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greetings.
why is it that i only ever seem to replace into datisi's games these days? i guess they've just always got the best playerlists (or the only ones with people i know) and i get lucky in checking the replacement thread.-
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can you really call something infamous if it's neither "in" nor "famous"? although, if you're referring to that one thing from newbie games, i think that might be a slight misapplication.
on an unrelated note, it's been bothering me that i used to know who you are but i forgot, so i've been reviewing to try to figure it out. i realize i may have an unhealthy fixation on figuring out who people are (perhaps sometimes to the detriment of figuring out their alignment), but really it's just too much fun.-
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i've been reviewing and i remember that, but i'm pretty sure i also remember knowing you.
anyways, while we're talking, thoughts on this post?In post 74, VFP wrote:
I was hoping for a lim before they posted!In post 72, ta vera wrote:
did you want them to vote for you?In post 70, VFP wrote:Well there goes the dream...
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i asked because i had a few thoughts of my own reading that post, and i guess i thought it might be interesting or useful to hear someone else's.In post 188, UneveN wrote:
Are you asking because we weren't actually one away? Or because it is a questionable thing for town to be rooting for?In post 187, northsidegal wrote:anyways, while we're talking, thoughts on this post?
@ta vera, how experienced would you personally say you are at mafia? do you tend to get mislynched very often, or not frequently at all?-
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don't worry, i don't out people. i'm just interested in solving.-
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i've seen that style of play before, most frequently on MU (mafiauniverse). in my experience that sort of bravadoIn post 203, Moongrass wrote:Nsg any thoughts on Sigmund tunneling your slot before rep in?aloneisn't explicitly indicative of someone's alignment one way or the other, but my not unvoting when replacing in was a deliberate choice.-
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i'm curious – why him?
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for the record i think that this current discourse around SS is basically completely non-effective in sorting him (although it still might be useful for other people). i think that these sorts of accusations are basically autopilot for SS because in my experience some random thing fairly similar to this gets thrown at him like every single game.-
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VOTE: Moongrass
feeling somewhat directionless this game, although that may just be a function of me replacing in near the start of the game without there already being a lot of stuff to really dig into. anyways, that being said i think that this might be the best place to vote at the moment. both ta vera and VFP i'm leaning town on at the moment (although i am still reading up on meta tells there). iconeum, andres and SS are all practically null (like i said, i'm 100% of the belief that basically everything SS has said so far is so standard for him as either alignment that it's NAI). that leaves uneven, sigmund and moon.
sigmund has a deeply unpleasant playstyle but is probably not the most effective slot to vote, and between moongrass and uneven i think moon probably has more scum equity.-
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interesting, do you post new vcs instead of editing the placeholder post to avoid the "edited" tag being at the bottom? or is it just a random thing
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why?In post 279, Moongrass wrote:Uneven is the towniest player in this game lol.-
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i'll answer your first line, but first i'd like to hear what you expect that my answer to it will be.In post 281, Moongrass wrote:Why PoE when you don't even have a read on Iconeum or Andres? Seems a bit hasty for you.
Their thought process is very original and lacking any kind of agenda. I am not concerned about them at all.
as to your second point, i feel as though you're taking a pretty strong stance relative to the body of evidence available when it comes to reading uneven. if someone were to confidently declare any player in this game either the scummiest or the towniest, i would guess that it could really only be one of my slot, sigmund's, ormaybeta vera's, so to declare that about uneven is a little surprising. do you really believe that at this point in the game scum needs to be explicitly posting with some kind of "agenda" rather than just blending in via asking questions?
gotcha. in that situation i like to just post the vc as it is when the placeholder goes down, then in my document with all the votecounts i start the next one with any of the changes that happen right after. although it's been a while since i've modded, so i guess i should say i used to do that.In post 282, Datisi wrote:In post 280, northsidegal wrote:interesting, do you post new vcs instead of editing the placeholder post to avoid the "edited" tag being at the bottom? or is it just a random thingvote changes right after a vc are annoying, but vote changes right after a placeholder for a vc before i even managed to edit that vc in? not happening. have an updated vc instead.-
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do you consider this strongly town-indicative? if so, why?In post 283, Moongrass wrote:Like how innocent and adorable is this post. Taking a joke into straight seriousness.-
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i feel as though you're assuming that i've decided that you are today's lynch, or that i'm incapable of changing my mind. "PoEing" is just another word for looking at your reads and figuring out who the best vote is, and i'm not sure where the idea comes from that there can't be a best vote if some players are null or haven't contributed much, which seems to be the implication of what you're saying here. let me rephrase your question with the way that i'm interpreting it, which should hopefully give you some insight into why it's slightly baffling to me:In post 286, Moongrass wrote:I have no idea why you're PoEing early unless you've decided that their meta says they are always VLA as town
you're right in that, historically, i think that i've tended to have a preference towards "sitting back" and letting things play out for a while. thoughts on that: first, i think that i still basically am doing that. a lot of my thoughts / analysis i'm holding for now waiting for more discussion. i also think that i just wanted to make a vote here because i feel as though it's more difficult to sit back when nothing is going on, so i might need to at least start something to help myself form reads. i don't think i'm really being "hasty" or anything, and again i think you assume that what i'm saying here has some significant element of finality to it. do i come across as overtly confident to you?Why look at your current reads, determine the people you lean town on, have no information on, and have non-indicative or scum-indicative information on and then proceed to make a vote when you don't even have a read on Iconeum or Andres? Seems a bit hasty for you.-
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to be clear, that question was a rebuttal of moongrass' reason to townread you, not an indication that i scumread you because you're "blending in via just asking questions" or anything.In post 323, UneveN wrote:
If you think this is what I am doing why not attempt to interact with me? It is strange that both you and ta vera (at an earlier point) have both been happy to simply say 'UneveN is at/near the bottom of my list!' while making no moves towards sorting me.In post 284, northsidegal wrote:do you really believe that at this point in the game scum needs to be explicitly posting with some kind of "agenda" rather than just blending in via asking questions?
in response to your question, in general, i'm much more of a believer that the best way to determine if someone is scum is simply to observe them rather than asking a long series of questions or anything. of course, i do ask people questions, but what i'm trying to say is that the idea that because i haven't asked someone any questions that i'm not attempting to sort them is a little off-base.
i'll agree with you that that series of posts by moongrass was a little weird, but in general i think that scum basically never just makes up something like that.In post 347, Iconeum wrote:
bullshitIn post 232, Moongrass wrote:
I'm not going to say but they know who they are.In post 224, Something_Smart wrote:
Who?In post 222, Moongrass wrote:This reminds me of someone...who did turn out to be scum...
now you got caught out and can't answer something you faked in the first place?
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no, i understood that you were referring to me and i even guessed that you were probably referencing that team mafia game. the point i was making about scum not tending to make stuff up about that is sort of regardless of anything actually having to do with you or what you were saying, though.In post 474, Moongrass wrote:
I guess you didn't know who you were then. It reminded me of your defense as scum in TM2020 White flag.In post 447, northsidegal wrote:i'll agree with you that that series of posts by moongrass was a little weird, but in general i think that scum basically never just makes up something like that.-
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my calling it a weird series of posts also has nothing to do with whether or not i picked up on what you were saying. same with whether or not i agree with you on that other thing you were trying to get across to me.-
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-shrug-
what's the point of even bringing it up, and if you're going to bring it up, why bother with the whole "that person knows who they are"? just seems like a weird thing to do.-
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okay, i don't think that's a good argument for a lot of reasons but given that this line of discussion was never really about litigating it and i don't really care to anyways, i'm just going to leave it at that.-
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been busy, might be busy for the rest of today (irl, not today in-game)
i would say that you overestimate the amount of people in this playerlist who know who i am and how much the scumteam even ought to fear me, but given even sigmund seems to know me perhaps it's more people in the playerlist than i realized. (although that second part still might be overestimated, i am quite rusty.)In post 580, Moongrass wrote:I will say that I do like your push on nsg. I don't see scum doing that if nsg is town as they can just conveniently dispose of her N1 with no one questioning that NK.-
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when did you go from VFP at the bottom of your readslist to "i care if i take town with me"? this is a strange thing to say, even in the hypothetical where you're just talking to people as if they're town (as a lot of people do). after all, if i thought someone were just voting me with literally no justification and they outright said they weren't going to give me one, i think that one of my first responses (and most people's first response) would be to make some sort of ruckus about how this is an obvious scum push.In post 585, Moongrass wrote:
I care about a retaliation vote on you in coming days. You misunderstand my perspective. I don't care if I go down I care if I take town with me because they couldn't give good reasons for their vote and will be easy targets.In post 584, VFP wrote:You have this image that I'm going to vote where's safe or care about a retaliation vote on me.even ifi were then to go on to try to appeal to the person and say "this will look bad for you if you do this with no reasons, even if you're scum you should give me a reason here", i wouldn't frame it as being worried about the person potentially being town and me maybe taking them down with me, i would frame it exactly like how i just did, because i would genuinely believe i were talking to scum and would thus want to engage on that level.
am i missing something here?
(also, i realize i've been responding mostly to you here for the past few posts as well as calling your posting "strange" pretty often – nothing specific meant by it, just so happened to turn out this way)-
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again, not trying to harp on moongrass a ton, but why moongrass town? that's the only one here where i find it hard to see the perspective. nullread, maybe—townread, can't really see it personally at the moment.In post 589, Something_Smart wrote:I'm having trouble following the thread of this game, that's definitely true. Not totally unhappy with my reads though. (Ta vera and nsg as townreads, Sigmund and Moongrass as townleans.)-
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haven't actually, been a bit busy this week so haven't done as much sleuthing as i'd like. at this point i almost feel more invested in the game itself than in who people are (which i feel like is a rare feeling i should hold onto), but i put a decent amount of stock into self-meta claims similar to this, so i'll get back to it.In post 605, Moongrass wrote:nsg I know you've worked out who I am, and if that's the case you should know I'm town by now.
as an aside, i know is that this might mean little coming from me when it's something being leveled at me in the first place, but from an objective standpoint i think that post 193 never happens if me and ta vera are partnered. i only bring this up because it's something i sort of made a little note of when she posted it – i just thought to myself "huh, if i saw that interaction take place between two other people they probably would never be scum together".-
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sorry, i don't really believe you and "i care about misreading people" doesn't really do it for me as a justification.In post 604, Moongrass wrote:
That was in my first retaliation to his push on me, I told him that based on his reasoning he has no good reason to vote me. My later responses were addressing his argument that he doesn't need a reason to vote someone.In post 599, northsidegal wrote:if i thought someone were just voting me with literally no justification and they outright said they weren't going to give me one, i think that one of my first responses (and most people's first response) would be to make some sort of ruckus about how this is an obvious scum push.
i find it difficult to look at the progression of someone being at the bottom of your readslist and you voting that person, to that person saying that they're going to vote you with no reason, to you voting someone else entirely, saying that you don't want to mislynch town so you'd really like reasons, and basically walking away from the conversation. i think that even the absolute most charitable players don't really tend to have progressions like that as town.
now, i could be wrong, but again i have to say it just makes it difficult for me to believe that you actually scumread VFP. instead, it seems more likely that you just wanted to disengage and vote for the easier ico wagon, for which support was building.-
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i get that you're having fun playing a character on an alt. i've done that myself fairly often. i'd just appreciate if you remembered that, if you're town, there are other people in the game trying to win who in part rely on you cooperating. and, even if you're scum, there's already one person who left this game in an emotional rage from your antics.
i'm not trying to come across as preachy (although i probably am), i just care about winning. i'm hope you can understand that.-
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it's an interesting turn of phrase here to say that willing to trust sigmund on the matter. do you mean that you agree with his logic on norwee being town, or that you don't really see it yourself but you're agreeing because you think sigmund is town and trust his judgment? it's possible i'm reading into stuff too much here, but i'm just interested to hear a bit more of your thought process.In post 567, UneveN wrote:
I would replace Andresvmb with Iconeum here. And outside of NorwegianboyEE's exit northsidegal has not felt particularly towny to me but I am willing to trust Sigmund on this matter at this time.In post 565, VFP wrote:I think Ta, SS, and Andre is a decent lim pool.
is your reason for scumreading ta vera mainly what you brought up in 453?-
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could you point to posts where you think this is happening?In post 615, UneveN wrote:It is both what I brought up there and that she seemed frustrated that I was being townread in a way that mafia have before. Like the town is 'letting me' skate by through the parts of the game where I 'should' be miselimable and allowing me to potentially reach the part of the game where I can be semi-useful.-
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what do you mean when you say "emulated behavior"? and, just to be clear, i'm not saying that post is alignment indicative, i'm just saying that it's non-associative-indicative.In post 621, UneveN wrote:Also I think 193 is an emulated behaviour for alt reasons but that is not alignment indicative.
does it bother you at all that you essentially harassed someone out of the game? even if you think he was overreacting, was there any self-reflection over whether or not you maybe went too far?In post 623, Sigmund wrote:
pls tell me moreIn post 613, northsidegal wrote:i get that you're having fun playing a character on an alt. i've done that myself fairly often. i'd just appreciate if you remembered that, if you're town, there are other people in the game trying to win who in part rely on you cooperating. and, even if you're scum, there's already one person who left this game in an emotional rage from your antics.
i'm not trying to come across as preachy (although i probably am), i just care about winning. i'm hope you can understand that.
i appreciate the confidence, but i am quite rusty. if you truly are that confident in me, i feel as though i've already posted a lot to engage with.In post 625, Sigmund wrote:I have heard NSG is a legendary solver of puzzles
a peerless seer whose wise gaze can pierce the thickest of clouds.
I am waiting for her to deliver the scumbags on a plate so I may cut them apart.-
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okay, i don't agree. i think that regardless of whether or not ta vera is scum that post was sincere, and i think that my reasons to think that are pretty decent. i suppose i should elaborate on why i think it's non-associative indicative, though: it's not about whether or not ta vera would have told me who she is privately, which i agree is unlikely. i think just the more salient point is that if ta vera were scum and i were also scum, she either would not have made the post at all because she wouldn't expect me to actually try to figure out who she was (given that that sort of thing is vaguely town-adjacent to meta-ing people, something scum doesn't really need to do), or if she did make it she would have made it in the scum PT. i'm not sure if i have a great non-intuitive justification for that second point—it's really just the sort of thing that i feel would get said in the scum PT, especially given that revealing your partner's identity could have ramifications for people's reads and thus would fall under the purview of scum strategy, again pointing towards it being discussed in the PT.In post 633, UneveN wrote:
I mean that I believe that post to be a behaviour that ta vera has observed other alts engaging in and deployed it here to obscure herself. I do not believe it to be non-associative indicative as even if she is your partner a) that does not necessarily mean she has revealed her identity to you and b) there are other players in the game.In post 627, northsidegal wrote:what do you mean when you say "emulated behavior"? and, just to be clear, i'm not saying that post is alignment indicative, i'm just saying that it's non-associative-indicative.
do you have a specific reason to believe that that post was just a copy of observations of how other alts behave, or is it just working backwards from already thinking that ta vera is scum?-
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hm. i think i may be a little confused here over the connotations of "emulated behavior" and "a behaviour that ta vera has observed other alts engaging in and deployed it here to obscure herself".In post 637, UneveN wrote:
Huh? It was working backwards from the fact that ta vera is an alt, not scum. I already stated that I do not believe it to be alignment indicative. I think the post was sincere in that ta vera is indeed trying to hide her identity and would prefer not to be outed, but the asking you not to if discovered and such is a behaviour of some alts that I believe she has observed as I have also observed it.In post 635, northsidegal wrote:do you have a specific reason to believe that that post was just a copy of observations of how other alts behave, or is it just working backwards from already thinking that ta vera is scum?
when you say that it's a behavior of some alts that you believe she has observed, what conclusion exactly do you draw / do you think that i should draw from that? i feel as though i'm missing something here.
it's really more about the meta-conversation, although i suppose the conversation really isn't all that important.In post 638, Sigmund wrote:does any1 really care what frog-girl's secret identity is.-
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sure, i agree it's NAI. i just think the specific context in which it was posted is evidence against a me/her team, which i brought up only because i noted it at the time it was posted.
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what's your coalition at this stage guys
funnily enough i think that i agree mostly with 543, i think mine is {nsg, uneven, ta vera, SS, sigmund}
uneven is iffy but i'm sort of trusting moon on it, SS is mostly null but on the towny side of null. could maybe sub one of them with VFP but i'm sort of doubtful and from what i've reviewed VFP has a better scumgame than i initially expected (no offense or anything, just what i expected based on join date)-
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andres is a bit of a surprising inclusion. i'd also be interested in hearing your reasons for townreading moongrass.In post 645, UneveN wrote:
{UneveN, Sigmund, Moongrass, VFP, Andresvmb}In post 644, northsidegal wrote:what's your coalition at this stage-
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fair. i can even see where you're coming from and maybe even agree, actually.In post 648, UneveN wrote:
I liked his content with regards to Iconeum.In post 647, northsidegal wrote:andres is a bit of a surprising inclusion.
a little more dubious, i think.
Willing to solo-pilot the game, hasn't crashed.In post 647, northsidegal wrote:i'd also be interested in hearing your reasons for townreading moongrass.-
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i don't townread ta vera incredibly strongly, i think it just so happens that a lot of my posting has been in defense of her. i do lean town on her though, so i'll try to compile some reasons.-
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could you elaborate on what you mean by / where you see instances of my misreading your thinking?In post 655, Andresvmb wrote:
NSG I’m not going to lie - I think this is somewhat of a crappy coalition. I don’t know that I would have S_S as high as you do, or nearly enough to include in a “coalition”. And I’m also a bit confused as to why you seem so intent to misread some of my thinking, but that’s a bit self-centered I suppose.In post 644, northsidegal wrote:funnily enough i think that i agree mostly with 543, i think mine is {nsg, uneven, ta vera, SS, sigmund}-
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you're confusing the chronology there. i was confused uneven included you, uneven gave the reason, then i said that i agreed that your progression on iconeum was good. this is also—to my memory—the only instance that i've even really talked about you or your contributions, so i don't think there's anything else you could possibly be referring to in 660 when you say i thought your contributions were good but not worthy of being townread than this.In post 659, Andresvmb wrote:
You agree with how I’m looking at Iconeum, but you’re surprised another player might include me in their Town pool? I just didn’t get that at all.In post 649, northsidegal wrote:In post 648, UneveN wrote:
In post 647, northsidegal wrote:
andres is a bit of a surprising inclusion.
I liked his content with regards to Iconeum.
fair. i can even see where you're coming from and maybe even agree, actually.-
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let me answer your question with a few questions, hopefully this isn't annoying.In post 664, Andresvmb wrote:
Perhaps that me reading backwards when catching up. But I’ll say this - I think you should be able to read me properly here. Do you think I’m Scum?In post 661, northsidegal wrote:you're confusing the chronology there. i was confused uneven included you, uneven gave the reason, then i said that i agreed that your progression on iconeum was good. this is also—to my memory—the only instance that i've even really talked about you or your contributions, so i don't think there's anything else you could possibly be referring to in 660 when you say i thought your contributions were good but not worthy of being townread than this.
do you have some unique confidence that i should be able to read you, or is that more of a general statement of faith in my ability (as well as my alignment)? if it's the first, why? as i said elsewhere, i think you said we played together before but i can't seem to recall or find whatever game that might have been.
do you think that i scumread you?
do you think that you have objectively played in a towny manner this game or have otherwise specifically played your towngame? if so, what parts of your play this game so far characterizes that?-
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ah, i realized earlier that we had played on 451 but i guess it then slipped my mind.In post 669, Andresvmb wrote:
We played a game back in 2018 that I distinctly remember. Here: https://forum.mafia451.com/t/chosen-gam ... =andresvmb. You were somewhat lurky but read me correctly.In post 665, northsidegal wrote:let me answer your question with a few questions, hopefully this isn't annoying.
do you have some unique confidence that i should be able to read you, or is that more of a general statement of faith in my ability (as well as my alignment)? if it's the first, why? as i said elsewhere, i think you said we played together before but i can't seem to recall or find whatever game that might have been.
do you think that i scumread you?
And yes, from how you’ve approached me, I think you SR me. I would rather you just stated it either way.
yeah, i guess i'm getting old. it's weird, i still feel like a newbie but now sometimes i'm among the oldest players in a playerlist, and i would be the equivalent of a 2013-er when i joined in 2017 (if my math is right). weird.In post 670, ta vera wrote: i know you, but only as a moderator.-
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hello!In post 745, sang froid wrote:I mostly joined because of nsg, hi nsg!
it almost feels like this game is a birthday present to me or something, the amount of people who know me in it and who have also decided to conceal their identity such that i can enjoy trying to figure out who they are. it's fun, it seems rare these days for me to know a lot of people in a playerlist.
as to you sheeping me, i'd prefer for you to just follow what you think is best.-
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pretty sure i know who you are now, but unfortunately i'd still slow down on you saying i don't scumread you. my reads were kind of thrown up in the air yesterday but i'm still not really convinced on you being town.In post 749, Moongrass wrote:
She doesn't actually think I'm scum and will most likely move her vote elsewhere by day end.In post 745, sang froid wrote:However, if nsg is strongly convinced on moongrass, I'm happy to sheep her D1 as I generally think she has a better read-rate than I do
Lets say you're right. Who is Sigmund's buddy?
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my computer keeps crashing so i'm gonna type this sort of fast without really taking the time to quote anything directly to respond to sang froid scumreading sigmund
i townread sigmund primarily because i have a decently strong conviction that, were sigmund to be scum, he would be more actively pushing towards a scum win condition. you might think that he already his through whatever he's doing, the vote switching and etc., but i think that it would be a lot more "obvious" if he were scum. as it is now, i don't think sigmund is really "hardpushing" anyone, moreso kind of mulling around, seemingly bored – were he scum, i think that an actual, non-meme hard push would be being made on someone who the scumteam wanted dead. i don't think that we're seeing that, and based on my mental model of sigmund and in general of players like him, i think that that's town indicative.
just wanted to give my reasons
p-edit haha wow so many posts-
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My computer keeps crashing which is really annoying so I'll keep it short - I think the bolded claims are just false.In post 814, sang froid wrote:The troublesome thing is that there’s no substance or thought process behind his pushes,I think, and that’s further encouraged by the fact that when called on that he cannot provide it. Perhaps he’s just unwilling to, but I think it’s because there is nothing behind it.He’s a lazy scumplayerwho wants to get by on being toneread as town.-
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I think there hasn't been a lot of elaboration, but the votes have followed something of a pattern of mostly staying within one PoE.
I think that I'm a lazy scumplayer, and that sig's play doesn't resemble that or any other lazy scumplayer. I think sig is a high effort scumplayer and sort of a lazy town player.
I think sig has done some outrageous stuff, but is probably a townie. I also think that enough has been said about that outrageous stuff, and the rest is best left to postgame.-
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Btw can you ask dats for like a 24 hour extension just to see if we can get it-
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Directed at sang. PT slips as a hypothesis should basically always be discarded, as I said earlier in my PT.In post 828, Moongrass wrote:
Who was that directed at nsg? That read like a post for a PT.In post 825, northsidegal wrote:Btw can you ask dats for like a 24 hour extension just to see if we can get it-
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Fair, just figured I'd ask.In post 827, sang froid wrote:I’m generally opposed to extensions on principle, I think they’re unfair on the scumteam in the vast majority of cases and don’t like to support them regardless of alignment.-
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I was going to quote some posts, but I think I will actually do it tomorrow.In post 826, sang froid wrote:I’m not seeing it yet, but I’ll take another look. I do have another 10 pages of catch up left too.
I think there’s a mistake you’re making which is WIM vs effort. I think Sigmund is probably a high WIM player regardless of alignment. I think you can make a lot of posts as scum and give the impression of activity while still being lazy in making a consistent effort with your thought processes etc, trusting that the WIM you exhibit will be misread as towniness.
For now, I actually don't consider sig a high WIM player this game - I think he's been listless and probably bored. Based on that, I think that - even absent any meta - it makes sense based on the play sig has displayed so far to think that, were sig to be scum this game he would probably be making more of his own fun. Do you get what I mean?-
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Don't think so, uneven gets until at least tomorrow for me.In post 837, sang froid wrote:nsg, if I can’t sell you on Sigmund by EoD would you be willing to compromise on uneven?-
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Moon, question on your progression here - did you townread me when you explained to me why you thought uneven was the towniest in the game?-
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Okay, moon. Say we're both town, and sig is town, Andres is maybe town, and uneven is town. Let's just say that's the case. Who's scum?-
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Is that why you said the same thing to ta vera?-
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I understood what you meant, I just wasn't sure if I agreed with the read.
gosh, you keep underestimating me-
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i used to drink copious, probably unhealthy amounts of tea, but lately ever since i got this fancy coffee maker i've been drinking copious, probably unhealthy amounts of coffee. it's pretty good!-
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by the way, i drink it for the taste, not to wake up or for the caffeine or anything-
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dang, less than a page in a whole day-
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what happened to the ta vera read?In post 893, VFP wrote:I was prodded
VOTE: Something Smart
I think SS is just scum here. There's.anough players to suspect SS as well so let's see how much resistance there is here.-
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you're wrongIn post 943, Moongrass wrote:I also think this is nsg's scum meta,
take this from an nrg reviewer, you're wrong about neighborhood balance. a neighborhood where they both townread each other is nothing close to a masonry - the strength in a masonry is mostly the confirmed aspect, not the communication aspect. two people separately informed the other is town is way closer in balance to a masonry than a mutual townread hood.I have knowledge of a masonry existing in this game, now it would be hugely unbalanced if there were also a neighbor PT with two town players in it because once the neighbors townread each other it's effectively a double masonry in the game with 4 pseudo confirmed town. Therefore, in the name of balance it's likely that one of the two neighbors is scumand if it were Andre they would not have claimed their neighbor because if we did elim nsg at some point down the track it would mean Andre's head when the masonry is discovered.
for the record though, it's not impossible that setup wise one of the neighbors is scum. given a traffic analyst in this setup, the pieces would sort of start to slot into place.
also, the bolded is actually just nonsense, sorry.-
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i think scum informed of a masonry seems more likely than town informed?-
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{moon, sang, vfp} is i think my primary lynchpool, final answer for today-
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