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odd comment to make two pages into the game when there are only two ostensibly RVS votes on northsidegal. This is compounded by the fact that Farren explained his vote clearly only a few votes before.
so, it seems like flow trap is both just posting an observation to post without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon.
flow trap did neither so my observation in #13 was less tongue-in-cheek than might have been first interpreted. I didn't really scum read flow trap off of that, but that was my first reaction of, "huh that's a bit awkward." but then I tried to coax flow trap to join the wagon on NSG and they just refused for seemingly no real reason. I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility for
actively
avoiding the wagon.
like i tend to think townies, especially in RVS, are on average more likely to swing their vote around and build wagons even for n/a reasons. I don't know flow trap and I'm probably not going to meta them anytime soon but I am still lacking a sense of why their approach to voting nsg was like oil on water
I don't think that overall really says anything about northsidegal's alignment, more just that flow trap seemed to be deliberately avoiding taking a bold stance (like being the third vote on a wagon could be seen as)
hmm
Kinda eh on the fact you didn't comment on it when it was actually posted iirc but tbh the explanation is pretty good so you can be town
In post 140, Ich Troje wrote:I think flow needs more content in terms of their reaction before i feel any level of confidence but im feeling their scum meta in their vibes. VOTE: flow
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what specifically about their scum meta are you feeling?
this is the second or third time Dannflor has asked something I wanted to as well, which I like
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Post #236 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:19 pm
Postby Esooa »
In post 220, redtea wrote:i have like one other thought but it's not relevant atm and i don't want to derail. Ask if you really want to know
basically i feel that either flow is sloppy scum or a false flag, and he feels more like the latter.
it also takes me a while to feel out who's just goofing and who's maf and goofing, so that definitely contributes to weak early reads of mine. sorry.
did you just say you weren't going to give the thought immediately then you gave it in the same post?
Kinda scummy too, he's being way more jokey than I remember as town, where he basically wasn't at all
Have people seen T3 play like this btw? When I played with him last I meta read like 4 of his games and I've played with him twice and I've not seen it. I guess since he didn't do it as a wolf before it's not super wolfy but it's making me uncomfortable lmao
can you expand on this? partially cause i might have an opinion to contribute
yeah, they're in thread asking questions and taking stuff seemingly serious but they're not actually solving at all
so anyways VOTE: farren
yeah, okay
so my thought was
I also think Farren is playing it a little too easy. There is one way to look at his posts that would make me doubt he's maf, but for the most part nothing he's done is making me tr him. If someone's played with him before, any info would be helpful.
in other words, yeah ill throw them a vote VOTE: farren
Any reason you didn't want to explain this before?
In post 241, Esooa wrote:Have people seen T3 play like this btw?
what exactly do you mean "like this"
i have a very loose experience / read a couple games of his and personally i feel he is a bit hard to pin down and can feel "unnatural" as both alignments
i dont know to what you are referring to this game? you keep mentioning his spam but that seemed to be a technological misfunction sooo
think I've explained, they're just way more jokey and by spam post or whatever, I don't mean what they did on accident lol. When t3 played before, they didn't post much at all, and pretty much just gave short reads in one-two posts every once in a while.
I was hoping to be able to get an easy read on him tbh, he was really easy to read before imo but atm I'd lean wolf
Kinda scummy too, he's being way more jokey than I remember as town, where he basically wasn't at all
Have people seen T3 play like this btw? When I played with him last I meta read like 4 of his games and I've played with him twice and I've not seen it. I guess since he didn't do it as a wolf before it's not super wolfy but it's making me uncomfortable lmao
In post 241, Esooa wrote:Have people seen T3 play like this btw?
what exactly do you mean "like this"
i have a very loose experience / read a couple games of his and personally i feel he is a bit hard to pin down and can feel "unnatural" as both alignments
i dont know to what you are referring to this game? you keep mentioning his spam but that seemed to be a technological misfunction sooo
think I've explained, they're just way more jokey and by spam post or whatever, I don't mean what they did on accident lol. When t3 played before, they didn't post much at all, and pretty much just gave short reads in one-two posts every once in a while.
I was hoping to be able to get an easy read on him tbh, he was really easy to read before imo but atm I'd lean wolf
actually what do you mean I keep mentioning his "spam post"
I pretty much only said it was awful once, and didn't actually say it meant anything
I wrote that he's being way more jokey, and asked about that again
I assumed I had mentioned him posting more as part of what I think is different about him this game, but after ISOing myself as well it's not there
In post 334, Dannflor wrote:btw I think I'm town reading both flow trap and esooa now
all questions can go to my manager
ask them why you're town reading me
actually both of us
honestly I feel like you don't randomly hop on a new wagon, while you still had traction on the old wagon, admit you are still scum reading your old wagon, and then claim your only reason for starting the new wagon is "I felt like it," as scum
it just feels very comfortable, which honestly weren't the vibes I was getting from you at the start of the game! so maybe I'm a clown and you've settled in but that sequence of events is just like
idk I would have expected you to make up a more "legitimate" sounding reason at some point, or shown a read progression, but you just openly admitted you did not
I will elaborate on flow trap in probably a bigger reads list a little later in the day, I'm waiting for nsg to post a little more and specifically curious if her read on flowtrap has changed at all
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Post #358 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:39 am
Postby Esooa »
In post 352, Ich Troje wrote:Town esooa likes to get into fights and thunderdomes, scum esooa likes to stay away from that, both are aggressive though usually, but scum esooa notably is not as much so or rather can be passive and let others run the show.
In our scum game, I was mostly pulling the strings and pushing town to mislim eachother while esooa just sat back and took potshots and such.
Sorta feel same vibe here.
koba, you've played one game with me in like 6 months. I was slanking the FoL game for obvious reasons. That's the biggest part of why I was less direct in it. And that's pretty much the same with my town game. My direct involvement is related to my investment, not alignment
past that I'm less thunder dome-y in general. He's my most recently ended town game:
I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.
I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.
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Post #382 (isolation #47) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:35 am
Postby Esooa »
you and dann town
t3, farren, redtea wolf
then there's what.. flowtrap? They seem fine. I don't remember the rest. Oh yeah, enchant. I think their reasoning for voting t3 was towny but it's something I've seen better wolves use, I think it's probably towny though. As for koba, one sec
I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.
I actually think this is the wolfiest post in the thread
the read sounds fake as fuck as koba says there's "thought flow," but that flow is... "I'm going to vote esooa" "I voted esooa"
maybe I'm missing something because this is so ridiculously bland that I have no clue what anyone finds towny and it
t3s agreement, as well as t3s other posts, make me believe he's the more likely wolf. I don't think wolf t3 just hops along with the koba read on farren there, were koba a wolf
t3s posts last page are pretty empty; agreeing with a koba post that doesn't actually make sense and voting me without having a read on me at all despite him actually having played with me recently are both things I dislike a lot
and his attitude in general comes off as scummy to me
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Post #389 (isolation #49) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:45 am
Postby Esooa »
In post 386, northsidegal wrote:would you agree that there's something a little unbelievable about the idea that this seems to be your reaction only when prompted for reads instead of your immediate reaction to seeing that post?
it was my immediate reaction. I questioned koba on that post and t3 on his vote and agreement. I haven't gotten responses from either of them and didn't care to share regardless though, but if asked I figure may as well
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Post #390 (isolation #50) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:47 am
Postby Esooa »
In post 388, northsidegal wrote:would you further agree that, if you think that that is the wolfiest post in the thread, the fact that your initial reaction to what troje said about your meta was to imply that they were not up to date on it rather than to think that they were scum simply lying to push you somewhat indicates that you actually believe (or are informed) that troje is town?
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Post #391 (isolation #51) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:49 am
Postby Esooa »
koba thinks they know my meta but it's changed. So I pointed out to them it's changed. If they were to not update their opinions I'd probably wolf read that but their post about my meta--while wrong--was fine imo. You're jumping the gun on this, tbh
Given that your previous thoughts on me were that I was scummy, I don't see how you get from "Farren is scummy" to "I think I'll vote elsewhere" without changing your mind. Moreover, jumping to someone that was voting for me at the time.
The logical explanation is that you don't actually think I'm scummy.
Actually, I did just think of a potential reason - at least for the changing your vote in general. But I still want to hear yours.
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Post #412 (isolation #56) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:44 pm
Postby Esooa »
I'm not gonna vote camp someone all day. Sounds boring. Besides that I scum read red, which I've said. You've really got a problem with someone moving their vote from one scum read to another?