micro 1049: taking it bit by bit (endgame)

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Hi Friends!

We rolled an Ascetic role!

Dats is still asleep I believe but will be around later

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I like everyone who's posted so far except for Flea.

flea why don't you like mayhem?

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I like everyone who's posted so far except for Flea.

flea why don't you like mayhem?

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Don't take my thoughts before I think them.

mmm

why do you not like Flea?

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He is sound asleep because he's had a long day.



do you want to talk about why you want to push Misty or should I just let you do your thing?

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VOTE: rcenigma

i swear this is unrelated to the fact duck also voted him, though i will not complain if our reasons are the same

also i just woke up, hi koba what is the up

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UNVOTE:

koba, i'm giving you one post to explain why you were asking for me and why you are voting me now

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VOTE: dkkoba

well that's utter bullshit then, cheers

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there is absolutely nothing to cross reference since i was asleep when the game started, and i made one vote when i woke up

so this is either a shitty reaction test or a shitty posture for today's push and im either case, i do not have the patience for it

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k

lemme know if/when we go back to normally playing mafia

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why should i townread your opening

you shouldn't, it was as nai of an intro as it gets

if you tell me what you "cross-checked" and how it lead you to the conclusion that i am sucm based off one (1) post, i might unvote you and vote kenny

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idk if that is even ~accurate~, but my intro is none of those "scum" traits, and the "i swear i am not voting rce just because duck is also voting him" was plainly not a super serious statement

try again?

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"datisi didn't towntell in the very first post of the game so he's scum" is lol

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"datisi didn't towntell in the very first post of the game so he's scum" is lol

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yes

this is a bad take and you should feel bad for saying it

I hope you are doing this for reasons that are not actually serious

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VOTE: rcenigma

i swear this is unrelated to the fact duck also voted him, though i will not complain if our reasons are the same

also i just woke up, hi koba what is the up

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VOTE: logic and literature

This is something that really frightens me. I am on the same page as Koba with the holstering and now the same seems to be the case with LaL and their claim. What is happening here?

would you like to expand on why you believe an ascetic claim makes us more likely to be mafia? do you think we are a mafia ascetic or just mafia fake-claiming ascetic?

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You don't sound very serious

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I think I've given you adequate time to back off if you are town doing this for some kind of ??? reaction test so if you want to continue down this path I will take it as a scum claim from you

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you have 0 interest in figuring out my alignment, the only concern is with making me back off, and if that fails, intense discredit.

you are the one claiming you can townread datisi correctly immediately and your read is currently wrong so you would have to be mafia.

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Koba do you think you could be wrong!town?

because you've presented yourself as being unable to be wrong!town

so if it's impossible for you to be wrong!town and I know I'm town, the only choice left would be that you're scum trying to hard shove a mis-lim through because you are terrified of us.

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well you're presenting with the following pieces of information:

(1) You can townread Datisi with high accuracy off his first post

(2) You scumread his first post


I also have (3) Datisi is town as part of my role pm.

So my only rational conclusion is that you are scum and trying to mislim us.

You can't simultaneously claim to be able to read us with high accuracy + confidence and also claim you could likely be wrong!town

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I don't care what you care about

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You don't even have flea as a townread in your post 6 minutes ago so it sounds like your reads are fake as fuck



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also I really doubt town!you begins by immediately shit-shoving us right away if you have a scumread on us because it's much better for town!you to see where scum!us position ourselves on pushing first just to get a sense of who our partner is.

this kind of blind aggression feels more likely from scum!you because you have issues with leaving associatives when you try to play passively as scum and you feel more comfortable going on the attack.

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I'm just continually getting the vibe you dont want to think about the game critically based on your interactions with me

When mathblade was tunneling you in Mini Normal Bunnies, you didnt react like this

because I knew mathblade was town since he had an innocent result on him from a flipped power role.

you should know better than this

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The sentence about my townreads and about flea were 2 separate thoughts ari, dont be obtuse.
Flea is null, if i were to get you as green theyd be my first suspect

no after I flip green you will flip next because you claimed proficiency in reading us so the town is obligated to murder you for being wrong since wrong!townkoba can't exist according to YOU

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like you constantly claim that I'm uninterested in figuring out your aligment and i'm uninterested in critical thought in my engagement with you.

except YOU are the one who has been claiming proficiency on your read of Datisi

YOU are the one who is claiming you can't be wrong!town and this push is because Datisi is scum.

I have no reason to think you are wrong!town if you don't think you could possibly be wrong!town.


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I didnt let IV breathe until house threw himself in front of him js

Do you have a point with this?

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I didnt let IV breathe until house threw himself in front of him js

Do you have a point with this?

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You argued i wouldnt immediately shitpush from the start when objectively not just fmpov thats false from meta

this is your iso from bunnies:

viewtopic.php?t=88600&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

jan 23 - vote for datisi
jan 23 - vote for IV
jan 25 - vote for Lapla

you have critical thought on multiple slots/solving

here you're saying "i can read datisi right away" I'm voting here rest of the day period on d1 - it's not the same thing.

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also IV was actually mafia in that game so that just weakens the case for wrong!town you.

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You also have a history of using aggression to fuck with the reads of people who you think are good at playing town so this fits your scum MO to a T.

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also IV was actually mafia in that game so that just weakens the case for wrong!town you.

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Why?

Burden of Proficiency.

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I'd rather flip scum!you and your partner can fearkill me tonight

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I'm ascetic so they don't even have to worry about doctor or watcher

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I doubt you take this line of play with us if you're town who thinks we're scum.

You shitpushing IV makes sense because IV does not deal with pressure well as scum - he has issues with freezing up under pressure and an inability to spitfire a town thought process under duress.

I do not have issues with deflecting pressure as scum, I do not freeze up, you are literally not going to get anywhere with scum!me doing a fast shit push and it just gives me room to hide since I can 1v1 you forever and probably yeet you - strategically it makes little sense for you to do this.

If anything I have more issues when I don't have something to talk about since I have to create content from nothing and you are much better suited at figuring out where my partner is through that and getting a correct read on me.

You know this but you decided to do it anyway - which kind of implies to me that you are not really interested in game solving/accuracy but rather you feel pressure to scramble my reads and attack me in order to either mis-yeet me and/or generate a townread for yourself because you are hoping that I don't think scum!you would be bold enough to initiate engagement and shitshove me this early in the game.

This is why I am making it as clearly as possible;

if Koba forces this flip on us through - do not let them get away with it tommorrow - yeet immediately - do not pass go - do not collect 200 dollars - just vote them out

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you're the one claiming you can read datisi off one post

why are you asking me for help?

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you can't simultaneously pretend to be datisi-soulreader dkkoba with 100% accuracy off one post and also be like "help me read you correctly i dont know what im doing"

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you're the one claiming you can read datisi off one post

why are you asking me for help?

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Because frankly i want to prove your omgus is just scum flailing
But also for the low chance I can find town!you

How would you prove my omgus is scum flailing by asking me for questionable self-towncase?

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Like ari it feels more like youre making excuses *not* to engage in good faith when i am asking you to towncase yourself. My playstyle revolves around analyzing thought orocess - i want yours open because i tonally scumread datisi

I think you are good enough of a player to recognize that a self!towncase is stupid and pointless because scum can make one just as easily as town can unless there are extreme meta differences that are actually alignment indicative - but pointing those out yourself would be a violation of site rules and result in a ban/modkill.

You are clearly not engaging in good faith.

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while i agree that self towncases can be helpful for reading someone, i find it really dubious that koba is asking for one on page fucking 7, when most of our slot's contribution so far has been this pointless banter

like i don't think it's that difficult to understand that there's nothing to make a towncase from because the game has barely started, but it seems like koba is gonna use that as "aha so you admit you aren't townie!!" (like they had with my intro post) when no fucking shit i don't have material for a self towncase when it's page seven

i told ari on discord that i didn't yet feel koba is scum but on second thought idk fam

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like, this feels like a trap where we will inevitably go "we have not left our scumrange yet" (because i don't think it's possible to leave it this soon at this point in our games) and they will respond with a "so you're scum?"

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kenny, should i be worried about the fact that the last time we played a mere normal game, you seemed so completely lost wrt mechanincs, but now that we're playing a theme game that's obviously very non-traditional, you're suddenly such a master of mechanics that you can deduce an ascetic is a scum role?

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Like I said in my other post, I don't know why a town!ascetic should be part of this setup with all those kill related roles that are out there. Honestly I don't know if the ascetic part is faked or not. In case of you being scum it doesn't matter too much in my eyes.

it does somewhat matter because if an ascetic doesn't make sense in a game with multiple killing roles - then it doesn't make sense as

either

alignment.

If you believe we are mafia ascetic - then why does the game have a mafia ascetic if the TPRs are vigs?

if you believe we are mafia fake-claiming ascetic - what is the scum motivation for us to do so? What happens if any non-vig TPR targets us?

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weird how you don't have any paranoia that scum!kenny is trying to get you to hardshove town!us and chain your death tomm

also I just realized it's really weird that you don't just say something like "I don't care what you say, I'm a vig and I will shoot you tonight" in response to us.

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I mean if you wanna be obstinate about it we can flip mistyx first then datisi fearkills me and u die next

this actually doesn't make sense from vig!koba

because if you're vig, shouldnt this sentence say "we kill mistyx your scumbuddy and i shoot you at night GG game over?"

why is there even a continuation to day 2?

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did you forget you fake claimed N1 vig ?

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And i stand by that i will holster

there's 0% chance town!koba holsters if they think we're scum here

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I mean if you wanna be obstinate about it we can flip mistyx first then datisi fearkills me and u die next

this actually doesn't make sense from vig!koba

because if you're vig, shouldnt this sentence say "we kill mistyx your scumbuddy and i shoot you at night GG game over?"

why is there even a continuation to day 2?

town

What are your scumreads?

do you enjoy treating people in bad faith?

how do you even go through life like this?

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it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

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it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

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from your POV: if you are town!vig

you yeet me today - I flip town, you holster, tomm you get yeeted for BoP wrong on me.

you shoot me tonight - I flip town, you don't get yeeted because you proved you are town for shooting me with a vig shot.

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you're an egotistic player who enjoys being loud and town leader

if you have a chance to shoot your shot and kill a slot that you are sure is scum and conftown yourself to give yourself thread control you will take it.

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I literally was mad at SS in mini normal bunnies for shooting

would you be mad at SS in mini normal bunnies if he shot a mafia player?

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it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

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What are you actually arguing here though? That scum!DK first post claims n1 vig so they can???

put yourself in Koba's shoes

if you're a vig and you are sure L/L is mafia, why would you not shoot them at night?

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how does it make more sense for koba to not shoot me and instead push me to be eliminated?

it's literally the same result if koba succeeds

either way

- I die and flip town.

except if Koba vigs me they get to be conftown because scum vig is unlikely but if Koba shitpushes me dead they get BoPed the next day.

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Outside of that, what does scum'DK gain from claiming n1 vig?

towncred

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At worst you can say that my claim is NAI because i can be scum mimicing my townplay.

no you slipped when you forgot you could just vig me at night instead of this shit push you are doing

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I think 2L is trying to intentionally antispew bc my BoP is correct because any attempt to move them into more productive conversation is met with resistance and theatrics like this.

you're the one who decided to shit tunnel immediately in bad faith so accusing me of antispewing is a pretty bad read

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how does it make more sense for koba to not shoot me and instead push me to be eliminated?

it's literally the same result if koba succeeds

either way

- I die and flip town.

except if Koba vigs me they get to be conftown because scum vig is unlikely but if Koba shitpushes me dead they get BoPed the next day.

Well then you (as town) die to koba vig (town) plus the night kill (town) and the elim could hit (town).

Now I'm not so good with numbers but all that equals bad time to me.

Or DK can holster and we play Mafia.

let's say we mislim someone today

we go into night 8p - 2scum with Town!koba and Town!LL

Scenario 1: Koba holsters, scum shoot outside me/Koba because scum want koba to continue tunneling me

we wake up at 7p, Koba hardshoves me dead - I flip town - we wake up tomm at 5P, Koba is a easy misyeet for game over.


Scenario 2: Koba shoots me at Night

we wake up at 6P, Koba's basically conftown because confed Vig and can control thread and try to solve for last 2 scum.

Scenario 2 is

much better

for town than Scenario 1.

Trying to hand wave it is just absolutely nonsensical

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I think 2L is trying to intentionally antispew bc my BoP is correct because any attempt to move them into more productive conversation is met with resistance and theatrics like this.

you're the one who decided to shit tunnel immediately in bad faith so accusing me of antispewing is a pretty bad read

Well you are busy proving my point of not making reads elsewhere so cheers

this is likely your intention to make it hard for me to interact with others and form reads by continuously spamming bad faith questions at me.

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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=88941

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You discussing how hyperposting is bad



You should know this game state is not conducive for town figuring things out

yet you continue to spam this thread and harass me for reads/comments that you know I'm unable to form because literally 99% of my energy is spent responding to you and you have deprived this game of any oxygen for other people to breathe and play.

so if you are town here shut up and I will return the favor and let's let everyone else play the game.

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Is misty town?
Whos scum thats not me to you?

shut up with your shitty bad faith comments

nobody else can fit a word in edge wise because all you do is spam questions and disrupt game flow

you are doing it intentionally at this point to drown out everyone else.

you know its impossible for me to form reads on people when i can't talk to anyone else or watch other people have conversations because 90% of the posts are you spamming bullshit at me and me having to respond to your absolute garbage nonsense.

You know this is bad for game state yet you are doing it anyway.

If you are town here this is absolutely some of the worst town play I have ever seen you do

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oops




I have no interest in continuing to enable Koba's ridiculous shit-tunnel spam tactics.

If they actually cared about solving the game they would be quiet and let other people play the game.

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why isnt datisi posting?

because you decided to make the game unpleasant for me from the very start and i have much more fun things to do today

And which townreads of mine do you disagree with?
I townread rce, kenny, enchant, worst, and bugspray(ordered from confident->least confident), have mixed feelings on flea, and think you and misty are below the bar of towniness i have set and ergo scum.

I'm asking you where you think im wrong, even in a scum!me world there has to still be another scum, no?

none of those people are townie

i know that koba sometimes has ~mysterious ways~ to read certain people but that list feels very much like an ass-pull

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I townread

rce

, kenny,

enchant

,

worst

, and

bugspray

(ordered from confident->least confident), have mixed feelings on flea, and think you and misty are below the bar of towniness i have set and ergo scum.

the bolded ones

the kenny one is the only one i can buy being a real thought process, even though i really do not agree with it

i will assume your next question will be "what's fake about them?" and the answer is "since those reads were made really early and were not explained, they are fake until proven otherwise"

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that's great to hear but that does absolutely nothing to convince me *your* slot is town so y'know

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Just yeet Koba

this is either scum shitpush or town hardthrowing

either way it is ++++town!EV to get rid of them

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I don't care enough about your existence to be angry at you

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Like really, if you are town here, you need to disengage. Effectively communicate. And be able to talk to me with the assumption I could be wrong rather than do this whole song and dance.

this is very fucking rich coming from you after you completely ignored my attempts to reach out to you and have you explain your reads

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Like really, if you are town here, you need to disengage.

I have been trying to ignore and disengage from you

You keep harassing me.

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I will explain my mindset very clearly for you.

I was very happy to roll town with Datisi.

I wanted to solve this game with him.

Instead I've had to deal with an incredibly stupid shitpush from one of the most egotistic self-centered people on this entire website.

I will make this very clear to you. I do not care if you yeet us today. I do not care which side wins this game. I do not care about the fact that you exist.

It will be a mercy to not have to deal with you anymore.

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koba: makes the game extremely unfun for me after pushing me out of the gate for absolute nonsense

also koba: datisi didn't press me on things when i showed him no good faith??? datisi scum???

like fam if you're scum i respect the need of having to shut me out but if you're town your approach is fucking atrocious

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@tw, can't promise it's in good condition but sure

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i have things to say to that spoiler but frankly it's way too late here and this game is annoying enough already

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Datisi, I am moreso scumreading Ari now than you - you entrance gave me pings, ari's follow up made me lock in the read.



And i'll be brutally honest, because you keep trying to push the point:

Spoiler: for datisi

i dont think you're town here, but for future reference when you are -> I really am not scared of you as scum. I think you have 0 influence as town and you don't generally pose a threat to me no matter how much you scumread me and just like in conspiracy I was able to easily talk you out of it. I do not find you a threatening player to scum!me in the sense of reads but moreso in your ability to get town to work together/bounce ideas off of. That is all.

If you were 15% as good as you think you are you would be the best mafia player in the world

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@tw, can't promise it's in good condition but sure

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I'm strugglin with resds a bit. I think rce is town and against my better judgement I think Mistyx might be town as well. Bugspray/Flea are in this weird spot where im acutely aware I could misyeet sither of them in like 90% of plists but I also just dont townread either of them at all.

Do you have anything different?

if we're T/T with koba then scum basically don't have to do anything to blend in because nobody is interested in a long back and forth between us.

which is basically most of the playerlist atp so fun

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@tw, i don't have thoughts. i looked at bugs iso earlier and thought it was atrocious. think the way kenny tried to latch onto our claim was atrocious. koba is being koba. everyone is nothing.

usually i would now open people's iso and give you my thoughts but i am in too shitty of a mood for that. maybe tomorrow.

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I actually FOS misty

the only way this post has any value to me is if you actually bother to explain this

otherwise it's just empty words

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yep, off to bed for me, maybe i'll find the patience for this game tomorrow

the fact that duck is being reasonable is making me instinctively wanna townread him even though i know that is a very VERY dangerous game

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I think it is fairly accurate in regards to your behavior however it is NAI because you do it as both alignments.

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L+L - Similar reasons as the worst, Ari primarily has been insistent on waving away all my olive branches and trying to refuge in audacity. I also have yet to be able to find either slot as towny - something I am able to do when they are, in fact town. I find that Ari is intentionally using bad faith arguments to paint me as scum trying to bury them on d1. They have made no real attempt to sort me, resorting to OMGUS. Also largely absent is any sort of solving from the Ari side, and what I have seen from the Datisi side has not really felt very genuine, as there has been really a lack of follow up or a clear progression I could read into. I really implore if this slot is town to please engage the game in a way that is more positive and proactive rather than reactive, because the game will be lost if this slot is actually town. I will try to do my best to see if I can see a solve with these players as town in the chance I am wrong and they are just an imploded slot, but I largely feel that may actually be just me being paranoid of being wrong.

I already told you that it is impossible for me to solve if you insist on flooding this thread full of word vomit and nonsense as most players can't fit a word in edgewise and there's nothing for me to even look at or analyze.

In response to what I said you decided to double down and continue thread flooding with word vomit and claim that I'm not proactively solving.

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ok what read has flea formed

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ok explain flea's read on me

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explain the read

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explain flea's read on me

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why are you unable to answer simple questions?

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me: flea reads you as scum *quotes 3 posts where flea expresses L+L are scummy*

you: explain the read

me, who is not flea: ???????????

i really do wonder what the hurt tag meant if not a scumread according to you ROFL

I'm asking you for Flea's thought process

If you want to express a townread on Flea for scumreading me - you would have to think Flea's read of me is genuine - which would require you being able to explain Flea's thought process for scumreading me.

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The fact that you are unable to answer this question and continue to dodge shows you did not do any evaluation of Flea SRing me.

Which implies you don't care if Flea is scum who is encouraging you to push me.

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If I am loud and hardpushing someone early in D1, one of the basic things I do is keep track of who is agreeing with me and why because it is very easy for mafia to slip into blindspots where they sheep someone who is town, loud, confident, and wrong.

The fact that you did not even consider this and you are townreading Flea for SRing me without any consideration for Flea's thought process and why Flea SRs me, shows that you do not care if you are right about me or your read of the game state.

You are charging without looking - which implies either foolishly arrogant town or just scum shitpushing at speed.

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And you complain I don't engage with you in good faith.

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You made the complaint that Flea is forming reads but I am not.

I asked you to explain Flea's reads.

You pointed out Flea scumreads me and tw.

I asked you to explain Flea's reads.

You did not explain flea's reads.

Because there is no explanation for Flea's reads in Flea's posts. You can't read Flea off Flea's reads because there's no explanations for any of them.

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my read on flea, word for word, in my reads list post: "Flea - I largely feel somewhat of a mindmeld with this slot however im largely cautious as they had a similar feeling when they were scum against me in a game. I do not feel any gut urges to kill this slot right now however so I am willing to bin fae as town for today."

This might be a shock to you but most of us don't give a damn what your gut says.

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i'm just laughing that ari thinks that they can claim things that are demonstratively not true and posted in thread like girl you can't gaslight me, I am a professional when I'm scum and I know the tactics!

my read on flea, word for word, in my reads list post: "Flea - I largely feel somewhat of a mindmeld with this slot however im largely cautious as they had a similar feeling when they were scum against me in a game. I do not feel any gut urges to kill this slot right now however so I am willing to bin fae as town for today."



man it feels good when the solve makes sense haha

if you're town you're doing the same thing to me that you did to skitter in PYOP and you haven't learned anything and you were never sorry then either.

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oops




I have no interest in continuing to enable Koba's ridiculous shit-tunnel spam tactics.

If they actually cared about solving the game they would be quiet and let other people play the game.

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You know you could have disengaged at any time?
You say Koba's not been acting in good faith but they said that when they started the dig at you. You genuinely look like the person trying to deny taking the cookies while your hand is in the jar here.

i think its hilarious because flea's last sentence also applies here!

I'm just flaberghasted that you want to keep claiming this sort of argument.

I don't want to talk to you

You are the one who keeps engaging me. Look at how many posts you have.

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like you are trying to connect me saying that other players have had no difficulty in making reads to my read on flea, as if that has correlation when the conversation was about why *you* cannot make any reads that aren't that I am scum.

That is the issue here and you are trying your best to deflect it. But don't worry, I don't get distracted <3

like you are trying to connect me saying that other players have had no difficulty in making reads to my read on flea, as if that has correlation when the conversation was about why *you* cannot make any reads that aren't that I am scum.That is the issue here and you are trying your best to deflect it. But don't worry, I don't get distracted <3

no I literally just picked the first name in the list you put out and looked to see what "reads" flea has posted and noticed none of them have any explanations.

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ohhh this is a flooding strat

the problem is Koba floods very hard as town too

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like in this game:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88427&activity_ove ... rt_order=d

koba basically spammed so hard everyone stopped playing and then town lost

that's why I'm ok policying their slot because it's anti-town to let them play like this

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like you are trying to connect me saying that other players have had no difficulty in making reads to my read on flea, as if that has correlation when the conversation was about why *you* cannot make any reads that aren't that I am scum.

That is the issue here and you are trying your best to deflect it. But don't worry, I don't get distracted <3

like you are trying to connect me saying that other players have had no difficulty in making reads to my read on flea, as if that has correlation when the conversation was about why *you* cannot make any reads that aren't that I am scum.That is the issue here and you are trying your best to deflect it. But don't worry, I don't get distracted <3

no I literally just picked the first name in the list you put out and looked to see what "reads" flea has posted and noticed none of them have any explanations.

no you didn't. I actually think you are even lying here because you claimed at first that flea didnt have any reads.

You're a moron if you think I would lie about something easily verifiable.

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ok what read has flea formed

viewtopic.php?t=89164&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

i ask you about what flea's reads are

i do not say flea has no reads

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@rce, flea, bugspray, enchant (whoever is town in this category) - please be wary that you're low content, haven't done a lot, and you are hard to townread but currently very easy to pocket.
dkkoba isn't able to explain their reads on any of you with any degree of depth, but their confidence level is increasing rapidly. this isn't sincere.

worst.

i will give you some advice.

i have experience with these players.

they have experience with me


your words will literally mean nothing because they all know that this is expected from me as town.


the only person denying it is ari and datisi, and even datisi isnt fully denying it.

It just really is curious how Ari knows what youre saying is false.. and isn't refuting it though

I said this is how you play town

however it is highly toxic and very -town EV to let you do this so I am fine policying you when you try to floodspam a game

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I am saying your behavior is very similar to PYP and your actions directly led to town losing that game

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I feel your play is similar to PYP;

You subbed in, started flood posting and demoralized the town so thoroughly that most of them gave up.

The scum faded into the background did not have to do much as you destroyed town morale and bullied Skitter, Datisi, Alyssa and Andante who were doing actually ok into the dust.

Here's postgame commentary in case you forgot how that felt:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=88941

You originally expressed regret and posted this in mafia discussion about how hyperposting ruins the game:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=88941

So knowing all of this, the fact that I have appealed to you multiple times to take a step back and let other people talk for once, because there's still

10 days

in the deadline instead of hogging all of the posts to yourself.

Your response is to ignore me and continue bombarding me with word drivel.

I don't know what to make of this.

Either you learned nothing from PYP and you're determined to continue hyperposting and thread dominating regardless of the consequences because you simply don't care and you love the sound of your own voice ?

Or you're just mafia and you don't want us to actually interact with each other.

I can see both being explanations and I have no qualms about voting you out as a policy if you refuse to step back and let others play.

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How about this.

You just prodge for 4 days and let everyone else play.

And then we can talk about reads and stuff?

Still would have ~6 days left until the deadline?

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people are not going to post much in 24 hours.

i'm fairly sure even if you give it 4 days nobody will exceed your post count.

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ok let's vote koba out b4 they come back

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ok, so. i skimmed the last few pages that happened while i was asleep. and every single post of koba that i saw has made me irrationally angry. so, in an effort to (1) promote a solving mindset and atmosphere and (2) not get banned for toxicity, i'm gonna go through everyone else's iso and give my thoughts and utterly ignore anything they've said. cool? cool.

bugspray

- a whooping total of 4 posts, uhhh.... i think this is a scumlean? i don't really care about the early vt claim or whatever, but if i had to rank bugs somewhere, i'd say they're a scumlean because (1) i think town!bugs is excited to try to crack setups open, so the fact that they reacted so weakly and disinterestedly to the claims in 23 is concerning, (2) i think that town!them would be more willing to try to break up the fight, or at least yell at me/my slot for prolonging it, while scum!bugs wouldn't give two shits because realistically, why would they

enchant

- don't feel strongly one way or another, i don't think they've really left their scumrange or anything... i'd put them as the smollest of leantowns due to not realizing that i am a part of a hydra, and i *assume* there would've been talk about us in the scum pt, but this isn't something that's guaranteed or terribly difficult to fake so wtv

flea the magician

- eh. kind of concerning that flea has spent most of faer time here discussing thing that are evidently not related to alignments of players at all. i don't count the hurt tags or the "vibe check are failing" because if you scumread me, vote me. hurt tags take more time to type than vote tags, so i'm assuming that's not a scumread. would kill this slot too, i guess.

kennyk

- still absolutely hate the poor attempts at shading us for the ascetic claim, but if i'm trying to be rational, i *can* see it coming from town because i know how it looks like when townies *think* they know mech but they really don't. i strongly disagree that kenny's conclusion was arrived at in a clearly townie manner or whatever but ok. 249 strikes me as not an awful post. the jury is still out, though.

mistyx

- i'm curious why you find enchant's vibes to be the best as of 153? otherwise, this slot feels... empty. there's no glaring red flags that make me scumread her but i also don't think anything she's done so far would be particularly hard to fake. uh, the vote on bugs and the silence that continued is a bit worrying, i guess? yeah, i don't have much.

rcenigma

- i'm confused why you backed off from kenny as quick as you did. otherwise, i'd say i'm slightly leaning towards town here? the kind-of-mech-but-not-really speculation on why koba is town feels sincere, and also unnecessary for rcenigma to make as scum (regardless if koba is his partner or not). there is one thing that's worrying me about this slot, but for now i think it would be better for me to wait and see how the day continues before i attempt to push at it.

the worst

- it did strike me as a bit weird that duckie thought i was still dead null in 257. objectively, do i think i have done anything ai up to that point? no, not really. but the impression i have of duck is that he can read my mind better than i can and that he would've been able to astrally divine some sort of alignment-information out of my posts there if town. idk if that makes sense but it makes sense in my head. curious why you voted bugspray in 273? (i know this seems like a trivial question, but bear with me.) and in the world where both me and koba are town, 380 worries me *a lot*, for the very simple reason that it seems like duck has spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't think koba is necessarily being scummy, to then turn around and go "they're not sincere!!!" in a way that implies they are scummy for not being sincere. like, either their insincerity is nai because it's just a thing they do, or it's scummy. can't have it both ways. i haven't really seen much town!indicative from duck (and this might be because i don't know what it is that duck could do that would be outside their scumrange) but etc etc hopefully i figure it out at some point.

taking questions from anyone not named koba.

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i'm kind of annoyed that is all you've had to say about my para on you, especially as i've had a direct question for you there, but whatever

why do you think mistyx is kinda townie?

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okay

anything behind the bugs vote that's more than "they not play"?

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flea seems to be playing in a way that seems *designed* to get on my nerves. which means this is probably town!flea. and in an attempt to avoid another yin-and-yang situation, i'm not gonna be commenting on literally every single thing fae has said. will say that "scumreading bugs for lowposting" is such a simplified version of my read it veers into being false, and a lot of "wow you don't have a lot of thoughts on this person but you still wrote words" is like, yeah, duh? i never claimed i did? the point was to start some productive discussion somewhere, not chug out a solve.

Do both heads agree on this reads list?
Do you often attempt to use abusive manipulation tactics to drown out a game and try and discredit someone?
Do you actually have any strong reads list?
Do you think you're going to survive N1?
Do you actually think you can do something other than make shitpushes on Koba?

nope, i did it without any input from ari. i have no clue where she stands.
not often.
nope, i would've said if i did.
if i live to n1, probably.
noting the loaded question, pointing at the wall i made in an effort to get something going that's not gonna involve screaming to koba.

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This feels markedly less opportunistic unless like, koba is town and pocketable into endgame? uncertain

with the possibility of falling flat on my ass for using a low sample size, this feels very much like town-flea

i think scum-flea's plan here would be to be opportunistic, but like, this "push" (if you can call it that) does not feel designed in a way that gets me closer to being yeeted (arguably, it does the opposite) and i think fae is smart enough to know that as scum soooooo

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"scumreading bugs for lowposting" is such a simplified version of my read it veers into being false

actually i will go a bit deeper into this

i have played with town!bugs in games that were shitfests. the first game i can come up with is that chain of command game that georgebailey modded where i got into a huge fight with noraa early. in that game, not only did bugs not refrain from posting, they were actively scolding me for being inflammatory. bugs and i are friends outside of game, and i don't think they'd hesitate to tell me when i'm being a pos. here, they're not doing that. now, i know one game is not proof of like, anything, but it's a starting point that i want to poke at. so the "wow you're scumreading someone for not posting in a toxic environment that you have created" is *technically* true, but there is way more nuance there than simply "this person lurk so they scum lol"

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The thing for me is the level of OVER explaination. It's not a thought process you have, it doesn't flow as one. It's a composed read explaination which is far more than is needed at this stage of the game.

mmm. that is just A Thing I Do. you can argue that my thoughts were pumped up for more than they're worth, and on a certain level, you would not be wrong. i don't have super strong reads right now. but i'm not trying to pretending to have them, that wasn't the point. i *could* go into a meta rant of how this is a thing i do, but i don't know if it would actually be helpful for you right now.

will ask ari to make a readslist when she can.

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are we still treating this as yelo or can i vote bugs now?

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VOTE: the worst


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I think it might just be enchant + tw.

I think Flea is going to shoot us tonight so thankfully I will not have to be alive to talk to Koba anymore.

Dats is a bit busy so I haven't really had a chance to talk things out with him.

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current VC:


bugspray (4): Mistyx, the worst, dkkoba, enchant(E-1)
the worst (1): Logic and Literature
Kennyk (1): RCEnigma


not voting (3): Kennyk, Flea the Magician, bugspray




Koba do you think Enchant is town?

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Bugspray was content sliding by this day, they only tried once there was a threat of elimination.

I want datisi to also read bugs and hear what he has to say - i think the worst slot is scum in all worlds so they arent paired imo

Dats is busy - he will be back by the weekend hopefully.

I think it makes sense for duckie's partner to hammer/vote bugs so if you're right about duck then partner should be in {misty, enchant, bugs} and I think enchant has the highest equity of the three.

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I'm around here rn:


town:

koba: turbo/aggressive town meta - Dats thinks they don't really need to try that hard in this pl. also if they're scum I doubt we can lim them so it is what it is.
flea: probably town because I don't think s!flea tunnels me this hard - Dats thinks this is just how town!flea treats him.
misty: liked her p1 claim, she's not like obvtown misty but it's p good - I liked that she didn't want to touch the LL/Koba shitfight with a ten foot pole and just did her thing.
RCE: I like how he wants to play mafia - like that they don't want to just shove bugs through, I don't get the sense that he's thread-avoiding. Probably belongs on a lower tier than the top three but I'm fine slotting here

Null:

Kenny: I've never played with this player - I think their thoughts feel somewhat ok if a bit mech focussed - I'm not sure if they are doing any voting etc so it's kind of ?? feels like he is just very careful - gets some townpoints for not voting bugs if bugs is town
Bugs: I don't see anything I feel leans AI one way or the other from Bugs.

Nullscum:

The Worst: I didn't like how he oscillated between my side and koba's side during our slap-fight - it felt like he was just kind of egging it on despite having taken every side possible and hoping one of us would kill the other and position himself to be better post fight(t/t, s/t, t/s)

Enchant: the voting feels very opportunistic to protect Duck!scum partner. I didn't like the "joke" roleclaim and then the "unclaim" - it kind of felt like he claimed something he wasn't supposed to and then he was like "oops nevermind!"

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Why would I do that?
Better yet how would I do that?

your question of "do you think you will survive night one?"

felt like you were telling me you would murder us at night.(I imagine it would be a vig or a delayed day-poison?)

You would do it because you think we are mafia.


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I cannot break the sus and it's so frustrating for both of us ngl.

It is not really frustrating for me - it is more or less expected atp.

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the default elimination if Koba gets their way is TW.

So with wagon at 4 on Bugspray, if TW's partner wants to save TW, then TW's partner should vote/hammer there and hope maybe wild things happen at night rather than Koba eventually swings back.

Since this didn't happen - it's most likely the partner is already on the wagon(I'm ruling out Koba, Duckie can't be his own partner, which leaves Misty/Enchant as possibilities)

There is also the possibility that Bugspray is the partner for Duckie and that's why there was no fifth vote.

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ok

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I have slight pangs of paranoia that the reason Titus is ok with anti-spewing directly is because her partner is located in a decent position.

However I don't think it's something we can deal with today.

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Me: has moved L/L slot up my PoE(still bottom 3) and am satisfied pushing Worst slot as the bottom of it
Everyone else: lets wagon the slot now

hehe

if I get flipped today you don't get to say you were right about me being town

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L&L do you just not care about getting wagoned or what

I think its fairly obvious I am town and if people chose to turn their brains off and elim me I do not really mind.

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I miss Dats


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Mystyx, L and L, Titus, Enchant is 50% scum for me then at the moment.

I am happy with this POE

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