micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

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Nancy I can read pretty well at this exact point in time (I hope). Ari is an unstoppable scum god who not even Ellibereth can read. this will be interesting.

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begone demon!
welcome Ari<3

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yup, Turn of Camn. what a finale.

fwiw i don't...really flake unless I have a Big Problem with someone on the list and I like this list quite a lot so I'm here til the bitter end!!!

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Nancy I can read pretty well at this exact point in time (I hope). Ari is an unstoppable scum god who not even Ellibereth can read. this will be interesting.

I’m so happy. He is? Why is the hydra partner, alwyas the last to know? :/

I hope you’re right about that Ducky.

Can you catch me up? I haven’t read anything yet.

Yup! Your slot's contributions are pretty wolfy so far imo - don't iso it, it won't make a lot of sense out of context.

have a look at poboqoboqobodob's + infinitesoda's (very short) iso's and let me know what you think of that maybe?

mastina isn't all that readable

few mega highposting slots sorry

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I think the perspective NSG displayed this game was >rand scum but I'd focus more on redemption if I were you tbh

also UNVOTE:

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/lazyposting

{nsg}
{tw, sheep}
{skitter}
{everyone else}
{nibbui}

I really don't think I'd done anything poignantly town indicative at this point and I don't think NSG confidently calls me down 89 posts in when she mislynched me like the time before the last time we played together.

sheep tr is fine

skitter is technically a hard read and I don't think she'd town told at all this early; I guess this is more or less fine I just disagree with it

Nibbui was wrapping the thread around his little finger at that point so I can understand why a scumread on him would be a necessity to voice. What I don't understand is why she's just put him as a lazy posting scumread, not voted, and then~~~

sorry to pile onto you nibbui

~~~ not voted but apologised for piling onto her scumread. this is pretty minor but doesn't indicate to me that this is a read she acrually cares about.

word choice / toneread

i know normally i might get annoyed at this kind of reasoning if it was used against myself but even still i couldn't help but notice it: you used the word "hmmm" three times in your first three posts (with two in the third), and seven times so far in your 33 post ISO

obviously the word "hmmm" on its own isn't scum indicative (.... i think), but i think that kind of verbal tic is something worth looking at, especially in comparison to your other games.

again, i kind of hate this reasoning when it's used against me so sorry about that, but i can't just ignore it.

This is a positioning read which comes from someone who has an ability to read Nibbui correctly (I believe she does) but does not acrually believe her scumread. I'd totally take this as a bad sod1 read which was redacted after research, so

ah, one second.

i'll get back to you after doing a little research.

actually made me stop and think for a moment, but the following at her strongest townread is like... :////

anyone who wolfreads nibbui hasnt done a quick meta check

that's a pretty bold statement.

This isn't NSG who is scumreading a player who is openwolfing and everyone else is townreading

basically the issue I took w NSG's (brief) contributions

but ye there's not gonna be a lot of point dwelling on NSG unless you have like a distinctly anti-my-read read whuch isn't just TMI via role pm

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glad it's not just me Nancy threatens to cook & eat :>

VOTE: mastina

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@The worst, why Mastina?

I still have yet to read anything. I know that she fooled me in,RCuPick game. So, maybe we should sheep you?

Yes, I’m townreading you here for that wall post.

I was voting with my townread, mostly. but also PoE and pressure etc. etc.

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it was a username pun

northsidegal because the term northside refers to town

and the worst because scum are the worst

at least that's how I read it

I'm actually voting mastina because the other active slots are above her on a towny metric and I'm trying to give your slot a breath.

Soda isn't active as well so wagoning him is worth nothing.

But it looks like it’s not a joke. Mastina does seem to be setting up tw. @TW, are you particularly good at catching scum!Mastina? Would she typically view you as a threat if she were scum?

Nah and nah

something redacted

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Asdfghjkl;' sorry

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UNVOTE:

forgot to do this

at this point

anyone who wolfreads nibbui hasnt done a quick meta check
anyone who hasnt done a quick meta check should do a quick meta check


im slightly slightly paranoid that he would do better but very unlikely that there would be such a significant difference

This kind of post, rarely ever comes from scum.

i kinda agree with a caveat

i think it's easy to fake and i'm not locktowning it but the perspective behind it is good and i actually think it's solvey>>>a grab @ towncred

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i totally agree

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quack

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Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town

every
single
time

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she does read a little backwards ya

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840 is a big mood

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i had this momentary mindmeld that felt warm and fuzzy but on reflection i'm less attached to it than it was

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By the way podoboq, if anything on you changed personally during your break, in what would you say you changed? (this is a bit personal so it's fine if you don't want to say something or don't want to answer at all).

I got engaged, graduated college, and moved away from home. Now I'm working a full time, salary, desk job. I like to think all of this has made me mature a bit. Now whether or not that changes how I play, I'm not sure. Gotta see how it shakes out a bit.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

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I think that 5 days from now on I can give my final reads because I'll have done my homework on everyone until there

I'm shitposting mostly until then I guess

I might be getting addicted to sugar as a trivia fact, eating sugary food always help me get in the mood to be productive as weird as that sounds

Tfw you're turning into L

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{tw}
{Nibbui}
{punk bill}
{skitter30}
{podoboq}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{mastina}
{infinitesoda}
{nancstophanes}

roughly here
we have one dimension of Nancy reads goodness (which she can also do as scum) - stay active so we can gauge her trajectory imo

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i am to surprise <:

consistent read on sheep? i disagree, i had a couple of moments where I thought he town-told just a little but on reconsideration i don't think i was using very good tells + something else makes me want to scumread him

and yes

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serious readslist

I was correct on your choice of language wrt nsg/me but I thought your readslist was used to reaction test NSG.

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find a scumgame of mastina's (e.g. mini theme encore mafia now without cults by KittyMo) and read the opening few scum pt posts by mastina, she Knows All

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you don't find sheep's readlist suspiciously familiar too?

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wait page 20
sorry mind is elsewhere

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no

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her scumgame is Solid, her towngame is hit and miss. she's rly fun to play with though bc she decides her agenda and pushes it like really really hard with tremendous waterfalls of spectacular prose

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@podoboq I don't know 'cause I haven't played with here, but I love her playstyle. Only by reading her catch up I feel more wise as a person. Just think about it: if she's town, the way she reads the thread is outstanding; if she's scum, even better.

correct
(but she's also sometimes horrifically wrong and tunnels hard)

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@tw wrt the skitter meta you linked

i think her villagery type of posting walls is better than i'd expected from her and i was kinda? underestimating her w game

but i think here theres a lot mroe genuine interacging/engaging with people and solving and she's still lean v after skimming that it's just a bit weaker

good

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Mastina I think you know false associatives happen and slots look like w/w as t/t more often than they should. Are you actually scumreading me or are you calling the scumteam based off one conversation which you misconstrued?

Hypothetically of course I'd also like to know what I've done that's scum motivated, how I've fooled so many people, and why NSG who is fairly good at reading me is allegedly town in your books, townread me at opening and then saw no reason to reconsider that before replacing out?

You're looking at fairly selective nuances of the thread.

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Are you actually scumreading me or are you calling the scumteam based off one conversation which you misconstrued?

If I wasn't exhausted right now I'd go construct a mirror to the podoboq thing I just did, for you.

Suffice to say?

Yes.

NSG who is fairly good at reading me is allegedly town in your books, townread me at opening and then saw no reason to reconsider that before replacing out?

Considering you yourself acknowledged that her ability to do so has diminished, this is rather hypocritical of you.

Suffice to say, even had you insisted the whole game that her ability to read you held true? Frankly. I wouldn't buy it; I'd put zero stock in it.

It's diminishing yes but still fairly strong. It's kinda like her scumread on Nibbui which she didn't bother to follow through on or give any reasons for while the entire player base started to townread her; I'd be surprised if such a lack-of-conviction read actually came from her as town. The hard townread on me also surprised me for the reason you're pointing out.

Why would you put zero stock in it? I'll happily link you to the times she's blasted me as scum and correctly read me as town, along with the two times she's incorrectly read me.

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two including a marathon!

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we're dealing with scum!mastina so that'll help pad things out!

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northsidegal
Pink Ball
Nibbui
InfiniteSoda
sheepsaysmeep
skitter30
podoboq
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extra credit for anyone who can go "OHHH OK" with me

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what if we actually get scum right on d1 and just quick lynch the other one on d2 though?

wouldn't that be like...just sad?

I'm expecting this to reach 100 pages at least

maybe we should lynch you D2 just to make the game longer

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deal. <3
my mafiascum new year resolution is similar to my irl new year resolution but also I wanna get better at modding (and probably play less )

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i'm not overwhelmingly Feeling It either which is weirddd

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northsidegal
InfiniteSoda
podoboq
skitter30
sheepsaysmeep
Pink Ball
mastina
Nibbui
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nancy/mastina wolves
infinite soda has been sitting in the idk 1/4 of the way between idk and wolf spot for a year now

sheep/nibbui/pink/tw villas

skitter almost almost always villa she just needs a bit more to be pushed into the masonry

podo is gun to my head v but could go either way

I'm slightly worried about how similar our brains are right now.

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idk man my reads are USUALLY <<rand

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What a greeting post. <3 see you soon. Hmu if you wanna jam about anything rather than dragging yourself thru like 40 pages

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hey Ari

where's your vote rn? can you explain to me how mastina was being scummy?

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intent to hammer

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Mephistophanes 39 (2): skitter30, sheepsaysmeep

+ you + lolwagons
don't unvote yet pls

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guess who's a half asleep duckling

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hint: it's not lolwagons

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Ooohhhh I've seen a couple of games Slaxx has been in I think. Great to meet you. I love the username.

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Mastina is a time traveller yeah

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I've seen you around recently tbh

Aggressive playstyles hurt my feelings
You've been warned

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Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

literally Nancy's scum meta is telling people she's done nothing AI too

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Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

literally Nancy's scum meta is telling people she's done nothing AI too

I see it as NAI regardless of knowing we are town. If you are reading into it you are eeading into nai situations and thats gonna lead to a mislynch. *shrugs*

asdfghjkl;'

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yes boss
VOTE: the worst

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...wait that's me
VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

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slightly like wrt lack of competing wagons but I sr the slot and this checks out

this wagon is probably filthy regardless of flip

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oh lol

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slightly like wrt lack of competing wagons but I sr the slot and this checks out

this wagon is probably filthy regardless of flip

Explain

if this is scum what are scum doing?;
if this is town what are scum doing?

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like earlier I had this "wow lolwagons is 100% town if this reds" and then I remembered bussing rn would be an incredibly good move so I stopped thinking about that

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mafia isn't a logic puzzle tho there aren't tangible answers to questions without like having a smaller number of possible conclusions / knowing the answer categorically; I'm rhetorical on a couple of fronts atm. I'm not confident this wagon is filthy but if I say it that way it's more likely to be remembered. those questions are also rhetorical

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slightly like wrt lack of competing wagons but I sr the slot and this checks out

this wagon is probably filthy regardless of flip

Explain

if this is scum what are scum doing?;
if this is town what are scum doing?

...

if you think this why are you voting here

I think that's.... quite obvious....? I scumread the slot and I am 100% neutral about whether or not this is a bus. If it's a bus I'll take it.

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bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

If Meph reds lolw shouldn't get to endgame

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bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

i don't want meph anywhere close to endgame
not sure if i want to lynch tw today. he kinda feels weird still. and has a bunch of bad posts. filthy sounds like he's shading the wagon so i don't like that he's voting there *while* calling it filthy

i'm becoming a little paranoid that meph may be town given how close to everyone except for like nibbui and maybe mastina have this read
but then i get paranoid a lot about this sort of thing so idk

fyi the reason I'm townreading you til further notice is your tunnel on me is towny. you're reminiscent of the days when you COULD read me off a whiff of my posting and it makes me think you're sorting me. conscious careful and self-reevaluating reading of slots is town!skitter. But I don't think we're in the world where you can read me 100% off my early posting anymore.

Have a quick look thru my iso in American presidents mafia I think if you have the time; I don't think it was sheer tonality that you caught me on there

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Their whole attitude around NSG has been scummy. Overconfident scum read, initial on/off vote, their new on vote, their attitude towards the wagon. I feel like Nancy could maaaaaaybe be lynch bait but I don’t see that with TW.

hrrngggg

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yeah i feel bussing + trying to shade the wagon which is kinda contradictory
unless he's trying to go the angle of: scum must have bussed so we need to look onwagon tomorrow but then why does he put himself on wagon?

Meph => {me/lolw} if it reds is fine

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feels like bussing;

kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense

did you get this vibe?

this isn't a real take

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feels like bussing;

kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense

did you get this vibe?

That was the initial idea. I specifically pressured him to vote that slot because I saw he was around and was curious if he would.

But then the whole “this wagon is filthy” but also being on it made me think Nancy=town. Then I asked him to explain and he didn’t want to give me any town credit or anyone any town credit if it flipped red which made me think they were partners, so I stuck on Nancy.

But then I’m over here like, okay if TW is scum regardless of Nancy’s flip I should be voting TW.

Pretending there's TMI preflip is intensely gross and I gave wagon analysis content before you voted me

stop pretending you're Up To SoMeThInG

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I’m retrospect it might have been more strategic to not pressure him to vote that slot, but live and learn.

sweaty

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hmmmm

good

now we've competing wagons therefore I've more time to stalk people

so I'm here:

Town
Podoboq

Likely town
Pink Ball
LolWagons likely town (although I need to check something here)

Special Cirmcunstances
Nancy I don't know as of yet but I'll probably have an opinion until the middle of day 2

Skitter aside from a somewhat superficial read I don't have a strong opinion yet because Idk her play, I think she is more likely town than not but she can fool me, I'm sheeping PB on her being town for now though

PoE
Mastina
Sheep
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remove lolw from your townblock asap and reevaluate postflip of nancy/me

Nancy is obviously preferred because I can work this out

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Can we push off the convo wrt how well i can read you a bit?

P-edit that's what ur nancy vote felt like to me, with ur intent to hammer when she only had three votes when u were half-asleep

I mean it's progressing away from that already I'm just celebrating and chain of conscious posting wrt changes in meta

ignore it if you want, I loosely trust you to get there

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I'm not really into this enough to elaborate on the intent to hammer/vote thing honestly

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I think that's a reasonable trajectory on like, reading me in a holistic sense

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tw
nibbui
skitter
punk bill
poqoboq

^ town descending ^

sheep, mastina can go either way idrc

lolw
meph

conditional on flips but partner equity is there



if I'm literally powerlynched overnight I'm fine w that

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So basically the things i'd put in the 'town' column i feel kinda ???? about

And you have some pretty scummy posts too that are kinda bad in an objective sense, irregardless of whether or not u want to talk about them. And rn this is probably outweighing the questionably townie posts.

And im starting to wonder if the issues i have with meph are playstyle based (ie im reading them negatively because the ate is pissing me off) or if they're actually objectively scummy

Idk im going to sleep on itUNVOTE:

my traditional scumtells are better aligned to when I'm low energy; towntells to high energy

actual alignment is a bit of a grey area since my level of interest as either alignment is Low

I'll try not to selfmetaspam now

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I guess worst case scenario skitter is a wolf and this is like a lol explosion of her scumrange but actually she's roughly equal to Nibbui maybe higher

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I kinda half forgot mastina exists, guess I'm a little hooked on a {Nancy, wagons} solve and she's like... A hard maybe. she's always read me wrong afaict

which wagon?

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in retrospect it's been faintly towntelling previously for her to read me backwards lol she ignored me that one time she was scum, even after I guilties her buddy

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like he entered the thread with ~rough reads hedged for a bit then ended up with the Poe he was always going to have except I can pretty easily see this as a Nancy bus from him

no I don't really see any early posts that are mind blowingly AI? they're like Conventional OK Catchup Posts™ and he makes the effort to throw a bit of shade along the way, what are you seeing that's poignantly AI?

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┐(´д｀)┌
I don't really townread that a lot from him
also don't fps too hard, being outside your scumrange is being outside your scumrange and if you try to be wolfy for a bit to draw scumreads all you'll likely do is draw false negatives from people who are treating you as "town unless my reads look bad"

or maybe I'm just being bad idrk

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I know

Spoiler:

lynch Nancy

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first nsg now you. nice.

why should I be townreading you?

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Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

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Basically like you've got a pretty broad scumrange wrt emotions + selfmeta cognisance so I wanna see the back side of that. what part of your play here do you think should be making sheep and/or me go "oh yeah ok Nancy is town"?

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Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

I think this frustration comes from town who's been wrongly accused OR from scum who feels caught for the wrong reason. I actually think we're good enough friends that I understand it's just a game, and I'm willing to put ingame stuff behind us or talk to you if I feel upset post-game.

other stuff I want to talk about when a certain game finishes (off-site)

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realistically I'm about equally as upset whether you'd call me bad as town or call me bad as scum -- like being earnest doesn't mean I'm suddenly okay with being called bad. same with nsg's exist posts here. they transparently disregarded what was happening in the actual thread just to deflect people's scumreads and I'm left like "ok but we're playing a game about manipulating people and catching people out on manipulation........ ┐(´д｀)┌

basically I have enough respect for your game that I don't think you're readable by "Nancy calls people shit when she's town", I also don't think it's like a great thing to do regardless of alignment, but it's not something I'm going to take personally because it's a game and getting passionate is part of the fun. you're perfectly capable of twisting meta to your advantage as scum as well and I'm still not sure why I'm meant to be townreading you...

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eh I might have seen a poor example of your scumgame, you did wear your heart on your sleeve plenty in Heroes Wanted.

eh either way you're actually playing the game and will spew content which is.... a start. it's gonna sound a bit superficial given respect for both of your scumranges but I'll actually think very differently of both you and NSG as players if you've both resorted to calling me outright bad for misreading you while ignoring thread evidence. I'm pretty sure this is pushing on just not being a wolfslot/potentially a bit of twtbaw

VOTE: mastina

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fyi please please do not feel like you need to swear and insult people to be townread, as you're town here. there are so many other merits to your towngame which shine through esp. later in the game. Talk more on this in a couple of weeks assuming we're both here.

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That's absolutely not what I mean - I know for a fact you wouldn't put winning over our friendship. I think our friendship is strong enough that we both know a game is a game. emotions soar during mafia... that's just a part of the fact we have to stand here and call each other lying scumfucks.

I will have a chat to you post-game about anything you ever do that upsets me & I'd trust you to do the same to me. that doesn't mean I'll ever go easy on you just because we're friends and I'd expect the same - that keeps the game fun.

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I don't townread them. InfiniteSoda's posting was like lolnewbscum but they're kinda in that murky space where they could potentially really go either way. on like a surface level their play looks towny enough and I like the way they're interacting and pushing the game along and stuff but also.... this is like wolfsiding shit and I'm not sure I vibe the way he's positioning me into being a lynch. I honestly doubt I'm a long-term viable mislynch in this game; too many people familiar with my meta but I don't think someone who's reading this game cold to my familiarity with players necessarily registers that. like tl;dr I don't think someone actually enters the thread rn and goes "hey I think tw is a wolf and I'm ignoring mastina's lol!logic so I'm gonna say we should just lynch him either today or tomorrow lolz" - it feels like the type of mislynch a wolf who doesn't know me would go for

just not sure if this is like overly introverted and just Not A Thing That Catches Wolves so I've been biding my time a little to watch him interact with something more meaningful and interesting

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So in duck's readlist he had Nancy and LolWagons as scum and mastina as null; Nibbui asked him what's up with mastina and he replied that she towntelled because she read him backwards, but that she could go either way. Now that Nancy towntelled, the duck votes mastina.

Nibbui, not lynching the duck for being charismatic... I feel you, I really do. But duck's flip is better; I'll even say that, if I'm wrong about the worst, from my PoV the game would be solved in D2.

sry fam I'd recommend a red flip d1 tho

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I think what she said about podoboq and duck is valid, but my problem is that she is clearing people for stuff that sounds a bit surreal for me + was scum reading TW since the start when I think he sounded fine in the first pages.

her stuff on us is like, entirely fitting reasons around a conclusion and not vice versa. she's tunnelled on the idea that we're scum and you're completely right in saying she's clearing everyone around us for arbitrary reasons because she wants to focus on her conclusion.

which is a scumclaim for most players but not all that AI for mastina

do you see why my brain hurts wrt trying to read her?

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duck

N...nibbui... <3

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If the worst flips town, it's mastina and sheep and we win, as simple as that. If the worst flips red, there's a bunch of people who could be his partner (skitter, podoboq from mastina's PoV, sheep from my PoV, even lolwagons for the InfiniteSoda policy lynch thing). If mastina flips town, what do you think would be the next optimal course of action? The worst is, from what I get of the gamestate, the optimal lynch.

decent take on the mastina/sheep PoE but I kinda think lolwagons is also being cleared for arbitrary reasons

the fact you have so many s/s reads on me makes me think you kinda know you're reading the game wrong and just want my lynch :c

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tw can you link me your past w games if i didtn ask for them before and forget to read them

i think youre clear but apparently you have different site meta and can be wolfread here

freshest scum meta where I wasn't lolhammered a few pages in after winning a poetry/rap battle

game where skitter (and Nauci) correctly nailed scum!me while I was openwolfing

probably like most potent onsite meta games but I roll w a fair bit so lmk if there's smth you're looking for

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like

if TW flipped town we would probably go for Mastina

if TW flipped scum I would go for Mastina

if Mastina flips scum I'll probably go for either sheep or tw

if Mastina flips town I'll need to go for tw

I feel that it doesn't matter as much who we lynch today tbh

I just want to hope that Mastina flips red, we lynch Sheep and he flips red and I don't need to go for tw

protip: lynch mastina, resume our TvT tmrw

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Noooooo don't get me wrong ducko, I hate the fact that you're my biggest scumread, but it is like it is. Me talking about the posibility of you being town is because I'm secretly in love with you and I don't want to lynch you, but I have to

you don't

dare to be different
dare to defy destiny punk bill

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@lolwagons I'm scum and Nancy is town
there you go no sorting needed

stop complaining

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@evrryone else I'm not actually scum that post just bored me. sorry

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actually I'm pretty sure refusing to read someone for obvtown ate which has been v meta checked by both of the players the slot is angry with for reading it incorrectly is incredibly motivated towards trying to mislynch that slot

lolwagons is a wolf pls lynch after I'm nk'd

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@lolwagons I'm scum and Nancy is town
there you go no sorting needed

stop complaining

What does a post like this accomplish?

Am I supposed to back off because you’re trying to WIFOM me in whether or not you’d call yourself scum?

no

you're meant to focus on stuff other than Nancy bc that won't go thru rn

idgaf how you read me

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neither Nancy nor me are being lynched today
who's next?

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we should cross-vote <3

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skitter please unvote while mastina catches up

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she unironically accidentally lolhammered the highest town win equity slot while catching up in NSG's dynamic duo game, as town

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like she's not good at paying attention to current gamestate while Doing Mastina Things

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Thought it was 4 for some reason, carry on

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I'm kinda half tempted to start reactively replacing out whenever someone misapplies the ellitell lmao but anyway

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I scumhunt using three axes.

I thought you used a bow?
(brb reading the rest)

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mmm ok

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no, i checked before i voted, that's the third

in case you're wondering:
-> things i may have seen as townie from you idk if they're ai anymore
-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

p-edit idk what that's referring to

I still think this is towny and like none of it is invalid, just not correct and probably closer to an entirely ingame read rather than a meta read which I rate

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-> you're also not really engaging me about the non-meta reasons i may be scumreading you, which i find scummy
(ie you ignored this post, tell me you don't want to talk about the bad posts or try to redirect the convo about them, etc)

actually wrt 1410 I wanted to take a couple of gos to digest all the points you were making. if you have nonmeta stuff you wanna talk about in particular like, I'm down

a lot of its playstyle/semantic stuff which I'm not sure how to engage with you on right now

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VOTE: mastina
rawr

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I mean we could rap battle across the language barrier I really don't mind, I'm equally poor at it either way

for now tho we should probably lynch mastina bc I'd rather not be d1'd

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Which is a giant red flag with a black fedora because although I understand that the context a player comes into the game with is important your insistence on shifting focus back outside this game indicates that you don’t feel like your play has been defensible from a town perspective.

continue?

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duck you were fine being d1'd not long ago

what changed

my bravado wore off when it became a real prospect

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ah I worded it badly; I rate the fact you're not going down the meta rabbit hole tho I do think there's certain things you might recognise, it's not all that important vs ingame stuff

do you TR mastina?

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can you quote what makes her look townier than me or

like rn she's talking about her townread on NSG which was a pretty forced read ("ooo mystery" isn't like. towny/lassaiz-faire in rvs and realistically is not the kind of thing you look at for a towny solving mindset in rvs, surely, please tell me if you think this is being dumb) and tmi townread of Nancy which she's mostly let sit on the back burner while we actually pushed Nancy but is yelling about now she realises it's not a mislynch

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I am help btw sup

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bring it, I'm fairly checked out but I suspect at least some of your PoE is on the money

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you don't think I interacted with Nancy and don't think I'm poking lolwagons to try and get him riled up right now? o_ò

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admit 1443 was part of your lolwolfy play and I'll forgive you
that's an overwhelmingly misrepresentative post

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what part of the way I sorted Nancy wasn't genuine?

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I actually feel somewhat undervalued on that front. the way I poked Nancy and ari into providing more content and engaged with them in real-time was completely genuine.

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like it was aggressively genuine, borderline "take this to post-game" genuine

did.. you read that part of the thread.. or....?

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do you think Nancy would have townspewed if I hadn't engaged so actively with her in spite of thinking her slot was obvscum or

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you weren't like, campaigning very hard for town!Nancy until after our extremely obvious real-time interactions so please don't leech towncred off me on that basis lol

pedit: hard disagree.

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Nibbui

vca sheep lol

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why do you think I gave intent to hammer fam

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ari is a scumgod and top tier meta manipulation is his greatest strength

Ari's posting here has been like, leaning good at best mastina

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one spicy take: scum!me lolhammers there instead of giving intent because I'm completely cognisant of how heavily Nancy can spew town under pressure

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I've gotten away with worse lolhammers

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I still don't see what you're seeing as town in mastina's posts, it's like agenda driving => fear mongering => sweeping holistic theory statements => repeat

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I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though

She is strangely charming

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I can't accurately read mastina imo. but I don't really see her town motivation here and like I can happily be talked outta this but I don't think anyone's convincingly townreading her....?

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i thought about it and... tw could be scum here idk


he's definitely not anywhere near clear by meta anymore and i barely even read those games before being like lolme

welp

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@mastina I know. read my comments around the God scum ari meme

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I'm a lategame confirmable town power role.

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Like.

This is a micro.

The longest possible game is to D4.

There is no such thing as a lategame confirmable town power role.

there is a lategame in a micro
combining this shade with you insisting I'm a careful scum player is derp

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it's not even derp

mastina is fucking obviously a wolf, her entire narrative is grossly inconsistent and she's pushing me as scum at the expensive of thread context

go ahead and hammer if you want but if you don't powerlynch her d2 town literally deserves to lose and I'll be here post-game to laugh at you all about it.

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I did not seriously expect myself to be a high equity mislynch day one in this list and wanted to be here for the long haul. I'm kinda like.... :/// at how badly this gambit played out.

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He’s not explaining because there is no explanation

Jesus

I like the duck from the time I’ve had with him but this isn’t town PR play

you don't know me and don't know my TPR play. stop wolfsiding.

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on obvscum.... gladly? what's your issue with that?

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imo never lynch
{Nancy, Bill, skitter}

probably town
{podoboq, Nibbui}

either way
{sheep}

scum probably
{mastina, lolwagons}

if you want to hammer I can't really be bothered talking you out of it but I still flip TPR

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He’s not explaining because there is no explanation

Jesus

I like the duck from the time I’ve had with him

but this isn’t town PR play

you don't know me and don't know my TPR play. stop wolfsiding.

I don’t know how many times I have to say I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta but here it is again:

I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta

ah I'm guessing the bolded mystically fits into the 5% of holistic meta you do give a fuck about?

gtfo wolf

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tw's tone just...

totally totally shifted after that claim

in an i-kinda-dislike way

fam you can't toneread me, remember when you played against wolf-me.

this tone is a sense of duty, and disappointment.

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duck

you really can't blame me for hammering you here if you are town

like, I'm trying to hear you but what you're doing here just sound like you're trying to mess up or create associatives before the flip

I'm trying to PoE scum so you guys can win if you fuck this up.

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He’s not explaining because there is no explanation

Jesus

I like the duck from the time I’ve had with him

but this isn’t town PR play

you don't know me and don't know my TPR play. stop wolfsiding.

I don’t know how many times I have to say I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta but here it is again:

I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta

ah I'm guessing the bolded mystically fits into the 5% of holistic meta you do give a fuck about?

gtfo wolf

Lol

TPR play in general, not for a specific person

Come on

this is applying a broad meta perspective of "what you perceive to come from a tpr" to a player who is a gambit junkie.

you're applying holistic meta and doing it badly.

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I'm trying to help. What are you trying to hear?

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I'm not sure what else to do right now. like genuinely. this shit is my wincon

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imo never lynch
{Nancy, Bill, skitter}

probably town
{podoboq, Nibbui}

either way
{sheep}

scum probably
{mastina, lolwagons}

if you want to hammer I can't really be bothered talking you out of it but I still flip TPR

Nancy = probably outside wolfrange even if I don't love the way she got out of it.

Bill = blah blah sound real-times abstract anti-consensus voice of reason good reaction to my reaction test blah blah

skitter = smashing wolfrange on real-time interactions, read of me comes from town!her more than scum!her 100% of the time and I don't think she has the Presence and Energy to push against me this hard as scum.

Nibbui = very very likely town but his frozenness and stiffness rn is making me panic

podoboq = his scumrange would be very good for a recently returned player if he's a wolf but whatever I could be wrong proceed with caution

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Excuse me for applying broad trends in how people play and fitting it into this game instead of just taking the fucking words of people I don’t know the alignment of and blindly following them

i forgib u

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Could you full claim at least?

why would I do that......

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not an innocent child/mod comfirmable but beyond reasonable doubt, yes.

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You keep shifting the argument out of the game because you can’t address the points people are making in the game with anything except “oops”

I'm genujelu not sure what the case against me is

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like the highlight of mastina's case was when she called me scum irl which was funny

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skitter and sheep think I'm tonally off while both realising they can't toneread me (sheep is by far a worse offender here bc he can do the opposite of toneread me xD)

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You keep shifting the argument out of the game because you can’t address the points people are making in the game with anything except “oops”

I'm genujelu not sure what the case against me is

Yes, you do. Skitter laid it out and you said he brought up valid points.

Come. On. Now.

she*

that was like a "you don't look like you" case long before a scumcase. as a hater of meta can you please dig it up & give some commentary around what you do and don't support in it?

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duck

from what I know of you, and I know it isn't much, your first priority here would be to not get you lynched, ever, even if it meant you being the nightkill, and then after that going to push your scum reads for the lynch today

I'm trying to revalueate you every second but this just doesn't match nicely

yeah?
wait what?

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no, i checked before i voted, that's the third

in case you're wondering:
-> things i may have seen as townie from you idk if they're ai anymore
-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

p-edit idk what that's referring to

-> you're also not really engaging me about the non-meta reasons i may be scumreading you, which i find scummy
(ie you ignored this post, tell me you don't want to talk about the bad posts or try to redirect the convo about them, etc)

Only the first point is meta related. I literally asked Skitter what he thought of your entrance on the wagon and told him it made me squirm. You’re trying to frame this like I’m along for the ride but I believe I was the one who switched momentum from Nancy to you.

the first three points.... only make sense in the context of me being me and feeling wrong / having bad posts that "feel wrong" and being fake-bravado-ey which is not a wolftell and is only something skitter identifies as coming from scum!me sometimes (for the record: likely American presidents mafia). Only the LAST point references non meta points and it was not a non meta point. it was asking me to engage her on ingame stuff.

you are bullshitting unabashedly.

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also..... a mislynch failed so you steered momentum onto another mislynch......?

round of applause, please people

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Could you full claim at least?

why would I do that......

'Cause you're getting lynched?

Btw you said you didn't get the case on you: I'm voting you for pocketing Nibbui since the begining and continued to do it until the end; because you voted mastina instead of lolwagons because there was some momentum for building that wagon instead of your stated biggest scumread; because your read evolution on mastina makes no sense at all, since you stated she was towntelling, and after she became your counterwagon she became "obvscum"; 'cause your interactions with players like skitter and sheep looks fake in order to make them look bad if you flip scum; because of trying to get towncred after Nancy spewing towniness; and because, basically, your whole ISO looks scummier than anyone else does.

if you lynch scum I will be comfirmable by endgame.
claiming my role only gives wolf manipulative roles a way to mess with that. on the contrary I'd rather have them waste investivagives on me.

if you trust me I don't need to fullclaim.. if you don't trust me my fullclaim does nothing.

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also..... a mislynch failed so you steered momentum onto another mislynch......?

round of applause, please people

Jesus Christ you literally can’t talk about the topic at hand.

This is textbook scumplay.

I’m trying to talk about how you were framing my contributions as retroactive and not proactive and you use your response to just try to posture yourself as town instead of directly addressing the issue.

Try: you are positioning me for a mislynch and making NO SENSE. respond to my pagebotton post.

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Could you full claim at least?

why would I do that......

'Cause you're getting lynched?

Btw you said you didn't get the case on you: I'm voting you for pocketing Nibbui since the begining and continued to do it until the end; because you voted mastina instead of lolwagons because there was some momentum for building that wagon instead of your stated biggest scumread; because your read evolution on mastina makes no sense at all, since you stated she was towntelling, and after she became your counterwagon she became "obvscum"; 'cause your interactions with players like skitter and sheep looks fake in order to make them look bad if you flip scum; because of trying to get towncred after Nancy spewing towniness; and because, basically, your whole ISO looks scummier than anyone else does.

her reading me wrong is town indicative. her waffling and pushing an agenda this hard at the expense of making sense is 100% wolf.

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duck

from what I know of you, and I know it isn't much, your first priority here would be to not get you lynched, ever, even if it meant you being the nightkill, and then after that going to push your scum reads for the lynch today

I'm trying to revalueate you every second but this just doesn't match nicely

yeah?
wait what?

you're not as much as trying to not get yourself lynched as you are throwing the throw even though you're supposedly confirmable town role

I've a weird point that you can still be town here since I think you would have simply claimed cop for example as scum to try to out any cops here

it doesn't make sense what you are doing though

I don't want to be lynched because it's mechanically bad. I'm trying to PoE scum because my actual wincon is lynching scum, not avoiding my lynch.

I'm not entirely sure I'm following what your issue is with what I'm doing, could you elaborate a bit on what makes my combination of survivalist / scumhunting or shadethrowing play decisively scum indicative to you?

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-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

^That is skitter’s case without the meta piece

It makes PERFECT SENSE WITHOUT THE META PIECE

And just because she used the word “feel” doesn’t invalidate the points being made. Once again instead of being transparent with your reasoning on why you did these things you are shifting to a semantics argument.

OK let's remove meta from this.

1) I used strange turn of phrase. I suggested lynching my nullscum reads. I gave intent to hammer to draw a reaction out of a player who I KNOW gives alignment indicative reactions when put under pressure.
2) I have a personality and am acting bravadoey. I made a joke about being n1'd.

you're quoting a LITERAL META CASE and saying you hate meta and that it's ingame logic. it's completely rhetorically biased by the fact skitter has meta knowledge of me. the fact you're not seeing this is tragic at best and scumclaiming at worst.

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I'm pretty sure that the NK thing was sarcasm regardless of his alignment

Nibbui gets me :<

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also..... a mislynch failed so you steered momentum onto another mislynch......?

round of applause, please people

Jesus Christ you literally can’t talk about the topic at hand.

This is textbook scumplay.

I’m trying to talk about how you were framing my contributions as retroactive and not proactive and you use your response to just try to posture yourself as town instead of directly addressing the issue.

Try: you are positioning me for a mislynch and making NO SENSE. respond to my pagebotton post.

Still. Not. Addressing. The. Issue. Still. Subtle. Posturing.

pagebotton post is the continuation of our conversation. everything else were talking about is mud flinging. please comment on which parts of the case you find alignment indicative when you remove meta. or maybe write up why YOU think I'm scum! wow

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Why should I have to fill a demand to respond to a post before you answer me? As town here wouldn’t you be happily transparent?

I keep responding to you but I think we're screaming at each other for no reason rather than continuing a valid conversation

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I'm pretty sure that the NK thing was sarcasm regardless of his alignment

Nibbui gets me :<

You’ve had multiple chances to say it was a joke but you couldn’t come up with that answer on your own?

lol
sweaty please

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I don't have a problem with you being survivalistic

I have a problem with you not being survivalistic when you are a confirmable town PR and you think that there is obvious scum to be lynched

town!duck puts a lot of importance on power roles and we are on a micro where there's probably not many of them

I expected you to be a lot more decisive on the stance "I'm not fucking getting lynched today, ever."

1) I am eh towards power roles but as you know I'm secretly reasonably good at mechanics but that is also a mild scumtell for me

2) what do you think my current posting is? I'm L-1 with intent. wtf else am I meant to do?

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-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

^That is skitter’s case without the meta piece

It makes PERFECT SENSE WITHOUT THE META PIECE

And just because she used the word “feel” doesn’t invalidate the points being made. Once again instead of being transparent with your reasoning on why you did these things you are shifting to a semantics argument.

OK let's remove meta from this.

1) I used strange turn of phrase. I suggested lynching my nullscum reads. I gave intent to hammer to draw a reaction out of a player who I KNOW gives alignment indicative reactions when put under pressure.
2) I have a personality and am acting bravadoey. I made a joke about being n1'd.

you're quoting a LITERAL META CASE and saying you hate meta and that it's ingame logic. it's completely rhetorically biased by the fact skitter has meta knowledge of me. the fact you're not seeing this is tragic at best and scumclaiming at worst.

But without the context of that meta I still agree with those points and think they are all strong enough to stand on their own.

1) is blatant townsiding (I'll be here post-game to back this up) and #2 is never alignment indicative

the only reason I find skitter's case valid and towny is because she has the exact correct meta with me to reach the conclusion that false bravado = wolf. it's not correct nor a reliable tell but it's a towny stance from her.

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like, it's as if you're avoiding trying to be survivalistic because for some reason people think that "being survivalistic is a scum tell" when in truth I think you would be way more likely to be VERY survivalistic here and just saying "I'M NOT GETTING LYNCHED" if you are a CONFIRMABLE town role.

in Jungle Republic I basically got that you were a PR because you were like

"yep, nop, you guys aren't fucking wagoning me today you bitches"

what do you think I'm doing here tho

Like I was acrually early wagoned in Jungle Republic which means I had the opportunity to soft it effectively

I'm being late phase flashwagoned here so I kinda have to change my tu e

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which question? there was quite a lot of stuff to respond to

and bluntly I never expected to be lynched over mastina here o.0 I th9ught this list knew me too well.

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Why should I have to fill a demand to respond to a post before you answer me? As town here wouldn’t you be happily transparent?

I keep responding to you but I think we're screaming at each other for no reason rather than continuing a valid conversation

No shit.

Look, I’m really sorry if you’re town and I’m sorry if this is your first impression of me like this but I am not buying the claim. It is inconsistent with how you’ve played, and even before that claim a lot of your votes onto and off wagons felt contrived and driven more by framing the lynch a certain way than sorting.

Stahp

I don't care

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scumcase me coward

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I want to hear in YOUR words what you think is scum indicative from me. you're currently Sheeping skitter's "non meta" points which in that quote are very specifically NAI choices I've made which are rhetorically flavoured by her meta knowledge of me.

this is closer to like, pseudo warlocking than it is scumhunting from y9i which is why I've ended up at like "lolwagons obvscum" so if you can show me the inside of your brain rq I'd appreciate it

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Yeah duck's reaction is pretty much what it should because of context. Keep going duck. I still think you should be lynched, but this past pages have the best you have provided so far.

for the record I have no choice in how to respond as either TPR or scum here but lolwagons probably spews his alignment which is ++ev

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Nibbui I don't get emotional over mafia much anymore. the dead inside tonality is real. I get disappointed not mad because I'm no longer sure if I expect people to know better.

please don't try to toneread me when your meta is that cold

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I'm not mad. it's a side part of my role to show you guys that I'm town and need to not be lynched. at the same time if you can't see that I'm comfortable I've done what I can do.

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I am absolutely fine with doing a case on you but if that's what is going to happen I need to know it is actually crucial to Sheep and Nibbui's decision because I am not spending an hour on my day off doing something inconsequential.

it's crucial to you being read correctly regardless of what Nibbui and sheep think. even if I'm speedlynched I want you to ignore the flip and write the fucker and post it d2.

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Nibbui I don't get emotional over mafia much anymore. the dead inside tonality is real. I get disappointed not mad because I'm no longer sure if I expect people to know better.

please don't try to toneread me when your meta is that cold

???

I'm not saying that I like it as alignment indicative

I said I like it as a playstyle thing

I've problem playing around AtE and I appreciate you not using it regardless of your alignment

Thanks \o/ it's sometbing I'm trying to shift away from heavily

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fam I'm tired

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fam I'm tired

oh ok...

next time I guess

I'll rap battle with lolwagons if you flip town

I'll self hammer to see this

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well you can perform the NK if you want

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it's not even close to out of game. it's not even perspective spewing. you're delaying this until AFTER I'm mislynched

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The worst has been slimy
Suspicious aren't getting tinier

Claimed confirmable power role
Only to not get quicklynched????

Though I've mulled
I can't see a town mindset
I don't know if the problem is with me
or with the role pm he received

This day has been fun
but it needs come to end
doesn't matter the flip or bread
I hope we meet again in the future

that's close enough

I still don't like how you froze up when I asked for reasons
if lolwagons' case doesn't have a bleeding heart, lolwagon him back

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you may release my thread

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This is why I tell everyone skitter is teh best

Obligatory "you should probably have lynched the literal cop guilty before the cop who was miles outside their scumrange" here but I'm not actually too upset just... something I noticed in the dead thread which I probably would have forgotten to think about if I was still alive.....

Awesome game all. Great job pushing this thru to 3p after a near solve d1, mastina & sheep

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@pb, yeah my comment just now was a bit overly rhetorical sorry. even so guilty before investigative is a pretty good rule of thumb.

And like if they were mastina's partner they'd need two more mislynches so claiming a guilty then on a slot who was highly lynchable anyway would've been fairly close to gametheowing

mastina's setup on that slot was VERY good. I think their reaction to realizing they'd been totally played was also really towny

even so like.... we won and the mislynch was more or less fine... I guess it's just something I picked up on that I thought I wanted to talk about post-game. If I was alive I can't guarantee I would've thought about this the same way anyway, just food for thought

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Good modding

oh yes
a lot of this

schadd_ delivers again<3

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schadd_ delivers again<3

these are strong words from someone whose voice request is probably going to happen >2 days after the game ends

quoting someone whose voice request has a 5% chance of happening ever

I mean I came into the game not even expecting a voice request so I'm allowing myself a moment of impressedness and then will have another moment of impressedness when/if the voice request is fulfilled

I hope the post I selected was palatable

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wait tw gave nancy the cop thing? that explains a lot of the start-of-day2 weirdness ctually

yup

knowing how mastina does NKs and based on the top tier of my townreads I worked out there was exactly a -700% chance that slot would ever be killed n1

was pretty proud of that decision

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yeah it was super not easy to guess how that was going to go down
I was like OH HYPE when schadd_ told me

pedit: <3!!
I've enjoyed a few of your games TONNES and this has joined the top rank

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it's really neat exploring factional abilities I think

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Nancy<3

Mislynches & good scum setups happen - it's a part of the mafia addiction life.. it's definitely pretty trippy the first time you become a victim of it though.

It's really cool of you to feel like you've gone too far and apologise for it. It's something that's really constructive to work on from a playstyle pov, and it takes quite a lot of courage to say post-game in public.

still think you rock.
<3