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Post #12 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:43 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
lol im just coming off a 3 month break and it already feels like its been an eternity
newbie queue got a new setup, themes are now all like lulbalance memegames full of alts and hydras
maybe half the peeps ive been in most games with either left, banned or or taking it easy
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Post #30 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:51 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
this is actually decent but its about me and getting involved would make the game even more about me which isnt ultimately that interesting because i dont have quite the frame of reference to judge how reasonable the things are
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Post #33 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:06 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
anxious vs bored
this is actually good though but neither you or green said something id think is scummy yet and digging deeper on reads on me isnt as promising as say reads on a 3rd (but there's not much from the rest of the field either quite yet tbh)
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Post #36 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:34 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
huh I thought you were calling me LAMIST not lovebird
logically that is maybe early to go on record for a read which isnt necessarily that justifiable but I got the impression she might've been doing it to get things rolling too
Don't think scum!love would be so eager to TR someone so early. It is weird and attracts too much attention.
But seriously this whole discussion seems irrelevant; why would checking profiles be AI? Why is being bored AI? Why is being anxious to start the game AI?
It's grasping but that's early d1 for you (and sometimes the rest of the game too ayoooo )
It was pretty much just us 3 around so that being the conversation that continued seems natural, there wasn't much else to talk about
I'm wondering what brings you to this prediction in general, but also if you don't think lovebird would've said what she did as scum. Do you just think it's weird/strange or can you speculate any scum motivation in the mix?
@Same to Iconman
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Post #47 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:17 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
As for lovebird. What she did was definitely pro-town in what it accomplished, but as a tell I think it's complicated. For a newer player I would absolutely townread that because new scum do avoid attention and also aren't even necessarily aware they'd get townread for being pro-town/lamist. OTOH giving lovebird that would be careless, she has some scum games already here with competent level of play and is from offsite before that (not to put paranoia on her either though which would be unfair). That said the thought process itself adds up and 37 is some nuance at least so even if it's "graspy" I don't think it's shallow and don't feel it's scummy.
In post 46, Raskolnikov wrote:
It's grasping but that's early d1 for you (and sometimes the rest of the game too ayoooo )
It was pretty much just us 3 around so that being the conversation that continued seems natural, there wasn't much else to talk about
I'm wondering what brings you to this prediction in general, but also if you don't think lovebird would've said what she did as scum. Do you just think it's weird/strange or can you speculate any scum motivation in the mix?
@Same to Iconman
I basically agree with this as a response to BuJaber, although I would add:
In post 42, BuJaber wrote:
Prediction: one of GL, Lovebird, Raska is scum.
Don't think scum!love would be so eager to TR someone so early. It is weird and attracts too much attention.
Why is Lovebird in your scum pool if you don't think she would have acted that way as scum?
actually that's what I thought I asked in that, whoops
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Post #57 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:14 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
Christopher n_m and zzzx have been posting onsite and should really get involved here (major otoh looks like replace)
iconeum feels pretty mediocre but let's see how he responds about his thing, zzzx i kinda thought would say more but maybe he does today
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Post #67 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:07 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 62, BuJaber wrote:The prediction is based on WIFOM. That's usually how I narrow things down between a pool if there is nothing specific that pings me. (Such as this game). Since everyone is more or less a nullread I come up with a theory that makes sense to narrow down the field and split up the players into categories for further analysis.
In this game the theory is that 3 people all deciding to engage in a discussion -that imo is about something irrelevant or NAI- leads me to think one of them has to be doing it as scum to look like they're engaging with the town. Since one scum is doing this the other is likely to follow a different strategy so they will take a more passive approach. So 1 scum among {rask, GL, lovebird} and 1 scum among the rest.
The thing is this just doesn't really follow. I've been in games where both scum just happen to be quiet or flake out and people were pretty much just wasting their time. But given you have it as theory/prediction I think you're kind of aware and I get the impression you're hoping for something less null-reading on the field too so I guess it's understandable.
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Post #77 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:55 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
have you considered the possibility that you not being present could give you a different outlook because you didn't pick up the feeling or gamestate at the time
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Post #83 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:06 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
I won't say it's content, but I also don't think it's noise. This game is objectively very slow and this is a lot less pages than usual by this time frame.
I think you might be defensive too as it feels like you're taking it as a direct scumread or shade on you but I don't feel like that's how it is.
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Post #85 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:11 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
I should bring up I like to POE and this kind of gamestate is not so has not been good for that.
I suspect through how most people are that 1 scum is uninvolved because I usually have more scumreads by now. I don't think this prediction is like bujabers though because I feel like this is based on (hopefully not inaccurate) reads and not whatever his was based on (I'm still not sure).
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Post #106 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:58 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 59, Iconeum wrote:I agree that putting Lovebird in a scumpool, but in the same post mentioning that is has no reason to act like that if scum, is just weird.
Still like how he tries to steer conversation away, because that was leading us nowhere.
Out of curiosity, you didn't notice this when you made 43 right?
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Post #107 (isolation #32) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:38 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 98, Major Minor wrote:The way he also threw his vote around onto Not_Mafia just felt really town in my gut? I hate gut reads, it's hard to explain, but it was the lack of pretense that pinged me as town. There's no show to put on, nobody to impress with his vote switch, it's just what it is.
In post 98, Major Minor wrote:I dislike Lovebird's empty push on Iconeum, though. No reasons or anything? Feels opportunistic.
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Post #109 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:00 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
N_M's been posting elsewhere onsite the whole time which to some extent just makes me want to say fuck him. Icon's statement there is also consistent with my skims and was mainly why I think icon might be paying attention, though from experience saying meta on people you've played isn't that difficult either when scum so eh.
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Post #114 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:40 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 110, GreenLiquid wrote:Is it out of character for Not_Mafia, though? From what (little) I've seen of his posting, it seems normal enough for him, except for the fact he hasn't voted.
Not a not mafia expert but my impression was he was a little more likely to be engaged as town. Low sample size here tbh but not townread so.
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Post #116 (isolation #36) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:54 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
@NM
In post 73, Raskolnikov wrote:Not mafia pretend this is a turbo and you have to dayvig someone and post a paragraph why in the next 20 minutes or you lose
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Post #133 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:51 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
After iconman majorminor and bujaber answers I guess we can start looking to end the day... am serious about willing to lynch n_m (even if it's at least partially policy) if nothing is more appealing by then.
In post 59, Iconeum wrote:I agree that putting Lovebird in a scumpool, but in the same post mentioning that is has no reason to act like that if scum, is just weird.
Still like how he tries to steer conversation away, because that was leading us nowhere.
Out of curiosity, you didn't notice this when you made 43 right?
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Post #247 (isolation #52) » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:42 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
I wasn't serious when I RVS voted, but I was when I actually skimmed him and started townreading most other players. You can vote someone in rvs and then start actually scumreading them later even if it's the same vote.
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Post #253 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:09 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 249, CheekyTeeky wrote:You can, but at what point did you announce your RVS vote had turned serious?
What bugs me more than your sloppy wagon on NM (because scum shouldn't be so silly to try and lynch him knowing he's an easy mislynch player) is you going on about lack of content and participation yet you're not moving your vote around except in one case to OMGUS a player, but you keep pushing theone player YOU KNOW isn't going to fight back or give anyone any decent content. It makes me think you don't actually want content and you're just trying to look townie. I think someone else called you LAMIST for it.
You say this, but I'm not going to start wagoning people for no reason purely for the sake of discussion. If I'm not feeling something as scummy I'm not going to exaggerate or pressure for the sake of it anyways on bad faith.
You can complain about something if it's demotivating without it being a "call to action" or trying to take some stupid high ground or whatever ulterior motive. Maybe go back and take note of the time between each of the post timestamps as well.
I think I mentioned N_M a few times, even now still it's mostly a lean so I'm not going to make a big deal of it, and there there's not even so much a concrete point as rather waiting for something that never came. IIRC I seriously started considering the possibility when he popped in to say nothing when we were mentioning him since it implied he was reading along but just not at all interested.
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Post #254 (isolation #56) » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:15 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 251, CheekyTeeky wrote:In his town meta he is a troll. He looks pretty trolly here.
How do you think his meta is his scum meta here?
Trolling afaik is NAI for him.
As town I thought he seemed a bit more interested in the game than as scum and at least was usually throwing his vote around early.
So I enter and all I see is the VCA. I deduced two things at the point I made the comment.
1. NM prob town, scum pushing his wagon.
2. Zzzx not engaged in town dialogue as not part of the main wagon and counter.
Then I read the game. Saw why he's voting you and staying out of the wagons.
Okay. I think this kind of logic is confbiasy, but whatever. If I scumread someone I'm not going to auto townread who pushes them or who they push unless they also have a good thought process to show for it.
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Post #257 (isolation #58) » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:29 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
To be honest, I was wondering if you were whiteknighting N_M because his ISO doesn't suggest anything that could possibly give a townread, but I guess the "my scumreads are pushing him!" is a thing people do sometimes.