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It's my feeling that as a VT, it's your goal to draw the night kill. I would think a miller could be played the same way. In my mind the best strategy would be to hint at a non-specific PR to do so. If you survive to the end game, you could end up badly hurting town, so trying to draw a kill is probably optimum.In post 21, MaryJoLisa wrote:I don't really *get* the role. Seems damaging to town for nothing. If I get lynched in the natural course of the game, the reads that I left behind would be reviewed retroactively as coming from a town perspective.In post 17, CheekyTeeky wrote:So pure. You played it right.
This role more or less ensures town one less player for nothing in return.
My limited experience with Mary Jo is that a lot of things she says sounds forced. She’s like a self-inflicting grammer Nazi at times.In post 33, nomnomnom wrote:It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.In post 31, skitter30 wrote:I'm p sure there could be daychat if there's an encryptor.In post 18, Elsa Jay wrote:I almost don't want to trust such a pure act of kindness, but a newbie would legitimately make this play. I'd say she got told to do it but there's no daychat. So uh... Good for her.
Also i'm p sure that claim comes from town
A part of me can’t really place it right but I think this is a valid point. Mary Jo strikes me as more of the analytical type. Someone who is vastly more in the element when solving the game through night actions, role claims, and flavor (when applicable).In post 44, nomnomnom wrote:Even if it's just before? I'm fairly sure town!MJL would have read the thing just on top and asked more questions about the place of a miller in a setup but in here she acted confused. That's how I feel about the slot anyway.In post 42, skitter30 wrote:I don't understand the problem you're having really, she can read the advice on how to play without getting the role of a miller in a setupIn post 40, nomnomnom wrote:Now explain to me how someone would follow the play section to the letter and somehow not understand the role when it's explained just before.
In post 25, nomnomnom wrote:It's okay I'm a vig too, I'll do the dirty job for you this time around.
The mind game that Nom was attempting to run here doesn’t really come from scum in my opinion. He’s not looking to take advantage of her trust or beat her at some contest.In post 27, nomnomnom wrote:I'm a regular vig, I can shoot any time I want. I'll just shoot you tonight.In post 26, MaryJoLisa wrote:You won't lose the shot? Are vig shots rechargeable?
I'd also be fine with a quick lynch if it's in town's best interest.
Who's the scum?
Same here. On vacation right nowIn post 58, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm not too shabby! You?
LUV town. Nom town. Skitter town. MJL town.
Not seeing if honestly. I find it unlikely that scum would give themselves up in what would probably be a 1 for 1 trade here. I also think you’re confusing real with can’t follow.In post 63, skitter30 wrote:i don't see why this doesn't come from scum and i dislike his push on her; it's hard to explain but it doesn't feel like it comes from a ~real~ thought process so much as he's looking for a reason to push herIn post 56, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 25, nomnomnom wrote:It's okay I'm a vig too, I'll do the dirty job for you this time around.The mind game that Nom was attempting to run here doesn’t really come from scum in my opinion. He’s not looking to take advantage of her trust or beat her at some contest.In post 27, nomnomnom wrote:I'm a regular vig, I can shoot any time I want. I'll just shoot you tonight.In post 26, MaryJoLisa wrote:You won't lose the shot? Are vig shots rechargeable?
I'd also be fine with a quick lynch if it's in town's best interest.
Who's the scum?
You could say the same for Nom. Fake claiming miller is pretty simple.In post 64, Saudade wrote:Your idea is not bad skitter30 but it's a bit too simple
Oop.In post 109, nomnomnom wrote:it's okay next time I'll make sure to make a photoshop edit with neon signs that say THIS IS SARCASM BY THE WAY. LOL!
I think there are other ways to do that. I don’t see it being better than giving herself the option self-hammer as scum. Cutting off discussion and making others look bad seems a lot more rewarding than hoping to get even more town credit by randomly self-voting at L-4.In post 121, nomnomnom wrote:A world where you see people townreading you because you say speedlynching you day 1 is a good idea, so you double-down on that idea.
It's like LAMIST on crack.
?In post 154, Creature wrote:Is it mafia doctor?In post 14, MaryJoLisa wrote:I have a weird role this time
Spit it outIn post 226, nomnomnom wrote:I do have some concerns about LUV but I'd like to know about the skitter stuffIn post 224, Blake Belladonna wrote:I've seen no reason whatsoever to be townreading Skitter30 at this point, and on the contrary I see reason to be really suspicious about how she's been approaching this game.
Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.
Is he one of those Not Mafia kind of players?In post 248, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm happy leaving saudade alive today but you all have to agree he doesn't make lylo.
This feels off to me because I think a good majority of this site would say Skitter is a lot easier to sort than I am.In post 256, Blake Belladonna wrote:What makes this approach by me specifically scum trying to break up a townblock and not town trying to root out scum in the townblock?
I am voting LUV because I think I will get far more information from pushing him than skitter.
Yeah not exactly. He seems a lot more charismatic as opposed to witty. Not Mafia kind of a players to me though are players that tend to joke around often and give reads with little to no explanation.In post 268, nomnomnom wrote:I've played with both. They're not the same kind at all.In post 266, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Is he one of those Not Mafia kind of players?In post 248, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm happy leaving saudade alive today but you all have to agree he doesn't make lylo.
I feel pretty good about Cheeky, Mary Jo, and Nom.
In post 286, CheekyTeeky wrote:LUV who's scum?
Voting the Elsa Jay slot based on 134. Her question didn’t need to asked because not much had happened for your reads to have changed or anything. You also had expressed a strong interest in wanting Creature to get involved and engaged at the time.In post 287, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'd be down to lynch Creature.
How should it have played out then?In post 315, Blake Belladonna wrote:The entire way that debate played out is not something I would expect from a group of players that are all town. A lot of it is how the game as a whole played out, tone, and the general trajectories of everyone involved.In post 312, skitter30 wrote:how did you get to me/luv being tvs?In post 225, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think there's exactly one scum within those two players.
The other is within Creature and Deltawave, if I had to guess.
It's as close to a gamestate read as you're getting from me on day one.
What information? I gave you a few people I like for town without any reasoning.In post 325, Blake Belladonna wrote:I specifically pushed LUV because:In post 320, skitter30 wrote:also this is awful; if you think i'm scum vote me; don't vote the player that's easier to wagon/lynchIn post 250, Blake Belladonna wrote:VOTE: Lil Uzi VertIn post 247, nomnomnom wrote:@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn
a. I knew you would engage me regardless of whether I started pressuring you directly or not. I did not have that same read on LUV.
b. Direct pressure would not give me sortable information on you, it had some ability to work on LUV.
c. My read on LUV is "town because ? and scum because ?" and I need to be able to sort those out in order to decide which one it is. My read on you is directly because of your overall approach to the game and how it's affected your content.
And this game because?In post 352, Saudade wrote:Ive only tried this playstyle once before so good luck going over my games
This is fair. I generally don’t respond to being scum read. I don’t respond to being wagoned either though if I feel it’s not real or if it’s obviously not real.In post 364, Blake Belladonna wrote:Specifically with wagoning, skitter.
I always knew you were going to engage me on my scumread when you saw it, what exactly is a wagon going to do to help that? I'm going to have to burn part of what little credibility I have to push either slot anyways, so I might as well get something I wouldn't otherwise get for it.
We haven’t even gone back and forth yet?In post 407, skitter30 wrote:i'm p. sure luv/ank is not tvt
I didn’t have any reaction to her vote though?In post 424, skitter30 wrote:the way she voted you and the way you responded feel weird to meIn post 414, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:We haven’t even gone back and forth yet?In post 407, skitter30 wrote:i'm p. sure luv/ank is not tvt
No.In post 430, Saudade wrote:are you the dirty scum we're looking for
Well that doesn’t help.In post 440, skitter30 wrote:i don't know how to articulate rn beyond: 'feels weird' and 'that whole interaction didn't feel tvt' (ie from when ank voted you through those posts i quoted)In post 435, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Don’t see what’s weird there at all. I don’t understand Blake’s understanding of the game stare or what she learned from voting for me. Last me understanding why she opted to voted for me even though I still think she’s wrong on that one.
Oh Mary Jo, you don’t know how insane Day-talk can be.In post 451, MaryJoLisa wrote:In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.In post 397, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'd be very shocked.
"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."
The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
What’s changed?In post 460, Creature wrote:Used to feel more confident. Still am confident on MJL and nomnom though.
There isn’t actually and I’ll start with your case on me. Oh and you’ve lost me again by the way.In post 486, Blake Belladonna wrote:And as an addition for why Creature is as scum?
He's playing heavily survivalistically. This recent thought process is not a real one, because there are far better reasons than those three are the lowest posters to scumread them. Creature is scum realizing that he's in a hole because too many people are clearly town for him to win.
Lil Uzi Vert is scum because he's been playing the whole game politically instead of actually sorting people. His interactions with skitter and me are fake and made to look busy more than actually sorting people. Also of note is that he had no strong opinion of skitter after that engagement he had with her clearly showing he had a scumread trajectory on her.
Deltawave is null, but there are good reasons to townread everybody else in the game. The game is really as simple as it looks and I would be pretty shocked if the scumteam wasn't in that list.
Yeah it was for youIn post 489, skitter30 wrote:Oh was this addressed to me? Not reallyIn post 437, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Are you calling me out on my self-meta Skitter or?
Welcome to my world!In post 506, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think I'm always going to be confused about why I get scumread in most of my towngames.
?In post 528, Blake Belladonna wrote:Alright I'm checking out of the thread.
Let me know if I need to answer anything, but otherwise I'm leaving you with the same PoE that should have been very obvious today.
How have I been snipping? I haven’t made any sly or petty attacks on Skitter.In post 565, Blake Belladonna wrote:LUV
You sniped at a couple of skitters posts from the side and then went nowhere with them, then voted my predecessor and have given no indication whatsoever that anything I've done has shifted anything or that you're independently scumreading anything I'm doing. And now you're coming in here and asking Creature why he unvoted me?
I don’t even know what this means.In post 566, Blake Belladonna wrote:You're playing politically in the sense that you're playing for appearance and not trying to sort out the game.
That’s fair.In post 570, Creature wrote:realized you and skitter weren't that off your scum range.In post 556, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What’s changed?In post 460, Creature wrote:Used to feel more confident. Still am confident on MJL and nomnom though.
Tone, eagerness to create and maintain a town block, shining the spotlight on Creature and Delta’s slot early on.In post 584, Saudade wrote:why do you townread cheekybricky
In post 596, Saudade wrote:eagerness to maintain herself in a townblock maybeIn post 594, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Tone, eagerness to create and maintain a town block, shining the spotlight on Creature and Delta’s slot early on.In post 584, Saudade wrote:why do you townread cheekybricky
shining spotlight on the weakest player in the table + afk slot is no credential
not to mention she ran away from confrontation with me =(
hang give rope hang give rope hang give rope
I wouldn’t consider Creature weak by any stretch of the imagination. Easy to push on but not weak.In post 597, Saudade wrote:Fuck ya'll reading people based off tone, ridiculous statement go back to the newbie queue
In post 619, CheekyTeeky wrote:It's a meta read I have. He's relying more on charisma than caring about sorting. He's tunneling me to avoid giving info incase he flips which is exactly what he did as scum last I recall except he tunnelled someone else.In post 618, TDC wrote:I would appreciate something more explicit. What part of his play crosses from shit to scum?In post 617, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys saudade is scum can we please just lynch him please. I'm going to be mad if he endgames doing nothing because you all were too busy bickering amongst yourselves to notice he's openwolfing.
I'm honestly baffled people are townreading him.
He’s definitely ran his course with his push on you. Before I attempt to dive deep here, what do you think about him saying he’s trying a new play style? Why do you think it’s likely he’s playing scum like he did back then?In post 623, CheekyTeeky wrote:viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77358 scum.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77685 town.
Sorry can't be bothered making it pretty I'm phone posting.
What’s the case?In post 635, nomnomnom wrote:The problem is that I also see a case for scum!skitter and scum!LUV. So at this point it's a matter of deciding which one of them we absolutely do not trust.
You and Mary Jo are my strongest town reads. I still feel Nom Nom’s push on the miller claim doesn’t come from scum.In post 654, CheekyTeeky wrote:LUV where's your head at? Can I get a readslist please bruv.
I don’t have a method to reading you?In post 661, skitter30 wrote:remind me how you're reading me again?In post 576, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How have I been snipping? I haven’t made any sly or petty attacks on Skitter.In post 565, Blake Belladonna wrote:LUV
You sniped at a couple of skitters posts from the side and then went nowhere with them, then voted my predecessor and have given no indication whatsoever that anything I've done has shifted anything or that you're independently scumreading anything I'm doing. And now you're coming in here and asking Creature why he unvoted me?
Maybe because I haven’t seen anything to change my view and have only felt that I’m on the right track based on a few things? I stated that I didn’t understand your reasoning for voting me over Skitter initially and even after coming to an understanding, it still didn’t jive with me. I didn’t understand your thought process regarding your early game state read or why you feel my interactions are fake. I also very much agree with a post Nom made about how you and Skitter’s heated (if it can even be considered that) fizzled out.