Micro 902 Cultist Recruiter Mafia

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VOTE: Korina
Holy moly these rules sound awesome as fuck

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This setup deserves a hard setupspec like on D0

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4. Two players are unrecruitable (A random VT and the only initial vanilla cultist). They will not flip as such, nor are they notified of that status in their role PM. A failed recruit on them is indistinguishable from a double recruitment or a successful recruitment by town.

so there's officially one unrecruitable cult VT and one cultifier. it's a 7-2, and we only need to find who the cultifier is.
In first glance I think it's best if in every day along with our lynch we should pick who our townifier townifies. If we pick correctly, we win, if not, then for at least one day we know the target is town. If the target is the townifier themselves, they just pick whoever. or something.

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And also, if town recruits town, they’re unrecruitable for the night. If cult attempts to recruit them, nothing happens.

cool, makes sense. seems like town recruiter has 2 choices - hit scummy players cause they may be original cultist/cult leader, or hit towny players to protect them.
that's the problem with choosing town recruitment publicly, right? scum can counter for it

That removes scums power
It effectively gives us lynched with no kills. This is not our problem

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OMG this was the longest and most annoying 2-page readup I've ever had

And nothing to be gained at all



Guys we should be looking for the cult master, as their demise ends the game. Note that we WILL have people interfering up to even scumclaiming as misdirection.

May we nolynch in this setup?

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VOTE: Korina
By my count this is L-1, take notes

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VOTE: the golden paradox

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VOTE: the golden paradox

His obliviousness is dangerous, and I understand if you want to purge that, but do you actually find him scummy?

Sadly, no. But I did expect more. which sucks. Or at least less bad.

T_T

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Leaning town on drew here. I wish we could vote town.

Oh boy this gives me a good good idea about modding a game. hmmmmmmmmmmm

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GoldenParadox really toned down recently. Where are you buddy?

CHOO CHOOO
All aboard the wagonnnnnnn

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Oomph.
I like A50
Can we focus on TGP?
I sorta kinda think he is likely TOWN right now as opposed to my first reaction. I mean if scum had known about that shit I tried to pull, they could have adjusted their reaction to possibly gain something from the reaction test. Instead, he just plainly pointed out my mistake like a robot fixing an equation. No emotion, no repercussions, no future motives.

I like TGP. Whaddya say bawyz

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Honestly guys you could not have been any more inconsistent, and A50 you're creating chaos which is bad. hold up, write things in one post instead of a zillion, and then can you please repeat what you're saying?

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You know the game get’s harder the more you wait right? Before you know it your TR’s are recruited. We should try finding scum now. Not lurk and then lolhammer which get’s us most likely a useless lynch with no info.

I definitely don't lolhammer. I hammer with purpose, to get the day over. Not just for fun. If I get a strong indication that someone isn't town, I won't ignore it obviously, but I'm not gonna spend the time picking through what everyone is saying on D1. I skim and if I see something, I say something, like the TSA tells me to. The way I play isn't bad like you are inferring, it's just different than what

you

want me to do. I haven't lost a game on MS yet so I'd say it works for me.

Your logic is just bad. We need people to talk on D1 because that allows us to look back on whether people’s reads change if they are recruited. And we need it for analyzing scum team connections. You avoiding that responsibility on purpose is genuinely awful and looks scummy as heck.

Believe me, it's 100% NAI. This is my D1 in any game.
"We need people to talk"
Oh, I can talk, but it won't be about the game unless you ask me a specific question.
If this game is really

that

much different than a regular game of Mafia (I've never done an exclusively cultVtown game), and requires a specific change from me, I'm open to it in that case.
I'm gonna need other people to confirm this though because you're definitely tilted.

You need to reconsider all your townreads after every night in this format, so sucmhunting is even more important, especially on day 1.
Townhunting isn't as useful.

not quite, because you only need to find out who the original cultifoer is

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Korina’s reads list is looking mighty fine.

Shos/TGP/DEB have fun fighting it out cus one of y’all are getting my vote. <3

Oi

Let's vote him guyz

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Admittedly I still feel like I am in RVS. Can't get a solid read here on anyone. Leaning town on Korina

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guys I'm sorry for not posting much lately my head was at work. hopefully tomorrow night I will make a full reread.

Also I seriously don't like the L-1 vote right here.

Vote Count 1.3

With 9 alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch!

Dr Easy Bake (3): NorwegianBoyEE, Doctor Drew, Hectic,
TheGoldenParadox (2): shos, almost50,
Korina (1): Dongempire,
NorwegianBoyEE (1): Dr Easy Bake,
Hectic (1): TheGoldenParadox
Shos (0): Korina,
Dongempire (0):
Doctor Drew (0):
almost50 (0):

Not Voting (0):

Deadline: Day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-11-24 16:00:00)

@MOD: is this VC correct? Korina is voting me and still it says shos(0).

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I'M STILL NOT CULT FML
THAT DEB LYNCH ALSO PAINS ME
IM STILL IN PAIN OVER IT
BUT NOT AS BADLY AS NOT GETTING FUCKING CULTED

Why did the DEB lynch pain you?

I'll say I have to give credit to that lynch yesterday. Also bought me time to make my reread lol

So for the record and out of curiosity, since I'm kinda not in yet, why am I being a concensus lynch? 0.o

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Shos wagon sucks hard btw

this.
I have seen like perhaps 4 people talking between themselves about why I am scum and scum and scum and I have to be the cult leader etc etc, and basically, I haven't posted in like 10 pages at the time. What on earth is going on, lol. It appears I have reached L-1 without even posting; nobody considered if me-DEB are a fitting duo; nobody even explained why I am scum (correct me if I'm wrong) apart from the fact that I haven't been active (lol). Sooooo yeah what

I'm ggonna keep reading

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I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Holy shit guys this sounds actually plausible lol

is it wrong?

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OK lol guys I' sorry as fuck
I posted my reread in a wrong thread >< Thankfully the mod corrected me

here it is
should have been posted before I had posted 461:

Alright so
A reread has been promised
A reread you shall get

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Gamestart
It's an odd setup etc etc

5. At the end of every night phase, the players who have access to the cult PT will be placed in the OP of the cult PT in a random list. If a player leaves the cult, they will lose access to the cult PT.

Does this not mean that we only need a SINGLE success in town-recruiting-a-cult to win?
Also since we lynched correctly yesterday, that means all remaining cultits are recruitable, good for us
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Anyone else getting odd vibes from hectic's posts 47 and 48 now that we know Dr Bake was cult?
Though his 73 is ok. Oh and here's my L-1 test, destroyed by TGP. Hectic's posts are really odd imo.

I'll go ahead and say that I liked post 100 by korina.

I like drew. I've no idea what to make of A50's random posting spree, none of which is game relevant.

So everyone should sheep you even though you don’t give any explanation of why Shos/me are the cultists?

I don't remember why YOU were a scum read precisely, but iirc it was something about your read on someone based on someone else calling you out.. or maybe I am mixing my games because I was half asleep last night and have posted in several places. I'll reread sometime later today to remember why I had you as the Original VT Cultist.

As for Shos; I believe his proposed plan benefits Scum (Cult) more. If we announce who we will be protecting beforehand the Cult Recruiter knows not to target this precise person, and we don't benefit from it at all because this target isn't in danger of being culted anyway. It's like a Doctor announcing whom they're going to protect beforehand so that the Mafia can shoot elsewhere.

This is not only a doctor, because if town recruiter targets X then in the next day we now X is town (or that scum invested their recruitment to keep them as scum). Since we only need to succeed once, by recruiting the cultifier, that removes possible suspects.

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In b4 anyone else sees it: Norwee is the cultifier
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I don't understand why the Dr. Bake wagon has formed. It looks like he didn't have any scumreads and therefore was voted. However I repeatedly see norwee with smug comments while voting Dr Bake and I really feel like he knows he's bussing. especially since post 198 was what cemented his read there according to him, and that is utterly void of useful content.

fully caught up to page 10
will continue in a few mins

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Also this
omg how did this even happen

Korina was definitely town D1

For the record I wrote that ^^^ before seeing post 244 and honest to god I don't know how scum can write stuff like 244 unprovoked

The posts Hectic has in that page are bad as fuck; it's like he's looking for bullshit fillers?
Sadly there couldn't have been so many scum D1 lol

OK so did A50 just lolhammer DEB in surprise? Considering the flip, what do you think of this? A50 literally didn't post the entire DEB votes period. Sort of like me. So TGP, seeing post 274, did the lynch completely not affect anything at all in your thoughts?


ok norwee PLEASE explain this post to me.

VOTE: shos
as i said in my post voting DEB, i'm getting a strong vibe that shos is the cult leader and that DEB acted scummy in order to take attention off of himself and put it onto shos.

It does seem the most likely that Shos might be the cult leader. But what if it’s Dong or you though.
Maybe you bussed him as cult leader for the towncred? Or maybe it’s Dongempire?

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UGH
give me a second to get my shit in order

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Alright so
A reread has been promised
A reread you shall get

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Gamestart
It's an odd setup etc etc

5. At the end of every night phase, the players who have access to the cult PT will be placed in the OP of the cult PT in a random list. If a player leaves the cult, they will lose access to the cult PT.

Does this not mean that we only need a SINGLE success in town-recruiting-a-cult to win?
Also since we lynched correctly yesterday, that means all remaining cultits are recruitable, good for us
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Anyone else getting odd vibes from hectic's posts 47 and 48 now that we know Dr Bake was cult?
Though his 73 is ok. Oh and here's my L-1 test, destroyed by TGP. Hectic's posts are really odd imo.

I'll go ahead and say that I liked post 100 by korina.

I like drew. I've no idea what to make of A50's random posting spree, none of which is game relevant.

So everyone should sheep you even though you don’t give any explanation of why Shos/me are the cultists?

I don't remember why YOU were a scum read precisely, but iirc it was something about your read on someone based on someone else calling you out.. or maybe I am mixing my games because I was half asleep last night and have posted in several places. I'll reread sometime later today to remember why I had you as the Original VT Cultist.

As for Shos; I believe his proposed plan benefits Scum (Cult) more. If we announce who we will be protecting beforehand the Cult Recruiter knows not to target this precise person, and we don't benefit from it at all because this target isn't in danger of being culted anyway. It's like a Doctor announcing whom they're going to protect beforehand so that the Mafia can shoot elsewhere.

This is not only a doctor, because if town recruiter targets X then in the next day we now X is town (or that scum invested their recruitment to keep them as scum). Since we only need to succeed once, by recruiting the cultifier, that removes possible suspects.

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In b4 anyone else sees it: Norwee is the cultifier
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I don't understand why the Dr. Bake wagon has formed. It looks like he didn't have any scumreads and therefore was voted. However I repeatedly see norwee with smug comments while voting Dr Bake and I really feel like he knows he's bussing. especially since post 198 was what cemented his read there according to him, and that is utterly void of useful content.

fully caught up to page 10
will continue in a few mins



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Korina was definitely town D1

For the record I wrote that ^^^ before seeing post 244 and honest to god I don't know how scum can write stuff like 244 unprovoked

The posts Hectic has in that page are bad as fuck; it's like he's looking for bullshit fillers?
Sadly there couldn't have been so many scum D1 lol

OK so did A50 just lolhammer DEB in surprise? Considering the flip, what do you think of this? A50 literally didn't post the entire DEB votes period. Sort of like me. So TGP, seeing post 274, did the lynch completely not affect anything at all in your thoughts?


ok norwee PLEASE explain this post to me.

VOTE: shos
as i said in my post voting DEB, i'm getting a strong vibe that shos is the cult leader and that DEB acted scummy in order to take attention off of himself and put it onto shos.

It does seem the most likely that Shos might be the cult leader. But what if it’s Dong or you though.
Maybe you bussed him as cult leader for the towncred? Or maybe it’s Dongempire?

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Shos wagon sucks hard btw

this.
I have seen like perhaps 4 people talking between themselves about why I am scum and scum and scum and I have to be the cult leader etc etc, and basically, I haven't posted in like 10 pages at the time. What on earth is going on, lol. It appears I have reached L-1 without even posting; nobody considered if me-DEB are a fitting duo; nobody even explained why I am scum (correct me if I'm wrong) apart from the fact that I haven't been active (lol). Sooooo yeah what

I'm ggonna keep reading
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I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Holy shit guys this sounds actually plausible lol

is it wrong?





riiiiight I hope I got this right

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This has never ever happened to me ><

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I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Wait, doesn't this break the game completely?? Lul, I'm glad you noticed this, Almo. Just okay kill else I guess?
I'm sorry, Norwee, we're in a great position but I'm taking the insta-win every day of the week instead of trying to win this normally.

I'm claiming cult leader. Lynch anyone else and recruit me tonight and we all (well almost all of us) win. Should've reviewed the setup a little better, mods.

o dear

I'd rather actually get cult for once and have fun playing that, rather than y'know, NOT GETTING CULT.

That's what I'm saying, What fun would you have had if you got culted and then lost immediately the very next day? I would also like to roll cult at some point (or SK or Jester or .. etc) provided I actually do get the time to

play

it.

:\

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Oh no. I see it likely that Norweeg is cult leader and Hectic is trying to save them.

I was going to vote norwee anyway and I kinda think this is it.
We can just lynch norwee first and if he flips scum have the townifier target hectic, right?

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I like 383 and now lean scum on drew
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I'm at page 17 and still willing to lynch norwee and direct the townifier towards hectic.

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OK.. caught up. It's probably bad to out an explicit readlist (because the Cult Recruiter may use it to decide their action if they're not lynched today), but Korina needs to eat rope anyway. The Cult Recruiter is between Korina and TGP (depending on whether TGP is true claiming or fake claiming)

VOTE: Korina

I'm willing to bet on Korina.
VOTE: Korina

I don't need anything more
VOTE: NorweighanboyEE

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I'm reading page18 and it seems like Hectic is just any normal one. Then I ISOed hectic and it doesn't look like he said anything retracting his "claim". What

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And why would i as a cult leader lynch a cultist make myself look very town in comparison? That's basically begging for the town recruiter to target me. (And even though he apparently didn't, that doesn't change the fact that it's very likely) and if the towncruiter did target me and i was cult leader the game would have already been over.

That is so grammatically bad I don't understand that question

As a cult leader you'd bus your buddy to get townread by the townies. I don't see the problem.

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Shos, you are either cult or dumb.

oh oh I know this one

dumb! yes!

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What do you mean by "normal one"?
I'm gonna take it as a compliment unless you elaborate.

a player who hasn't scumclaimed etc

376 is still half-there
but if this one was a reaction test you sure are better than me in doing that shit lawl

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@sh0s: Why do you disagree with 377 and 451?

You guys are basically giving korina the possibly well deserved but highly unlikely credit for remembering the rules by heart in every bit and piece, including having thought of possible every gamebreak and compared to the rules. I doubt that. Rule 6, while it does "solve" this thing, is not easy to connect in this context and this is no reason to scumread Korina. In addition, I got a firm townread on that slot over the span of this reread (and reading my own posts it apperas I had such a townread even before that). I'm not lynching there. Especially not when Norwee is here to die

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And why would i as a cult leader lynch a cultist make myself look very town in comparison? That's basically begging for the town recruiter to target me. (And even though he apparently didn't, that doesn't change the fact that it's very likely) and if the towncruiter did target me and i was cult leader the game would have already been over.

That is so grammatically bad I don't understand that question

As a cult leader you'd bus your buddy to get townread by the townies. I don't see the problem.

I'm saying that the town recruiter would most likely target me for N1 action because i lynched a cultist and that makes me a likely target for the cultist recruiter.
And if a town recruiter targets the cult recruiter he instantly dies. So your theoretical narrative of cult recruiter!Norwegianboy doesn't work.

Dude you didn't lynch him alone

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I've got a proposition: The Cult Recruiter announces themselves. We -in turn- do not lynch, and -instead- the Town Recruiter targets them. This way the Cult Recruiter joins the Town and WINS.

Wait, doesn't this break the game completely?? Lul, I'm glad you noticed this, Almo.

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I guess?
I'm sorry, Norwee, we're in a great position but I'm taking the insta-win every day of the week instead of trying to win this normally.

I'm claiming cult leader. Lynch anyone else and recruit me tonight and we all (well almost all of us) win. Should've reviewed the setup a little better, mods.

Would like to see everyone's reactions to this but don't actually want to to get lynched. This has been very fruitful though.

lol this is extremely more obvious than the original 376 xD

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Spoiler: spoilered large quote

Starting Cultist is unrecruitable.
One of the VTs in unrecruitable.

Both recruiters are recruitable.

And also, if town recruits town, they’re unrecruitable for the night. If cult attempts to recruit them, nothing happens.

Town wants to avoid hitting original cultist. Doing so wastes a night. They can’t be converted.
If we publicly announce who the recruiter should target, scum can just avoid them. It’s like trying to publicly tell a doctor who to heal. Who does mafia shoot? Literally anyone else.

Pedit: Because if I don’t die here, odds are I live till endgame. Odds are as well is that town recruiter targets me to prevent me from getting recruited, and/or cult avoids me because me. See it’s a metalapocalypse thing.

Ppedit:

THE ORIGINAL CULTIST IS UNRECRUITABLE. THEY CANNOT BECOME TOWN AT ALL. ONE OF THE VTS IS UNRECRUITABLE. THEY CANNOT BECOME CULT AT ALL.

And also, if both recruiters target the same player, nothing happens. It’s a doctor heal on a mafia kill effectively. Nothing happens. They both cancel out the other’s action.

@mod Can the cult recruiter self-target, or target people in the cult?

@mod, also, can the town recruiter self-target?

@mod Can the cult recruiter self-target, or target people in the cult?

@Sh0s: Korina knew all this or cared enough to ask the mod about specific situations, and you're telling me he didn't know the existence of a rule which stops the setup from being broken on day 1? He clearly read through all the rules to know everything above, so yeah, he was aware of 6.

Really, we need Korina to get in here to explain himself to progress this thing.

These are not the same. These are stuff that are inherent to the core of the setup, one can literally not play the setup without knowing these. I knew these too, perhaps except the action of can the townrecruiter selfrecruit, but this does not matter. These are big words, and not supremely tiny details like the fact about cult leader claiming.

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Funnily enough Hectic and A50 are the only ones making any sort of sense right now.

hey let's play a game
you take a guess what percentage of your posts is not bullshit useless crap, and then I'll ISO you and show you how you're wrong!

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@Hectic, I'm aware if the cult leader gets recruited, the game ends. HOWEVER, THE GAME ALSO ENDS IF THE CULT LEADER IS KILLED.
We decide to no-lynch and recruit you tonight. If we're wrong, cult just got a free night. If we're right, town just won AFTER THE NIGHT HAS ENDED.

If we lynch you, recruit Norweeg, we're guaranteed to at least get some

See 492
I'd much rather the opposite

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VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE


I think this is L-1

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@sh0s: I don't see how you can be sure about what happens when the towncruiter and cultcruiter target the same person without reading the rules. And it's not just that, it's the authority with which Korina was telling everyone about that stuff. When you add on the fact he loves cults and cult games, you'd think he'd have read the rules closely enough to instantly know my cult leader claim had screwed myself over.

And what do you think of his pop in today? You really don't find him scummy storming in here and acting oblivious to why he's being scumread, and heavily OMGUSing me?

The rules have a specific clause about that. I remember it without reading the rules twice. I don't expect anyone else not to, as this is a must-have have mechanic as in every game by any mod. The non-usual is that things may end the game without all scum dead, and this was covered only with deep thinking.

I don't know about his today-behavior. It strikes me as the usual mouthblab which I have deemed his meta is. Nothing irregular and nothing that actually makes me want to vote him. Au contraire, I've seen plenty of THAT throughout my read in norweis play.

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Say town recruiter and cult recruiter both target each other. They cancel each other out right? This means our town recruiter is 100% useless and is either getting culted tommorow or he’s lucky and blocks it. But he can never recruit the cult leader. So our only way to win is by lynching now.

No, if they target each other, the cult leader gets towncruited, and the towncruiter gets cultcruited. However, the town including the towncruiter wins due to rule 6, which states the game ends in a town victory before actions resolve.

If they both target the SAME person, that person's alignment doesn't change. So Paradox could target himself to guarantee he doesn't become cult.

This, for example, is a good post for me to comment on. You see, after the whole gamebreak section of the day, after a day and a half in play, and after the gazillion useless posts by norweiee, wouldn't you expect him to know THIS, which truly is the actual basics of this game?
Like I think in my first post ever here I posted that all we need is to Target the cultifier
it's been repeated again and again in the gamebreak discussion

Norweis is just pretending to actually do something in this game

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Im kidding. Its drew but its more fun this way

VOTE: Korina

This is L-1

Ftr

[shos]

See, more useless!

I can make it a habit to call you useless whenever you are but I think it'll spam the game

[shos]

Surely you realize, after having been explained to a thousand times, that the cults ONLY OBJECTIVE is to keep their leader safe?

Bussing D1 is expected
Bussing D2 is expected

You had NOTHING serious on DEB the way I read the game and I don't give you credit for that, au contraire.

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Say town recruiter and cult recruiter both target each other. They cancel each other out right? This means our town recruiter is 100% useless and is either getting culted tommorow or he’s lucky and blocks it. But he can never recruit the cult leader. So our only way to win is by lynching now.

No, if they target each other, the cult leader gets towncruited, and the towncruiter gets cultcruited. However, the town including the towncruiter wins due to rule 6, which states the game ends in a town victory before actions resolve.

If they both target the SAME person, that person's alignment doesn't change. So Paradox could target himself to guarantee he doesn't become cult.

This, for example, is a good post for me to comment on. You see, after the whole gamebreak section of the day, after a day and a half in play, and after the gazillion useless posts by norweiee, wouldn't you expect him to know THIS, which truly is the actual basics of this game?
Like I think in my first post ever here I posted that all we need is to Target the cultifier
it's been repeated again and again in the gamebreak discussion

Norweis is just pretending to actually do something in this game

You're right, I was suprised to see him be confused about this but I don't see what scum!him has to gain by feigning ignorance, other than I guess the leader is more likely to know about this by now.
Scum!Korina feigned ignorance so he could react angrily to the reaction test and hopefully convince some people.

I think it's Korina + Drew or Korina + Norwee.
If it's the first, Drew is the leader though. Second could be either way.

He's just faking involvement in the game. Korina is about to be mislynched/regularCultistLynched and he doesn't care much at all.

I hiiiiighly doubt scumkorina used that in order to be able to get angry for it, lol. This is waaay too far fetched for me. Scum coasting is soooo muchhhhh Occam's razor.

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By that I mean scum norweiee coasting.

I'd tell you to ISO him, really. It's that bad. But go from the end to the start, lol.

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If not you, I'd lynch A50. Regarding your partner, that's a trick question of course because alignment change is super difficult to find. But it doesn't matter, I'm not looking for the goons, looking for the head.

My townreads are korina and hectic right now.

[shos]

Your OMGUS is entertaining
That 83 vote was a reaction test in the first day of the game, how can you compare. Also that was not even L-1 lol

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If not you, I'd lynch A50. Regarding your partner, that's a trick question of course because alignment change is super difficult to find. But it doesn't matter, I'm not looking for the goons, looking for the head.

My townreads are korina and hectic right now.

What happened to your scumread of me, and associating me with Norwee?

Day j.o.k.e thing

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590 is actually a good post, albeit wrong. I'll respond when I'm on a computer.

Meanwhile there's no reason for me to vote korina unless anyone gives me a proper reason to do so.

[shos]

Sorry for the delay, resolving might phase now.

Might phase

So anyway
Told you korina was town

Who the fuck led that lynch



VOTE: norweii

[shos]

Sry lylo
UNVOTE:

Why are you voting hectic dammit

[shos]

Lul, just dawned on me that we lose unless exactly the cult leader is lynched.
Not looking great so far.

That is true.

Also we are at quickhammer risk so nobody vote anything

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It really fits in my opinion that norweii is the cult leader. I hardly think it is hectic; he has been really the voice of logic lately. Except for that korina superbad lynch, he's done good.

[shos]

Re TGP:
Surely, if he replaces out, the mod will let the replacement know what actions he had taken.

[shos]

Other than regular scumhunting, if anyone has the time, try to figure out who got recruited N1. Then we'll try to work out who the leader is.

Bye we lose even if TGP manages to recruit a cult. So we have two chances: lynch and then towncruit.


Pedit:
You're playing well but I'll get you lynched somehow

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The fact that TGP is AWOL makes this so much more difficult than it needs to be.

Oh please not again
Cut the bullshit - even if TGP does come and claim shit, it is WIFOM because which cultifier in his right mind would NOT recruit him?

It's safe to assume that, and, I may be biased but it looks clear to me that norweii is trying to put more weight on TGP so that when he does claim people automatically believe him

[shos]

*reads page*

Sigh
Can we please lynch norweis now

A50, could you please explain to me why you have been willing to vote me since like D1 without hesitation?

[shos]

I have given those yesterday iirc. You ignoring my claim is not unexpected

[shos]

While you’re loltunneling i’m actually trying to solve this game by seeing who makes the most sense as cult leader. You don’t even have any claim for who my teammates would be. Honestly i’d be pretty fucking surprised if you’re town.

And you get to the result that it is ME, lol. You're not truly putting yourself to it. As I've said before - you're only trying to look like you are, but your posts are just generally bad.

A50, could you please explain to me why you have been willing to vote me since like D1 without hesitation?

OH! Forgive me for not explaining it all the while. My bad. WAIT! Maybe I did??

As for Shos; I believe his proposed plan benefits Scum (Cult) more. If we announce who we will be protecting beforehand the Cult Recruiter knows not to target this precise person, and we don't benefit from it at all because this target isn't in danger of being culted anyway. It's like a Doctor announcing whom they're going to protect beforehand so that the Mafia can shoot elsewhere.

Are you seriously thinking to vote me in Lylo for a setupspec 2 days and 22 pages ago? And I've already responded to that - a doc doesn't make his target conftown, so that was a faulty line of thinking even then...

I'm pretty sure both by elimination and gameplay that our pool should be norwei and a50.
Hectic is moooost likely town. He has been making sense since ever. I'm not lynching Drew, since I have no reason to scumread and do have reason to think he is town (TGP). We shouldn't lunch TGP because he's probably regular cult right now and a normal cult lynch will still earn us a loss since nothing prevents the cultifier from recruiting and it'll turn from 4v3 to 3v3 which is cult win. Dong.....well I guess I have to include him in the pool too yet.

I'll think this through from comp at home
So pool right now is

{Norwei, A50, Dong}

[shos]

Admittedly I haven't read your post fully, but I'm getting crazy sure that you're now just trying to deflect me away from you since I draw too much attention to you. You were really scumreading me, and suddenly 5%, lol. You disregard my claim that your vote was a bussing attempt by the cult leader over Deb and ignore it so that my argument against you is out of the headlines.

Just saying
I'll read the rest soon

[shos]

Logic
You're using that word
I don't think it means what you think it means

I am pretty fucking vocal. Sadly for you, even when I'm at work with the phone. That's why you try to appease me and attack someone else, more silent. Admittedly I don't have a strong Drew town case, but your 180 on me only strengthens my thoughts. I loved how you removed A50 from the pool with habdwaving. I haven't found anything that points to cult leader at all about ANYONE in your analysis. I wonder: did you not analyze DEB's posts? Surely you understand, as a supposed townie, that his posts are the best source to look at considering you know he flipped cult?

[shos]

Don't even think I need to ask you to unvote. Cult can't quickhammer if you're with them :*)

[shos]

I wonder: did you not analyze DEB's posts? Surely you understand, as a supposed townie, that his posts are the best source to look at considering you know he flipped cult?

He was a regular cultist.
We're looking for the cult leader.
What part of that don't you understand?
Do you think the cult leader is a clone of DEB and is going to emulate the exact behavior that got him fucking lynched?

interactions. Not copycat

You've never said who my teammates are if i'm the cult leader. Shos.

Strawman attack incoming! Hide!
One is TGP as I've stated, as which sane cultifier wouldnt
Guessing who you recruited additionally, who knows, who cares. Could be anyone. I doubt it's hectic, but all the rest are valid options

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It means you form a side-argument, unrelated, and then try to dispute the main one by attacking the unrelated one. In this case, you will attack the fact that I cannot name your partners - which by all means is no easy task - and use it to try and discredit my YOU ARE CULT LEADER claim.

Exactly what you did right here

Also if I recall correctly you too literally said that we must focus only on the leader. When I say it is a bad thing right? Please

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I DID give one name and you ARE attacking the strawman. I also said I scumread a50 which you choose to ignore again.

Re: Drew, I didn't see much of an accusation at all. You're basing your entire case on Dong being cult, and since you're offering to Lynch Drew based on that, it is equal to you having completely solved the game, which I find hard to believe. Your claim is that cultdrew chose to recruit Dong over TGP, who literally claimed townifier. That makes no sense whatsoever to me.

[shos]

I mean, stop everything and answer me - why would cult master Drew not recruit the townifier?

[shos]

@715: townies often change reads you know. Look at my D1 too - I basically didn't exist. Promised a catch-up, but it didn't happen because of a Lynch, before I even knew about the wagon. I ASKED YOU A QUESTION. You say 'might very well have', well duh, but I ask WHY. In any scenario - at all - why would you as cult leader not recruit the townifier?? He can take your cultists away, can end the game immediately if he targets you, and can prevent you from cultifying. He is, also, conftown, because nobody CCed. What else do you need?

And of course now you resort to attack the person, not the argument. You're like a scumhunting book

[shos]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... the_Person
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Straw_Man

There ya go have at it

[shos]

You did? Link me, must have missed that
Sooo... You assume drewCultLeader let TGPtownifier live because he was AFK(let's agree to disagree here, I think it is utterly stupid as fuck), and then recruited DONG instead? Of all people? What for?

Wouldn't it be much better to Target me, you, hectic or a50? Literally anyone sounds a better recruit to me than Dong, if you assume that TGP wasn't it.

Leaving TGP alive as town allows them to townify at least one more time. That would be extremely stupid for a cult leader.

[shos]

Ok, let's assume he targeted TGP today. That still doesn't really change the fact that Drew is the most suspicious since he's acting all withdrawn and not saying much. Which is exactly what i'd expect from the cult leader.

That completely derails like 90% of your post, bro. That also means you have to rethink who the partners are, order of recruitment etc etc. "acting all withdrawn" will not make me vote in lylo a person who likely have been townified.

re:724 - look at it in my eyes - you're just buddying me. "trying to solve the game" doesn't turn a scumread into a townread.

a doc doesn't make his target conftown, so that was a faulty line of thinking even then...

Tomato, tomato. That's not the point though. The point is letting your enemy know your move beforehand is such a bad idea no townie would even consider, and certainly not one with as much experience as you have. Not buying it.

I'm pretty sure both by elimination and gameplay that our pool should be norwei and a50.

And this is one more reason why you are scum, because neither me nor the guy from Kongeriket Norge/Noreg are cult

Are you kidding me? My enemy does not have anything to do about that. If we didn't know who the townifier was, then agreeing that they should target, say, hectic, on N1 would let us know if hectic was the cult leader or not, because the game ends if he is. It is basically a public cop, not a doc.

And how can you be sure norwei isn't cult leader, or wasn't culted? Know anything I don't? Or am I just scummy for scumreading your townread, a-la-"anyone who disagrees with me is scum leader"

[shos]

OMG it's my 8th scumday!

[shos]

page 30 is like probably the best page in the game.

Is it possible that the leader is Hectic?


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@A50: we can simply disagree about the plan.
Also there are some other possibilities which suck, techinically, like
- cult managed to recruit the townifier, and then TGP, the cult leader, claimed townifier

But I don't think we should even think about these. It would be brilliant, but that's a 1/7 chance to lose that I'm willing to take.

[shos]

Shos can you be quiet. We're trying to actually find the cult leader here.

Congratulations tho.

[shos]

I'm starting an ISO of hectic.

Greetings, friends.
Some real interesting stuff could go on this game like scum/town playing against their wincon if they predict to be converted.
*cough* *hint* *cough* *nudge*

This is his first post.
I wonder - is it possible that this is actually an attempt to get townies to think about that and play for cult?

this is going to be long ._. and I have no time so I'll get 10 minutes done and go

[shos]

4. Two players are unrecruitable (A random VT and the only initial vanilla cultist). They will not flip as such, nor are they notified of that status in their role PM. A failed recruit on them is indistinguishable from a double recruitment or a successful recruitment by town.

so there's officially one unrecruitable cult VT and one cultifier. it's a 7-2, and we only need to find who the cultifier is.
In first glance I think it's best if in every day along with our lynch we should pick who our townifier townifies. If we pick correctly, we win, if not, then for at least one day we know the target is town. If the target is the townifier themselves, they just pick whoever. or something.

This is a good idea and I can't see much wrong with it early on.

Also in your phays @a50 lol

[shos]

Did the widdle biddle cultist player not want any conf!town to mess up his plans for the gamestate?
Boo hoo!
Deal with it.

I’ll make calculated posts all day long baby.

PLEASE DO NOT OPEN THE FOLLOWING SPOILER IF YOU ARE NOT NORWEGIANBOYEE:

Spoiler:

*wink* I'll recruit you tonight, just help me mislynch Dr Easy Bake.

Oh gawd this is going to be a bitch

norwei did this happen

[shos]

Prior to page 10, there's an actual conversation, a long one, between DEB and Hectic, in calm and polite way, in which slowly hectic scumreads DEB, and DEB seems just "meh" with it. This actually could be grand scum theater like I always wanted to do but never have.

Interesting

[shos]

I'm not 100% on Hectic. But probability says he has the highest chance of being scum recruiter. So it's really the best decision to take as town. If you reconsider then that's great Shos. I'll forgive everything.

I'd rather not make that decision after midnight. I still got my eye on you >_>

I'll try to continue reading hectic tomorrow, but overall, I think we might hit the nail on its head. Tomorrow I finish work early so we'll see.

[shos]

You are displaying survivalism

This.

Feels like you're panicking.


Help me out. If you're not the leader, and your wagon is supported by cult votes, who is the cult that is pushing your lynch? Me/a50/norwei? Why?

[shos]

Yeah, prods are paused till the 29th so looks like we'll be waiting a few days for a replacement if he doesn't come back.

And please answer me if you think there's any chance that TGP is actually still town

[shos]

Starting to think it’s just Drew.
@Dongempire Do you really think TGP targeted Drew this night?

No other cultists? Father two nights.?

[shos]

Starting to think it’s just Drew.
@Dongempire Do you really think TGP targeted Drew this night?

No other cultists? After two nights.?



Ebwop

[shos]

Care to share? :Lol:

[shos]

Pagetop
Sharing is caring

[shos]

Guys this isn't a buddy buddy come have fun with me, this is lylo

[shos]

Hi all. I fell asleep yesterday and slept like 13 hours. so today is research day hopefully. I *did* dream that I was endgamed and drew was the leader lol.

[shos]

Could you all please unvote until I get here seriously

[shos]

Wasn't hctic in like L-2 earlier
I'll get here soon anyway

[shos]

Wasn't hctic in like L-2 earlier
I'll get here soon anyway

UGH I fell asleep again
sorry lads

[shos]

A50 has only been pushing ME as far as I remember the entire game. That might be a good way to coast as scum, but he's been doing that since D1, so it is possible he is CL, but I doubt he is cult if not leader, because he hasn't been protecting anyone. Has anyone been defending Drew in D2?

[shos]

Did you even read those posts Hectic linked Shos? That’s clearly A50 expressing disapproval at people voting Drew and wanting them to vote for Korina instead.

Honestly I'm not sure, I was planning on making a good read but now I'm dead tired in the Shabbat family meet and on phone and don't remember. I'll revisit.

[shos]

Thing is A50 never needed defending
Nobody ever pushed him hard. Even I, when I pushed him, it was half assed compared to my push on you. Now I'm just sure you're a cultist, but dunno who your leader is. Surely not Drew lol. You and A50 have frequently voted together

[shos]

Almost is the cult target for day 2

@Hectic
I think A50 is being honest about not rolling scum with DEB. Instead he got culted on D2 when DEB was already dead. Drew is the leader.

2 people can't be wrong. I concede. I was recruited on N2.

VOTE: Drew

Sounds like a 1v1 to me!

[shos]

Orrr this could be a distraction from hectic?

[shos]

Jeez
The WIFOM is so fucking annoying

Pedit - I meant you vs drew

[shos]

WHY IS THERE NO OPPOSITION TO DREW
Someone has to be a normal cultist

[shos]

Drunk posting ftw!
A50 cannot be a regular cultist, otherwise he is playing against his win con
By not hammering I am sorta proven not leader, so Drew's drunk post sorta makes me feel even worse about this wagon

VOTE: A50

Sweet I think we got this
Finally

[shos]

That WIFOM attempt by a50, who is still on the wagon despite L-1, doesn't strike you? Do you think he is a townie?

[shos]

That WIFOM attempt by a50, who is still on the wagon despite L-1, doesn't strike you? Do you think he is a townie?

Um no. I don't think for a second that A50 is a townie. But i'm not sure he really is the cult leader. Seems more likely for him to be a regular cultist.

That would mean that A50 is a cultist who claimed in full, voted his cult leader and lead the wagon. There's a 1/3 chance for that IMO - because either he is the leader trying to wifom or he is diverting focus from Hectic - OR, he is wifoming HARD with Drew as the leader.
2/3 he is not the leader, and in all cases he is cult. So if this is not lylo (i.e. unrecruitable townie has been hit and/or TGP saved someone) we lynch a cultist and continue. Lynching Drew seems like a gamble to me, since he surely isn't a regular cultist - kinda all or nothing, with bad odds.

He's confirmed himself as cultist which the cult leader really doesn't want to do here, and there was no reason for him to do that as the leader as everyone was still leaning towards Drew.

Though this is a very good point.
If Drew was the cultist then there was no reason for cult leader A50 to act up, because we were most likely going to lynch Drew anyway.
So i'm 95% sure Drew is the cult leader in this relationship.

^What do you think about this Shos?

I don't think it's much correct. At the time, Hectic was a very viable option. Drew was always on the table, so if he wanted attention OFF of Drew he did not need to do that. That sort of WIFOM only drew attention away from Hectic (very successfully!). It didn't encourage people to not-vote Drew much. Hence I think it's a move that either protects Hectic or A50 himself.
I'm actually leaning more towards hectic by that - but I think it is safer to take on A50 today, and perhaps use TGP to try and townify Hectic if game isn't over.

If it was in the interest of Drew as a regular cultist to lynch himself over A50 he could have hammered himself by now. I think he's targeting you instead because he knows that lynching himself would instantly lose the game for cult. And if we target regular cultist!A50 instead he might have a chance.

That concludes that Drew isn't a regular cultist (or, if he is, that there are only 2 cultists alive including the leader). That means he's either town or cult leader - a gamble as I've written above.

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WE've already established he isn't a regular cultist. But could you please read my post.

[shos]

I'm a mathematician, lol. you gamble only when the odds are in your favor, or at least not that bad.
You are not conftown; TGP is most likely cultist, Almost *claimed* cultist and you're following his lead - don't you see the problem?

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First off, im literally conftown. No counterclaims to tgp.
Second, tgp is confirmed to be culted because he can one shot the cult if he wasnt, theh wont take that chance.
So lets ignorebeverything drew said up to this point because it isnt %100 percent hes cult leader? Why the fuck do you play games with vanillas in them then? Just play role madness if this is your attitude.

There's no reason to have this discussion, but for the record, until TGP actually comes and says he followed suit with what we think he did, we know nothing. Then too, we can't know if he's cult.

The A50 gambit puts us in a place where it is one of {A50, Drew, Hectic}. I am personally leaning Hectic but I think this is the wrong lynch today, as A50 is a safer lynch. Lynching Drew is 33% win, and I'm not taking that chance. It's just stupid.

So currently, I'm voting A50. If Hectic is town, this should be an easy choice for him (A50), and Drew should be voting A50 anyway, because as town it's a pure mislynch and as cult leader it's a counterwagon ahoy, so that vote doesn't quite give us any info.
A50 is not town, and thus if he's voting Drew, Drew cannot be CL. Norwei and Dong currently follow suit for some reason, putting it at 3-3 with TGP as the hammerer????

[shos]

Riddle me this one sec

It's {a50, TGP, norwei} vs {Drew, TGP, ???}

who is the ??? cult?

[shos]

Because then you know almo hasn't been doing that to get tension off of you.

and yes, that is exactly the team I think it is (see the post right above you). See A50's posts before he claimed cultist; he was going for Drew. This is not a gambit vote

[shos]

[shos]

If we mislynch, can you recruit me to the winning side?

[shos]

Brace for even MORE wifom!

[shos]

A50 is the best lynch by far for us today. Likely he is cult recruiter, and if not - it is most definitely a cult lynch, so game is not over. Norwei - what's wrong in the sentence here?

[shos]

I am. You're the one who's stopped thinking for some reason. I think you are likely town and don't understand your behavior

[shos]

Norwei, please stop ignoring me and answer

[shos]

A50 is the best lynch by far for us today. Likely he is cult recruiter, and if not - it is most definitely a cult lynch, so game is not over. Norwei - what's wrong in the sentence here?

Shos can you stop being annoying and lynch the cult recruiter already?

[shos]

Do you not see the question in that post
I'll hint ya
There's a question mark at the end of it

[shos]

Payjtawp #1000

[shos]

We've come to THAT part of the game then eh

Let's just nolynch instead of blabbing until the day ends

[shos]

You can try

[shos]

Choo chooooo
VOTE: a50

Get on the train amigo, perhaps if you bus now you'll be able to get off later!

[shos]

Hectic, how comes YOU follow a50?

[shos]

I TOLD YOU SO
Drew was obvtown


Infuriating is exactly the word

[shos]

I enjoyed it thoroughly tho! XD
Norwei you're an intimidating player indeed

[shos]

Let's just say it was tough to fight you

[shos]

Ughhhhhh

[shos]

Why isn't the mod ending the game

[shos]

UGH

this was soooo hard and frustrating
By the time I got culted, everyone was supremely suspicious of Drew, and norwei just won't shut up. We actually had a quickhammering chance but Drew just was't online much so I couldn't push it.

Drew, why didn't you recruit TGP?

[shos]

Hi all. I fell asleep yesterday and slept like 13 hours. so today is research day hopefully. I *did* dream that I was endgamed and drew was the leader lol.

Your dream came true.

Do you have any idea how scared I was that morning????

[shos]

Doctor Drew, cult recruiter, has been lynched.

The Town of NorwegianBoyEE, Korina, Flavor Leaf, Almost50, Dongempire, and Hectic has won!

FFS, why didn't you change the game title? Must be real fun to see me responding to an already finished game.

I was gonna say something about it, but I thought it was funnier to not say anything and see when you realize it.

Me too, that was hilarious