Krazy's Post-Apocalypse uPick (Game Over)

[Past Present Future]

I'll be back on Day 2 to tell you all what went right, what went wrong and tell you about your inner personality.

~The Scummer of Mafia's Past

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Chkflip

-Present

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

[Past Present Future]

I still haven’t caught up but so far liking, Eclipse, TSE and maybe Dat Mist.

~Future

(I will probably just sign with the first two letters, )

[Past Present Future]

TSE’s super surface level, which i don’t actually think is bad this early in the game, but I’m interested in seeing how his trajectory and how his reads evolve over time.

I dunno, he tr Eclipse before I did and generally I take that as a good sign. It worked for me with Chemist in RS 1 anyway.

~Fu

(Anyone want to take a wild guess on why I chose Future?)

[Past Present Future]

I still haven’t caught up but so far liking, Eclipse, TSE and maybe Dat Mist.

~Future

(I will probably just sign with the first two letters, )

Ab?

No Fu.

[Past Present Future]

pink ball is the most scummy person on FL wagon. FL has been very townie and Pinkball just voted there for either trying to see how it went or pushing the game into more discussion/reaction and I lean on how it went.

don't think he had a reason

Well saying it’s usually a good reason to lynch someone is never a good reason. I’m trying to remember if he memes as scum too. Because he memed like crazy when we did the PPG thing in SC 3.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

TSE’s super surface level, which i don’t actually think is bad this early in the game, but I’m interested in seeing how his trajectory and how his reads evolve over time.

I dunno, he tr Eclipse before I did and generally I take that as a good sign. It worked for me with Chemist in RS 1 anyway.

~Fu

(Anyone want to take a wild guess on why I chose Future?)

Nope.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t know whether or not Alchemist is scum or not but he definitely seems a better vote than chk. I still don’t know why Auro voted him.

But he’s pushing sr for not great reasons and he usually tries to sort more as town, so maybe?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I'm sorry but no. "I'll explain later" is so classically mastin2 town meta it hurts my brain. God the nostalgia hit like a brick wall.

Yes yes yes please get rid of me.

Don't like speedlynch tho D1 needs to be informative.

UNVOTE:

Anyway, I don’t think this is scum.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

~Future

[Past Present Future]

Y’all know my feelings on Vanilla claims Day 1.

It’s either scum going for a “why wouldn’t I claim PR route” or actually Vanilla, and if so, that’s worth it to lynch because night actions get to go down, and we don’t have any more PR analyzing.

I caught Tchill this way a couple years back and partner Carcalilly day 1

Are you one of those players that likes to play night actions rather than day or is that not what you are imyplgin?

Way too many inside jokes (I think) for me to handle in the first 10 pages!

I already want to VOTE: Superb Subtlety out for me thinking that people are talking to me when they say 'Ali'

maybe use Alisae and alimdia

I am adapting and changing by voting you. Muhahaha

I sorta Town read Chk.
He said he didn’t mind dying today.
Then people pushed him and he’s like “Ok just make sure to get more discussion”
FL did a similar thing and was like “No don’t lynch me!”

I don’t know if you would call this a case on FL but honestly it feels to me like Chk gives an example of a Town Reaction while FL gives an example of a scum reaction.

Also The Collectors seems to be acting like “I won’t directly defend FL from being lynched but I don’t think they would die because they are FL”
IDK feels to me like they are open wolfing that they are partners with FL.

Could you show where FL did a similar thing? Because chk kinda claimed vanilla.

Way too many inside jokes (I think) for me to handle in the first 10 pages!

I already want to VOTE: Superb Subtlety out for me thinking that people are talking to me when they say 'Ali'

maybe use Alisae and alimdia

Did you not have anything else to say about the first 10 pages?

- Diana

I had to do CNY stuff today. First 10 pages was major fluff tho.
I will look at the people that voted chkflip/FL

Here’s the thing, is claiming vanilla really scum indicative for chk or anyone? I’ve never played with scum!chk but I don’t think he’s scum. I read the vanilla claim as NAI.

[Past Present Future]

Votecount 1.9

Flavor Leaf(5)

~ Dr Easy Bake(27), mastina(29), chkflip(19), TrueSoulEnergy(18), Pink Ball(8)

chkflip(4)

~ Firebringer(27), Flavor Leaf(86), PenguinPower(12), Past Present Future(10)

mastina(3)

~ The Collectors(43), Dats Mist(35), Elsa Jay(4)

Alchemist21(2)

~ Eclipse(12), or(12)

The Collectors(1)

~ Alchemist21(17)

Superb Subtlety(1)

~ alimdia(1)

Dats Mist(1)

~ Clover Ebi(5)


Not Voting (2): Superb Subtlety(8), Emperor flippyNips(0)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-03 16:57:18)

FLAVOR

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

If you’re sr the chk wagon, then why is your vote still on the collecters?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

Y’all know my feelings on Vanilla claims Day 1.

It’s either scum going for a “why wouldn’t I claim PR route” or actually Vanilla, and if so, that’s worth it to lynch because night actions get to go down, and we don’t have any more PR analyzing.

I caught Tchill this way a couple years back and partner Carcalilly day 1

Are you one of those players that likes to play night actions rather than day or is that not what you are imyplgin?

Way too many inside jokes (I think) for me to handle in the first 10 pages!

I already want to VOTE: Superb Subtlety out for me thinking that people are talking to me when they say 'Ali'

maybe use Alisae and alimdia

I am adapting and changing by voting you. Muhahaha

I sorta Town read Chk.
He said he didn’t mind dying today.
Then people pushed him and he’s like “Ok just make sure to get more discussion”
FL did a similar thing and was like “No don’t lynch me!”

I don’t know if you would call this a case on FL but honestly it feels to me like Chk gives an example of a Town Reaction while FL gives an example of a scum reaction.

Also The Collectors seems to be acting like “I won’t directly defend FL from being lynched but I don’t think they would die because they are FL”
IDK feels to me like they are open wolfing that they are partners with FL.

Could you show where FL did a similar thing? Because chk kinda claimed vanilla.

Way too many inside jokes (I think) for me to handle in the first 10 pages!

I already want to VOTE: Superb Subtlety out for me thinking that people are talking to me when they say 'Ali'

maybe use Alisae and alimdia

Did you not have anything else to say about the first 10 pages?

- Diana

I had to do CNY stuff today. First 10 pages was major fluff tho.
I will look at the people that voted chkflip/FL

Here’s the thing, is claiming vanilla really scum indicative for chk or anyone? I’ve never played with scum!chk but I don’t think he’s scum. I read the vanilla claim as NAI.

I didn’t really care tbh. You’re acting like the vanilla claim was the thing he was being pushed for.

I was just shading that for the sake of shading that.

That was the whipped cream on my ice cream sundae. His timing on voting me was absolute crap.

I was responding to allimida. Why can’t chk just be bad town then? What makes you so sure he’s scum?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Firebringer said he was informed of me being town, which is proof that my wagon is incredibly scum driven.

Even if there’s scum on your wagon, why are you so certain on chk?

Why can’t town make bad votes?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

mastina is hard town.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Bunch of scavengers in this town.

Absolutely lynch me I'm vanilla and it's so fucking dumb.

My life for you, mastina.

The timing of this vote swung the wagon on to me.

I don’t really think both of them are scum, unless one’s a traitor (sticking to the tinfoil), but I find it extremely hard to believe that one of them isn’t. I guess they both could be scum still, but meh.

First of all, Mastina’s reasonings for scum reading me are absolutely nonexistent and she’s actively waiting until more stuff happens in this game rather than explaining.

Secondly, Mastina was NOT coming across well in our 1v1, and you can tell by looking back that I was getting town read, and she had no base, and then Chkflip comes in and votes and helps the swing, then immediately gets “mad” and claims vanilla, which is the whipped cream, and I’ve already explained why i think that’s just poor.

If he’s town pr doing it, then great, I’m helping him out with all this junk in the trunk.

By no means is it AI enough mixed in with the incredibly political vote, incredibly game changing time of the vote.

He’s also faking being mad, (maybe he is actually, but it ain’t townie, NAI at best) and I’m the leading wagon.

Mastina’s exit is incredibly scummy as well because it transitioned the heat from her onto myself AND Chkflip.

Have you ever played with chk before? He always seems mad.

[Past Present Future]

I think Fl v chk is tvt.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Ok now that I've answered every post addresing me, a few notes:

1. Hi!!
2. mastina pushing FL: we're in the worst timeline.
3. Melanque (haha) why are you voting mastina if you think she's a jester what the fuck.
4. People talking so much about the jester are probably trying to make the collective unconscious paranoid of lynching anyone so yeah probably scum.
5. Lynching FL D1 is never a bad idea, mastina probably doesn't believe what she's pushing but she's doing the right thing either way so points for her.
6. Points 4. and 5. leans toward the same thing:

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

You'll be the first leaf that won't float 'cause you drowning boy.

If you guys want to talk about this points you HAVE TO say hi 'cause I said hi first in 1. or you'll be rude and I don't like that.

If you don’t think Mastina believes in her FL push, then how is that “the right thing” according to you?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Then who’s scum on my wagon, Nancealot? Because scum doesn’t just ignore my wagon.

I don’t know but I really don’t think it’s chk. He doesn’t feel scummy to me.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Alchemist

I think his reactions to the Collectors seem overblown to me.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Sorry. I suck at typing on mobile and am also playing HvV while doing this.

eh apologising for that but not for voting me eh? seems like ur trying to make me doubt my townlean on u alch

-collector general

You’re the one who obvscummed by page 2. lol

When did he “obvscum”, because I think he is sounding very different here than in Surprise?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

This feels rather random, the reads part especially. Do you have any reasons to scumread the players you just named? I dislike that you came in here saying you dislike the main wagons but did nothing to really change the fact. It feels like just placing down reads to see what will stick.
VOTE: Alchemist

Here’s the thing, is claiming vanilla really scum indicative for chk or anyone? I’ve never played with scum!chk but I don’t think he’s scum. I read the vanilla claim as NAI.

This. The vanilla claim should basically be ignored considering how unprompted it is. It could be true, it could be fake for reactions. We have no real reason to talk about it or push it. Wolvescan take back the claim just as town can. Really, anyone who pushes this as towny/scummy should explain why.

Firebringer said he was informed of me being town, which is proof that my wagon is incredibly scum driven.

I doubt Firebringer really has information proving you are town or he would’ve been much more serious with his claim. If he’s serious he should say so. But from what I get he’s just being carefree. At least, that’s the attitude I’m getting. I don’t think you really believe this to be true. I’ve avoided voting your slot mostly because you’ve become a giant spotlight in the game, but if you had fewer votes I’d probably consider it.

And for all of his talk, sr chk wagon, his vote is still on someone who was never even on it.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Clover’s hatcheting

I keep forgetting what that means.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

This feels rather random, the reads part especially. Do you have any reasons to scumread the players you just named? I dislike that you came in here saying you dislike the main wagons but did nothing to really change the fact. It feels like just placing down reads to see what will stick.
VOTE: Alchemist

Here’s the thing, is claiming vanilla really scum indicative for chk or anyone? I’ve never played with scum!chk but I don’t think he’s scum. I read the vanilla claim as NAI.

This. The vanilla claim should basically be ignored considering how unprompted it is. It could be true, it could be fake for reactions. We have no real reason to talk about it or push it. Wolvescan take back the claim just as town can. Really, anyone who pushes this as towny/scummy should explain why.

Firebringer said he was informed of me being town, which is proof that my wagon is incredibly scum driven.

I doubt Firebringer really has information proving you are town or he would’ve been much more serious with his claim. If he’s serious he should say so. But from what I get he’s just being carefree. At least, that’s the attitude I’m getting. I don’t think you really believe this to be true. I’ve avoided voting your slot mostly because you’ve become a giant spotlight in the game, but if you had fewer votes I’d probably consider it.

And for all of his talk, sr chk wagon, his vote is still on someone who was never even on it.

~Fu

What’s scummy about that?

I think that’s more town indicative than scum indicative, especially this early.

What’s townie about it?

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

This feels rather random, the reads part especially. Do you have any reasons to scumread the players you just named? I dislike that you came in here saying you dislike the main wagons but did nothing to really change the fact. It feels like just placing down reads to see what will stick.
VOTE: Alchemist

Here’s the thing, is claiming vanilla really scum indicative for chk or anyone? I’ve never played with scum!chk but I don’t think he’s scum. I read the vanilla claim as NAI.

This. The vanilla claim should basically be ignored considering how unprompted it is. It could be true, it could be fake for reactions. We have no real reason to talk about it or push it. Wolvescan take back the claim just as town can. Really, anyone who pushes this as towny/scummy should explain why.

Firebringer said he was informed of me being town, which is proof that my wagon is incredibly scum driven.

I doubt Firebringer really has information proving you are town or he would’ve been much more serious with his claim. If he’s serious he should say so. But from what I get he’s just being carefree. At least, that’s the attitude I’m getting. I don’t think you really believe this to be true. I’ve avoided voting your slot mostly because you’ve become a giant spotlight in the game, but if you had fewer votes I’d probably consider it.

And for all of his talk, sr chk wagon, his vote is still on someone who was never even on it.

~Fu

What’s scummy about that?

I think that’s more town indicative than scum indicative, especially this early.

What’s townie about it?

Why wouldn’t scum just vote? There’s no push with it. It’s literally just a comment. That’s transparency.

That’s my point, if he thinks chk wagon is scummy, then why is his vote still on Collectors?

[Past Present Future]

Clover’s hatcheting

I keep forgetting what that means.

It’s when scum chop chop chop and discredit to protect their scum buddy buddy without committing to it.

Which means Chk was actually straight chainsawing me, not Hatcheting if Chk/Mastina are scum.

Clover did a trademark hatchet if Chkflip is scum, though.

Why would he vote Alchemist then, when Alchemist was sr chk wagon?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Doubling, tripling down on tvt. Chk thinks if you don’t accept a bad read on you from him lying down, you’re auto “flailing” scum.

@FL

Not yet convinced on Alch town but I think PB’s vote on you, on you did look opportunistic. I also didn’t like Mastina’s brief vote on TSE either but if you can convince me on Alch town and that scum is definitely on your wagon, PB’s vote on you is the worst imo.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

If you don’t think Mastina believes in her FL push, then how is that “the right thing” according to you?

~Fu

You didn't say hi!

I'll give you a pass for now for not saying hi!!

I meant that she's not 90% sure as she's preaching; mastina is super cereal about her percentages all the time, but this time I think she's pumping up her numbers 'cause it's FL we're talking about. I think it's the right thing because getting FL lynched is a pain in the ass so I would pump up my numbers too.

I thought you didn’t want to talk to me, because you acknowledged Dann but not me.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

By the way, Alch is conftown from my point of view, yay

UNVOTE:

Yeah, I don’t want to vote Alch anymore.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Mastina

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Care to explain this?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

A21 is a scum scum read of mine

Yes, I would powerlynch A50.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Elsa

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I thought you didn’t want to talk to me, because you acknowledged Dann but not me.

~Fu

Nancy Drew I would NEVER

But I’ve been wanting to talk to you since like September.

Elsa is acting like she wants to get lynched so she's probably not scum

You think she’s jester? Although we don’t even know there is one, there could also be a lyncher and her vote is the worst because I think FL towntold.

I don’t know how to read Mastina this game. She’s NAI for me rn. I have seen her make that kind of opening as both alignments. But I’ll have a better idea, if she stays on FL or I don’t tr her reasons for doing so.

[Past Present Future]

Funny you bring the lyncher alternative to the table Nancy 'cause that's what I think mastina is.

(I know I've been missing since Sept that's when I started my new job and new girlfriend too I'm sorry right now I have a little more spare time 'cause I got used to the job and my gf is in Chicago for 6 months)

Well, hit me up on Discord then if you get the chance.

Well, I suppose that’s possible. So you think her wincon is to lynch FL? I still don’t think he’s scum here and thus a bad vote. If Mastina’s lyncher, then why do you think Elsa would be trying to get lynched?

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Elsa

~Fu

Rude.

You switched from Mastina to FL without giving reasons for either and the timing is very suspicious because why now, when it looks like he’s towntold?

[Past Present Future]

Everytime Nancy posts I think she's saying "fuck u"

- Diana

Why do you think I picked “Future”?

Spoiler:

[Past Present Future]

Can people please vote or.
He’s now currently my strongest scum read.

Why?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Just look at FL's ISO lul

Ok, if Mena is scum *either way*, again, why weren't you voting him istead of FL?

And it was under a different account, and I dunno if it's outed or not, so I'm not gonna link it rn, you're gonna have to take my word for now

Is you putting us on Null related to Mist saying he's taking a backseat and then me continuing to post?

-D

Null because of your first post with or being a Town read.
I wasn’t on Mena because at the time I viewed FL as most likely scum with top wagon.
And another reason is Mena wasn’t Top Wagon.
TBH as long as my Town reads are still alive we can win via PoE.
As long as both Alchemist21 and Chk stay alive and don’t get miss lynched I’m all Gucci.

Still waiting for that game where you played with or.

People should stop voting FL

+1

FL made the most noise about Alchemist wagon, why would scum!FL do that?

I think he’s clearly wrong on chk but his going out on a limb for town!Alchemist, doesn’t really make any sense if he’s scum.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Alch and Dats Mist town, mastina and Elsa not scum, I don't like DEB

What are you doing with NM’s avatar?

~Future (I wrote out the whole word just for you <3)

[Past Present Future]

Well Miltank is technically a Pink Ball too

<3

Nancy is probably town in this game too, it's early to say but it would be my first guess

I just thought for a brief moment that he had replaced you. Who is Miltank?

[Past Present Future]

alimdia, meta.

huh?

Whoa y’all got busy.
If I am in a game with FL 9/10 times I’m going to RVS him and let it sit until I find a place where I actually wanna vote. If y’all try to wagon/kill him using my vote that’s not on me.

That sounds scummy as heck

Nobody giving you enough scum pings to move?
-D

I usually don’t get anything concrete until D2. But in this special case, I feel iffy about firebringer. He kept calling himself scum, I don’t know what to think about that honestly.

fuck, can I say that as well? (the nothing concrete until D2), feels like a free pass

Ok I'm caught up. Hi everyone!!

but but you ignored my post :c

1. If he flips town, we check who was the opportunistic scumfuck, 'cause there's always someone who will think "I'm afraid of FL, we must get rid of him as soon as possible".
2. We avoid future paranoia about FL's alignment 'cause that always happens.
3. If he's scum, yay us.

um if he flips town there would be 10 votes on him. How do you propose we find the 'opportunistic scumfuck'?

Elsa is acting like she wants to get lynched so she's probably not scum

pls no bring jester into this. if they get lynched game doesn't end

Your a scum read now.

It would be really helpful if you gave your reasons for your srs.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

why is alimdia a SR now TSE?
-D

-D

I would like to know that too.

And we really badly wanted Wilson from Castaway but “meanie” Jingle nixed it.

~ Fu

[Past Present Future]

why is alimdia a SR now TSE?
-D

-D

It’s what and how they posted the recent post they made.

You can’t expect us to know what you’re referring to, unless you actually spell it out for us.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

ahh i don't want a townread if i have to read.

next ur gonna ask me to read mastina posts. i know how this slippery slope.

~F

[Past Present Future]

Sorry not sorry? Not including yourself, the list is one name shy of literally half the remaining player list. It's such a fence sitty attempt at taking a stance or being edgy or some shit. I can't even

It’s hardly “fence sitty” this early into the game. Give her a break. Jesus.

[Past Present Future]

I like Caitlyn and Vi as League of Legends best lesbian couple.

Fight me.

~Passt

[Past Present Future]

hi Auro

-Leona

hi

you don't seem that into moonlogic?

~Passt

[Past Present Future]

Aren't you Titus? I thought past was Titus

why would you think I am Titus?

~Passt

[Past Present Future]

Aren't you Titus? I thought past was Titus

why would you think I am Titus?

~Passt

The hydra key Krazy posted said Past was Titus, did you change that?

Spoiler.

~Passt

[Past Present Future]

hi Auro

Heyy I'm present.
But am I really

@Whoever attacked Ank's "scum are in X" post, if she said "I am townreading {Playerlist-X}", would you have the same problems?
@Someone (Fire?) who called it an "rng" list, do you have a problem with any of her non-scumreads? Which?

-Present (Auro)

[Past Present Future]

I had sheeped Flavor's reasoning onto the chkflip wagon.
Nancy thinks deathtunneling is NAI, but his ISO doesn't look towny - does anyone have a case for town!him?
(Apart from his claim and desire to be lynched)

-Present (Auro)

[Past Present Future]

DEB, why not move your vote to Firebringer if he feels iffy?
We played before, but I don't recall - would you say you generally have (nearly) zero (meaningful) content at 30 pages of gameplay as town?

PB, hi! I don't believe you would want to lol lynch FL D1 as town. Do you have prior towngames where you advocate for a policy?

Mastina, are you willing to BoP yourself on a Flavor flip? Did you catch FL successfully in past games using this "tell"? Link the games, please.


Elsa, can you explain the vote change between Mastina and FL?

[Past Present Future]

I like Caitlyn and Vi as League of Legends best lesbian couple.

Fight me.

~Passt

Aren’t they sisters?

Ewww. No. Definitely not.

Pedit: You can TSE.

~Past

[Past Present Future]

DEB, why not move your vote to Firebringer if he feels iffy?
We played before, but I don't recall - would you say you generally have (nearly) zero (meaningful) content at 30 pages of gameplay as town?

I'll move it there if it's the hammer.
Generally D1 I won't give you too much, I'm here to have fun on D1. And that's from either alignment. Not much can be done on D1 imo. People have yelled at me saying D1 is the most important. Whatever. To each their own.

I think DEB is town.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

That does sound fun actually

I keep thinking you’re NM.

~F

[Past Present Future]

PPF
Eclipse
DM
Clover
TSE
DEB
FL
chk

I think this is all town.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Holupaminute, PPF = Past Present Future = PowerPuff Girls

Genius.

But without the fun memes. :/

[Past Present Future]

or feels linchbaity rather than scum. Alim on the other hand, feels lynchbaity rather than scum. Hahaha syke

Oh thank God, you switched your avatar back, it was driving me nuts.

~Future

[Past Present Future]

I’m liking CG and Or now. PB is growing on me - could possibly be in part, that he deep sixed the udders though.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

or feels linchbaity rather than scum. Alim on the other hand, feels lynchbaity rather than scum. Hahaha syke

Why lynchbait not scum?

Pls change ur avi back

-collector general

[Past Present Future]

OH also, what’s your read on Nancy?

That hydra is in my scummy side of null from what I remember but I struggle with Nancy and I know you’re good on her so I’d rather just sheep you on this

-collector general

Wow really?

How are you getting that?

[Past Present Future]

Ank, are you around? I’ll take Danny boi too

-collector general

I’m at work, but I can answer this while I’m on break. Ank is asleep.

I think you might be misunderstanding the way Ank approaches the game, or at least is approaching this game. The list she posted isn’t exactly “these are my scum reads” but “these people aren’t my town reads.” Meaning some of those, like Firebringer, are still null, but more likely to be scum than any of her town reads. I have a few divergences from her but I can answer the Alchemist question because I’ve scum reading him as well.

It mostly has to do with how he re-entered the thread after he pushed you. He had these really awkward pop ins that didn’t comment at all on the dearth of content that had happened, nor progress his push/engage with you at all. I can link these posts specifically when I get home later. It just felt like a really odd way to rejoin the thread from a town perspective. If that doesn’t make sense I’ll point out exactly what I mean when I’m not on my phone.

-Diana

It’s hard to tell with him. He was super obvscum in that TK game but otoh, he completely fooled me in SC 2, and it was kind of pinging me as well. I definitely did think he way over reacted to CG, so maybe?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

OH also, what’s your read on Nancy?

That hydra is in my scummy side of null from what I remember but I struggle with Nancy and I know you’re good on her so I’d rather just sheep you on this

-collector general

You will definitely sheep me about that slot and at first glance they're town, but Nancy is more readable under pressure (not necessarily wagoning her, but having to take a stance towards a wagon or another, for example, and that hasn't happened).

And it rarely does for me early game especially on D1. Once in a blue moon, I do get lucky however.

[Past Present Future]

Ah ok

idk i wanted to join in the conversation but didn't have much to say

-D

I don't know you but you seem nice. And Chem was towny early game so I like your slot.

What do you think of Collector, aside from them being like SUPER cute?

PB’s flirting again. My condolences Dann.

[Past Present Future]

Okay, let’s do it then:

VOTE: alim

-collector general

My bad.
Re-reading your posts you seem more genuine Town.
Your reaction towards Alchemist also comes from a town POV.

Your now on my town instead of scum Reads.

And this is a good vote.
VOTE: alim

Also reading more, Eclipse is now a scum read of mine.

Why is Eclipse a sr?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Also reading more, Eclipse is now a scum read of mine.

Elaborate.
-D

Do you have any idea, how many times we keep making near identical posts?

We must be doppelgänger hydras or something.

~F

[Past Present Future]

Regardless, I doubt anyone can catch me via meta.

+1

Yeah, I thought that was a weird post to make. Why doesn’t he say, I’m unreadable through meta, not that?

~F

[Past Present Future]

I didn't bring jester, you did. I said she's acting like she wants to get lynched, that's townie coming from her.

What post did I ignore? The one you said "ew what the fuck?" What do you want me to say about it?

My bad @alimdia, I replied to you without quoting or @ing you!

I thought it was a joke post you had 345 and wanted some explainations.

Gotta love defending myself from this BS case that appeared out of Mena meta'ing me and my relative low activity here, which I've already explained.

And also from Mena not masoning with me in neighbourhood chat then pushing me when I called scum in our neighbourhood PT

Why did you expect Mena to trust you enough to roleclaim immediately?

So the first thing is that we actually don't know who has access to the neighbourhood. My theory is that if there is a scum who has access, they would stay quiet and never post in there, and just get info from us. So then I thought Mena (collector) is town for talking with me in there. I then thought that my initial theory was too crazy, and that nothing is going to get done if we don't properly talk in there. So then I wanted to claim to each other, But I was fine with roleclaiming first in there btw, and then Mena just ghosted until I called him scum, then he started pushing me in thread.

Regardless, I doubt anyone can catch me via meta.

0 mention of my name in his whole ISO, apparently 'reading his mind' when I wasn't on his mind prior? Blatant sheep.

Um...him reading my mind had to do with the question he answered before I asked it...you know, the part where he said "if you're thinking..."...not you. Overly defensive much?

Gif is still gonna be true when I flip town cos that means Mena would be wrong
Nah just regular defensive. Also you had it in the same post as your vote so I assumed you were saying 'reading my mind that ali is scummy'.

alimidia & CG, very unlikely to be SvS, similar with FL/chk.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I plan on catching up tomorrow or the next day. That or at least get myself a foundation to get started. I have procrastinated on this because I detest day 1.

~Passt [Titus]

[Past Present Future]

I didn't bring jester, you did. I said she's acting like she wants to get lynched, that's townie coming from her.

What post did I ignore? The one you said "ew what the fuck?" What do you want me to say about it?

My bad @alimdia, I replied to you without quoting or @ing you!

I thought it was a joke post you had 345 and wanted some explainations.

Gotta love defending myself from this BS case that appeared out of Mena meta'ing me and my relative low activity here, which I've already explained.

And also from Mena not masoning with me in neighbourhood chat then pushing me when I called scum in our neighbourhood PT

Why did you expect Mena to trust you enough to roleclaim immediately?

So the first thing is that we actually don't know who has access to the neighbourhood. My theory is that if there is a scum who has access, they would stay quiet and never post in there, and just get info from us. So then I thought Mena (collector) is town for talking with me in there. I then thought that my initial theory was too crazy, and that nothing is going to get done if we don't properly talk in there. So then I wanted to claim to each other, But I was fine with roleclaiming first in there btw, and then Mena just ghosted until I called him scum, then he started pushing me in thread.

Regardless, I doubt anyone can catch me via meta.

0 mention of my name in his whole ISO, apparently 'reading his mind' when I wasn't on his mind prior? Blatant sheep.

Um...him reading my mind had to do with the question he answered before I asked it...you know, the part where he said "if you're thinking..."...not you. Overly defensive much?

Gif is still gonna be true when I flip town cos that means Mena would be wrong
Nah just regular defensive. Also you had it in the same post as your vote so I assumed you were saying 'reading my mind that ali is scummy'.

If you don’t know who has access to your hood, why not ask the mod? But why would you want whosever’s in there to roleclaim, if in your opinion, it isn’t safe? I would never want myself or anyone else to claim in my hypothetical insecure hood and why would you be shocked that calling Mena scum in your hood, would lead to him pushing you in the main thread?

Also, what reasoning did you provide for sr him in the first place?

I also don’t understand why you don’t know who’s in your hood? Did Krazy tell you other players may have access or something? because usually the members of the hood are known to all of their participants.

I honestly don’t understand your thinking here.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Here’s where my current reads are at.

Town Reads
PinkBall
Firebringer
Alchemist21
Chk
The Collectors
PenguinPower


Scum Reads
Or
Eclipse
Alimdia


Never SvS IMO:
FL - DEB
Alchemist21 - The Collectors
Firebringer - PinkBall

I am considering I’m putting Clover on my Scum reads but will hold off on that for now and see how his next posts come out.

Why is either Eclipse or Clover scum? and I don’t really understand Or either?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I don't mind Ali as a wagon but I don't think I'm townreading a single person on it. Obviously I'm missing something because it's not like all scum are on that wagon.

I don't know you but this comes across really genuine. You get my first townread.

~Passt

[Past Present Future]

So the first thing is that we actually don't know who has access to the neighbourhood. My theory is that if there is a scum who has access, they would stay quiet and never post in there, and just get info from us. So then I thought Mena (collector) is town for talking with me in there. I then thought that my initial theory was too crazy, and that nothing is going to get done if we don't properly talk in there. So then I wanted to claim to each other, But I was fine with roleclaiming first in there btw, and then Mena just ghosted until I called him scum, then he started pushing me in thread.

It’s really weird that you don’t even know for sure who’s in it. That said, why would you ever want to roleclaim if you thought there could be lurking scum who could see it? I don’t really see how that comes from a Town mindset.

VOTE: Alimdia

Fellas, even Mena can confirm that we don't know who has access to the hood unless they post.

What did Krazy say?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I'm pretty sure thats because we have an item that lets us use the hood, so when someone scavenges it, they get access to the hood.

As a followup to my last post since the quote fucked up, I even explained that I thought my initial theory was too crazy. Did you even read Alchemist?

Okay, so why do you then think it’s ever a good idea for you or Mena to roleclaim? I’m assuming there’s no one else in your hood yet other than you and Mena, right?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

So the first thing is that we actually don't know who has access to the neighbourhood. My theory is that if there is a scum who has access, they would stay quiet and never post in there, and just get info from us. So then I thought Mena (collector) is town for talking with me in there. I then thought that my initial theory was too crazy, and that nothing is going to get done if we don't properly talk in there. So then I wanted to claim to each other, But I was fine with roleclaiming first in there btw, and then Mena just ghosted until I called him scum, then he started pushing me in thread.

It’s really weird that you don’t even know for sure who’s in it. That said, why would you ever want to roleclaim if you thought there could be lurking scum who could see it? I don’t really see how that comes from a Town mindset.

VOTE: Alimdia

Fellas, even Mena can confirm that we don't know who has access to the hood unless they post.

What did Krazy say?

~Fu

Krazy said that I will know who has access to the neighborhood if they post in the hood and that there will be no mod confirmation on the number or identity of participants other than that

I'm pretty sure thats because we have an item that lets us use the hood, so when someone scavenges it, they get access to the hood.

As a followup to my last post since the quote fucked up, I even explained that I thought my initial theory was too crazy. Did you even read Alchemist?

Okay, so why do you then think it’s ever a good idea for you or Mena to roleclaim? I’m assuming there’s no one else in your hood yet other than you and Mena, right?

~Fu

I'm pretty sure thats because we have an item that lets us use the hood, so when someone scavenges it, they get access to the hood.

As a followup to my last post since the quote fucked up, I even explained that I thought my initial theory was too crazy. Did you even read Alchemist?

Yes I read it, I just don't really believe it. Like, I believe you when you say you don't have a definitive list of who's in the hood. What I don't believe is that you saw this, thought there could be secret scum in the hood, then decided it was a good idea to roleclaim. Even without that bit, you still haven't explained why you expected Mena to treat the hood as a Masonry as you proposed and just claim to you? Just because you claimed first doesn't mean anything because anyone who's played in Krazy's games know that scum have fakeclaims (and this is also explicitly stated in the rules for the game).

As I said, when Mena posted in the hood before me, I discarded my initial theory and started talking with him. I also felt like since the item we use to talk in the hood can be scavenged, there probably only is 2 people in the hood at a given time. In order to + trust, I figured claiming in there would be beneficial. Also scum have fake 'role' claims? I'm not talking about flavour. Then he ghosted.

But why would you expect him to trust you with role claims? and also, scum could potentially get access to your hood and the role claims will not get redacted.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

All Town are on a Scum Wagon of which you will probably join on later to try and not be too sus’ed.

Which wagon? How are you that confident?

Clover isn't scum. I barely saw his posts and it's obvious.

What's your PP read?

VOTE: TSE

~Paast

[Past Present Future]

I like how TSE literally quotes a post asking him to explain a read and doesn’t explain it anyway

Also Alch’s vote on alim is pretty opportunistic imo

-Mist

VOTE: Alchemist

Agreed and he’s just assuming without really trying to sort Alimida and none of my top 3 tr are on that wagon, which are Eclipse, Dats Mist, Clover.


Sorry Titus, I prefer this. You obviously haven’t caught up yet because no one is even voting Clover.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

THAT ALIMDIA WAGON PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

-SUN BITCH

Yep, looks extremely suspicious to me, the way it formed so quickly with pretty much no resistance. Unless you only have one scum left in the game, wagons forming suddenly with little to no resistance are always worrisome imo.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

without really trying to sort Alimid

This is bullshit. Sorting them is exactly what I’ve been doing. You and I have have even been asking them the same questions so how do you even come to the conclusion that I haven’t been sorting them?

No I was asking them questions, you otoh looked like you were confibiasing them.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Going to the gym now, I hope you guys behave while I'm out 'cause when I come back I expect to see this house just like I left it!

Okay Mom.

[Past Present Future]

For instance, I can get into lock soul reads decently easy with Elsa Jay, FlippyNips, and DEB.

I can go through all possibilities to make sure we don’t miss any tinfoils with the entirety of the Past, Present, Future hydra.

Alch/Menalque tend to be able to see where I’m coming from and vice versa.

And other people have this kind of thing with other people in the game as well, so your “Only The Chosen One Can Save Us” mindset looks incredibly scum motivated.

How are we “tinfoiling”?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Right, caught that there was an alimidia wagon here, and that's another read that there's a pertinent change on.
Alimidia was the other mistake I made other than the herpderp on Dats Mist (who, spoiler alert, are currently my top townread).
alimidia was originally so high because I thought they made posts which I gutread as town--this was a mistake as at the time of my readslist, they hadn't posted.
I was expecting them to be a much higher poster, so that read dropped initially...but like TSE whose posting increased, alimidia's posting went into territory which I thought was initially more likely to be town than scum.

It's still lower than I'd prefer to see and alimidia is not a top-tier townread from my skimreading and yes I desperately need to get a more nuanced read there which my readthrough will hopefully give me because there's still a rather significant chance of alimidia being scum, and I feel like a proper readthrough would give me a proper read on the slot to sort it properly. Right now it's a lazy "more likely town than not" read but given the wagon there I need to get it into a more firm definitive stance which I feel like I can do, I just need some time to do it.

I think Mastina is town here despite me disagreeing on her Eclipse read.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Yeah, this might be too weird even for mastina.

I'll look back in a little while.

What is “weird” about it?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@Nancy - What is clover like when he’s scum?

I have no clue, I’m just basing it on his play here. I have no meta with him.

[Past Present Future]

Currently keeping an eye on PPF and Mastina as they are in my Null Reads And I’d like to get a
Town/Scum Read on them next if I can.

If you think we’re scum you aren’t reading.

[Past Present Future]

For instance, I can get into lock soul reads decently easy with Elsa Jay, FlippyNips, and DEB.

I can go through all possibilities to make sure we don’t miss any tinfoils with the entirety of the Past, Present, Future hydra.

Alch/Menalque tend to be able to see where I’m coming from and vice versa.

And other people have this kind of thing with other people in the game as well, so your “Only The Chosen One Can Save Us” mindset looks incredibly scum motivated.

How are we “tinfoiling”?

~Fu

No, I meant, I can talk to all three of you about that in the hypotheticals. I was essentially stating how strong of a duo I can be with the entirety of your hydra as Town/Town in a general sense because I didn’t like Mastina’s take on “Ankamius is the chosen one” mentality.

I interpreted it to mean that she thinks obvtown!Ank dies early, similar to RC. I don’t quite get why she’d think scum!Ank would be useful though but I’m hard tr her slot regardless. I think she’s wrong on you though. You sound very similar here to No Deadlines’ game.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Currently keeping an eye on PPF and Mastina as they are in my Null Reads And I’d like to get a
Town/Scum Read on them next if I can.

If you think we’re scum you aren’t reading.

I’m thinking that I’m uncertain as to what your alignment is.

I’m sure it will become more obvious as the game progresses.

[Past Present Future]

@Nancy - What is clover like when he’s scum?

I have no clue, I’m just basing it on his play here. I have no meta with him.

Then why go and defend Clover like that?
What if he gets Day cop reveal confirmed as mafia?
What then?

“Day cop reveal”? What? His play here reads pretty townie to me so far and now I’m mindmelding with him on Mastina read, so I’m taking that as a good sign.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

This is getting incredibly boring. Meta matches up with mastina.

Can we, like, do something here? Beuller?

I mean we are currently lynching scum.
What else do you want to do?
I mean we can request cops and other TI’s on Mastina, Clover and PPF.
But other then That what else is there to do?

Great idea, let’s waste TPRs on town. Brilliant.

[Past Present Future]

You can murder Mastina to get her to make a better meta for herself?

Why do you want to kill town?

[Past Present Future]

In waiting for the hydras to die during the nightphase so we can have fun.

You keep talking like this, I might revote you. Dafuq?

[Past Present Future]

Not worthwhile, but I'd appreciate not having to listen and align 3 separate heads with conflicting personalities at once.

If the scum team could do me a solid and shoot there that would be great.

Are you jester? Because this sounds like it to me. Stop fucking gamethrowing.

[Past Present Future]

...But when you see my readslist at the end of my catchup post and if this remains unchanged, you'll see them listed as my second-highest townread in spite of the read, as a utility townread.
To explain what that means.
I actually think that this is probably Ankamius as scum, but.
We need her regardless of her alignment.

If she is town, we absolutely NEED her to have a hope at winning this game. Plus, scum will kill her N1 anyway and even if not, will kill her if she is town, no need for us to be suspicious of her.

If she is scum, we still NEED her because she's the sanest voice of reason we have and even with her being scum, we don't have a chance in fuck of having any semblance of cohesion without her help.

I'm sorry mastina

but what the fuck

- moon bitch

This must be Dann.

[Past Present Future]

Why are you singling out Ankamius here—someone with a remarkably strong scum game—as opposed to me, someone with a much weaker scum game? I'm trying not to be too distressed about being ignored here but it feels like an odd omission given I'm generally a much more polarized player than Ank.

When you get to your reads list, I'm most curious on how you're reading me specifically; it feels weird that you've singled out the harder to read player of this slot as a scum read and avoided mentioning me, who imo should be a much easier read.

Also, uh... If you're town, cut out the "utility town read" stuff please. We're both good town players but you're adding obfuscation to both the game and the ability to read you accurately. Don't admit the scum read from your reads list.

Dann, Mastina’s town here, trust me on this.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Can we wagon chkflip pl0x

-Present (Auro)

[Past Present Future]

We're super obv town, anyone who has us at null or lower is automatically a suspect.

-Present (Auro)

[Past Present Future]

This is getting incredibly boring. Meta matches up with mastina.

Can we, like, do something here? Beuller?

I mean we are currently lynching scum.
What else do you want to do?
I mean we can request cops and other TI’s on Mastina, Clover and PPF.
But other then That what else is there to do?

Great idea, let’s waste TPRs on town. Brilliant.

Does this mean you also think Mastina is Town?

If you say no, you are wolf claiming.

Are you somehow not been reading my posts or what?

I already said I hard tr her but nice try. Don’t hold your breath for any paragon noms anytime soon.

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

~Fu

@Auro no. <3

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

~Future

[Past Present Future]

Hi pot, meet kettle.

Am I supposed to understand what you mean by this?

Spoiler:

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

It's a pretty common adage.

I’m aware but what I don’t understand is why you’re saying it to me?

~con

fu

zzled

[Past Present Future]

You're insulting someone you have no business insulting, sunshine.

Excuse me? Let me know when you plan to stop talking in riddles, because I legit have no freaking clue what you’re even talking about.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

This is getting incredibly boring. Meta matches up with mastina.

Can we, like, do something here? Beuller?

I mean we are currently lynching scum.
What else do you want to do?
I mean we can request cops and other TI’s on Mastina, Clover and PPF.
But other then That what else is there to do?

Great idea, let’s waste TPRs on town. Brilliant.

Does this mean you also think Mastina is Town?

If you say no, you are wolf claiming.

Are you somehow not been reading my posts or what?

I already said I hard tr her but nice try. Don’t hold your breath for any paragon noms anytime soon.

You can murder Mastina to get her to make a better meta for herself?

Why do you want to kill town?

NM, just read this post.

I have.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Question:

Is Mastina town read when she is scum?

I think I may be the only person in this game who can read Mastina and I’m not quite sure how I feel about that but yeah, she’s definitely town here.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Question:

Is Mastina town read when she is scum?

I think I may be the only person in this game who can read Mastina and I’m not quite sure how I feel about that but yeah, she’s definitely town here.

~Fu

If Timeshift is any indication, Mastina often says things that are not apparent at a surface level until you look deeper.

[Past Present Future]

I am looking deeper. She’s sitting back and waiting for other scum to do stuff. And says a bunch, then waits for another opportune time.

Also, does scumMastina not do that kind of thing? Why wouldn’t scumMastina try to mimic that town thing?

Yes, that’s why I was nullreading her initially, because I have seen her play similarly as scum. The reason why I’m so sure she’s town here, is the very clear to me, anyway - townie motivation behind her most recent posts, very similar to Timeshift imo. I initially wrongly sr her in that game because she was pushing my slot for ridiculous reasons but then she made it clear that she was actually trying - unfortunately unsuccessfully - prevent my slot’s mislynch by forcing my slot to obvtown. She clearly saw it but unfortunately not enough other players did and then she tried hard to prevent it. Unfortunately, the woats in the game mislynched her two days after our townflip, where by any iota of logic, she ought to have been townlocked because of that.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I know how Town Mastina works. I’m incredibly thankful for it when I’m scum against her because I just have to help guide her along until she breaks, and then get her mislynched. Mastina town reads me when I’m scum. She scum reads me when I’m town.

Except for Restless Spirits. What was her read on you in Vengeful Ghosts? I can’t remember.

[Past Present Future]

I still haven't read. I still want PP roped.

[Past Present Future]

I still haven't read. I still want PP roped.

Forgot to sign.

~Past (Titus)

[Past Present Future]

Is it to late to officially change our hydra name to “Schizo Hydra“ instead of PPF, I wonder?

Spoiler:

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I still haven't read. I still want PP roped.

I’m currently null on them but agree they do look kind of scummy, I suppose?

Can you elaborate more, @Titus?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@Fu, Sure can. When I entered, PP scumread Clover. Clover should be locktown to someone of his skill. Second, PP accused me of reading more than I actually had. Third, he is a rather passive and bad vote on Ali to me. Fourth, he just feels to hostile. Particularly when I asked TSE for his read on him.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

@Fu, Sure can. When I entered, PP scumread Clover. Clover should be locktown to someone of his skill.

Second, PP accused me of reading more than I actually had.

Third, he is a rather passive and bad vote on Ali to me. Fourth, he just feels to hostile. Particularly when I asked TSE for his read on him.

~Titus

Seems like you’ve barely seen a lot of posts.

Wrt the bolded, I think you misunderstood. I think he thought you hadn’t been fully caught up on the thread.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Heads of a hydra talking amongst themselves. Because that's not what a PT is for, no. Hydra dissonance is why I forever distaste for them. Side note: echoing Jay here as well.

[Past Present Future]

Stalled wagons are typically scum wagons.

Why?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@chk, do you plan to be annoying all game, specifically to me? Because it’s counterproductive, so kindly knock it tf off. Please and thank you.

Fu

[Past Present Future]

Question:

Is Mastina town read when she is scum?

I think I may be the only person in this game who can read Mastina and I’m not quite sure how I feel about that but yeah, she’s definitely town here.

~Fu

shit like this is exactly why I avoid playing with you

-Leona

Why? What exactly is your issue with that?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@Ank, if you’re going to criticize me for virtually no reason, I at least deserve an explanation. Otherwise, your post just comes across as kind of mean-spirited. And yeah, it totally is because of that last part, so not cool. :/

[Past Present Future]

because statements like that are both completely useless in moving the discussion forward as well as arrogant

if you think she's locktown, then describe exactly why she's locktown, don't use a BoP argument that we should just accept she's town just because you think she is

-Leona

It wasn’t intended to come across as arrogant. Why isn’t her play in Timeshift enough for you to understand what I’m talking about? You just need to read and reread and then reread her most recent posts some more and discern if her motivation is protown or scum and to me it’s blatantly protown and yes because - and excuse the incorrectly inferred “arrogance” here but did it ever cross your mind that I may actually be right here or you just can’t imagine that I’m capable of correctly reading her motivation here?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Stalled wagons are typically scum wagons.

Oh yeah we’re definitely on a scum wagon RN.
Scum appears to be attempting to get us off of it before it’s too late.
But they are figuring we have the Town Tree in place.
With that, Scum Auto Loses.

Or, scum are just perfectly fine with the gamestate with a stalled wagon on town ali. If a wagon is stalled and it's on scum what are the other scum doing right now? I don't get how you think stalled=scum when it's more than likely the opposite. Even if I dislike using that line of logic at all, if you're going to go down it I'd question how you come to that answer.

+1

When people push wagons without adequately explaining them and expect you to be somehow psychic as to why they’re scum and just take their word on it, it drives me nuts.

*/in before I get called a hypocrite wrt my Mastina read but sometimes explaining why you hard tr a slot isn’t always protown, and that’s all I’m going to say about it.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

because statements like that are both completely useless in moving the discussion forward as well as arrogant

if you think she's locktown, then describe exactly why she's locktown, don't use a BoP argument that we should just accept she's town just because you think she is

-Leona

It wasn’t intended to come across as arrogant. Why isn’t her play in Timeshift enough for you to understand what I’m talking about? You just need to read and reread and then reread her most recent posts some more and discern if her motivation is protown or scum and to me it’s blatantly protown and yes because - and excuse the incorrectly inferred “arrogance” here but did it ever cross your mind that I may actually be right here or you just can’t imagine that I’m capable of correctly reading her motivation here?

~Fu

I'm not answering this until mastina comes back into the thread

her response is heavily alignment indicative I think

-Leona

Fair enough.

[Past Present Future]

Unless there is a wagon on mastina or Ank, I am happy to defer my read to Nancy there. Both are skilled, talkative and vote a lot. So the can lead us to more scum if they are. I think Ank and mastina share an alignment.

I'll be out most of this real world day.

@Nancy, tag me on discord when you're available/unavailable please. I am trying to give this more priority.

Also, lynch PP.

[Past Present Future]

Unless there is a wagon on mastina or Ank, I am happy to defer my read to Nancy there. Both are skilled, talkative and vote a lot. So the can lead us to more scum if they are. I think Ank and mastina share an alignment.

I'll be out most of this real world day.

@Nancy, tag me on discord when you're available/unavailable please. I am trying to give this more priority.

Also, lynch PP.

~Past (Titus)

[Past Present Future]

Question:

Is Mastina town read when she is scum?

I think I may be the only person in this game who can read Mastina and I’m not quite sure how I feel about that but yeah, she’s definitely town here.

~Fu

shit like this is exactly why I avoid playing with you

-Leona

Why? What exactly is your issue with that?

~Fu

Has there typically been friction between you two in the past?

We have very different methods on forming our reads and tend to sometimes clash on them.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Unless there is a wagon on mastina or Ank, I am happy to defer my read to Nancy there. Both are skilled, talkative and vote a lot. So the can lead us to more scum if they are. I think Ank and mastina share an alignment.

I'll be out most of this real world day.

@Nancy, tag me on discord when you're available/unavailable please. I am trying to give this more priority.

Also, lynch PP.

Yes, Ank and Mastina very likely do share the same alignment - town.

I’m still null on Penguin but I think at least one scum on ali wagon is quite likely.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Do you mean PB?

&J?

Yes, we should absolutely powerlynch peanut butter, since I’m highly allergic.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Welp, atleast Hectic won't be boring.

nor difficult.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Also, my role is ridiculously overpowered. I'm surprised Krazy would even put something like this into the game. I tried to tell him it was just too much upon subbing in, and that people would probably blacklist me post-game for even being associated with this monstrosity of a role, but then he promised me a free copy of overwatch 2 if I stayed, so whatever.

I thought Krazy would never do the guilty child thing ever again.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Ali (Alisae hydra)

Reasons? or are you just trolling the mod?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

The second one is really what made it. DVa locktown.

Wag is lockscum here, we need to powerlynch that.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I suppose technically I'm an alt. I played a handful of games here ages ago before going to other sites mafia universe. Decided to try out longer deadlines over here since work is picking up. Does that answer your question?

What is your MU name? I'm Titus there too.

~Past (Titus)

[Past Present Future]

Don’t hold your breath for any paragon noms anytime soon.

???????

He was wrongly sr me.

~Future

[Past Present Future]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

He doesn’t appreciate you the way that I do

-collector general

You have a point, I've been obsessed with danny since he rejected me for a dance.. but he's so cool, look at him

[Past Present Future]

He doesn’t appreciate you the way that I do

-collector general

You have a point, I've been obsessed with danny since he rejected me for a dance.. but he's so cool, look at him

You gotta leave that feeling behind, babe

Be with someone who wants you for who you are, not who’s gonna play that hot and cold game, rejecting you for dances one minute, hitting on you the next

I just want you to be happy

-collector general

Spoiler:

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Past Present Penguin Power

He’s obviously a secret member of our hydra, I thought everybody already knew that.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

Pink Ball was my buddy in that game.

I must mean 3 then. Were you scum or town in 3? I don’t remember.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Best Vigilante Shoots - Or and Eclipse
Only people that disagree with this because LOL - Clover, PPF, Mastina (we don’t consider Alim because they confirmed lynched scum)

You don’t know what the flip will be before it happens and why are you telegraphing vig shots? Do we even know one even exists? And how is one of my top town reads a good vig shot?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

Pink Ball was my buddy in that game.

I must mean 3 then. Were you scum or town in 3? I don’t remember.

~Fu

I was Town in 3.

Did PB read you correctly in that?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

That was a wild ride. But not a scum ride

I don’t think we should be sheeping TSE’s reads since I think Or is town here. @FL, @Deb, are you honestly sr Mastina or just trying to pl her? Being annoying especially since she was doing it (eventhough she obviously shouldn’t have) to make a point, so I don’t see how that makes her scum.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

Pink Ball was my buddy in that game.

I must mean 3 then. Were you scum or town in 3? I don’t remember.

~Fu

I was Town in 3.

Did PB read you correctly in that?

~Fu

He gave me an early Townread, told everyone including you to trust his read on me because of sc2, and towards the end of D1 did a reaction test and said he hadn’t really sorted me yet.

So kinda.

UNVOTE:

You don’t seem off here like you did in TK game.

@PB what is your Mena read?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

In waiting for the hydras to die during the nightphase so we can have fun.

What makes you think they're particularly worthwhile kills?

Heads of a hydra talking amongst themselves. Because that's not what a PT is for, no. Hydra dissonance is why I forever distaste for them. Side note: echoing Jay here as well.

@Hectic, what is your reaction to this? It reads like chk did a complete 180 here.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Gotta love defending myself from this BS case that appeared out of Mena meta'ing me and my relative low activity here, which I've already explained.

And also from Mena not masoning with me in neighbourhood chat then pushing me when I called scum in our neighbourhood PT

Why would you expect Mena to mason with you? And if you called him scum in your hood, why would you be shocked at him pushing you?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Kidney beans

-jj

message received:
VOTE: Collectors

Reasons?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Mastina

mastina is hard town.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Bunch of scavengers in this town.

Are you town here, Hectic?

VOTE: Hectic

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@mod would it against the rules to quote from a public thread on site, neither involving an ongoing game or from a private forum/thread?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Lul, I'm not chk...

I ISOed her and she doesn't feel like the town!Mastina I've played with. She has crazy confidence on reads with very little reasoning provided very early on. And the spammy thing recently doesn't feel completely sincere.

None of that is scum indicative for Mastina, it’s 100% NAI.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@mod would it against the rules to quote from a public thread on site, neither involving an ongoing game or from a private forum/thread?

~Fu

In general any 'outside influence' is discouraged

But it should be okay if it’s public and doesn’t involve an ongoing game. Quotes from a sign up thread were used in SC 1 and you didn’t object, so why would you have a problem with it now?

You can quote completed games and any locked thread in general. Please do not quote unlocked topics where people can reply or threads that people don't have general access to (gtkas). Prolonged discussion of off topic material is also prohibited.

What if the unlocked topics are public? Why is that not okay?

[Past Present Future]

Lul, I'm not chk...

I ISOed her and she doesn't feel like the town!Mastina I've played with. She has crazy confidence on reads with very little reasoning provided very early on. And the spammy thing recently doesn't feel completely sincere.

According to a public post by tw, what you’re describing is 100% NIA for Mastina and therefore, a bad reason to vote her.

This is what I got the mod’s express permission to post. I’m allowed to paraphrase not link until further notice. :/

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Lul, I'm not chk...

I ISOed her and she doesn't feel like the town!Mastina I've played with. She has crazy confidence on reads with very little reasoning provided very early on. And the spammy thing recently doesn't feel completely sincere.

According to a public post by tw, what you’re describing is 100% NIA for Mastina and therefore, a bad reason to vote her.

This is what I got the mod’s express permission to post. I’m allowed to paraphrase not link/direct quote until further notice. :/

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Hmm...not interested.

We should cfd you.

~Past

[Past Present Future]

Because you have wonderful reasons for tunneling on me!

I am quite flattered.

Since when do scum admit my reasons are good?

Hell, scumslips don't get voteparked in larges.

This wagon is static with no counter. It's flipping town. I'd vote it to avoid a no lynch but that's it.

Care to fabricate reads?

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

I'm town [redacted] neighbour

I have a solar powered walkie talkie, so I can talk in the neighbourhood during day.

I also have 2 rounds of light ammo, Usable in any small or light firearm and 4 rounds of heavy weapons ammo usable in any assault weapon or automatic rifle.

Take that as you will.

What is the redacted part of this?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

After killing me, definitely look at Mena for reasons I posted just now, and maybe CSE too.

You mean TSE, don’t you?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I'm town [redacted] neighbour

I have a solar powered walkie talkie, so I can talk in the neighbourhood during day.

I also have 2 rounds of light ammo, Usable in any small or light firearm and 4 rounds of heavy weapons ammo usable in any assault weapon or automatic rifle.

Take that as you will.

After killing me, definitely look at Mena for reasons I posted just now, and maybe CSE too.

You didn't even full claim, so why are you talking like this is your last will, and we're going to kill you?

He’s very likely to be the lynch unless we do a last minute CFD or something.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@Future: A link to another game where she does this would be helpful, but I'm struggling to believe her being so confident on scum!FL, and a couple of other scumreads on page 7. And the spammy thing feels more flashy than something she sincerely feels is necessary.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79507&user_select%5B%5D=28641

[Past Present Future]

Well theres a couple days left only and everyone on my wagon is basically tunneled on me exclusive of all else, other than Mena pointing at matsina a bit, which is similar to what he did in GnR3.

And er yeah I left a bit out in case I survive

Can you link that game?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

anyone here and interested in talking

-Leona

Yes.

[Past Present Future]

Because you have wonderful reasons for tunneling on me!

I am quite flattered.

Since when do scum admit my reasons are good?

Hell, scumslips don't get voteparked in larges.

This wagon is static with no counter. It's flipping town. I'd vote it to avoid a no lynch but that's it.

Care to fabricate reads?

~Titus

Mastina could be the counter. If Alimida flips scum, then I’d look to both wagons. If town, probably just that wagon?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Because you have wonderful reasons for tunneling on me!

I am quite flattered.

Since when do scum admit my reasons are good?

Hell, scumslips don't get voteparked in larges.

This wagon is static with no counter. It's flipping town. I'd vote it to avoid a no lynch but that's it.

Care to fabricate reads?

~Titus

And yet, miraculously, as it comes closer to being lynched people (see: or, you) are shopping around for an alternative

-collector general

Nah, Titus is actually hard sr that slot and Auro is still hard sr chk slot.

[Past Present Future]

@nancy:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

-collector general

Well, your scumgame has clearly greatly improved since Surprise.

Wrt Alimida, he does seem different here, less wooden.

CG, it’s actually based on this, hard to accurately meta read you but both of you seemed to be somewhat lamisty in GNR.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Because you have wonderful reasons for tunneling on me!

I am quite flattered.

Since when do scum admit my reasons are good?

Hell, scumslips don't get voteparked in larges.

This wagon is static with no counter. It's flipping town. I'd vote it to avoid a no lynch but that's it.

Care to fabricate reads?

~Titus

And yet, miraculously, as it comes closer to being lynched people (see: or, you) are shopping around for an alternative

-collector general

Nah, Titus is actually hard sr that slot and Auro is still hard sr chk slot.

Why does Auro hard SR chk!slot?

I don’t really think you shopping around is scummy but mostly because I’m sold on PB town and I trust him to read you particularly

-collector general

He hasn’t been around that much lately but probably in part due to FL’s reasoning? I’m not really sure. I was tr that slot but I’m suspicious of Hectic’s Mastina vote, which is why I don’t have as strong an opinion on it as Titus. I think if there’s scum on Alimida, it’s probably not you though and definitely not DM.

What I find really fascinating is that Mastina is getting sr for having too much confidence on reads, which is actually NIA for her but we’re not really seeing that with TSE, who is actually going so far as lining up hypothetical vigshots. Having never played with him before I have no clue whether or not he’s tunnelly town or scum but I like his Mastina read, so . . . eh?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

In my experience (I’m mostly basing this on pfup but I think I’ve seen him scum somewhere else too) alch is very passive

Him coming to push me as scummy is something I think coming from a towny mindset

I also think very few people really get how I approach the game, and I think people who are encountering me as town for the first time when they’re town (which is what I think this is for alch) tend to SR my play because they don’t know what to make of it — if you think back, you did this yourself in AvP on D1 and acknowledged that I’m the type of player who gives you false positives

So I think this coming from alch is actually pretty strongly indicative of town not seeing what I’m doing or not understanding it and that lack of comprehension translating into a SR instead of trying to break out of the frame he’s approaching my play from within

-collector general

my general experience with alch is that he's more actively 'in' the game than this, like being more willing to stick his neck out

I don't think I've ever played with him as scum (except for one game like... half a decade ago) but his entrance to this game so lukewarm and it really hasn't improved, nor has his content

-Leona

It’s legit hard for me to tell. In TK game, he was flaming obvscum but he fooled me in SC 2. PB has locktowned him here but I am still null on his slot.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@nancy:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

-collector general

Well, your scumgame has clearly greatly improved since Surprise.

Wrt Alimida, he does seem different here, less wooden.

CG, it’s actually based on this, hard to accurately meta read you but both of you seemed to be somewhat lamisty in GNR.

~Fu

Thanks! That was very much still a learning point for me and me imitating stuff I didn’t understand while trying to find my own style

Did you just skim our ISOs there or?

-collector general

Yeah, I’m wondering if it could possibly be a tvt here but then I would obviously have a more accurate read on both of you, if either/both of you could possibly paraphrase in detail what happened in your PT?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@ank okay, I think it would be strange for scum!alch to push the idea of scum!me when he first said I felt scummy because it’s just like a very obviously weak thing to push on

And I can see how this

Your posts to both me and FL have felt like you were buddying andptrying to not to make enemies. I’m not even sure who you are that you would want to policy me.

would be a rational way to view my play there if you didn’t know how I play

What I meant by “not breaking his frame” is like, he sees certain behaviours as scum!indicstive I think (e.g. friendly behaviour as trying to buddy and buddying as something scum does), and of those behaviours are approached from within that framework then yes, the person doing them will seem scummy. If he was to engage my behaviour

on my own terms

and still argue that was +scum for me, it would be him shitpushing something he knew was NAI which is in itself scummy

But given that he didn’t know who it was at the time (I believe he hadn’t checked the hydra key) then he was just seeing something he thought was a scum behaviour and pushing it

-collector general

I think you’re town, so agreeing with PB here, who Titus hard tr. Like I already stated, whatever Alimida’s flip, and I still think town based off his emotional reactions which seem genuine but I definitely think regardless of flip, outside of Dats Mist and you, at least one scum is on his wagon.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

up to that post, I really don't think Alimdia is scum

the way he's indignantly shouting looks like town that finds the reasoning for the wagon completely ridiculous, and I'm not seeing the squirming that scum usually do when they think they're caught for bad reasons or for no reason at all, I'm just seeing him just yell about the same things like it's obvious he's not scum for that

the datisi and alchemist votes were especially bad compared to the rest

-Leona

+1

Yeah, his emotional reaction to it seems genuine. I hard tr DM though. But I disliked Alchemist’s initial push on CG even more. Him accusing GM of pocketing him and FL seemed kind of over the top to me but PB seems convinced on him town but based on SC 2, I could still see it. \_0_/

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I think tse is someone who trended towards toxicly arrogant in his reads but who is actively working on that since his return to site and stuff like him trying to line up vig shots is probably more indicative of that trend within him than it is AI

With regard to mastina.. idk, I feel like her being this confident in her reads is off for her? Like normally I think she’s a lot more hedging as town and talks more about how she has lots of flaws as a player and with her own reads, and that hasn’t been happening here like at all. She’s seemed crazy confident in herself being right in a way that doesn’t seem consistent with what I’ve previously seen in town!her doubting whether she’s got it right. Like I’ve seen her be confident in PoE pools or on townreads, I don’t think I’ve ever seen her enter a game and push someone as scum as hard as she pushed FL on as little evidence/reasoning as she had

Also, does this mean you’re not SRing alim either?

Also why do you think dats/mist are town?

-collector general

Is this addressed to me?

Their constant questioning of TSE’s ridiculously confident sr without giving any really good explanation for them as well as mindmelding with me on a lot of things but I don’t really like their vote on Alimida but they seem so obvtown otherwise.

I agree with Ank wrt Alilida’s reactions. It doesn’t read scummy to me.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

With regard to mastina.. idk, I feel like her being this confident in her reads is off for her? Like normally I think she’s a lot more hedging as town and talks more about how she has lots of flaws as a player and with her own reads, and that hasn’t been happening here like at all. She’s seemed crazy confident in herself being right in a way that doesn’t seem consistent with what I’ve previously seen in town!her doubting whether she’s got it right. Like I’ve seen her be confident in PoE pools or on townreads, I don’t think I’ve ever seen her enter a game and push someone as scum as hard as she pushed FL on as little evidence/reasoning as she had

there is a pretty significant difference between mastina's town!confidence and scum!confidence

the way she's been showing her confidence so far is scum!confidence

-Leona

Really? I don’t think so and I really wish I had a hood with you and Dann to explain why I think you’re wrong. In Timesshift, she was initially hard pushing our slot for ludicrous reasons as lockscum, Then later, she claimed she had done that to push us (me and Ari) to obvtown. Then she did a complete 180 on our slot and went out on a limb to try to prevent our mislynch. As you obviously know, she flipped town in that,

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@nancy:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

-collector general

Well, your scumgame has clearly greatly improved since Surprise.

Wrt Alimida, he does seem different here, less wooden.

CG, it’s actually based on this, hard to accurately meta read you but both of you seemed to be somewhat lamisty in GNR.

~Fu

Thanks! That was very much still a learning point for me and me imitating stuff I didn’t understand while trying to find my own style

Did you just skim our ISOs there or?

-collector general

Yeah, I’m wondering if it could possibly be a tvt here but then I would obviously have a more accurate read on both of you, if either/both of you could possibly paraphrase in detail what happened in your PT?

~Fu

That’s easy, it’s 8 posts

First two are krazy explaining what the thread is and then announcing the day has started and the walkie talkies are now working

Next two are first me politely saying hi then demanding in all caps to know who the fuck else is in there

Next 2 are alim first saying hi back then saying he has a plan

Then I tell him to tell me what the plan is

The next two are first him saying we could treat it as a masonry and claim to each other

Then him saying that he thinks I’m scum

-collector general

Wouldn’t scum!Alimida be more likely to try harder to pocket you? Because I think if scum, he would obviously have an agenda and it would therefore be important to get you onboard, so him calling you “scum” while obviously silly, would seem to be contrary to whatever scum agenda he would have been pushing. right? It sounds more to me like bad town impulsively jumping to a bad conclusion than anything else. I still don’t understand his thinking wrt to either the masonry thing or the roleclaim but it sounds like he sincerely believed it.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

Because you have wonderful reasons for tunneling on me!

I am quite flattered.

Since when do scum admit my reasons are good?

Hell, scumslips don't get voteparked in larges.

This wagon is static with no counter. It's flipping town. I'd vote it to avoid a no lynch but that's it.

Care to fabricate reads?

~Titus

And yet, miraculously, as it comes closer to being lynched people (see: or, you) are shopping around for an alternative

-collector general

Nah, Titus is actually hard sr that slot and Auro is still hard sr chk slot.

Why does Auro hard SR chk!slot?

I don’t really think you shopping around is scummy but mostly because I’m sold on PB town and I trust him to read you particularly

-collector general

He hasn’t been around that much lately but probably in part due to FL’s reasoning? I’m not really sure. I was tr that slot but I’m suspicious of Hectic’s Mastina vote, which is why I don’t have as strong an opinion on it as Titus. I think if there’s scum on Alimida, it’s probably not you though and definitely not DM.

What I find really fascinating is that Mastina is getting sr for having too much confidence on reads, which is actually NIA for her but we’re not really seeing that with TSE, who is actually going so far as lining up hypothetical vigshots. Having never played with him before I have no clue whether or not he’s tunnelly town or scum but I like his Mastina read, so . . . eh?

~Fu

Can we move past this? Because this is not the reason.

So what is then? It was for Hectic.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

@Nancy - I think you should realize that you’re likely gonna hard town read at least 1 scum.

As is the case for most people. Scum like to pocket different people in the game and they spread out and position themselves to do so. Town have limited information, so early game it’s extremely likely that it happens.

Possibly, wouldn’t necessarily surprise me based on some recent games.

Well Mastina’s never wrongly sr me, so if she did say I was scum here, I would 100% think she was scum in this game. Now in MBoS, she also obvtown read my slot. What made that different was that, my slot in that game wasn’t being widely tr and she really seemed kind of off to me in that - similar to how she did in RC uPick and Minuet. She also seemed pretty genuine in trying to out SS fake post-restriction thing. I also liked SS’ response to that as well.

I wish I could be in a masonry and fully explain why I feel so confident on her town. I think some of her recent posts prior to the spam thing, she was in her Mastina way showed a clear townie motivation. The problem for me is if I’m right about that and I think I am, wrt to what she was trying to accomplish in them and I actually state what I think that is, I would then be undermining it.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Where’s your head at now papa leaf?

-collector general

Not really sure, tbh. I don’t feel I’m in this game right now.

I have reads, but they don’t boil down to scum and town reads, if that makes sense.

I think I want to look into Nancy’s town reads to find scum, because I’m like...99% sure that scum is being town read by her, and just letting it happen.

Ouch. :/

[Past Present Future]

With regard to mastina.. idk, I feel like her being this confident in her reads is off for her? Like normally I think she’s a lot more hedging as town and talks more about how she has lots of flaws as a player and with her own reads, and that hasn’t been happening here like at all. She’s seemed crazy confident in herself being right in a way that doesn’t seem consistent with what I’ve previously seen in town!her doubting whether she’s got it right. Like I’ve seen her be confident in PoE pools or on townreads, I don’t think I’ve ever seen her enter a game and push someone as scum as hard as she pushed FL on as little evidence/reasoning as she had

there is a pretty significant difference between mastina's town!confidence and scum!confidence

the way she's been showing her confidence so far is scum!confidence

-Leona

Really? I don’t think so and I really wish I had a hood with you and Dann to explain why I think you’re wrong. In Timesshift, she was initially hard pushing our slot for ludicrous reasons as lockscum, Then later, she claimed she had done that to push us (me and Ari) to obvtown. Then she did a complete 180 on our slot and went out on a limb to try to prevent our mislynch. As you obviously know, she flipped town in that,

~Fu

X

???

Why the X? Are you seriously suggesting that isn’t what happened in that game? I was there and I have a great memory.

[Past Present Future]

Where’s your head at now papa leaf?

-collector general

Not really sure, tbh. I don’t feel I’m in this game right now.

I have reads, but they don’t boil down to scum and town reads, if that makes sense.

I think I want to look into Nancy’s town reads to find scum, because I’m like...99% sure that scum is being town read by her, and just letting it happen.

I mean it doesn’t make super lots of sense, no, can you explain some more?

Also, like why specifically at Nancy’s townpool and not like mine, ank’s, PB’s...?

-collector general

He doesn’t have a lot of faith in my reads apparently. :/

[Past Present Future]

Where’s your head at now papa leaf?

-collector general

Not really sure, tbh. I don’t feel I’m in this game right now.

I have reads, but they don’t boil down to scum and town reads, if that makes sense.

I think I want to look into Nancy’s town reads to find scum, because I’m like...99% sure that scum is being town read by her, and just letting it happen.

Ouch. :/

No shade. I feel like if you can put together and not clear people based on town reads and figure out scum actively doing that, you’ll have a few full game solves coming your way.

Noted, I’m not locking in anyone yet and I will prioritize play/votes > meta. I still think meta mattters but not when it contradicts the other two.

[Past Present Future]

I think that red X triggers me.

It’s really hella annoying anyway and I really wish Ank would stop doing it. She tells you either she thinks you’re wrong about something and/or dislikes your posts for some unexplained reason, then expects you to be psychic in understanding why.

[Past Present Future]

The hard part is feeling like I can't really join in on any of the meta talks, I feel like I'm just peaking over at the cool kids lunch table trying to understand what they're saying.

Spoiler:

[Past Present Future]

I think that red X triggers me.

It’s really hella annoying anyway and I really wish Ank would stop doing it. She tells you either she thinks you’re wrong about something and/or dislikes your posts for some unexplained reason, then expects you to be psychic in understanding why.

(I quite like it tbh)

-collector general

I would if it actually came with an explanation attached.

[Past Present Future]

Alimdia lynch is still a good choice btw. I called them out on the rolefishing and they engaged with it, so when they say there’s no case it’s not true but they’re getting away with saying that because of people who want to say my vote was bad.

Chemist called me opportunistic but their other head is voting Alimdia so ???
Nancy said I was confbiasing which really confuses me they were asking the same questions I was just without the vote.
Ank didn’t say anything but yikes.

And I don’t think Alimdia turning around and calling you scum because you didn’t reply is Towny. Maybe I spend too much time on reddit but

it reminds me of NiceGuys(TM) who try to get someone’s attention and when it doesn’t work they resort to negging

.

I was trying to understand their mindset, where as you already seemed to have your mind made up. I just don’t understand the scum motivation for alimdia calling CG scum in their hood unless it was an omgus. Regardless of whatever Alimidia flips, I think CG is town.

@Alimdia, what is your take on my CG tr?

“NiceGuys(TM)” may be colossal assholes but they actually believe the bs they spew, so I really don’t get that comparison.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I feel like any CFD at this point in the day with the gamestate being as stagnant as it is will probably hit town

and I feel like alimdia probably flips town here too? Although I might take flippy over alimdia just because he's a complete non factor

An Alchemist lynch would be fantastic though

-Diana

VOTE: Alchemist

Auro sr him and our entire hydra thinks Alimdia is probably flipping town. I would lynch Nips over Alimdia but I’m a dead null on that slot so far.

~Future

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

[Past Present Future]

god you're scummy

Reason number 4675 not to vote Ali.

PP's ISO has been vote parked hot garbage.

I'm ok with Auro's meta read.

[Past Present Future]

Not like it isn't obvious but this is Past.

I should be here on and off most of the day.

[Past Present Future]

While I appreciate your other heads your herp derp PP scum tunnel is becoming annoying.

Well tunneling on scum gets annoying to them.

I'll reassess once the bullets fly and there are votes to tabulate. There is a reason I am Past after all.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Although 1546 and 1547 were fairly scummy tbh

Highlighting that you've decided the conclusion before the posts happened isn't scummy.

It's the same thing you're bitching about from me but in different words.

Ali: No matter how my wagon moves, I am allegedly scummy.
PP: That's scummy. Also no matter what I do Titus says it's scummy.

Just figured the irony is good here.

~,Past

[Past Present Future]

Still don't know what CFD means.

Chinese Fire Drill. It's basically where people move en mass.

~Past

[Past Present Future]

Is Firebringer a Mastina alt?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

We vote Alim!
Alchemist is most obv Town in this entire game.
Eclipse is an easy scum flip if Alim is Scum.
PPF can now be a scum read.

And you can now be a woat - sorry Dann but he’s kind of asking for it. \_0_/

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

I feel like any CFD at this point in the day with the gamestate being as stagnant as it is will probably hit town

and I feel like alimdia probably flips town here too? Although I might take flippy over alimdia just because he's a complete non factor

An Alchemist lynch would be fantastic though

-Diana

VOTE: Alchemist

Auro sr him and our entire hydra thinks Alimdia is probably flipping town. I would lynch Nips over Alimdia but I’m a dead null on that slot so far.

~Future

Why nipperz, Nancy?

-collector general

I don’t want to lynch Nips today because he’s a null read. I understand Penguin’s LNT thing but we really don’t have enough info on him yet.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

prodding DVa

Just freaking replace that useless lurksack.

[Past Present Future]

okay there's only 5 votes there
VOTE: Alch
-D

ALCHEMIST IS CONFIRMED TOWN!
I HARDCLAIM DAY COP WITH A GREEN CHECK ON ALCHEMIST!
NOW GET YOUR ASSES ON ALIM NOW!

I have never heard of a day cop in any game ever, so I’m skeptical of this claim.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Why is obvtown Alchemist still being wagoned

How is he obvtown? I’m not seeing it.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Nancy, nobody say nothing to you when you're being obnoxious, stop posting shit like that

If you’re going to talk to me like that, I will just ignore you for the rest of the game.

I have done nothing wrong and TSE is trying to force reads that I think are wrong and illconsidered. So, if you’re going to be mean to me, then I’d much prefer you just ignore me.

I especially don’t appreciate this post coming from you of all people. And I’m not fucking forgetting it. You ought to know a lot better!

[Past Present Future]

okay there's only 5 votes there
VOTE: Alch
-D

ALCHEMIST IS CONFIRMED TOWN!
I HARDCLAIM DAY COP WITH A GREEN CHECK ON ALCHEMIST!
NOW GET YOUR ASSES ON ALIM NOW!

I have never heard of a day cop in any game ever, so I’m skeptical of this claim.

~Fu

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Variations

A Daycop investigates players during the Day instead of the Night. Depending on the format of the game, they may receive their results immediately or at the end of the Day.

I doubt he was being serious but was just stressing the level of his read.

Also, chill with the woat stuff while you're still my favorite hydra head.

I dislike when a player aggressively pushes reads as fact that I don’t agree with and that’s why - because how persistently he keeps insisting his reads are right and that we should just blindly follow, without him even clearly explaining why.

@PB, this is the way you should address this with me but I guess our friendship was probably never real, so meh.

[Past Present Future]

All day actions have resolved.

@mod, is this true? Are there actually day actions that have been performed today?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

okay there's only 5 votes there
VOTE: Alch
-D

ALCHEMIST IS CONFIRMED TOWN!
I HARDCLAIM DAY COP WITH A GREEN CHECK ON ALCHEMIST!
NOW GET YOUR ASSES ON ALIM NOW!

I have never heard of a day cop in any game ever, so I’m skeptical of this claim.

~Fu

Then you either don’t play in much games or your full of shit.

Both of these statements are 100% WRONG. If you are actually a DC, you’re the first one I’ve ever seen in any game ever. If I’m wrong about this, I’ll 100% do a mea culpa.

[Past Present Future]

tbf, Daycop is not a common role on this site at least.

I have never seen one on MU either. Anyone with meta on TSE, does he ever fakeclaim anything?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Why is obvtown Alchemist still being wagoned

How is he obvtown? I’m not seeing it.

~Fu

You guys pushed him for things as scummy that I saw as townie, and I’ve already explained why I believe that him pushing and not voting is townie and not scum indicative. The wagon on him is even more indicative that he’s town.

Why is the wagon indicative that he’s town?

Like no offence FL but you thought AA was scum in VG, despite Dann doc clear.

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Apparently the cop clear is indicative that he's town.

So you believe the claim then?

~Fu

[Past Present Future]

Nancy, nobody say nothing to you when you're being obnoxious, stop posting shit like that

If you’re going to talk to me like that, I will just ignore you for the rest of the game.

I have done nothing wrong and TSE is trying to force reads that I think are wrong and illconsidered. So, if you’re going to be mean to me, then I’d much prefer you just ignore me.

I especially don’t appreciate this post coming from you of all people. And I’m not fucking forgetting it. You ought to know a lot better!

You're being abusive towards TSE and as a friend I'm calling you out 'cause I know you're better than that, I'm not being mean lol you know I have nothing but good intentions towards you, sorry if it was too harsh, but try to avoid TSE if he irritates you

Sorry, I’ve had an extremely rough time of it recently and I think the only ones who could possibly know this are FL and Krazy and of course Titus - chk too but that obviously didn’t stop him. :/