Micro 874: Generic Micro Normal (game OVER]

[nomnomnom]

on the behalf of future me I apologize sincerely

[nomnomnom]

Oh wait maybe not I got confused with the daytalk encryptor rule.

VOTE: Elsa you scumslipped d1 gurrrl.

interdatstintg!!111!!

[nomnomnom]

Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?

Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.

Just like a miller without a cop, maybe a scum encryptor is just wifom.

w0ah!!!

[nomnomnom]

Lmao. You should make a reaction video nom while you look at everything restrospectively

dude if i ever find a guy and some bitch weants to play homewrecker they can just snipe this fucking game and my chances are fucking kill

[nomnomnom]

yes of course

[nomnomnom]

just forget about it

i'm lonely

[nomnomnom]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[nomnomnom]

sure but i actually probably really should go to bed first lolol

UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

How do you know what it says? I'm genuinely perplexed.

I told you, we're the same kinda person, we view mafia games as a chance to finally be an anime protagonist and save the world etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if we also shared the same insecurities about guys finding us batshit insane if they ever actually sat down and read anything I post on this site lmao

[nomnomnom]

no offense

[nomnomnom]

hahahahaha

i need sleep why am i still posting

stay safe

[nomnomnom]

Something is wrong with all of this.

[nomnomnom]

The fact that you had 17 pages to catch up on, but somehow picked up on DTC's post and decided to come forward as masons.

The fact that you still do not think this is auto.

[nomnomnom]

tdc whatever

[nomnomnom]

@Nomnom, what pronouns do you use? I'm seeing people use both.

[...]you can use either he or she with me, and consider me like a girl or a guy, I don't really care. [...]Only thing I ask is that I'd rather you don't use "they" to refer to me, I frankly don't like it

[nomnomnom]

If he is scum and that you actually are masons, implying this townread reduces the PoE quite substantially and puts the bottleneck on him. So why would he do that?

If we consider 3 scum teams... Skitter + Cheeky + TDC is a possibility and that would explain SOME things, but not some others.

[nomnomnom]

No, here's the thing. The game should be progressing with 2 masons claimed and a miller yet we are at a stalemate and this isn't somehow auto, so I am a bit confused here.

[nomnomnom]

If he is scum and that you actually are masons, implying this townread reduces the PoE quite substantially and puts the bottleneck on him. So why would he do that?

If we consider 3 scum teams... Skitter + Cheeky + TDC is a possibility and that would explain SOME things, but not some others.

and you're complaining about me not seeing that the game is on auto

i'd bet the game on there not being 3 scum in a micro
(micro normal no less!)

That's why I wanted a massclaim.

[nomnomnom]

No, here's the thing. The game should be progressing with 2 masons claimed and a miller yet we are at a stalemate and this isn't somehow auto, so I am a bit confused here.

i don't think it's *auto* - from my pov there's 2 scum in 7 people
incidentally i'm strongly townreading two of these people, so 2 scum in 5 people
that's not auto for day1 in a micro

TDC and MJL are your townreads, right?
Is the rest really that muddled?

[nomnomnom]

Whenever you can reduce the scumpool to 4 this should be auto for you.

[nomnomnom]

Like, again, unless I'm really fucking dumb, scums should never win here. If you guys are masons they are restricted to horrendous night kill options and they have to bank on town collectively fucking up.

[nomnomnom]

well the reason why i didn't care about claiming either way is because in this pl i'm a p good nk option for scum even without the claim; i don't think i make lylo here either way

If you are a claimed mason you are virtually un-killable though? Especially in the context of a micro?

I don't get it.

[nomnomnom]

Can scums really win if they confirm masons?

[nomnomnom]

I just got out of a game about mason hell please send help not again

[nomnomnom]

I doubt scum!blake goes forward and goes out of her way to clear me through meta in a situation like this either, so I believe it's as simple as going Saud/LUV/Creature/TDC

[nomnomnom]

It's okay it doesn't matter now that I think about it.

This should be simple as long as Skitter thinks logically about this with me.

[nomnomnom]

If you don't make it to endgame we can safely go forward without this mason paranoia. That's pretty good.

Also the logical part is to see that scum!blake reducing the lynchpool by townreading me and giving you a strong reason to do is highly unlikely. I think she's town and that at this point paranoia and lack of sleep got in the way.

That, or again, you guys fucked up massively. Lying masons will come apparent later down the road if this is what's happening, but for now? This is pretty much auto.

[nomnomnom]

Like I can't see myself in third person here, but Blake and me is hardly TvS here.

[nomnomnom]

Also I am deeply ashamed of how I was this game hahaha, jesus christ, I look very dumb right now

[nomnomnom]

Alright, I'm done listening to the dumb parts of my brain. Let's just jump right in together.

VOTE: Saudade

[nomnomnom]

like i'd want nomnom/blake (and cheeky while she's around) to keep things on track but i'm slightly nervous i'm getting duped somewhere

The only scenario where that is happening is if Blake and me are SvS. The moment you see this is impossible is the moment you realize this game is literally auto, and that's why I've been confused for a while.

[nomnomnom]

The only remaining question mark in my head is the miller.

[nomnomnom]

i guess i'm imagining a universe where it's like ... idk nom/saudade

and the game goes down as follows:
today we lynch creature
i die
day2 we lynch luv
cheeky dies
day3 we lynch saudade
i guess blake dies?

and then it's 3way tdc/nom/mjl which makes me nervous because while *i* think 2/3 of those people are town, i'm nervous that the people in lylo won't see it
but i guess that's a worst-case scenario

What's the worst case scenario if we lynch Saud first?

[nomnomnom]

Also something to keep in mind is that if MJL actually reached F3 she's probably scum and we'll have a good conversation postgame about why you guys were so adamant to townread that slot

[nomnomnom]

If we lose this is a colossal town failure anyway, so I don't know, we should just embrace it and go forward now. This is pointless.

[nomnomnom]

Were I in your shoes, I'd be getting rid of the sketchy unknown.

I even offered to vote for myself to help town narrow down the playing field. In fact, the offer still stands.

If we do that and you flip town we misused one mislynch.

If you are scum it's going to be apparent down the road anyway. We should be going towards the PoE.

[nomnomnom]

I just have a feeling that there's one thing missing from this puzzle and that's why we're still somewhat scared of going forward. Otherwise this is a formality.

[nomnomnom]

Nah.

[nomnomnom]

i guess i'm imagining a universe where it's like ... idk nom/saudade

and the game goes down as follows:
today we lynch creature
i die
day2 we lynch luv
cheeky dies
day3 we lynch saudade
i guess blake dies?

and then it's 3way tdc/nom/mjl which makes me nervous because while *i* think 2/3 of those people are town, i'm nervous that the people in lylo won't see it
but i guess that's a worst-case scenario

What's the worst case scenario if we lynch Saud first?

well the fact that i'm scumreading other people (creature) more

Why does it matter since this is literally auto???
The order doesn't matter unless you are paranoid about one slot in particular. In that case it's actually better to lynch that slot first unless the worst case scenario is more catastrophic than the one where we lynch creature first.

[nomnomnom]

if cheeky's ok wiht massclaim i'm fine with that happening today too

Blake was against it for some reason, which left me confused.

[nomnomnom]

it doeeeeesn't maaaaatter

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Creature

This is L-1. End this farce.

[nomnomnom]

smash me daddy

[nomnomnom]

if creature flips scum you're mega dead

[nomnomnom]

She told me she would be asleep by now, so yeah.

Again unsure why blake was so hesitant to massclaim.

[nomnomnom]

Well hello. Yep creature can go first.

I don't mind if we massclaim but I don't really see the point tbh.

There's a point. We're going for a day1 solve so it makes sense to lay all the cards on the table now.

[nomnomnom]

im againt a massclaim

[nomnomnom]

Is there anything in particular I am needed for?

Huh explain why you were against a massclaim again

[nomnomnom]

And why you're letting this farce going on as well.

[nomnomnom]

Because... I don't want to massclaim?

We are solving day 1. Explain why you are against a massclaim.

[nomnomnom]

If you don't think it's necessary I don't know why we're waiting for Creature to claim then.

[nomnomnom]

why arent you asking me why im against a massclaim

It's okay I'll give you attention one day, only if you're a good boy etc

[nomnomnom]

I don't see how a massclaim would help me narrow down my reads more since I'm pretty sure it's just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert with maybe Saudade or MJL as a very low probability substitute.

But.

I CAN see scenarios where scum pull some bullshit out of their ass and people get fooled into shifting their reads again and suddenly the game isn't solved anymore.

Hammer.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not hammering shit until the masons are done with what they're doing. Sorry.

They can figure it out in their own PT.

Don't let this farce go any longer if you really think scum can bullshit their way out of this.

[nomnomnom]

They'll figure it out.

This is a waste of time.

[nomnomnom]

Why TDC?

[nomnomnom]

Excellent.

Hammer this.

[nomnomnom]

though, I think this town is hopeless, they keep townreading scum.

Who specifically are you talking about?

He's not gonna tell you because that would mean going outside of the PoE for some reason, despite him going in PoE logic.

He's trapped. This is over. Just hammer this.

[nomnomnom]

If masons aren't going down, I probably am so

Again, apologies for sounding like a dumb idiot for the majority of this game lol

[nomnomnom]

By the way I'm using my vig shot on Saud

[nomnomnom]

Alright, they went with the masons.

Didn't want to lynch creature yesterday but I realized the town stubborness and was willing to take the compromise to get a better push today. I felt guilty for giving in when I knew that slot had low chances to be scum but eh, what can you do.

I want to lynch between Saudade and Blake today. Really should have lynched saud yesterday but what can you do.

[nomnomnom]

Also I guess the mailman part explains why they did not out earlier, probably wanted to pick a conftown and mail them.

[nomnomnom]

The only thing I'm trying to work out is who is Blake's partner if she is scum. And honestly my mind goes to TDC and MJL. The other possibility is that it's saudade and that she banks on town losing on F3.

So what I propose is that we lynch blake today. If she flips scum we need to lynch MJL because the miller claim is still fucking around with my mind. If she doesn't, Saudade must be scum in every scenario.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Blake
That must be the correct lynch today. I see no way around this.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe I'm missing something here. But why is it not blake and saudade?

The only thing I'm trying to work out is who is Blake's partner if she is scum. [...]The other possibility is that it's saudade and that she banks on town losing on F3.

Implied the pair here.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah, but you want to start with mjl.

MJL is a wildcard and I'm not willing to risk a F3 solve with MJL in it. I refuse.

[nomnomnom]

Plus now that we have confirmed masons the miller claim seems incredibly more dubious.

[nomnomnom]

Didn't you have a really strong town read on Blake yesterday, nom?

I did. I changed my mind during the night when rethinking about all of this. I thought that her reducing the PoE could only come from her being town. The creature lynch was wrong as I predicted, and there are high chances that if we go through with saudade, that it's wrong as well. She also wants to avoid a LUV lynch for some reason even though she said she would "follow a wagon", despite my own solve saying that there was one scum in luv/skitter/blake. It's a complicated mess but I believe that there are just too many chances for her to be scum pushing a bad PoE at this point.

I think that this game is solved as long as town collectively understands this game in the same plane of understanding that I do anyway.

[nomnomnom]

Plus now that we have confirmed masons the miller claim seems incredibly more dubious.

Please explain so someone who has essentially no idea about site meta can understand.

Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?

[nomnomnom]

I want to lynch between Saudade and Blake today.

there are high chances that if we go through with saudade, that it's wrong as well.

Confused.

The bottom line is that Blake's PoE (and by incidence yours) was stinky as hell. I really need to develop my town defense skills. I should not have caved in that creature lynch, it cost us a precious solve puzzle piece.

[nomnomnom]

Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?

Why not?

Because there is no inherent synergy between the roles? I know that nonsensical miller spots happen but like, it should be obvious as to why these roles don't go too well together in terms of theme

[nomnomnom]

Is there actually anyone who is town for you, besides Cheeky, nom?

LUV.

[nomnomnom]

Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?

Why not?

Because there is no inherent synergy between the roles? I know that nonsensical miller spots happen but like, it should be obvious as to why these roles don't go too well together in terms of theme

I think any role with synergies with the masons would be really overpowered, so I don't get the problem.

I actually agree with that. My point is that there is no business for a miller existing this game. At all.

[nomnomnom]

We just need to go forward this game, most of the clues are D1. Today is a speedlynch day.

If you are doubtful of my alignment feel free to launch a counterwagon on Saud. If he flips scum, I will not contest being the lynch on D3.

[nomnomnom]

No day is a speedlynch day.

What do you want to discuss? Everything you need to look is on Day 1. You had two days to discuss with your mason partner and have a general idea of what you should go for, and this is what you give me? "Pls no let's slow down"? Urgh...

[nomnomnom]

Everything is a PoE this game because of how you guys approached this game. If it's not Blake then as I said day 1, maybe LUV is back in the scumpool because there is one scum in Skitter/Blake/LUV because of how they interacted.

Saudade is strong solo scum candidate by reducing his amount of discussions.

TDC doesn't sound scum at all.

MJL still possible to be scum because, again, that miller claim is just doo doo.

All you need to do is to take my hand and jump with me. Everything will be fine.

[nomnomnom]

Also, I swear to god, if the scumteam is actually MJL and Blake and that I got persuaded off my two early scumreads I'm going to be REALLY pissed lol

[nomnomnom]

So uh.

I took a step back and rethought my reads out again and watched the last couple pages.

I'm still not entirely sure why the scumteam isn't just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert?

Why hop to Saudade then? And don't tell me anything about pressure.

Because Cheeky followed me before and I was just returning the favor.

Can we just lynch that slot before any disaster happens thank you I will make sure to write you in the special thanks of my successful post-game writing about how I carried this game

[nomnomnom]

Reminder that Blake got to L-1 and went complete AtE as well.

[nomnomnom]

That was before I had to reconsider Skitter's case and yours because Blake was let off an easy hammer. So you know.

[nomnomnom]

Trust me, let's just speedlynch this. You'll actually get nothing of substance, you'll have Blake coming and AtEing her ass off and saying everyone is useless, Saud is going to mock your ass, and LUV is not going to be there much, so there's actually no point in wasting a lot of time here.

[nomnomnom]

I'm a big fan of letting scum spew whatever before lynching them. More info is better than less.

Last time that happen the scum got off the hammer, so you know, more info is not always best.

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

I need to think.

Also cheeky get your act together.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not stuck. I've been the person with the most shifting reads this game. I'd say I've changed my stance the most here, which is a bad thing.

[nomnomnom]

You're still confident on me and MJL being town, Blake?

[nomnomnom]

I buy MJLs claim and would be surprised if nom was town.

This... is not a town post.
Urgh. One second.

[nomnomnom]

This is not town... this guy... is just...
Blanket reads...

[nomnomnom]

Balance wise I'm with Nom, I think we might be looking at three scum here, though not necessarily a group of three.

This post... just resonates with my head...

[nomnomnom]

He's pushing a Blake/Me team... despite us being blatantly non-SvS....

Think god damn it think...

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Blake

You said you would let LUV and Saud check in first.

Take this time to think with me. How is TDC town here?

[nomnomnom]

Blake, speak with me here. What's the roadplan?

[nomnomnom]

The thing is that if I go ahead and lynch blake and she actually is town, we probably lose a 100%. You either lose the IC or you lose me, which leaves you with 5 impractical sorts the next day, which is why the saud lynch was capital yesterday.

[nomnomnom]

Blake and MJL are the scarier slots to sort in general. This is hard.

[nomnomnom]

Cheeky, what's the bit about the setup that Skitter sent to TDC? Let's just not play in the dark in a hard PoE situation here.

[nomnomnom]

Nom you seem very scummy today. In what world do scum kill you?

In a world where Blake is town and you're left to sort 4 players on your own.

[nomnomnom]

Is everyone going to fucking ignore me when I ask stuff today? What's the setup information bit you guys sent to TDC?? Stop playing like this is cluedo for fuck sake, you are depriving town of information right now.

[nomnomnom]

Pray-tell, what's the scumread on me, Saud?

[nomnomnom]

No, I'm actually frustrated. People that obfuscate things on purpose drive me crazy. I'm here losing my mind trying to sort players and find pairings and there are people busy playing cluedo with things that could GREATLY help right now. So yeah, I'm fucking irritated. Just stop.

[nomnomnom]

Stop playing like this is cluedo for fuck sake, you are depriving town of information right now.

It also deprives scum.

WHO CARES WE ARE IN A POE SITUATION, NONE OF THIS HELPS TOWN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[nomnomnom]

If you lynch me we end in the exact same situation where I hammer Blake and she happens to be town, you either lose your only IC or they leave the IC alive because of incompetence.

[nomnomnom]

Nomnom sadly for me cheeky is in this game so you might beat me here

hahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[nomnomnom]

That might not help with your ongoing bullshitter supreme persona, honestly.

[nomnomnom]

Alright Saud, should I shoot Blake or should I start a wagon?

You choose bud.

[nomnomnom]

You know if skitter doesnt lynch scum d1 that means they are exceptionally good

Don't give yourself too much credit.

@Blake how is Saud town again?

[nomnomnom]

Alright Saud, should I shoot Blake or should I start a wagon?

You choose bud.

Shoot yourself, stop the killing mon
It aint right

Actually let's play a game.
You have 10 minutes to tell me if it's better to shoot Blake or start a wagon on you.
It starts now and ends in xx:06.

I am defaulting to shooting Blake, so you better make a decision.

[nomnomnom]

With that said, I'm making myself a coffee. I'll brb

[nomnomnom]

You're silly to assume scum would leave me alive in any scenario.

That's what happened in my latest large normal. Scums left my mason partner alive because they believed he would make a mistake in F3. And that's what happened and town lost. It's not silly.

6 minutes left saud

pedit: for christ sake

[nomnomnom]

to

It is not setup info it is a thought she had about which claims might be expected, and what to think of them if they do.

Let's massclaim then?

[nomnomnom]

to

It is not setup info it is a thought she had about which claims might be expected, and what to think of them if they do.

Lol you were doing so well.

incoming laughter

[nomnomnom]

Wait, what

[nomnomnom]

Cheeky, listen to me carefully, alright?

[nomnomnom]

If Blake is town, I am dying tonight. Are you willing to take the risk?

[nomnomnom]

As I said, this game is won for town as long as town is on the same level of understanding as I am right now. And that failed D1.

As long as that happens, town will win. We just need to synchronize and not let distractions get to us (read, saudade). HOW IS HE TOWN AGAIN???

[nomnomnom]

Saudade, claim first.

[nomnomnom]

Cheeky, I am not hammering until you sit down and retake a good look at this game. This is a townloss if you act like this whatever happens right now.

[nomnomnom]

If LUV flops scum and you get NKed I'm fine with me lynch followed by saudade lynch. Happy?

This is never going to happen.

[nomnomnom]

Random thought:

TDC and Blake is TvS.

[nomnomnom]

If me or town!blake gets to the end of this game, we win. That's all I know for sure.

[nomnomnom]

Blake, how is Saud town? I need some discussion here. This is my only hang-up about this game.

[nomnomnom]

I'm fairly sure we are going to hit the same situation as the large normal if I ever mislynch Blake here. She could be scum, but if she is not, I can guarantee you that you are going to lose this in F5, you simply don't have a sorting mind for it. That's how I think of you as a player, Cheeky. So you need to collaborate with me and assume that Blake is going to get caught eventually if she's scum.

[nomnomnom]

Blake and TDC is not TvT and is most likely TvS. We could lynch Saud. Worst case scenario is that Saud flips town and you are left with that dilemma tomorrow since I will 100% die, scums will never free this 1v1 because these two guys townread me, and so do you.

[nomnomnom]

Um. Lol.

I don't trust you to solve this F5. I'll be straight up with you. Sorry.

[nomnomnom]

That's ok it means nothing coming from you.

I'm saying this because of your unwillingness to collaborate with both Blake and me. We cannot be both scums, so at some point, in order to get somewhere in terms of gamesolving, you need to collaborate with one of us. But you don't do that. So I have absolutely no trust in you when it comes to a F5. You need to understand where I come from here.

[nomnomnom]

town!blake is a strong solver, despite the fact I tricked her in catloaves, I believe in her carrying this game if she actually is town, if it comes to me dying. If she's scum, she's going to betray herself at some point if we end up going for TDC or Saud, and the different flips they entail.

On top of that, I believe that TDC and Blake cannot be both town.

Are you ready to collaborate?

[nomnomnom]

I do not solve the same as you or feel the need to work with you unless a) You're someone I respect or b) I'm assessing you.

You need to collaborate with people at some point. This is a team game, not a professor Layton entry.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: TDC

[nomnomnom]

Once you open your mind, this game is solved and won. I'm putting that out there.

[nomnomnom]

This is a chess game at this point. Once you understand that scum!blake is compromising herself by wanting a TDC lynch, the answer should be obvious. If there is one mislynch to make, it's there. Nowhere else.

Anything else is subpar and is going to cause you to end with 4 unsorted slots tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

A blake mislynch ends with my death.

A MJL mislynch ends with us making no progress on all the other slots.

A Saudade mislynch ends with us making no progress on TDC/Blake.

A LUV mislynch is less optimal than a TDC mislynch because of today's unfolding.

A me mislynch results in Cheeky's death and you are left with the 5 most ??? slots having to re-sort the game between themselves, and that spells death.

The only correct move is a TDC lynch.

[nomnomnom]

Pretty sure Blake was default lynch. She's not compromising herself, just trying to take some down with her.

That's fine, that means we at least get to F3.

[nomnomnom]

I told you. This is a chess game. By playing like this, scum is bound to make a mistake at some point.

[nomnomnom]

To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.

F5 gets to give some lead into F3.

It makes town work for their victory as well. I'd rather reach that F3 than a horrible F5 tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

It bothers me that saudade has been thrown around yet noone ever votes him. .

A Saudade mislynch ends with us making no progress on TDC/Blake.

[nomnomnom]

To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.

F5 gets to give some lead into F3.

It makes town work for their victory as well. I'd rather reach that F3 than a horrible F5 tomorrow.

How so? blake lynch is auto when I flip town.
So all there is is potentially nk choice..

Potential NK choice? You just laid down a roadmap for scum and predicted a F3. How does scum do anything else in this configuration>

[nomnomnom]

Why would scum keep me alive when both of you are adamant on me being town, as well as Cheeky?

Saud and MJL have both expressed concern towards my slot, that's the only thing that could potentially make me reach F3.

[nomnomnom]

I don't buy the TDC/blake interactions as TvS nom. If you could flesh that out?

The way the back and forth went, mostly.

Again, whatever happens, if this is scum!blake, her going for TDC is eventually pitting her against a wall. So I think that we are either dealing with town!blake, or scum!blake has already accepted she's going to be lynched eventually and trusts her partner to win this in F3. Those are the two scenarios I see in this game.

It all comes down to who you think is a better asset as town here. And the answer is town!blake. This is a game of chess from now on. You need to take the most logical move and force your opponent to make a mistake.

[nomnomnom]

If TDC and Blake is TvT, this is a colossal town failure and we have no business of winning this. Just like you guys insisted of having a scumpool of 3 low posters. So you need to go with the most rational move.

[nomnomnom]

nom: Just to make sure. Are you voting me because you think your survival for one more day (you seem convinced you don't endgame) is more important than making the better lynch here, or do you really think I have higher probability of flipping scum than blake?

Both.

[nomnomnom]

Also the first part is a loaded question because it implies I should know that Blake is a better lynch, but she is not.

[nomnomnom]

Paranoia in a game where we have forced a Day 1 solve is absolutely not a towntell here.

[nomnomnom]

And yes, I am aware that this makes me look scummy in contrast, and I'll accept that.

[nomnomnom]

The only way I reach F3 from now on, is if scum believes the last townie believes I am scum, and the only correct configuration for that is Saudade - MJL - Me.

[nomnomnom]

Cheeky, for christ sake.

[nomnomnom]

TDC knows three things:
- Saudade will lock his vote on me from now on.
- You are townreading him and you said you are not willing to go on his slot.
- MJL will follow your word like a sheep.

He knows he cannot get lynched as long as none of these characteristics change. And that's a fact.

[nomnomnom]

I am agenda driven and I am not scared to say that. I have explained why the TDC lynch is the ONLY correct move. If you lynch anything else despite the justification, you are on your own. But that's probably what you want.

[nomnomnom]

You and your mason partner have pushed for a Creature lynch because of a horrible PoE. This is not a good criticism.

If TDC and Blake are both town, we have no business winning this. That means Blake went terribly wrong somewhere, and again, this game is a colossal failure if that's the case. But I don't believe in that version of Blake.

[nomnomnom]

I trust Blake being a decent player. As both alignments.

[nomnomnom]

You and your mason partner have pushed for a Creature lynch because of a horrible PoE. This is not a good criticism.

You mean the wagon you were on and I wasn't?

You guys forced me to join a wagon I didn't want to join because of a stubborn solve that the lowest posters must be scum, which again, I have said was stupid from the start. When you guys are this stubborn, I am forced to unlock the situation, otherwise we sit here screaming at each other and we never move anywhere.

It's in the past anyway, but you have to understand that I made a compromise to get the game moving, despite believing creature was a REALLY subpar lynch yesterday. Because you guys insisted and I realized I did not have remotely close to enough persuasion to get a Saudade lynch, or a blake lynch. That's a wasted mislynch and we only have one left. And the best person to ever use it on is town!TDC. That's a fact. Any other mislynch and you lose the game.

[nomnomnom]

Go ahead, vote me and realize the mistake when you get nightkilled tonight and you let the most unsolved players on the table figure it out. I am sure that will work well! Go ahead champ!

[nomnomnom]

Your mason partner pushed for a creature lynch and would not budge.

[nomnomnom]

Just like you are budging right now to keep TDC alive, despite it being the most logical lynch here.

[nomnomnom]

not budging*

[nomnomnom]

You really are not a teamplayer, are you?

[nomnomnom]

Save me now.

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

Feel free to convince the other players though.

TDC knows three things:
- Saudade will lock his vote on me from now on.
- You are townreading him and you said you are not willing to go on his slot.
- MJL will follow your word like a sheep.

He knows he cannot get lynched as long as none of these characteristics change. And that's a fact.

[nomnomnom]

I refuse to let you toy around with town because you refuse to understand the game to its full extent. I am not moving from TDC.

I'm only going to say one thing. Lynch me, and you die tonight, and at this point you have no bearings on this game altogether, and you leave the 5 most dangerous spots in this game battling it out. If you are going to make a mistake I'd rather you do not make the biggest one.

[nomnomnom]

Fuck all of this honestly.

[nomnomnom]

Luv is not scum though..... aaaaaaaaaaaa

[nomnomnom]

I can live with LUV if LUV town means auto Blake lynch tomorrow.
For LUV scum I'm fine with me lynch and then Blake lynch.

THIS IS SCUM

PLEASE

[nomnomnom]

I'm losing my mind. For the love of jesus christ or whatever forsaken religion you subscribe to, PLEASE.

[nomnomnom]

Debating with stubborn ICs is honestly draining my sanity.

[nomnomnom]

The second best lynch is Blake, followed by Saudade.

It's just reducing your chances of winning compared to a TDC lynch, which gives us a really easy victory together when he flips scum.

[nomnomnom]

If he flips town, again, you can just go for a Blake lynch tomorrow because there is no way they are both town, then you end up with at most 2 different F3s, and at this point, it's just a matter of taking it slow and not making a mistake. That's our best shot at winning. Everything else is an egopush and will lose you the game outright if you are wrong.

You are not a hero, Cheeky. Vote TDC.

[nomnomnom]

Honestly at this point it's not about reads, it's about interactions between the slots. LUV is a complete shot in the dark in terms of gamesolving. And again, if you are wrong, you lose the game outright.

[nomnomnom]

This is a question for town!blake of tomorrow.

There is no reason to discuss this right now. It gives a roadmap for scum. It only makes sense for the remaining 5 to discuss MJL when it becomes relevant. Right now it's pointless to discuss that.

[nomnomnom]

As I explained it literally doesn't matter. MJL will always sheep Cheeky, and saudade has expressed his lock intent on me. The townmeld will literally never happen today in these conditions.

[nomnomnom]

Did you explain how Blake and TDC are certainly SvT? I don't buy the confidence nor your progression onto TDC today which read completely opportunistic.

In fact, yes, I have. Multiple times.

If this is TvT then it screams town incompetence, and I refuse to believe these two are incompetent. So it's TvS at least, and unlikely to be SvS.

[nomnomnom]

I trust Blake's competence as both alignments. That's enough of a reason for me to go through with this solve.

If this is not enough of a reason for you, do your homework and see how today unfolded between TDC and Blake.

You have full control over this game. I advise you not to shoot yourself in the foot, when the options are clear in front of you.

[nomnomnom]

I won't bother, because you are dead set on the guy being town anyway.

The only way you change your mind is if you actually sit down, read what I posted previously, and change your thought by yourself. I am talking to a wall here, it's pointless and it will simply reinforce this feeling that I am opportunistic.

I'm not supposed to do everything for you. You want to win? Then work with people that are making your job easier for you. Or vote them out of the game and realize your incredible mistake when they flip town and that you die the next night, leaving this game with the worst possible case scenario in F5.

Good luck.

[nomnomnom]

100%.

[nomnomnom]

Something she said mad pinged me and Im not wrong on these pings often

There's a first time for everything

[nomnomnom]

Nomnom how many games have you lost as scum

None on this site so far.

[nomnomnom]

Although you probably do not want to judge my scumgame on one game where I ended up tricking Blake into believing her solve was correct, despite not being the case. Which, yes, makes me sound scummy in this game, I realize that.

[nomnomnom]

though, I think this town is hopeless, they keep townreading scum.

Who specifically are you talking about?

He's not gonna tell you because that would mean going outside of the PoE for some reason, despite him going in PoE logic.

He's trapped. This is over. Just hammer this.

He's probably referring to this.

[nomnomnom]

Did you explain how Blake and TDC are certainly SvT? I don't buy the confidence nor your progression onto TDC today which read completely opportunistic.

Fwiw, while I don't understand her strong desire for lynching me, I also don't see the motivation for scum-nom to do that. A bit of why-not-nk-wifom aside, what would stop her from lynching Blake-scum with us and just coasting through?

Well tbh the puzzle I'm seeing is that nom doesn't make sense with Blake but they're both trying to break up the town block since the game started. Nom's progression on you and away from blake was awful today. The reason they don't make sense together is that pushing you first outs them both as scum. If nom was scum then blake would've seen through her as town which means if it is tvs then blake is most likely to be scum.

I don't get how ank can be town in either scenario. But like there's something that's making me hesitate.

Do you get it yet?

[nomnomnom]

the reason I am breaking this townblocc is that you should have realized your townblocc was faulty whenever creature flipped town, and realize that sorting players through posting rate is the most STUPID thing you can ever do.

Learn from your mistakes.

[nomnomnom]

There is not a single compromise town will reach without you, Cheeky. You literally have full control over this game.

One more mistake and you nuke this game.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: TDC

[nomnomnom]

My instinct just wants to lynch Saud, but I know it's an egopush.

We probably should end today asap before we cave in.

[nomnomnom]

Nomnom doesnt talk about luv

You really believe the scumteam is me and LUV?

[nomnomnom]

I believe that if you flip scum i know where my vote is 2morrow

Keep believing.

[nomnomnom]

Im what stands between your lynch and nomnoms sweeping this table

Theorically no, since Cheeky is the only one that has full control of this game. So none of us actually has power here, which makes me go mad given that she is not going to take the easy solve. And it probably makes you mad too given she believes I am town.

[nomnomnom]

There is only one case where you can believe I am scum, it's the case where you somehow believe that Blake and TDC are both town, and that I am copying my own scumgame from Catloaves again, which essentially consisted of tricking the remaining townies into a solve that was not correct. Nothing else makes sense.

So if you prove to yourself that TDC and Blake are TvT, alright. But it's not, so good luck.

[nomnomnom]

LUV, I honestly have only one hangup in this whole thing. I'm fairly sure you are town, but there's one thing that makes me scared of lynching Blake here.

[nomnomnom]

If I didn't have that fear, I would probably have committed to Blake already, but I can't ignore it.

[nomnomnom]

Will lynching me put the game into perspective?

That's my fear. Cheeky will never reconsider TDC's case if you flip town. Otherwise we would already be in night 2.

[nomnomnom]

Thank you.

[nomnomnom]

We'll discuss other reads tomorrow, but we need to get this over with.

Hammer this asap.

[nomnomnom]

Remember: Lynch Blake if TDC flips town.

[nomnomnom]

Omg fine. VOTE: TDC I'm fully over this game.
Good luck.

Why do you let yourself get bullied like this? Wtf.

You'd get it if you were constantly bitched at by obnoxious people.

UNVOTE:

MJL get me out of here please.

I can't do that, Cheeky. I can't sheep you to TDC. You have to make logical picks.

[nomnomnom]

Don't mind me I'm just moodily pregnant lol.

?????????????????????

[nomnomnom]

Im not the father

I have a feeling Saudade will flip compulsive visitor

[nomnomnom]

Don't mind me I'm just moodily pregnant lol. I'll take a break for a bit.

Oh yeah. I totally get it. *hugs*

I need to get some work done right now, so I can't go back and read all the pages in this thread right now. If someone is bullying you, they're probably scum. If they're just fucking around with you to sort you, that's one thing, but aggression comes from people who are scared and are lashing out.

just my two cents.

Or you know it's probably the result of dealing with this game where we could all walk towards an easy solve and take the loss if we all suck and instead spending the time just fucking losing it because an IC wants to egopush. So you know.....

[nomnomnom]

TDC/MJL on the table

[nomnomnom]

Who is her buddy?

We already asked the question and he's not gonna answer. Arguing with saud today is pointless

[nomnomnom]

If Nom or MJL are scum this game, they deserve a Don Corleone.

Dude I wish. I fucking wish.

[nomnomnom]

@Nomnomnom, what are your pronouns? I asked you earlier but I don't think you answered. Some people call you he and others she.

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[nomnomnom]

Meta is more about personality, not really experience. What kind of girl do both of you think Nom is?

Idk yet tbh. Im just judging how she comes in wanting a quicklynch on either you, Saudade or blake. As soon as I unvote blake she joins blake on a lynch TDC crusade but wants to vote TDC first...then you arrive and she thinks you're town and would have voted blake but she's afraid that I'll live through the night and then not lynch TDC if blake is town....

I mean what alignment even is that?

That wasn't the question even if it's content.

I wanted to have a free psychoanalysis too

[nomnomnom]

@Nomnomnom, what are your pronouns? I asked you earlier but I don't think you answered. Some people call you he and others she.

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Okay, thank you. Sorry I missed that post, because I did refer to you as a "they."

It's fine, I don't get mad over it anyway so shrug