I believe in you!In post 6, northsidegal wrote: hold on, i need to harness this psychic energy while it's still in my body
yes... yes, i see it....
the scumteam is keychain and delta
VOTE: Keychain
I believe in you!In post 6, northsidegal wrote: hold on, i need to harness this psychic energy while it's still in my body
yes... yes, i see it....
the scumteam is keychain and delta
Let's not and say we didn't!In post 17, Bingle wrote: So, I think I've come up with a way to break this setup.
We don't select a coalition D1, and when lilith goes to end the day she'll get confused by the fact that there is no instruction for when no coalition is formed and just reveal the scumteam.
Me too.
This feels off to me somehow, just how seriously are you taking NSG's posts?In post 29, Deltabreedy wrote: I can't read Northside's #25. I'm finding this bit about psychic whatevers a bit odd.
This is goodpostingIn post 34, Dunnstral wrote: I don't consider me putting somebody into the coalition to be me betting the game that they are town. I think being aggressive and pushing a coalition early based on gut feeling is more likely to be successful than dragging it on and allowing mafia to influence things. Also taking more time on day 1 when we have no info is not likely to be helpful to us.
I can't really explain why but this response to NSG's explanation feels town to me.In post 41, Keychain wrote: Oh damn your third eye is right, somehow I didn't connect the psychicness of you arriving early to your psychic reads and just assumed you were going to come in with psychic reads regardless, so that would indeed be an amazing coincidence. This all makes sense now, carry on
Bad vote, bad idea.In post 45, Deltabreedy wrote: UNVOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: Northsidegal
It's all a bit deliberately unhelpful, and in #39 it's not clear which way round the reads go.
I'd encourage people to remove Northside from their coalition vote, even if they disagree with the limvote.
I like this for town because it's pretty much where my head was on Delta right before reading it.In post 52, Keychain wrote: VOTE: Delta
Not that we're eliminating yet, but this read on north seems to be based more on her being difficult to understand than anything else which feels like someone scraping for a reason. If it was just the vote that would be fine since votes are basically symbolic right now, but also pushing to remove her from coalitions makes it seem like it's more serious.
It is, actually. What do you think of Delta's reply to it?In post 59, northsidegal wrote:this is a really bad postIn post 57, Bingle wrote:Why would it being a prepared post suggest a specific alignment? If anything, the point of a prepared post would be to make the post AI neutral regardless and it would defeat the point to change it based on the role you actually drew.In post 53, Deltabreedy wrote: it was a prepared post
In post 83, patchwork wrote: delta.... that's not what i'm saying?? im not sure how you're taking it that way. i feel like your vote on nsg feels like a stretch, and it's based on "not contributing" when they have in fact been taking part in discussion and the stupid psychic thing, when it's pretty normal to make jokes earlygame.
This is a pretty towny progression on patch's part, I think.In post 84, patchwork wrote: anyways policy tr for delta i'll probably revoke this later but he's just been generally towny so i might not
Arguing a bunch with Delta and saying his arguments against NSG make no sense, and then saying he's town. It seems like Patch is just giving their thoughts instead of trying to push some specific position or idea.In post 92, Keychain wrote:What progression?In post 85, Umlaut wrote:In post 83, patchwork wrote: delta.... that's not what i'm saying?? im not sure how you're taking it that way. i feel like your vote on nsg feels like a stretch, and it's based on "not contributing" when they have in fact been taking part in discussion and the stupid psychic thing, when it's pretty normal to make jokes earlygame.This is a pretty towny progression on patch's part, I think.In post 84, patchwork wrote: anyways policy tr for delta i'll probably revoke this later but he's just been generally towny so i might not
↑ replying to thisIn post 99, Keychain wrote:I guess I don't find this particularly AI personally - it could also be that Delta is one of the players patch is familiar with here so it's easier to engage with him over his arguments but separately from whatever read they end up with.In post 93, Umlaut wrote: Arguing a bunch with Delta and saying his arguments against NSG make no sense, and then saying he's town. It seems like Patch is just giving their thoughts instead of trying to push some specific position or idea.
Wouldn't a better solution to this as town be for them to just make more contributions, rather than opening with the assumption they won't be townread?In post 105, Dunnstral wrote: I think that they don't think that other people will agree to put them into the coalition for their contributions so far, and simply put in who they thought was town - and I agree with their thoughts on who is town
Believe it or not, you get used to it.In post 222, Deltabreedy wrote: If I have to do a riddle every time they make a point or cast a vote, then I'm going to policy lim them purely for being unreadable. I can't scumhunt with this utterly opaque anti-town shitposting in my face.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
Why is this? Either way he got the PM and dismissed it.In post 252, northsidegal wrote:to angleshoot this a little bit, assuming that NM is telling the truth about just randomly remembering, i imagine that if he had posted in the mafia PT before the game started he probably would have realized the game had started earlier. something to think about. (hopefully site rules haven't been updated to the point where i can't say this)
also, congrats on passing keychain!
This sort of seems like you're assuming Keychain sees the game the same way you do. I tend to agree with her that directly arguing I'm town is typically a waste of time.In post 265, northsidegal wrote:i have serious doubts that this would be your true opinion / behavior if you were town.In post 262, Keychain wrote: why would I address it? I think you generally have good reads. If you're town I think you'll probably correct yourself over time without me needing to try and convince you. If you're scum you're scum. what else is there to say except it would be hilarious if you were town and eliminated me D1? That's what I've mostly been thinking about your read which isn't game productivemaybein another setup where there was just a d1 elimination and you assumed that i wouldn't push super hard for you to be it, sure. but in this setup particularly, if you are town, it is actually fairly important for other townies to recognize as such. i do not think that this is a fact which escapes you. i even went so far as to say that "i will never be okay with a coalition passing which includes keychain".
maybe i just have some complex, but if someone said that about me, i would at leastask themabout it. it seems like the kind of thing that at least needs to be addressed, because iknow for a factthat i'm town, and someone that i know being town being included in the coalition makes the game a lot easier for me. what i wouldn't do is just do nothing, expecting them to eventually change their mind. iespeciallywouldn't do that if i had a large amount of faith in their reads. if that were the case, i think that i would be even more likely to say something, because someone who should be getting something right is making a mistake.
First okay post from KawaiiIn post 269, KawaiiKame wrote:I'm getting this flow of consciousness feel with you which is why I'm town reading you I feelIn post 267, Keychain wrote: - the most obvious point to me that I'm posting off the cuff far more than I'd normally be comfortable with in a game with players I'm familiar with
Yeah, I guess you're right. Could be possible he didn't bother to post in it or something, but worth thinking about though I agree it's kind of angleshooty.In post 318, northsidegal wrote:most players use their egosearch when navigating the site. NM says that he was busy when he got theday startPM, and then from there forgot about the game. assuming he were scum, i would imagine that he would have already have posted in the mafia PT, and thus he wouldn't have gone on to forget about the game, because i imagine that there would be some activity in the mafia PT that would catch his attention and remind him of the game. on the other hand, if he were town and didn't have any PT ego'd, there would be nothing like that to remind him of the game.
Where are you on Bingle right now?In post 327, Keychain wrote: Umlaut I desperately want you to be town since you're in sync with my thoughts on everything except bingle but that also makes it so hard to read you
A lot of them are that, but Bingle is also the top poster in the game. If you take away the kind of content you're talking about, what's left is still pretty good I think. I found 57, 124, 139 for example to be good while also being about forming reads and advancing the game. I also think the read on Kame in 154, while I disagree with it, is not the sort of thing scum makes up (unless the team is exactly Bingle/KK maybe, but on balance still towny), and the questioning me for clarification in 226 just felt... like a real question, which I suppose it could be but I feel like scum wouldn't care so much to ask as long as I'm townreading them on net.In post 352, Keychain wrote:Leaning scum - I feel like he has good posts but what feels like most of them are generic helpfulness/coaching and setup discussion, I associate too much of that with scumIn post 349, Umlaut wrote:Where are you on Bingle right now?
Noticed while reviewing that this was never answered.In post 69, Umlaut wrote:NSG, what is it that you find bad about 57? The problem I thought I saw with it isn't actually there.
I don't know how to argue it to anyone else because a lot of it is just the number of times I've been nodding along with what she says in this game thinking "Yes, that's right." If you haven't had the same experience with her then I don't know if I can get you to read her the same way. Examples:
This post came at exactly the point in the thread where I was thinking the same thing about Delta for pretty much exactly the same reasons.In post 52, Keychain wrote: VOTE: Delta
Not that we're eliminating yet, but this read on north seems to be based more on her being difficult to understand than anything else which feels like someone scraping for a reason. If it was just the vote that would be fine since votes are basically symbolic right now, but also pushing to remove her from coalitions makes it seem like it's more serious.
Also hi patch! I like your flag, though I haven't seen that specific one before and had to look it up.
Same read on Kame for same reasons, at a point where this was not really a consensus read.In post 104, Keychain wrote: I'm also a bit concerned that you don't like some of my posts! How are you reading KawaiiKame's posts differently? In looking through their completed games I didn't see any scum rolls, so their pop in behaviour seems pretty consistent with newscum "oh no I don't know how to pretend to be engaged". Unless I'm mistaken about their experience level, in which case someone feel free to correct me.
This is one of my own favorite tells and is responding to the same post that started making me reconsider Delta.In post 128, Keychain wrote:big fan of this response feels like a very town thing to be concerned about, not sure scum would immediately identify that as an issue. plus generally agreeing with the Bingle analysis on Delta there HEAL: DeltabreedyIn post 126, Deltabreedy wrote: I think it's NAI, but dropping the 'Newbtown' as a qualified when discussing my play will only serve to delegitimise reads and arguments that I develop further down the line. I'd appreciate you recanting and reconsidering the wording.
Maybe self-centered of me but I think this immediate backing down reflects Keychain really thinking about my slot instead of looking for a reason to push me. I think my response was something that could just as easily be framed either way and I don't think Keychain had any real scum motive to back down like that.In post 235, Keychain wrote:Yeah that's fair, I didn't really take the time to check how long it had been and think about timezones etc before making that comment so it was definitely based entirely on my feeling.In post 223, Umlaut wrote: (I get it but it's annoying to take one night off Mafia and see people react this way)
In post 390, Keychain wrote:best buds 4 life unless you're scum in which case... pocketed 4 life. but also N_M over BingleIn post 384, Umlaut wrote: Like I know I should probably be doing something better than just sitting on my heals but I think NSG/Keychain/Eira are all obvtown and Bingle is, if not obvtown, the best candidate we have.
Bingle's latests posts going through feasible scumteams exhaustively (from their point of view) doesn't strike you as a towny level of effort?In post 398, Keychain wrote:I agree he has good posts though I'm not sure they outweigh the fluff that feels more empty to me - people naturally have different posting rates, it's more of a percentage thing, and by percentage I mean how much I feel like it's one or the other because I haven't counted. 226 is certainly one of those good posts. 57 is one of the posts I was thinking of more as generic helpfulness with not much personal opinion though.
Bingle is who I'm most willing to compromise on.In post 404, Eiralox wrote: How badly do you think Bingle needs to be in a coalition Umlaut?
Tbh Bingle is changing my mind on N_M, I may be willing to coalition them after all.In post 444, Keychain wrote: Too short on time to think about this game in depth tonight but later on definitely want to think about Bingle's patchwork read, and also why Umlaut and Bingle's respective familiarity with N_M led them to opposite conclusions on his towniness
I actually think this coalition has a good chance of winning because everyone on it looks pretty town to me, and I have no idea what I will do next if it fails. What do you mean sharpening teeth for the elim?In post 545, Eiralox wrote:I don't like how Bingle and Umlaut have been acting. The sudden N_M heal? Bingle EXCLUDING THEMSELF over N_M, Umlaut doing the same?
This rush Umlaut suddenly has for this spesific coalition after Bingle has it?
Both of them reek like having foreknowledge that this coalition fails. Especialy Umlaut, already sharpening teeth for the elim.
And now that nsg is on board, with the pivot on trusting umlaut and keychain......
Okay, sure, so what thoughts do you actually have on that matter? How would you change it to take advantage of that?In post 591, Dunnstral wrote:468In post 549, Umlaut wrote: I actually think this coalition has a good chance of winning because everyone on it looks pretty town to me, and I have no idea what I will do next if it fails.
But you want to coalition them?In post 592, Dunnstral wrote:Gonna say I'm leaning mafia on KawaiiKame too
Honestly this is just such an absurd suggestion that I can't decide if scum!Dunnstral is quite this blatant, but maybe they are when they're a hammer away from insta-losingIn post 597, Dunnstral wrote: Here is my proposal: We all unvote the current coalition and do the opposite of where we are headed right now.
Not_Mafia, patchwork, Dunnstral, Bingle, KawaiiKame coalition. Exclude Eiralox, northsidegal, Keychain. Umlaut.
Is this statement ("it's very optimistic to assume we'll win the game on this") about this coalition in particular or about any coalition at all?In post 620, Keychain wrote: Happy scumday Dunn! if you're town just hammer the coalition mate, coalition failing does not mean town loss so there is no need to pull out the galaxy brain moves here which leave us in the shit if they fail
and even if your flipping idea gave us a perfect coalition somehow while excluding Eira, you're not going to get enough support for it in time because scum obvs won't vote for it and so you'll need to convince 4 full townies to agree with you asap. And for the info produced by a failing coalition (since I still think it's very optimistic to assume we'll win the game on this) I'd rather know there's scum amongst relatively active+widely townread players who are also in the NK pool than the inverse.
Why not / why can't you do both?In post 643, Not_Mafia wrote: It isn't me, if I were scum I wouldn't have bothered trying to get myself into the coalition, I would have boosted my partner
The argument is just that they're the one I was least confident in in the first place.In post 644, Dunnstral wrote: I think that's a bad argument against it being you. But also I'm not seeing much argument for it being you in the first place either.
HmmmmIn post 648, patchwork wrote: don't have time to reread because i've gotten a lot more busy recently so i'm just going to hammer itHURT: patchwork, northsidegal, eiralox, not_mafia HEAL: keychain, northsidegal, eiralox, umlaut, not_mafia
While reviewing NSG I was reminded of this which I had kind of forgotten and honestly I think it's pretty compelling. Took a look at a few of N_M's recent games to see if it pans out.In post 252, northsidegal wrote:to angleshoot this a little bit, assuming that NM is telling the truth about just randomly remembering, i imagine that if he had posted in the mafia PT before the game started he probably would have realized the game had started earlier. something to think about. (hopefully site rules haven't been updated to the point where i can't say this)
I really doubt anyone in coalition gets resolved by mafia if there is any doubt they're town. Join me on NSG?In post 640, Keychain wrote: Her vanishing second half of the day is pointing more to scum (though I'm sure she's improved from the days where she used to hard lurk as scum), but if she's alive and town D2 she probably benefits town a lot. So there's a decent chance she gets resolved overnight by mafia fearing her since all players in the coalition (except potentially N_M?) would probably have reason to, so I'd rather not waste the elimination on her. Is the expanded version of that stance.
I mean yes if NSG flips green I am most definitely going to want to yeet you tomorrow, I pretty much said that already in 667.In post 670, Keychain wrote: Umlaut I have this awful feeling you're going to stab me in the back at some point but sure, I don't have a better plan VOTE: northsidegal
Are you going to make a vote?