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I don't really *get* the role. Seems damaging to town for nothing. If I get lynched in the natural course of the game, the reads that I left behind would be reviewed retroactively as coming from a town perspective.
This role more or less ensures town one less player for nothing in return.
It's my feeling that as a VT, it's your goal to draw the night kill. I would think a miller could be played the same way. In my mind the best strategy would be to hint at a non-specific PR to do so. If you survive to the end game, you could end up badly hurting town, so trying to draw a kill is probably optimum.
In post 18, Elsa Jay wrote:I almost don't want to trust such a pure act of kindness, but a newbie would legitimately make this play. I'd say she got told to do it but there's no daychat. So uh... Good for her.
I'm p sure there could be daychat if there's an encryptor.
Also i'm p sure that claim comes from town
It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.
My limited experience with Mary Jo is that a lot of things she says sounds forced. She’s like a self-inflicting grammer Nazi at times.
In post 40, nomnomnom wrote:Now explain to me how someone would follow the play section to the letter and somehow not understand the role when it's explained just before.
I don't understand the problem you're having really, she can read the advice on how to play without getting the role of a miller in a setup
Even if it's just before? I'm fairly sure town!MJL would have read the thing just on top and asked more questions about the place of a miller in a setup but in here she acted confused. That's how I feel about the slot anyway.
A part of me can’t really place it right but I think this is a valid point. Mary Jo strikes me as more of the analytical type. Someone who is vastly more in the element when solving the game through night actions, role claims, and flavor (when applicable).
In post 26, MaryJoLisa wrote:You won't lose the shot? Are vig shots rechargeable?
I'd also be fine with a quick lynch if it's in town's best interest.
I'm a regular vig, I can shoot any time I want. I'll just shoot you tonight.
Who's the scum?
The mind game that Nom was attempting to run here doesn’t really come from scum in my opinion. He’s not looking to take advantage of her trust or beat her at some contest.
In post 26, MaryJoLisa wrote:You won't lose the shot? Are vig shots rechargeable?
I'd also be fine with a quick lynch if it's in town's best interest.
I'm a regular vig, I can shoot any time I want. I'll just shoot you tonight.
Who's the scum?
The mind game that Nom was attempting to run here doesn’t really come from scum in my opinion. He’s not looking to take advantage of her trust or beat her at some contest.
i don't see why this doesn't come from scum and i dislike his push on her; it's hard to explain but it doesn't feel like it comes from a ~real~ thought process so much as he's looking for a reason to push her
Not seeing if honestly. I find it unlikely that scum would give themselves up in what would probably be a 1 for 1 trade here. I also think you’re confusing real with can’t follow.
A world where you see people townreading you because you say speedlynching you day 1 is a good idea, so you double-down on that idea.
It's like LAMIST on crack.
I think there are other ways to do that. I don’t see it being better than giving herself the option self-hammer as scum. Cutting off discussion and making others look bad seems a lot more rewarding than hoping to get even more town credit by randomly self-voting at L-4.
In post 224, Blake Belladonna wrote:I've seen no reason whatsoever to be townreading Skitter30 at this point, and on the contrary I see reason to be really suspicious about how she's been approaching this game.
Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.
I do have some concerns about LUV but I'd like to know about the skitter stuff
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Post #267 (isolation #18) » Tue May 28, 2019 11:30 am
Postby Lil Uzi Vert »
In post 256, Blake Belladonna wrote:What makes this approach by me specifically scum trying to break up a townblock and not town trying to root out scum in the townblock?
I am voting LUV because I think I will get far more information from pushing him than skitter.
This feels off to me because I think a good majority of this site would say Skitter is a lot easier to sort than I am.
In post 248, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm happy leaving saudade alive today but you all have to agree he doesn't make lylo.
Is he one of those Not Mafia kind of players?
I've played with both. They're not the same kind at all.
Yeah not exactly. He seems a lot more charismatic as opposed to witty. Not Mafia kind of a players to me though are players that tend to joke around often and give reads with little to no explanation.
Voting the Elsa Jay slot based on 134. Her question didn’t need to asked because not much had happened for your reads to have changed or anything. You also had expressed a strong interest in wanting Creature to get involved and engaged at the time.
I can get down with Creature. I used to like giving him a day because if he doesn’t town it up within a two week span, he’s confirmed scum every time. I’ve gotten burned by that in past (twice) though. He was forgotten about in both games due to a spree of TvT spats and cruised to endgame.
The other is within Creature and Deltawave, if I had to guess.
how did you get to me/luv being tvs?
The entire way that debate played out is not something I would expect from a group of players that are all town. A lot of it is how the game as a whole played out, tone, and the general trajectories of everyone involved.
It's as close to a gamestate read as you're getting from me on day one.
In post 247, nomnomnom wrote:@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
also this is awful; if you think i'm scum vote me; don't vote the player that's easier to wagon/lynch
I specifically pushed LUV because:
a. I knew you would engage me regardless of whether I started pressuring you directly or not. I did not have that same read on LUV.
b. Direct pressure would not give me sortable information on you, it had some ability to work on LUV.
c. My read on LUV is "town because ? and scum because ?" and I need to be able to sort those out in order to decide which one it is. My read on you is directly because of your overall approach to the game and how it's affected your content.
What information? I gave you a few people I like for town without any reasoning.
I think Skitter would most certainly have given you a lot more of what you’re looking for in response to pressure.
I always knew you were going to engage me on my scumread when you saw it, what exactly is a wagon going to do to help that? I'm going to have to burn part of what little credibility I have to push either slot anyways, so I might as well get something I wouldn't otherwise get for it.
This is fair. I generally don’t respond to being scum read. I don’t respond to being wagoned either though if I feel it’s not real or if it’s obviously not real.
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Post #435 (isolation #33) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:04 pm
Postby Lil Uzi Vert »
Don’t see what’s weird there at all. I don’t understand Blake’s understanding of the game stare or what she learned from voting for me. Last me understanding why she opted to voted for me even though I still think she’s wrong on that one.
In post 435, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Don’t see what’s weird there at all. I don’t understand Blake’s understanding of the game stare or what she learned from voting for me. Last me understanding why she opted to voted for me even though I still think she’s wrong on that one.
i don't know how to articulate rn beyond: 'feels weird' and 'that whole interaction didn't feel tvt' (ie from when ank voted you through those posts i quoted)
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.
"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."
The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
Oh Mary Jo, you don’t know how insane Day-talk can be.
He's playing heavily survivalistically. This recent thought process is not a real one, because there are far better reasons than those three are the lowest posters to scumread them. Creature is scum realizing that he's in a hole because too many people are clearly town for him to win.
Lil Uzi Vert is scum because he's been playing the whole game politically instead of actually sorting people. His interactions with skitter and me are fake and made to look busy more than actually sorting people. Also of note is that he had no strong opinion of skitter after that engagement he had with her clearly showing he had a scumread trajectory on her.
Deltawave is null, but there are good reasons to townread everybody else in the game. The game is really as simple as it looks and I would be pretty shocked if the scumteam wasn't in that list.
There isn’t actually and I’ll start with your case on me. Oh and you’ve lost me again by the way.
There’s nothing wrong with being political and it’s actually one of the reasons I think Cheeky is town. She’s been adamant about the reads she feels confident in and whose reads or abilities she trust. She’s essentially creating a game state or an atmosphere with reads. A town block if you will. I find that to be more personality trait than anything but I’ve seen town be more political than scum.
It be nice if you’d step out your echo chamber a little more and point out why you feel my interactions with Skitter are fake. You’ve ignored most of my attempts to interact with you.
I didn’t have one because I don’t think her push on Nom was anything to condemn her for and I can see it also coming from town.
You sniped at a couple of skitters posts from the side and then went nowhere with them, then voted my predecessor and have given no indication whatsoever that anything I've done has shifted anything or that you're independently scumreading anything I'm doing. And now you're coming in here and asking Creature why he unvoted me?
How have I been snipping? I haven’t made any sly or petty attacks on Skitter.
Maybe because I haven’t seen anything to change my view and have only felt that I’m on the right track based on a few things? I stated that I didn’t understand your reasoning for voting me over Skitter initially and even after coming to an understanding, it still didn’t jive with me. I didn’t understand your thought process regarding your early game state read or why you feel my interactions are fake. I also very much agree with a post Nom made about how you and Skitter’s heated (if it can even be considered that ) fizzled out.
Tone, eagerness to create and maintain a town block, shining the spotlight on Creature and Delta’s slot early on.
eagerness to maintain herself in a townblock maybe
shining spotlight on the weakest player in the table + afk slot is no credential
not to mention she ran away from confrontation with me =(
hang give rope hang give rope hang give rope
In post 597, Saudade wrote:Fuck ya'll reading people based off tone, ridiculous statement go back to the newbie queue
I wouldn’t consider Creature weak by any stretch of the imagination. Easy to push on but not weak.
I find tone reading to be one of the better ways to read players. As a tone reader, we’re trying to understand what a player is feeling and seeing if it makes sense from someone of your alignment. If I was in their shoes, would I feel and act similarly as the same alignment? I’m in tuned with Cheeky so it’s much harder to her to pull a fast one on me.
In post 617, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys saudade is scum can we please just lynch him please. I'm going to be mad if he endgames doing nothing because you all were too busy bickering amongst yourselves to notice he's openwolfing.
I would appreciate something more explicit. What part of his play crosses from shit to scum?
It's a meta read I have. He's relying more on charisma than caring about sorting. He's tunneling me to avoid giving info incase he flips which is exactly what he did as scum last I recall except he tunnelled someone else.
Sorry can't be bothered making it pretty I'm phone posting.
He’s definitely ran his course with his push on you. Before I attempt to dive deep here, what do you think about him saying he’s trying a new play style? Why do you think it’s likely he’s playing scum like he did back then?
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Post #801 (isolation #56) » Thu May 30, 2019 2:15 am
Postby Lil Uzi Vert »
In post 635, nomnomnom wrote:The problem is that I also see a case for scum!skitter and scum!LUV. So at this point it's a matter of deciding which one of them we absolutely do not trust.
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Post #802 (isolation #57) » Thu May 30, 2019 2:15 am
Postby Lil Uzi Vert »
In post 654, CheekyTeeky wrote:LUV where's your head at? Can I get a readslist please bruv.
You and Mary Jo are my strongest town reads. I still feel Nom Nom’s push on the miller claim doesn’t come from scum.
I don’t know what to make of Saudade. He’s playing like a liability at this point though and I think if he doesn’t actually start playing the game soon he will be taken care of before LYLO/MYLO.
I could follow what was said in TDC’s entrance but I don’t want to jump the gun there. He might know a thing or too based on his join date.
You sniped at a couple of skitters posts from the side and then went nowhere with them, then voted my predecessor and have given no indication whatsoever that anything I've done has shifted anything or that you're independently scumreading anything I'm doing. And now you're coming in here and asking Creature why he unvoted me?
How have I been snipping? I haven’t made any sly or petty attacks on Skitter.
Maybe because I haven’t seen anything to change my view and have only felt that I’m on the right track based on a few things? I stated that I didn’t understand your reasoning for voting me over Skitter initially and even after coming to an understanding, it still didn’t jive with me. I didn’t understand your thought process regarding your early game state read or why you feel my interactions are fake. I also very much agree with a post Nom made about how you and Skitter’s heated (if it can even be considered that ) fizzled out.