Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[beeboy]

Maki, and anyone really.
Can we all promise if we plan on bombing we talk about it first?

[beeboy]

I dare you to bomb me.

[beeboy]

I don't trust people in this setup.

[beeboy]

I think Maki is town but I am not sure how I feel about her wanting to bomb Dunn.
Like as scum my plan would have been to constantly make my partner think I want to kill them because it shifts the dynamic really heavily with how you interact with them.

But maybe I am just being really paranoid?

[beeboy]

dam my scum game is ruined

It's ok you tried your best!

[beeboy]

Don't really want to kill Fire before Shiro actually gets the chance to do anything.

[beeboy]

Reck has Shiro as the townies pair.
Oh my.

[beeboy]

I am pretty lost atm, that's usually a bad sign.
I don't really have "town reads" or "people I trust" at the moment.

[beeboy]

Harambey do you have other reads?

[beeboy]

Harambey do you have other reads?

Which ones do you want from me?

Being honest, I haven't really spent any time at all to look over ALL the posts and ALL the players cuz I missed like nearly everything. I'm not going to form reads on everyone because 1: that takes too long and 2: I missed a lot so if I ISO'ed them I can't put most of it into the right context, but reading all posts also takes too long.

And I really counted myself 'eliminated' just before Kokichi got eliminated. I hadn't spent time back then so in the time I had left I didn't spend much either.
I'm willing to give reads on people but you people should tell me which reads you're looking for. N if this is lazy well then sry but it's my decision to play this game so have rezpect for it.

I mean I am pretty sure you aren't eliminated and are actually pretty low on the totem pole unless you keep this up in which case I guess your right your likely dead?
General thoughts on all the pairs would be appreciated.

[beeboy]

I spent all this time wanting to kill Chesskid and only Fire was down.
Now that I've decided to give him time everyone is on his ass.

PLS

[beeboy]

Its good with this many idiots elli and I might not get killed n1!

>killing Elli at night.
lel

[beeboy]

every time I read a post this game I wish I was scum aligned.

[beeboy]

brb checking my role pm in hopes I misread it.

[beeboy]

Fuck still town.

[beeboy]

Kags is that a read on me or a read on our overall pair?
Chesskid how is your early Sheep TR going?

[beeboy]

Why should I worry about that too much right now. I had the chance to not worry at all but Gamma picked me so well yeah whatever.
I had been honest all the time and you can go back to look at my posts again, I can't see myself what is wrong with that so tell me if there's something that pinged you of something.

Look at how chesskid makes complete nonsense of it and look at how the others reacted. I agree. Kokichi should have stayed in. That'd be better for Town cuz hopefully he'd have been a better townread than I am right now. It's bcuz of the bullshit that they're spreading here and that is all that they have to say about me. And that while I said that exactly that moment was NAI and a waste of time when you try to investigate it.
Show me good reasons that have indications to my alignment. So far all you said regarding what happened about me was complete idiotic boasting, I'm not going to defend myself against something so pointless or fake.

If y'all had done what I wanted then this all wouldn't have happened. I recommended you not to do something because that would have positive effects. But it turns out you ignored it, if I knew beforehand I'd just have said 'pick Kokichi, I'm out' cuz that'd have a better chance at succeeding.
I have no more words for this

None of this has anything to do with your general thoughts on other pairs which is like the only thing I actually cared for in my post directed at you.
I think you should care because 1 scum flip isn't actually that great in terms of winning us the game, neither is 2!
Finding 2-3 town-town pairs or lynching all 3 scum are roughly the only reliable ways to win this game.

[beeboy]

Uh oh my partner got banned from the site.
AH SHIT THAT MEANS MY NEW PARTNER IS DAN

[beeboy]

Good thing someone who is actually reliable can come into this game and tell me if Chesskid is town or not.

[beeboy]

Did he say "I am town btw"?

[beeboy]

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Also I am kind of curious but did this ever result in anything?
I really don't actually think I am playing particularly townie this game which is why I am asking.

[beeboy]

Did he say "I am town btw"?

KID YOU NOT THIS WAS HIS FIRST POST

smh and it took you this long to realize he was town.

[beeboy]

well I have my 3 TT pairs where do i redeem my ticket

I feel better about this game but I want Dan to save the day just so I can be a bit more sure.

[beeboy]

IF I JUST GET MEMED ON AND SOME RANDOM NEWBIE TAKES SHEEPS SLOT I AM GOING TO BE TRIGGERED.

[beeboy]

meme me harder daddy.

more shirobringer votes

I kinda want to keep Fire around since I enjoy him and he is also town.
But I guess I do need to kill Shiro at some point.

[beeboy]

I would like my replacement partner to be able to catch up regardless of who takes the slot before we lynch/bomb.
If your scum and want to fuck with my read I guess bombing is sorta good play for you?

pedit: Proxy of Shiro being scum and my gut? I know he has been doing it to me but I also feel like he'd be posturing way more as scum.

[beeboy]

he has been posturing tho

So have I?
I just think he would do it more as scum.

It's also a read I care little about since I am killing Shiro some time dance 2 in all worlds.

[beeboy]

don't you hate beeboy as much as me?

[beeboy]

Chess why am I scum bae

why did u accept shiro?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Didn't you do the same thing with Elli?

[beeboy]

Though we could also lynch beeboy+sheep cuz beeboy been doing all the talking while sheep been quiet af.

No

[beeboy]

Not going to lie this game was more fun when I had a bunch of people scum reading me.

[beeboy]

Fire why is Maki scum I am not really feeling it anymore?

I am only feeling the pain of being unwanted.

[beeboy]

I didn't like Maki's twilight posts but that is about it?
Overall I am feeling ok about the slot.

[beeboy]

Harambay is doing a really good job of avoiding actually posting a read list.


pedit: I mean I am playing exactly to what my scum agenda would be which is why I am surprised my friends all TR me.

[beeboy]

I don't know I feel like the nature of this setup makes people a lot more likely to just post like scum?
Overall it makes me kinda wary of literally everything.

[beeboy]

I mean when you post stuff like this you're making it hard to tr you.

Eh I could say what I'd do as scum specifically if you really wanted to know.

I also have 0 plans of end gaming.

[beeboy]

pedit: I mean I am playing exactly to what my scum agenda would be which is why I am surprised my friends all TR me.

are you surprised i tr you

I was a tempted to reply with a meme, but kinda I actually am?
As scum I open up this game by pushing you.
Like I wouldn't push Chesskid but I would 100% just push you before you hit late game and become a really hard lynch and I basically just opened up this game pushing you by proxy of pushing Chess?

[beeboy]

I mean u stopped at a point scumboy would double down no?

like i ignored your case and u just dropped it

Literally the only thing I've done this game worth town reading is that.

[beeboy]

>Pair up with Sheep/Ali
>Push Chess/Elli
>Express paranoia of partner for free town points
^ what I'd do as scum.

Like I am triggered af I am town read atm.

[beeboy]

Dunn also finds beebitch towny and they were correct on beeboy being scum in the last game that involved pts like this so I trust him

What game?

[beeboy]

Oh right.
I was thinking of lovers games.

[beeboy]

I feel like I can do anything and be town read.
Legit triggered atm.

[beeboy]

The current location of my vote should indicate my thoughts on current events btw.

[beeboy]

I've lynched like 7 town in a row, then lynched conf town over claimed scum. I get town read and survive until f3.
My response to L-2 is "fuck declaring reads lmao" and I get town read.
And in this game I make a set of actions that mirror what I'd do as scum and I get town read for minor stuff.

???????????????????
Ok this has nothing to do with this game at this point I'll stop.

[beeboy]

Venmar + Rek -> Shiro -> Evaluate game state
Is roughly where I am at.

pedit: ye

[beeboy]

Haven't written off Chesskid as town yet.
Maki/Dunn has town equity.

My pair has town equity I believe but I guess my new partner will be able to sort that out pretty quick for me.

[beeboy]

Kagami still has scum equity btw lol.

[beeboy]

I think Reck might be the scum in the pair tbh.

[beeboy]

I think Reck might be the scum in the pair tbh.

what do you think are the chances that reck/chess are scumpartners because it's been something that i've been entertaining for a bit

Bussing is kinda a must to win in this setup since this is by no means standard mafia.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Chess was scum? Last time I played this setup the game was literally won by a globally scum read player because they were being bussed by both the flipped scum and the notion was "why bus your buddy who actually has a chance of winning" which on it's own basically won scum the game.

I am kinda suspecting every pair to some degree which means I am likely doing something really wrong?

I am not writing Chess off as town if Reck is scum, but I am also not really sure a scum flip makes it more likely Chess is scum? I don't really get strong vibes either way about Chesskid and Reck's interactions this game.

If I am horribly wrong on Fire I do not think that's cross bussing and Chesskid is town as a result of that flip and since I already want Shiro dead I don't particularly mind waiting before I try and hard evaluate Chesskid again.

[beeboy]

I know I am supposed to town read harambay because all 3 dead towns told me to.
But I really just don't at all.

[beeboy]

chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - sheepsaysmeep
Antihero - Kagami
Gamma Emerald


Harambay put some words next to these strange words above this sentence please.

[beeboy]

I know I am supposed to town read harambay because all 3 dead towns told me to.
But I really just don't at all.

how about a living town

What exactly am I doing wrong?

[beeboy]

Y u no do that for me

I already know what my thoughts on all the slots are.

[beeboy]

Dunn hit me up with that 1337 read list.

[beeboy]

I think Harambay wants some kind of example.

[beeboy]

Dunn hit me up with your thoughts on the game tyty

[beeboy]

Elli on a 1-10 scale how much should I trust you.

[beeboy]

Like you yourself, kinda meh.
But your 3rd party tools are pretty legit.

So I wanna know which one I'd be sheeping.

[beeboy]

I am starting to convince myself Harambey is somehow doing all this from a town POV.

[beeboy]

I've seen Jesters play more like town then a vast majority of this game btw.

[beeboy]

Another note is it raining/snowing?
Just generally how is your life going atm?

[beeboy]

@Elli are you taking into consideration how the weather has been miserable in Toronto when you came to the conclusion that I am town?

[beeboy]

Super mega tin foil
Chesskid is trying to push a Lynch to kill me and Dan in the night before Dan can post.

[beeboy]

I can't read

ftfy

[beeboy]

I think you and Chesskid not playing around Dan being in this game adds a lot more weight to value of his reads on you 2.

Like let's take Maki for example, given she knows I am here my read on her if she is scum isn't really worth a lot in all honesty.
If I repped in day 3 I think it would be likely I'd figure it out.

[beeboy]

Sorry Elli your playing Checkers and Harambey is playing 5d Chess.
A simple trick like that would have never worked.

[beeboy]

Imo I have different sets of threads on each of my subscriptions and bookmarks and I have 1 PT on each of those to avoid fucking up and scum slipping.


I like how Harambay could have just came up with thoughts and posted them in thread but instead he is spending 3x more time explaining how he doesn't want to do that.

[beeboy]

Part of me is ok with ending the day now because if Sheep's replacement obv towns I am worried I die in the night.

[beeboy]

Part of me is ok with ending the day now because if Sheep's replacement obv towns I am worried I die in the night.

you're funny

Everyone else has a lot higher odds of being lynched.

[beeboy]

Beeboy u think Kagami is scum?

I have 0 reason to town read the slot.
Literally all game.

Everyone else has something even if I don't think it outweighs the scummy shit they have done.

[beeboy]

I can’t really read Kagami either but I figure those two die regardless anyways

Maybe talking about this is a negative EV thing to do.

[beeboy]

beebrain

This is a personal attack.

[beeboy]

Dunnstral reads would be pretty sick but I'll read your post now.

[beeboy]

Actually do what you want with your reads Dunn, I think your town.

[beeboy]

I've always thought scumranges are kinda silly?

[beeboy]

I am glad that we the town are filled with synergy, love, teamwork and trust.
We are looking good team!

[beeboy]

I've always thought scumranges are kinda silly?

AND WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THIS UP IN ONE OF OUR MANY TALKS ON THEORY HMMM

or did you and i just don't remember

We don't really talk about being scum ever tbh.
I just don't like the idea of conceding games to people that post outside arbitrary scum ranges.

[beeboy]

My scum range is I can't top post as scum.
I promise you that isn't accurate if I wanted to win.

I lurked in my previous scum games because it worked and NM's game was an uphill battle that I had trouble wanting to get into.

[beeboy]

Also "they are in there scum range", is like my least favorite argument to say someone isn't town without having a reason to scum read them.
Laziest thing you can do to not read good players.

[beeboy]

Sets the majority think are likely town

Sets containing people that aren't posting readable content
beeboy - sheepsaysmeep
Antihero - Kagami

Sets people want to Lynch
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
Venmar - xRECKONERx

Sets people want to Policy Lynch
Firebringer - Shiro
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald

Sets that are dead
Joey_ - Alisae

This read distribution always leads to a town win c:

[beeboy]

you fucking quoted that entire post for a 1 sentence reply.

[beeboy]

Maki/Dunn TvT

[beeboy]

DAN THE MAN

[beeboy]

I was in that game.

[beeboy]

wtf you guys lynched me.
I posted nothing but town content before I replace out.

[beeboy]

I think we should all be friends c:

[beeboy]

you aren't killing Dan before he posts.

[beeboy]

ok once he confirms we are town will u lynch reckmar with me bb

I am already voting Reck lol

[beeboy]

That's the basis of my Dan town read.

[beeboy]

Is it bad I wouldn't particularly mind if Shiro and Harambay rep out?

[beeboy]

I think if Shiro doesn't have time for the game repping out is no biggie.

[beeboy]

Doctor on Me and Dan btw.

[beeboy]

Maki/Dunnstral I still think is a town pairing?

[beeboy]

nailed it.

bombing out in my next few posts

[beeboy]

Wait why do you need 4 town-town pairs?
I think you need 2? 3 if scum pair up and you mess up identifying that.

[beeboy]

if i fucked up in my top tier it's probably on kagami

i had a bad feeling about sheep but i'm hopeful dan will be a LOT more readable

I really hope the game is just that easy.

[beeboy]

Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa [4] - Firebringer, Kagami, xRECKONERx, Harambey180

Disband pls

[beeboy]

persist to endgame:
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

alternate:
beeboy - ActionDan
chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Antihero - Kagami
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald

blood for the blood god:
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx

[beeboy]

I think at this point we just kill the 2 universal bottom halves right?

[beeboy]

you still have doubts about gamma and harambe, beeboy?

which one?

Part of me is still scared that Harambey is being told to do the.
"doesn't have the balls to do this as scum" thing he is doing.

Also don't like Gamma's insistence that his physical reaction to the game made him town. Although it's probably just Harambey.

[beeboy]

viewtopic.php?p=9883080&user_select%5B% ... 1#p9883080

This is Harambey's only completed game.

[beeboy]

He was actually providing reads in that game.

[beeboy]

viewtopic.php?p=9883080&user_select%5B% ... 1#p9883080

This is Harambey's only completed game.

He was actually providing reads in that game.

really?

i'm not seeing a stark difference

I think there is a lack of AtE and he is trying harder to solve the game.
Kinda just don't want to call him town more then I think he is scum.

[beeboy]

At this exact moment in time I put Chesskid and Elli above there current tier and below Maki/Dunnstral.
I just wanted to make 3 tiers and not 6 to represent my reads.

[beeboy]

I am still waiting for Dan to save the day.

[beeboy]

dan obvtowning (or obvscumming) would indeed save the day

I'll take either one really.

[beeboy]

Dan ego'd in our PT and I slightly town lean him?
I probably shouldn't but I do.

[beeboy]

don't like maki's persistent insistence on venreck being all town

*tilts head*
it's okay most people don't like things they don't understand.

Drealmerz.png

[beeboy]

Reck > Venmar
Tbh.

[beeboy]

Reck's read on Dunn is kinda weird.
And his read on me was oddly sticky up until recently.

[beeboy]

Maki believe in the bee that believes in you and vote Reck-Ven pls

[beeboy]

haHAAAA

THESE PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT APPRECIATED

[beeboy]

What are the odds Reck pursues the Chesskid slot of all slots as scumscum here?

[beeboy]

>can he reasonably win as scum
No
>does this by any means help his team removd Elli/Chess
No


Not sure how ballsy you 2009 peeps are though.

[beeboy]

Not sure what scum Reck gains by doing this.
Pushing Shiro then killing Anti at night makes this push a fuck ton easier.

[beeboy]

>can he reasonably win as scum
No
>does this by any means help his team removd Elli/Chess
No


Not sure how ballsy you 2009 peeps are though.

"go after town leader in hopes of being written off as too-ballsy-to-be-scum" is not an exotic trick

i'm not saying that's what reck is doing here but like... rly beeboy this isn't amateur hour

I think as scum Reck making a risk here isnt the worst idea I am more just thinking that it isnt a great risk since it is making it a lot harder on his team to ever lynch Chisskid by pushing him.
Unless Chesskid/Elli are scum or he is hoping people think that.

[beeboy]

Not sure what scum Reck gains by doing this.
Pushing Shiro then killing Anti at night makes this push a fuck ton easier.

i mean....

not if he's scum WITH shiro

Scum dont need to survive they need to lynch every single toan/town pairing excluding thete night kill.
I dont see scum defending low survivability slots?

[beeboy]

I dont want to read Reck based on this page alone let me look at his entire ISO again.

[beeboy]

Imo we should have scummies for stuff like
"least enjoyable player"

So I have a shot at winning something.

[beeboy]

Wait a minute venmar almost tricked me into posting game related content.

[beeboy]

Reck

We've played 2 games together since I came back to site (around half an year ago).

Do you remember what happened in them.

We also played in 2 games!

[beeboy]

When I am town I like to bus "obvious town" to show em whose boss.

[beeboy]

Oh. :/


I don't think Maki try harding indicates anything, I believe her.

[beeboy]

I feel like if Maki was scum I'd be pocketed harder but right now it's more of a head scratcher.

[beeboy]

These past few pages have been pretty nice.

[beeboy]

I feel like Gamma is a scum player that tends to play by ear and I don't really understand his town game which makes reading him pretty difficult for me.

[beeboy]

Do I remind you of RC?

[beeboy]

You were scum in 2 of those games.
And town in 1.

:ShittyElliTool: says your scum

[beeboy]

Is establishing reads using a tarot cards considered randomness?

[beeboy]

Elli get in here and game solve

[beeboy]

ActionDan waiting room.

[beeboy]

Back off me and Dan are trying to dodge the mafia's NK

[beeboy]

On a more serious note I don't really want to die until I can see a few flips.
If Dan never does anything I'll bomb him 100% of the time.
Given point 1 I don't really want to rush him when he has only skimmed bits and pieces of this game likely before repping in?

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

[beeboy]

Chesskid: Can we take a break from mafia so I can present my stunning victory at chess this evening against an international master
Ellibereth: I used to play a lot of Hearthstone

Even in regards to your hobbies it's kinda sad to compare you 2.

[beeboy]

So uhh how long am I supposed to give Dan?

[beeboy]

I am considering bombing Dan t b h

[beeboy]

ya I am patient
Dan could still just be trying to dodge the mafia NK

[beeboy]

My main concern is I am very back and forth on whether or not Reck/Venmar is actually flipping scum and lynching Fire involves lynching one of the players who actually wants to play atm.

[beeboy]

Harambey change your avatar back or I am policy lynching you.

[beeboy]

^ this is a joke

[beeboy]

Oh that's for the Olympics I thought it was just a random guy lol, OK I am not the brightest.

[beeboy]

You should start an avatar trend!

[beeboy]

Maybe make a GD thread about it or something.

[beeboy]

VOTE: venreck

[beeboy]

Has IC ever made it to day 2 while paired to town?

[beeboy]

i think reck is the scum in the pair now btw but that hardly matters now

Ya same lol.

[beeboy]

We need flips every 24 hours in all honesty btw.

[beeboy]

note every 24 hours does not mean within the first hour.

[beeboy]

Beeboy why aren’t u worried about dan

I trust Chesskid and Elli.
But no I am in fact very worried.

I think Dan would actually try as scum.
I'd be lying if my read wasn't largely the above but ehh.

Like it's not off the table but it's not my first priority.

[beeboy]

think Dan would actually try as scum.

No he wouldn’t....

Dan is like textbook lurker scm

I think there's a difference between lurking and outright not posting.
One of those actually gives you some percentage points to win.

[beeboy]

Like I don't think lurking means you aren't trying to win is what I am saying.

[beeboy]

Dead

Joey_ - Alisae
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald
chesskid3 - Ellibereth

Alive

Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Antihero - Kagami

[beeboy]

I think Maki is town

What do you think of me

I am not really thinking about this from the POV of individual reads in all honesty, I don't think that's as important at this point.
I was leaning on you being town but I want to sit down with this game.

I am thinking I could be wrong on Maki and Fire?
But idk atm this game is hard everyone wants every other pair to die.

[beeboy]

Has Dunn done anything outside town read Maki?

[beeboy]

I FUCKING TOLD YOU DUNN
I TOLD YOUUUUUUU

ugh I don't like this post.
You had like 48 hours to do this in your hood
It makes me feel kinda iffy?

But I've read scum motivation in like every single post thus far not going to lie.

pedit: STOP POSTING MY REAL THOUGHTS IRONICALLY

[beeboy]

I mean like have you had any kind of scum read on Maki?
Like I was referencing your read on her I am not saying you aren't posting content.

Unless you have scum read Maki and I missed it >_>

[beeboy]

Bee do you have any read on Dan at all
cause that'd be great

Town actually.

[beeboy]

This setup feels uphill af.

[beeboy]

Bee do you have any read on Dan at all
cause that'd be great

Town actually.

Spoiler:

You have to believe!

[beeboy]

wait beeboy should be white

Hmm?

[beeboy]

Oh white is the default text color on other skins I follow now.
I'll ask hmm anyway since I already typed it out.

[beeboy]

Fire, Reck, Maki

Kappa Keepo.

[beeboy]

Beeboy ur dumb town and u got my blood boiling

The Maki/Dunn pair self presing all game kinda bugs me?
I am guessing you think the pair is T/T but I am getting scared

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

[beeboy]

Maki why am I not 50 different shades of lock town atm?

[beeboy]

"I would do ___ as scum" and "I sr everything" is really really bad and I feel like you're doing that tryhard scum thing again

The former wouldn't ever get me town read so it's not something I'd try and fake.
Nor would I be hyper tilted as scum about being town read.

[beeboy]

I know I am not transparently town and I know i can be townier then this but I definitely feel good enough I guess?

[beeboy]

Like Chesskid and Elli don't die saying me, Dan and Kagami are all town then we put the bottom 3 of us all in our auto pilot kill section.

[beeboy]

So I have this logic that your going to write off and get mad at after reading.

Half the thread tin foiled Chesskid and Elli as scum so they aren't killed with 100% wrong reads. So me and Kagami aren't both ever scum.

If Kagami is town and I am scum that nightkill does not occur, Kagami dies instead since Kagami clearly indicated they intend on hard pushing me today. Or a harder to break pear like Maki/Dunn dies.

If Kagami is scum and I am town then I am just town so lynching me is still stupid.



Kagami could be scum but I am never scum with that kill.

[beeboy]

Chesskid and Elli were lynch-able af.
Especially if they started pushing wrong reads which is the world in which I am scum.

[beeboy]

I value NKA really highly because most players tend to be disgusted when it gets brought up.
I don't think scum ever try and WIFOM a kill.

The kill always has a purpose and I don't see the purpose of the kill in a world where I am scum?

[beeboy]

At this moment in time I want to just auto kill.

Fire/Shiro.
Maki/Dunn.

[beeboy]

At this moment in time I want to just auto kill.

Fire/Shiro.
Maki/Dunn.

Yeah I feel good about this honestly.

[beeboy]

At this moment in time I want to just auto kill.

Fire/Shiro.
Maki/Dunn.

Yeah I feel good about this honestly.

Feeling good doesn't make it right though.

Tell me your thoughts on Maki's posts today?

[beeboy]

Like a combination of the lolcat during twilight Maki did.
I think Ali has the ability of reading Maki.
Then Maki comes into the day and just hard tries to setup the 1v1 against me.

Like idk.
I really like my 1 on 1 interactions with her but I feel like I am having trouble overlooking everything else?


I don't really like Fire's defense of Shiro all game and Shiro isn't that great himself either. I also think Fire's interactions with scum could easily just be S/S.

Idk I don't trust either of these pairs and I see the world in which they are scum together.

[beeboy]

Uhh I can find instances in MU turbos where I say NKA just breaks games?
I doubt I did in any proper game though.

[beeboy]

Surprised you've never heard my say I value NKA in a turbo in all honesty lol.

[beeboy]

Like a combination of the lolcat during twilight Maki did.
I think Ali has the ability of reading Maki.
Then Maki comes into the day and just hard tries to setup the 1v1 against me.

Like idk.
I really like my 1 on 1 interactions with her but I feel like I am having trouble overlooking everything else?


I don't really like Fire's defense of Shiro all game and Shiro isn't that great himself either. I also think Fire's interactions with scum could easily just be S/S.

Idk I don't trust either of these pairs and I see the world in which they are scum together.

I'm not trying to set up a 1v1 with you. I was leaning on your being town of your pair. And then you come into this "why don't you have me as town based on NKA"
Nka is outright shit
like disagreeing is perfectly fine and all that but you're trying to act like you should be lock clear when...no? You also don't seem be solving my slot at all

so lynch bee slot and we win?
Pedit: Your "I would do ___ as scum" and "I sr everything" is really really bad and I feel like you're doing that tryhard scum thing again trying to be lamist
or it's dan
eh

This feels like you knowing you have to 1v1 me at some point.

[beeboy]

beeboy to be blunt

if I was scum I don't think I'd have to 1v1 you I feel like I could easily pocket you but meh self meta

In the world in which I won't kill Dan I feel as though you would have to 1v1 me and you can't deny that?

Like I feel like your progression on me this game is just kinda odd? You mentioned paranoia a few times and I thought that was town since I tend to just like it when people are paranoid / scum read me and then it never really lead to anything up until now when I decided to start engaging you for it.
Your reasons themselves is just I am trying to self pres and that makes you ok with flipping me.
I don't see as town why you'd be looking at my POV and think it's scummy when you see me trying to self pres here since your borderline doing the same thing? Well at least Dunnstral is.
Also when you point out how me getting mad for being town read and me expressing that anger is the scummier aspect of my ISO and how that makes me scum I just don't buy it? That's not an emotion I'd ever genuinely have as scum and I am not sure why you'd think I'd try and fake that either?

[beeboy]

Beeboy, what is your opinion on reck/venmar right now?

Do you still think I'm town?

The scum in your pair is always Maki.
+ I liked your early posting so I think your always town.

[beeboy]

Dunnstral I really want to trust you here but like Maki's approach towards me just feels dirty.
I don't think she is being conscious of my read on her and I think the odds anyone can pocket a friend in a 1 on 1 situation is really high.

Like I am really sorry if I am wrong but idk.

[beeboy]

I don't think she is being conscious of my read on her

By this I am saying is she doesn't care if I scum read her or not but cares a fuck ton if you do as her partner.
So I am putting a lot of trust in my own read then I am in yours :/

[beeboy]

Beeboy, what is your opinion on reck/venmar right now?

I think Venmar is town.
Reck keeps having really townie moments.

I don't like his 1v1 with Chess, on review it feels like "screw you for pushing me"
Like lower end of things I am pursuing I am going back and forth on it I guess?

[beeboy]

Maki talk to me please? :/

[beeboy]

I don't dislike you I just think that you could be scum with Maki

[beeboy]

VOTE: Maki/Dunn

I still want to talk to you Maki but I just think I should do this.

[beeboy]

We are scum
We decided not to nightkill u because nobody would sheep u

I think this point adds to the benefits of bussing here.

[beeboy]

Spoiler: Maki's Read On Me

Like srsly how do you have these reads yet I really don't get it
I think alisae is weird but that's normal
beeboy is prob town but like
..that's it?

So Maki starts off hard town reading me.

I think varner is town I need to re read the monkey because at first I was townreading them for the "I'm prob gonna get left out" it felt really genuine but then I figured that could come from both alignments
beeboy...ehhhhh I flip on this read really hard this was like one of my hidden sr's then I like forgot why I was sring beeboy
Kokichi I've already explained

Paranoia.

beeboy isn't scum because they aren't with alisae.
Beeboys lack of paranoia/sr on me is weird though.

More paranoia.
Maki never really tried to ask me about her read on her.
I try to ask her to elaborate on this cause her posts about me consistently show paranoia but she never tries to talk to me about her issues with me like paranoia is townie but towns actually try and follow up on it / try and work out there issues which I don't think Maki is doing.

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Maki never actually attempts to reevaluate me as a result of this post.

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Also I am kind of curious but did this ever result in anything?
I really don't actually think I am playing particularly townie this game which is why I am asking.

I looked at your posts and I think you're more relaxed then scum you would be
you're not omg obv town but compared to other pairings I wouldn't lynch you by a long shot

This is a pretty standard tone read?
Like I think a read on me would expand beyond this if she expressed paranoia about me all game.

Harambay is doing a really good job of avoiding actually posting a read list.


pedit: I mean I am playing exactly to what my scum agenda would be which is why I am surprised my friends all TR me.

I mean when you post stuff like this you're making it hard to tr you.

I don't think Maki actually scum reads me for this post in particular. Seems low effort I guess?

Dunn also finds beebitch towny and they were correct on beeboy being scum in the
last game that involved pts like this so I trust him

Drops paranoia without really trying to evaluate me herself.

wait beeboy should be white

Oops I guess I am not really town?

anti talk to me on bee/dan
I don't want to vote varner/reck at all there t/t to me

Oh I guess I should die now.

Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Antihero - Kagami

Fire-Shrio dies flips scum
then kagami dies and flips scum

leaves us with
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

Recks posting feels towny on the last page even if I disagree with it
so lynch bee slot and we win?
Pedit: Your "I would do ___ as scum" and "I sr everything" is really really bad and I feel like you're doing that tryhard scum thing again trying to be lamist
or it's dan
eh

Sets me up as a lynch.

I value NKA really highly because most players tend to be disgusted when it gets brought up.
I don't think scum ever try and WIFOM a kill.

The kill always has a purpose and I don't see the purpose of the kill in a world where I am scum?

I'm voting you after I get fire and shiro to flip

this is horrid
idc what dunn's telling me in the pt

like you've NEVER said this before
I feel like you're just throwing this in to give yourself a better agenda and I don't really think town you would believe this ever you're better then

this

"I am going to vote you after Fire/Shiro flips."
"Declares I am playing to a scum agenda"

Like a combination of the lolcat during twilight Maki did.
I think Ali has the ability of reading Maki.
Then Maki comes into the day and just hard tries to setup the 1v1 against me.

Like idk.
I really like my 1 on 1 interactions with her but I feel like I am having trouble overlooking everything else?


I don't really like Fire's defense of Shiro all game and Shiro isn't that great himself either. I also think Fire's interactions with scum could easily just be S/S.

Idk I don't trust either of these pairs and I see the world in which they are scum together.

I'm not trying to set up a 1v1 with you. I was leaning on your being town of your pair. And then you come into this "why don't you have me as town based on NKA"
Nka is outright shit
like disagreeing is perfectly fine and all that but you're trying to act like you should be lock clear when...no? You also don't seem be solving my slot at all

"I am not trying to 1v1 you"
(please look up as Maki cannot be unaware she is trying to set me up to die)

So basically to not really summarize the quotes which are there to just back up this paragraph anyway.

Maki has expressed paranoia of me roughly the entire game.

Maki has not actually at all stated where this comes from

at any moment in time.

She says I more likely to be town for 2 throw away reasons the sheeping the Dunnstral read (which he never explains) and a tone read.

Maki knows that I town read people who scum read me and I town read paranoia.

She avoided having a read on me

or talking about my posts directly this entire game.
I assumed the general paranoia was townie but looking back at the read there really is never any follow up or anything that indicates that paranoia is coming from a town mindset. So I just feel like she is saying she is paranoid of me because it's what I want to hear? Like not interacting with me is 100% ok if there is nothing to talk about but if she was truly paranoid of me all game then I feel like she wouldn't approach her read on me the way she did.

Paranoid towns interact with there reads and talk about them while Maki is really just stating paranoia all game without specifying anything in regards to it or talking to people about me.

Then she opens the day by saying I am scum and starts to push me which also comes out of nowhere?
Without ever really trying to engage me or sort me herself?
And while trying to kill me at some point she says she is not trying to setup a 1v1 on me which is literally what she is doing?

Her entire read on me does not reflect a town trying to sort someone, it's scum acting paranoid to avoid engaging me.

tldr: bold sentences.

[beeboy]

Maki has lock towned Venmar/Reck the entire game.
Has scum read one half of Fire/Shiro the entire game.
Doesn't really talk about Kagami until day 2 where she locks them as scum based on POE.

I like her read progression on Fire and Dunnstral and that's about it?
And I need to think this relative to pairs and I don't like Maki's lack of real read progression on the Fire/Shiro pair itself.

[beeboy]

Beeboy we aren’t lynching maki rn
venmar/reck or me and shiro

Idk what do you like from Maki?

[beeboy]

We lynch Maki/Dunn, Maki flips scum.
Then I lynch you cause I think your Maki's partner.

If I am at any moment in time wrong on either of these I bomb myself to kill Dan. If Shiro is scum and your town I will still do this.

Fair deal Fire?

Maki scum flip implies Reck/Ven are likely town in all honesty so I am ok with that. You don't defend a buddy that hard as scum.

[beeboy]

I don’t see how that’s a fair deal since I don’t read either of those two as scum right now (dunn/maki)

I think Maki has a lack of read progression across the board in terms of reads on actual teams and scum are playing in the mindset of lynching teams not individuals. :/

[beeboy]

How about you bomb dan and if you both flip town I’ll bomb shiro.
If we both of us are all town than I guess that’s gg

This deal seems kinda meh.

[beeboy]

Well I mainly am just ok with dying because I know that if I die after a Maki scum flip the rest of the scum flips kinda just fall into place.

Since I think Kagami/Reckmar are unlikely to be scum with Maki.

And if I am wrong on Maki I am wrong enough where I'd accept that I could be wrong on Dan.

[beeboy]

Honestly maybe it is just Dan.
Kagami and Reckmar both seem town with a Maki flip.

But I also think dying without accomplishing a Maki flip is awful play?

pedit: NKA mainly + Trusting Ellibereth and Chesskid really blindly. But this post is also me rethinking.

[beeboy]

Maki -> Me

I am willing to do this.
Fuck dying crossing my fingers that my flip achieves something in regards to giving my reads cred.

[beeboy]

Like I am sorry but I think I am explaining my read and I just don't want to die without pushing it through :/

Like outside you and Dunn I can't look at Maki's reads on any player and feel as though she is actually attempting to sort them :/

[beeboy]

i d k, I think I made a valid case :/
I don't think anyone is talking to me about townie things Maki has done :/

Like I am not asking anyone to put blind trust in me I am asking to talk about my read and what I said about her.

[beeboy]

I just look at your posts on a macro level and have 0 reason to think your town this game. Like I wanted to see if you were town and I really did put in a lot of effort into trying to see that. I just look at your reads this game and I don't really see it coming from town. I don't feel like your reads this game have had progression to them and if they do the read on the team as a whole stays the same which is all that matters from a scum POV. You haven't really spoken about anything I would do as scum / wouldn't do as town like I don't know like I am not sure what I am doing wrong if I am?

I am really frustrated in regards to this in all honesty, I thought you were scum early on and I kinda just sat there out of fear of being wrong and I guess part of me didn't want to push you because I find I have to do that a lot in order to get a read on you. And another part of me just feels like I spent this entire game copping out of actually reading. Like if your scum I still just fucked up hard by not pressuring you and if your town I just feel awful for fucking up my read and waiting so long to engage you. So it's basically lose-lose atm lol.

Like I don't think you wouldn't be paranoid as town or mess up a read on me I just don't think the approach to it was done so from a town POV and your other reads I already stated my issues with as well.