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Post #9 (isolation #0 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:08 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:08 am
Glad I'm town, as this game is heavily biased against scum.
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Post #15 (isolation #1 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:32 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:32 am
PenguinPower has now made the first, second, third, fifth, seventh, and eleventh posts.
One is special, and all those others are prime...
Does that make PenguinPower the... *puts on sunglasses*... prime suspect?
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Post #17 (isolation #2 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:33 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:33 am
And thirteenth, now. The implications are obvious.
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Post #35 (isolation #3 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:32 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:32 am
Oh, Bambi is a Jaydragonking alt?
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Post #37 (isolation #4 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:33 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:33 am
Wait actually?
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Post #40 (isolation #5 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:36 am
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Post #41 (isolation #6 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:36 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:36 am
The real question is... do you lynch people just to get them to shut up?
Because your cousin did that, and it was very annoying.
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Post #56 (isolation #7 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:47 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:47 am
Tracker claim is a terrible idea.
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Post #61 (isolation #8 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:55 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:55 am
A1: Cop/Neapolitan - Scum get screwed if they fakeclaim tracker but at least they ensure that they don't hit two VT's N1 (which can cost them the game)
A2: JK/Doctor - Scum can safely claim tracker, neutralizing BOTH town PR's
A3: Cop/Doctor - Scum can safely claim tracker
B1: Cop/Tracker - Scum can kill the tracker N1
B2: JK/Tracker - Scum can hit the tracker N1, neutralizing BOTH town PR's and revealing the exact setup
B3: Neapolitan/Doctor - Scum will know the exact setup
C1: Cop/VT - Scum can safely claim tracker (and NEVER be counterclaimed)
C2: JK/VT - Scum can safely claim tacker (and NEVER be counterclaimed)
C3: Tracker/Doctor - Scum will know the exact setup
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Post #62 (isolation #9 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:56 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:56 am
That's good for town in MAYBE 2 out of 9 cases.
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Post #63 (isolation #10 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:56 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:56 am
Make that MAYBE 3 out of 9.
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Post #65 (isolation #11 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:00 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:00 am
No, they only know 3 possible setups. In B and C, they will know for sure what the setup is.
For instance, if it's B3 and we do the tracker claim strategy, scum can fakeclaim cop to avoid being lynched and nobody can call them out until a PR dies (and then it's a 1v1).
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Post #69 (isolation #12 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:14 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:14 am
Cop/neapolitan is already bad for scum. I don't think goon lynch followed by guaranteed PR NK is that bad of an outcome for scum, and I certainly think that the reward in the other two setups is worth it. (If a PR died after a tracker claimed D1 and somebody counterclaimed a different role, are you really saying you'd side with the counterclaimer?)
And scum can increase their odds in C by having the member they intend to have fakeclaim wait until most townies have claimed.
In any event, I'm with PenguinPower. Not participating.
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Post #74 (isolation #13 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:21 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:21 am
In post 71 , Mathdino wrote: because tracker is a dumb useless role anyway and is more useful as an innocent child that can't die
tracker is a cop after a scumflip, what are you talking about?
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Post #79 (isolation #14 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:31 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:31 am
The cop wouldn't have to claim, just the neapolitan. So it's not THAT good for scum.
In any event we can take this to MD after the game.
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Post #81 (isolation #15 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:15 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:15 am
Is that line more characteristic of scum-him?
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Post #92 (isolation #16 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:52 am
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Post #96 (isolation #17 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:59 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:59 am
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
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Post #104 (isolation #18 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:08 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:08 am
In post 99 , CheekyTeeky wrote: When I get to the end of a 4 page catch up and I remember you participating a fair amount but don't have a read I'll assume you're scum until proven innocent. Mwahaha. >.>
But... there are more town than scum... so a random person with no information is more likely to be town.
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Post #108 (isolation #19 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:10 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:10 am
In post 102 , Mathdino wrote: people townread jay more often when he's scum than when he's town
the primary way to get a lynch on him when he's scum is basically policy
I played with him twice, both as town, and I think he was a universal townread both games. So I don't know if that is completely true.
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Post #113 (isolation #20 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:16 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:16 am
I don't think scum-Gamma has a hard time faking gamesolving.
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Post #126 (isolation #21 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:57 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:57 am
I think he's afraid of your towngame more
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Post #127 (isolation #22 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:57 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:57 am
Lol
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Post #132 (isolation #23 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:02 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:02 am
With Mathdino on this one.
What is it that you think is the problem with your towngame?
In my experience you seem to be too trusting of charismatic people and distrusting of uncharismatic people.
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Post #153 (isolation #24 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:46 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:46 am
Reason?
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Post #159 (isolation #25 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:08 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:08 am
don't sheep mathdino.
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Post #161 (isolation #26 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:11 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:11 am
Not because your reads are bad, just because you can't really be locktowned by play and people should only be sheeped if they are locktown.
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Post #162 (isolation #27 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:13 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:13 am
And you really shouldn't be assuming that Bambi will sheep you because even if you do get cleared, her reads will be more informed than yours.
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Post #165 (isolation #28 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:14 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:14 am
Even if so, that doesn't change anything.
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Post #166 (isolation #29 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:14 am
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:14 am
Why is that an "if"?
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Post #170 (isolation #30 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:33 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:33 pm
Are we making existential comics references now?
This is me in Jester Nightless.
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Post #173 (isolation #31 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:10 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:10 pm
Do you think that's alignment indicative?
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Post #179 (isolation #32 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:14 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:14 pm
In post 174 , Mathdino wrote: have pushed a lot of strategies in open games and your reaction is most similar to scum reactions in my experience
elaborate pls
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Post #184 (isolation #33 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:18 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:18 pm
In post 176 , Errantparabola wrote: Disclaimer: I know very little about philosophy and have seen only a select few of these webcomics.
You should read them; based on that awesome image you'd probably enjoy them a lot
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Post #186 (isolation #34 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:20 pm
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Post #190 (isolation #35 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:28 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:28 pm
In post 187 , Bambietta Basterbine wrote: I have no reason NOT to scumread you, so if ya want one of the votes off you, you gotta ask Cheeky or mister Penguin.
Okay Math I'm gaining interest in your PL.
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Post #191 (isolation #36 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:29 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:29 pm
In post 104 , Something_Smart wrote: But... there are more town than scum... so a random person with no information is more likely to be town.
Is this a reason not to scumread me?
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Post #194 (isolation #37 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:34 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:34 pm
In post 192 , Bambietta Basterbine wrote: Because there is no need to move my vote, your suddenly behind Dino?
Your values are to be remembered in the far reaches of the Galaxy, far after Earth in but fodder for the expanding red sun.
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That's NAI, or if you want to be specific, not something I care about.
I'm not talking at all about your vote right now. I'm talking about your read on me.
In the absence of anything to change it, it should start out as null. Why is it at scum?
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Post #196 (isolation #38 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:35 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:35 pm
Also Math I hope you see my scumgame someday, because then I guarantee you'll stop putting me at null.
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Post #200 (isolation #39 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:36 pm
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Post #201 (isolation #40 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:37 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:37 pm
Sorry EP
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Post #205 (isolation #41 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:39 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:39 pm
Math, NSG reacted in a somewhat similar way... so why is she so strongly town?
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Post #211 (isolation #42 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:42 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:42 pm
In post 206 , Mathdino wrote: Honestly Smart's reaction to the strategy would be hard-town in a vacuum. It's clear he actually believes his POV on that.
The question then becomes "does he fake setup spec that he thinks is pro-town, and is that in his scumrange".
So I'm open to commentary on that.
Edit: @Gamma: I wrote "Gamma can be town" but then I realised you could actually legit be sucking up to me and switched you to nulltown.
Yeah because as scum I would just fakeclaim tracker
In all seriousness though, what vacuum do you mean?
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Post #215 (isolation #43 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:48 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:48 pm
No, I know, it's a joke.
I would probably have considered it, though.
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Post #216 (isolation #44 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:49 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:49 pm
Also
You only respect my scumplay
Because you've never seen it
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Post #218 (isolation #45 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:55 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:55 pm
These are probably my best recent scumgames.
Cosmopolitan (playing as the then-secret alt iiSq5024)
Chocolate Mafia
I can give you context if you want, or you can just take a completely unbiased look.
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Post #221 (isolation #46 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:02 pm
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Yep.
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Post #253 (isolation #47 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:48 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:48 pm
In post 1124 , Errantparabola wrote: In response to a question I recieved about playing to one’s wincon, I have decided to make the following rule change: the winners are decided by whoever won the most games. I will take full responsinility for any negative ramifications this change causes. But hopefully your win condition should be clear in basically every situation:
your goal should be to win as many games as possible.
Emphasis mine
It is acceptable to take future games into account.
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Post #265 (isolation #48 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:26 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:26 pm
In post 261 , Mathdino wrote: You might have to be town by PoE considering I definitely have stronger scumreads elsewhere.
don't play this game
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Post #283 (isolation #49 ) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:07 pm
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by Something_Smart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:07 pm
In post 261 , Mathdino wrote: You might have to be town by PoE considering I definitely have stronger scumreads elsewhere.
How does that square with this:
In post 272 , Mathdino wrote: N_Mtown/NSGtown leaves
Smart-town pending meta review
Penguin-scum
Bambi-lynchable
Gamma-unreadable
CT-too soon to tell but i will ISO this in a bit
Red I'm actually not locking a read on yet, but I also forgot Polygamist ever happened, so rereading that will be a fantastic meta reminder.
...where you seem to have only one scumread of any strength at all?
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:54 am
In post 287 , Mathdino wrote: CT I'm getting really bad feelings about but a lot of that is "I just got screwed by her scumgame so everything pings me now".
It's definitely not just you
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Post #297 (isolation #51 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:23 am
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...Yeah it is?
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Post #299 (isolation #52 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:24 am
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How's that alignment indicative?
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Post #308 (isolation #53 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:26 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:26 am
In post 307 , Mathdino wrote: Overview of RedFlavor's towngames suggests he's town here. I think I'm seeing the difference between his towngame and scumgame.
what have we learned about doing this?
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Post #315 (isolation #54 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:54 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:54 am
Feels like you're not trying to interact and instead you're just commenting on stuff in order to look like you're participating.
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Post #320 (isolation #55 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:03 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:03 am
Did so. Still don't see it, but you also don't seem to be pushing any agenda so you're okay for now.
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Post #321 (isolation #56 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:04 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:04 am
Is that what active lurking is?
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Post #325 (isolation #57 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:09 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:09 am
That's not at all what town-Creature does, and it's not really what I'm talking about.
I really just mean the more general posting to appear superficially town-motivated.
So am I though.
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Post #326 (isolation #58 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:10 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:10 am
Yeah how Cheeky understood it is pretty accurate
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Post #354 (isolation #59 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:01 am
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:01 am
In post 329 , CheekyTeeky wrote: There's no motivation for scum Penguin to drop an AtE when he's under not very much pressure early game.
...except if it's genuinely how he feels?
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Post #453 (isolation #60 ) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:07 pm
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by Something_Smart » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:07 pm
Mathdino is not a good Day 1 lynch.