[Joey_]

Don't really think you're scum but I'm not gonna kick and scream over your lynch.

@dan i sincerely dont think ure gonna flip red, but youre a great flip for today considering 2-3 slots didnt show up, half town is null and i have like 5 hardcore townreads

[Joey_]

Its mind boggling to me that someone could scumread lld honestly and ash who just recently towned it up even further

So you were town reading them before they were towny?

No? I will try not to be pedantic but "further" implies that there was a level of towniness a priori. I townread ash all game basically, but his recent posting (as of that post) made me locktown him along with LLDD

[Joey_]

Kokichi would be my preferred "Decent to high chance of flipping town, but not going to bad sad about it" lynch.

Yes but at least hes not outing absurd reads

[Joey_]

Its an opportunity cost to not lynch action dan if hes town, not even kidding

[Joey_]

@FG: If Yuki doesn't pick up her prod/post by midnight, could we have a replacement and appropriate deadline extension?

Ad is fine, i dont want to stall the deadline where its so hard to get decent reads just to wait for one slot to read 30 pages and repeat mostly what has been said

[Joey_]

When I don't feel like super sleepy I'll have to read and evaluate the exchange between Nos/Oma/kyoto. Whatever that was seemed to spawn from out of the blue.

If I had to award anything, it would be slight town points to Nos and slight scum points to Oma, only because that exchange was perpetrated by Oma on a whim and I find it overzealous to vote Nos based on matching his antics.

Don't really think you're scum but I'm not gonna kick and scream over your lynch.

The only thing I was asking you to do and am asking now is to find a scum read and vote it. It can't be that hard. That's hardly kicking and screaming, that's just playing the game.

There's a lot wrong with 854. I've gone down the rabbit hole with Hinduragi and I've given my opinions on plenty of others too; if people don't read, analyze, and make conclusions from it that's on them not me. What does "His general Obscurity points more to scummy than towny." Does that have to do with my reads not being attuned to the general consensus? God forbid I have independent thoughts. Again with everyone's constant refrain of "I like the wagon composition". It truly makes me sick. The only difference here is that Boring provided reasons to go with it but to me it'd be better if those didn't exist at all.

Yuki is scum lurkaderping

I know I voted for the exact same reason boring did but I fee like boring did it because no one questioned mine

Allow me to continue to question yours again and again. You have a scum read that you aren't voting over a null read. Consolidation be damned.

Out of the 5 people currently voting me only

one

has an actual scum read on me. I don't really know where Cabd stands but I know it stands to reason he isn't reading closely since he voted me (in which despite claiming to proxy his vote to LLD hers wasn't yet on me).

At least for the Rompa Anime Avatars, think what you will, but they are at the least voting their stated scum reads. They are playing mafia. What I see above isn't it, and I can tell you it's frustrating to no end.

And to respond to Joey in particular you have no right to quote my wall and tell me I'm delusional about trying to push my scum read and not read it when, even were the fact that I understood that survival was on the line explicitly in that very post, pushing scum reads is correct play.

As well as the opportunity cost remark, like wow. You literally value anything I'd have to say less than a lurker lurking when you don't even think I'll flip scum.

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Kagami I don't know if Hindu would champion it. It's odd yes, I've thought that, that surely there'd be a better scum strategy and both of them would be start enough to know what that might be and how risky this one would be. I've tended to rationalize that that's WIFOM and try not to let that doubt cloud my judgement. I've been starting to waver a bit in regards to my scum read on LLD. Among other things I'm surprised she hasn't voted me yet. And I'm really spooked by the phenomenon that's occurring above.

So I'm going to vote Boring and see where the chips fall. I honestly could vote Cabd as well, since feels and reals together inform me that's where I'd feel a scum hides.

VOTE: Boring

For the record Hindu what are your thoughts on Kaito/Boring/Kokichi at the moment?

Thank you for AT LEAST trying to poke outside ash/lldd

[Joey_]

When I don't feel like super sleepy I'll have to read and evaluate the exchange between Nos/Oma/kyoto. Whatever that was seemed to spawn from out of the blue.

If I had to award anything, it would be slight town points to Nos and slight scum points to Oma, only because that exchange was perpetrated by Oma on a whim and I find it overzealous to vote Nos based on matching his antics.

Don't really think you're scum but I'm not gonna kick and scream over your lynch.

The only thing I was asking you to do and am asking now is to find a scum read and vote it. It can't be that hard. That's hardly kicking and screaming, that's just playing the game.

There's a lot wrong with 854. I've gone down the rabbit hole with Hinduragi and I've given my opinions on plenty of others too; if people don't read, analyze, and make conclusions from it that's on them not me. What does "His general Obscurity points more to scummy than towny." Does that have to do with my reads not being attuned to the general consensus? God forbid I have independent thoughts. Again with everyone's constant refrain of "I like the wagon composition". It truly makes me sick. The only difference here is that Boring provided reasons to go with it but to me it'd be better if those didn't exist at all.

Yuki is scum lurkaderping

I know I voted for the exact same reason boring did but I fee like boring did it because no one questioned mine

Allow me to continue to question yours again and again. You have a scum read that you aren't voting over a null read. Consolidation be damned.

Out of the 5 people currently voting me only

one

has an actual scum read on me. I don't really know where Cabd stands but I know it stands to reason he isn't reading closely since he voted me (in which despite claiming to proxy his vote to LLD hers wasn't yet on me).

At least for the Rompa Anime Avatars, think what you will, but they are at the least voting their stated scum reads. They are playing mafia. What I see above isn't it, and I can tell you it's frustrating to no end.

And to respond to Joey in particular you have no right to quote my wall and tell me I'm delusional about trying to push my scum read and not read it when, even were the fact that I understood that survival was on the line explicitly in that very post, pushing scum reads is correct play.

As well as the opportunity cost remark, like wow. You literally value anything I'd have to say less than a lurker lurking when you don't even think I'll flip scum.

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Kagami I don't know if Hindu would champion it. It's odd yes, I've thought that, that surely there'd be a better scum strategy and both of them would be start enough to know what that might be and how risky this one would be. I've tended to rationalize that that's WIFOM and try not to let that doubt cloud my judgement. I've been starting to waver a bit in regards to my scum read on LLD. Among other things I'm surprised she hasn't voted me yet. And I'm really spooked by the phenomenon that's occurring above.

So I'm going to vote Boring and see where the chips fall. I honestly could vote Cabd as well, since feels and reals together inform me that's where I'd feel a scum hides.

VOTE: Boring

For the record Hindu what are your thoughts on Kaito/Boring/Kokichi at the moment?

unronically thank you for at least trying to poke outside ash/lldd

[Joey_]

Nice double post

[Joey_]

And to respond to Joey in particular you have no right to quote my wall and tell me I'm delusional about trying to push my scum read and not read it when, even were the fact that I understood that survival was on the line explicitly in that very post, pushing scum reads is correct play.

If thats the case then you renounce the right to fucking of my vote to be of ever use to you, do you even get that? You can just make a case on obvious town as a healthy wagon CW to your own slot, it just makes me want to ignore you if anything

[Joey_]

renounce the right of my vote to be of ever use* anyway

[Joey_]

Okay since we have a deadline extension we can all chill out a bit and not hammer the boring/action dan wagons yet, i am unvoting so it doesnt get lynched by error or something in case double voters d1 and/or speed hammering

UNVOTE:

[Joey_]

About the deadline extension?

[Joey_]

About doublevoters.

Well its only relevevant in the scenario where multiple people would change their vote the vot eon the same person, this scenario is particularily true on deadline thus my unvote rn

[Joey_]

That was fast.
I've never been lynched as town. I'd appreciate it if y'all would find a new flash target, if it's all the same to you. I'll be back in 24 hours to do whatever needs doing.

I don't get claims that AD is being incoherent or out of left field.

If there's reason to be concerned about AD, it's that he's leaning heavily on arguments that are objectively correct.

I don't think he even has a single sentence that's objectively correct, let alone an entire argument.

Boring, why is cabd a townlean?

Reasons that aren't important right now.

^ 100% only noticed that slot because of the votes piling on btw

There's just no way I've been that forgettable. It makes this feel like a gimmick.

I kind of like that KO was critical of my vote away from him, btw. And AD's sudden swing to me, though usually excusable from an OMGUS perspective, doesn't seem to fit with his ongoing narrative. Just sayin'.

I think borings town prob, last time i played with her she was mefia and i vigged her n1, i dont want to shoot her as much

[Joey_]

Unsure tho, im really curious about what pumba has to say

[Joey_]

yes but even tho i dont have strong scumreads, i am really comfortable having that many hard townreads for the day

[Joey_]

Why not, i expect more from pumba

[Joey_]

I think you modded a game i played in but my post was just in general, i expect more from a replacing slot

[Joey_]

Joey what do you think of anime detective?

was null in my book, also i like the 2 votes on her so, i dont mind going there

[Joey_]

i dont like how 4 votes racked on boring's ass in about 6 posts

[Joey_]

Ash wanna flip anime detective? i dont want to split the game into 3 wagons if you are dead set on ad

@makin, cabd, boring as well

[Joey_]

i think not lynching ad will prove itself an error tho

[Joey_]

lol jeez this town is easy to flip

[Joey_]

cant know if good or bad

[Joey_]

i think not lynching ad will prove itself an error tho

This is my main reason for not unvoting so far. I feel it's now or never and

really

feel this should be our lynch today. Honestly even if my gut is wrong on this, it gives us the best chances to win later in the game by analysis alone

lol basically this

its a good info flip + even if hes town i dont like his reads and dont expect them to align with mine

[Joey_]

I'll do my best to come back in the morning (about 11 hours from now), but the odds are slim.

Don't no-lynch. If you have to lynch me, town had better at least win.
I assume that soldier is this game's VT (mine is day 3), but I don't want to get in trouble if that's not the case.

p-edit: @Kaede: I don't know what you want. It's not like you're the only ignored player. I was alone in pointing our Kirigiri days ago, and had to move twice to avoid pointless votes too. I get it. All I have to go on is what I see, especially since you're a stranger to me. I had a gut townread on you, and I've felt it being less and less supported by your play. And even now, all you're really giving me for justification is a clear OMGUS for stating my opinion. It's more towny than a series of "I don't know what to think", but I'm sure you can understand my growing hesitation.

did you just basically claimed vt

[Joey_]

like we shouldnt have to tell you how absurdly anti town its to claim in this setup + you arent still getting lynched

[Joey_]

I was looking at borings games to see if she ever pulled this whiny "ive never been lynched d1 as town" stuff there

I didnt see it as either alignment

I saw a town game where she replaced in and had like 4/5 votes on her and didnt say shit like that tho

hmmm

check her game modded by titus, she made walls after walls and was being very complacent, that was the general feeling i got after her scum game and not getting this game. Also while whiny, i dont think shed seriously play the "never got lynched" as t card. Also, if i remember correctly, after i vigged her as scum she asked me post game to ask why i scumread her. Basically i think she is proud of her play and its something that is coherent with her not wanting to get lynched as town

[Joey_]

i didnt mean to say complacent, but like compleasant and non-confrontational

[Joey_]

Also while whiny, i dont think shed seriously play the "never got lynched" as t card.

If shes never done this before

Which alignment would benefit more from this?

Sincerely, hard to say. In one way she havent been in a situation where she would need to use "non-meta ace card" as scum to not get lynched, also its not like its a super important day, its just d1. I am a proud player and if probably wouldnt use stuff i have never done before just to not get lynched on a meaningless day

The other line of thinking is that shes annoyed of being voted for bad reasons or something and thus uses cheap tactics, but that is so unlikely idk

[Joey_]

who has she been confronting this game joey?

No but like, when i mean confrontational its also means assertive. If i remember the game correctly that i referenced, she was basically going along the grain heavily and posting fluff all the time, not reinventing the wheel in her post and i personally townread her for that at first. I think her posts in this game are less fluff, less likeable and a bit more relevant. I played 1 game with her its not like im extremely confident in that read

[Joey_]

Not everyone plays teh way you do

Using "I would never do this as scum" is like my favorite thing to do as scum

pedit-

idk let me check her readslist but im pretty sure she has no super against teh grain read

truee but its a personnality read, not just a mechanic read and meta scum/town behaviors reads

[Joey_]

in the options in those wagons, id go

AD > anime detective > boring

[Joey_]

No you cannot clear someone but if everyone claims their own role and or double voting day @akamatsu

[Joey_]

Like everyone else on the wagon boring could clear herself would need to claim their role to be either daughter or non double voter d3, which is extremely impractical to clear 1 person

[Joey_]

I can't hover in the game at deadline, so this little window of time is it from me.

I'm not the worst scum hunter in the world (well, I'm a better town hunter Day 1 than scum hunter, but whatever).

Kaede Akamatsu - Felt townie at first, but that feeling has been slipping -- a lot of naked votes and neutral statements lately.

leantown/null is standard for her

Hinduragi - I think he's probably town. Solid effort throughout the day, and collaborative.

standard

Cabd - His big picture is town. His thing with LLD made me wonder at first, but now, I have a pretty strong gut read.

standardish, more confident but not super against the grain

Lady Lambdadelta - I'm trusting everyone else here. I don't see anything particularly townie, but whatever

literally sheeping everyone

Nosferatu - Another gut town read. That last thing was weird, though. Like, how do you claim to have memory problems, but confidently scumread someone for being unmemorable? Still, I think that was more personality than alignment.

standard sans rebuttal trolls

Maki Harukawa - I'm not sure. Her reads are so different from mine. Like I said before, I want her to be town. I have no real feeling one way or another yet.

noncommittal

Kaito Momota - This dude is really playing under the radar, so beyond concerns about his MO, I don't have anything to point to scum.

standard

Cephrir/Yuki Takeya - I didn't want to lynch an empty slot, and I stick by that. I don't actually have a read of any kind.

standard

SnarkySnowman - This player is totally readable after a while. Once they finally engage, as town, the majority of their posts will be productive. I've never seen more than a sentence or two though, as either alignment.

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Kagami - Town gut read. Their actual play has been pretty null to me, though.

standard

Vaxkiller - I know it's a little thing, but as I said before, he handled all kinds of toxic without an outburst as scum. I don't see why one little post from Hindu would set him off, unless he is more emotionally invested in playing town.

standard

Joey_ - Like Hindu, towny effort and collaboration.

standard

Kyoko Kirigiri - unless buddying Kagami is a new towntell, this is most likely scum. Every post pings me.

not uncommon read

Kotoko Utsugi - Town lean. The interaction with Maki seemed natural, if awkward. i think they are playing pretty boldly for scum.

standard

Kokichi Oma - I see more "coaching" than playing. I've seen scum play that tactic in large games before, and it's bugging me.

standard

ActionDan - I think it's possible that he's scum trying to effort out a win. I found it weird that he came up with this big scheme for like his first post, then suddenly "lost interest" in the game, too.

standard

You're all sticky poop turtles, and you're going to blow my perfect record if you lynch me.
Seriously. I will be talking so much smack about you people in the dead thread.

I know like 500 "yo mama" jokes.

lemme dig something up, youll know what i mean

[Joey_]

How can i quote from a locked thread?

[Joey_]

ty, i forgot that one

[Joey_]

Spoiler:

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

Sure.

Random is probably town mostly because someone by now would have probably explained the wagon on him.

RC is super over the top so I can't really get good read on them ;~;
Chara I wanna have a chat with.
Boring I wanna have a chat with.
1SVT probs town.
Alz probs town.

lol that falls into the nebulous reads, i like it

Dude! You just told him you'd town read him if he gave you nebulous reads.

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

VOTE: Cloudkicker

Alright I'm fucking done putting up with this scummy ass slot. We're lynching this today and no one else.
Everyone in their next post is either going to vote Cloudkicker or explain why they haven't voted him yet.

Because I'm not sure what to think if him yet. There are a few scummy things, but my gut leans townish.

Why are they scum?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

Either way boring talk to me.
Why you trying to direct pressure onto the one shot VT?
What response were you hoping to get from Pine?

I get the impression that you missed a few pages. Let me know if you need it, and I'll repost the answers to all these questions.

In the meantime, why are you being so passive this game?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

why do you want more votes on Alz?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

@random! Why Lycan?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

Human, I'm an old lady.
What do "deets" and "g2k" mean?
While we're on the subject, who is "goatseboat"?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

Yea but im voting fire because ali voted him, i didnt say i townread ali, i am accountable for my vote. All of this isnt mutually exclusive

Gotcha, but we're going in circles. If you don't have your own reason for voting Fire, and you don't have a reason for trusting Alisae's judgement, why did you choose to follow Alisae to vote Fire?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

Why do you rule out the SvS? I really don't think it's the case but neither do you obviously.
I also don't really like your reasoning, however you must have experience to think of it this way. Can you supply a game with the scenerio of TvT above to a game of TvS?
I will have give you the FoS as I really hate such early comments on alignments in these situations.

Obviously, I didn't rule SvS out. I just don't think they'd do that on the same team. The link I provided about you includes a TvS example, actually (Garmr and Pine). This one is TvT (Shadow and Eager) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68600. If you're not just a troll, and you think my reasoning is scummy, an FOS isn't going to cut it.

p-edit: Cloud, "he made me lol" doesn't give you magic underwear. Unless there's an actual game mechanic forcing you to vote where Alisae is voting, you remain accountable for your votes.

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

Im not sure where i suggested that i townread alisae

Cloud, why Fire?

because its alisae's vote

Why would you sheep him if you're not townreading him?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

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VOTE: NoLynch
I suggest following me.

I'm noticing a pattern.

Pine, thoughts?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Gerryoat and Lycan, can you expand on Human and Cloud, respectively?

Cloud, why Fire?

Subject: Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Why?
Without posting to post, why is there scum in Fire or RC? Day 1 situations like this normally land TvT. As it stands their both NAI for me, what stood out for you in particular?
I don't care about the Cloud Human situation yet though.

Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

p-edit: are you townreading Alisae, then? If so, why?

She had 40 posts that game, most of them are mindless and very irrelevant soft questionning of others and mainly commenting. The tone is completely different imo and im not getting the same feeling tonewise

[Joey_]

Like that game, not kidding, 60+% of her posts were one-liners questions to someone else.

[Joey_]

Ash wanna flip anime detective? i dont want to split the game into 3 wagons if you are dead set on ad

@makin, cabd, boring as well

who's anime detective?

This is her only question formulated the same way she basically posted 10/10 on that thread, and its a very relevant question that is objectively NAI

[Joey_]

(in the game rn , 943 is her only question)

[Joey_]

might be a good idea to look at her other scumgames and see if its a pattern

Like shes much more assertive and outing actual content than just commenting and asking around why others thinks and say what they think and say

[Joey_]

might be a good idea to look at her other scumgames and see if its a pattern

Honestly go read her iso in that game, i couldnt quote everything because it was a chore but i think the difference is pretty telling and youre correct that i should check her other games

[Joey_]

"Cloud, "he made me lol" doesn't give you magic underwear. Unless there's an actual game mechanic forcing you to vote where Alisae is voting, you remain accountable for your votes."

Like this is a scum sentence, she hasnt outed anything close to that this game imo

[Joey_]

I checked around, i checked her last scum game, i think she had a better scum game there but overall i still think shes town.

@ash : outside meta, i havent actually analyzed her post too much, she would probably be null if i didnt play with her before and checked her game history. That being said, the claim man, scum has to know not to touch that in any whatsoever

[Joey_]

She comes off as much more goofy and fillery as mefias

[Joey_]

VOTE: boring

There's like zero non-shit reasons to townread me right now lmao.

Except LLD because the power of LLD.

Why flip to boring over anime detective, you realize that boring's wagon is lead by your previous sr aka dan

[Joey_]

viewtopic.php?t=68156&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

what do you think of this ISO?

pedit-

I agree w/ cabd

might be conf biased cause i checked her alignement before reading, but she sounds really like shes talking to herserf sometimes, like commentating and it comes off as fake and theater

[Joey_]

Oh right that last iso is basically what it though was her scum pattern so, scratch that i guess. theres still the claim to ask her

[Joey_]

ill read her iso this game one last time then decides

[Joey_]

urg, funnily enough i think her 'never got lynched as town' ate + her absurd claim are the towniest thing she done

[Joey_]

I would not oppose a Yuki lynch.
As town she was a fairly active individual, holding the top poster spot. Now even though a lot of her posts were not always relevant it still a huge difference in play style and hard to ignore.
Yes, if anything it might make her appear and say something.

Vote:Yuki

Considering the anime detective iso, i think this post is really bad. Its just not the vote in itself, its the overexplanation behind a vote that dont really need to be explained. I know theres rp stuff mixed in it but its hard to not find that scummy

[Joey_]

can someone please tell this man that I do that all the living time and to not listen to it

i mean, my meta theory kinda choked so id do probably any of the top 3 wagons

[Joey_]

VoteCount 1.9

Cephrir [2] - Kyoko Kirigiri, Kaito Momota
Kyoko Kirigiri [2] - Lady Lambdadelta, Kotoko Utsugi
Nosferatu [1] - Kokichi Oma
ActionDan [4] - Hinduragi, Cabd, Maki Harukawa, boring
boring [5] - ActionDan, Kagami, Vaxkiller, Kaede Akamatsu, Nosferatu

Not Voting [3]

- Cephrir, SnarkySnowman, Joey_

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-01-18 12:00:00)

one thing that i despise is random lurkers leaving their fucking vote up on some slot that will never get lynched and they dont come back for the deadline talk, like if you wanna lurk fine but at least come back to make a correct vote towards your win con

[Joey_]

You should at least let her make a final post or something

[Joey_]

I assume that soldier is this game's VT (mine is day 3), but I don't want to get in trouble if that's not the case.

i really read this line as town, prove me wrong

[Joey_]

Like you are mafia, getting lynched and you just casually claimed VT with your day in parentheses w/o a build up or being pressurized or being genuinely threatened to be lynched, and you claim like that in the middle of your post

[Joey_]

Probably but im saying that claim was a scum setup claim. If shes scum and claimed there she basically didnt expect to not get lynched

[Joey_]

wasnt a scum setup claim*

[Joey_]

still genuinely surprise about the cheap tricks + lowkey claim of boring as scum

[Joey_]

surprised*

[Joey_]

Non they dont because obviously scum and town both have doublevote so you cant have a single lynch w/o someone being a double voter in there even tho its not their 'day'

[Joey_]

Also just curious if yall voting pumba for a daughter crumb or because of the python thingy i havent checked

[Joey_]

we're not lynching Cephrir today moving on.

Assuming this

Why do you all assume that ldd didnt just hide behind kagami and scum targeted kagami?

[Joey_]

Non they dont because obviously scum and town both have doublevote so you cant have a single lynch w/o someone being a double voter in there even tho its not their 'day'

What?

lets say you need "9 votes to lunch" and you get that many votes after 7 person.

The intel you got is 2 doublevoting the day you are in, thats all. Scum get doublevoter too (from the flip) and so is town. So on those 7 person who did the lynch theres anywhere between 4 to 7 doublevoters considering that only daughters dont get double votes. That doesnt and cannot clear anyone

[Joey_]

omfg whut fake god is outing the votes

[Joey_]

assuming that everyone have double votes but yes im double voter today and hence why i haven voted yet cause you are L-2 @pumba

[Joey_]

Yeah, I'm surprised by that as well.

Should I claim yet?

no

[Joey_]

if i knew that fakegod would out the doubleovoters i would never had picked my day so early

[Joey_]

honestly i just assumed that i would be out of this game early ùnd wanted to use power

[Joey_]

Are we following Kagami's plan or not? I assumed we were but maybe you guys decided not to in the pages I didn't get to

Why is there pages that you didnt get to? Dont you think it was a good idea to check for interactions in the night considering the red flip? thats hardly excusable

[Joey_]

Because I knew I'd most likely be quicklynched today, so I didn't care

This is only true because LLD died, you couldnt know lld would die in the night

[Joey_]

yeeaa im inclined to scumreads pumda d2 play

[Joey_]

@pumba wanna claim?

[Joey_]

VOTE: Pumba

This is L-1

[Joey_]

>When your top tr was a fucking hider so it was useless to tr them lol X D

not useless X D, or when vax call the obvious daugther daughter and youre like X D

[Joey_]

>When your top tr was a fucking hider so it was useless to tr them lol X D

not useless X D, or when vax call the obvious daugther daughter and youre like X D

hide behind me joey (B

X D nice view

[Joey_]

btw if ____ isn't a daughter there scum to me but they've been my daughter read since about half of day 1 so...ehh like you should know the soft I'm talking about

the only thing this post achieve is softing claiming non-daugther ftr

[Joey_]

btw if ____ isn't a daughter there scum to me but they've been my daughter read since about half of day 1 so...ehh like you should know the soft I'm talking about

the only thing this post achieve is softing claiming non-daugther ftr

but what if I am daughter and wifoming

Then you look scummy for making post are achieve nothing and attracting attention to yourself which is something a daugther shouldnt do

[Joey_]

that achieve*

[Joey_]

I'm a day 3 doublevoter.

I was planning to try not to vote tomorrow, but apparently that's not how this works!

@

MOD: In the event that mefias would have pregame chat, would they have access to it before they would need to confirm the day of their double voting power ? (In the case that mefias have doublevoting powers, which has been proven once)

[Joey_]

btw if ____ isn't a daughter there scum to me but they've been my daughter read since about half of day 1 so...ehh like you should know the soft I'm talking about

the only thing this post achieve is softing claiming non-daugther ftr

but what if I am daughter and wifoming

Then you look scummy for making post are achieve nothing and attracting attention to yourself which is something a daugther shouldnt do

what if I want to die because I'm board of this game?

Then again, claiming non-daugther and why would you be bored when we are fisting the scum team atm ??

[Joey_]

btw if ____ isn't a daughter there scum to me but they've been my daughter read since about half of day 1 so...ehh like you should know the soft I'm talking about

the only thing this post achieve is softing claiming non-daugther ftr

but what if I am daughter and wifoming

Then you look scummy for making post are achieve nothing and attracting attention to yourself which is something a daugther shouldnt do

what if I want to die because I'm board of this game?

Then again, claiming non-daugther and why would you be bored when we are fisting the scum team

atm

??

Please don't count your chickens before they hatch. It's not a good look.

Also im extremely confident in the remaining of my town circle reads so yes, i will count my chickens

[Joey_]

If you are this concerned about winning and losing, mind actually reading the game once ? and giving your input cause from the looks of the soft, you getting roped.

[Joey_]

btw if ____ isn't a daughter there scum to me but they've been my daughter read since about half of day 1 so...ehh like you should know the soft I'm talking about

the only thing this post achieve is softing claiming non-daugther ftr

but what if I am daughter and wifoming

Then you look scummy for making post are achieve nothing and attracting attention to yourself which is something a daugther shouldnt do

what if I want to die because I'm board of this game?

Then again, claiming non-daugther and why would you be bored when we are fisting the scum team atm ??

When all the scum are in lurkers it's a pain

So you poed down the remainings mefias to the lurkers?