Micro 1078: Datisi's micro normals are back [game over]

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hi

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i am half zoomer who should i dont no if that means i should vote for vp baltar or not

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VOTE: vp baltar

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warning i am bad at this game

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vote count 1.01

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-05 22:00:16).

yeet

osuka [3]:

hellbooks, Skygazer, Ausuka

Ausuka [2]:

osuka, fireisredsir

Skygazer [1]:

hellbooks

skitter30 [1]:

Meuh

not voting [2]:

skitter30, VP Baltar

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hellbooks cloned herself and i dont exist :0

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hey, VP Baltar. am i zoomer nonsense or not?

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im curious why

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hey, VP Baltar. am i zoomer nonsense or not?

Vote baltar -> you are zoomer nonsense
Do not -> you are not

i voted baltar and i was deemed not THERFORE; you are wrong and must be lying mafia.
VOTE: hellbook

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I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

i dont like this ausuka post but i like my baltar vote as well

Why are you voting me again?

why me fry me am i right

aaaaaa!

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i lean town on fire

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Also no, i don't think she was *afraid* of the wagon at all, but this post had a lot of anxious vibes and that's ehat pinged - i don't think town would be anxious, and that was a strange clause at the end ...

what is the difference between being afraid of the wagon and being anxious?

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why does everyone think that post is towny?

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VOTE: skitter

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@skitter: what didn't you like about 102?

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id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

Like, on the one hand, this is kind of a BS reason from fire...the reason it is BS being that fire has a mediocre track record of reading me correctly and I've kind of barely done anything this game yet.

Osuka jumps in and attacks its vagueryness...which is not only the wrong reason to dislike that fire post, it's worth about as much as the poop he wants to put in my pants (not much). Fire can be vague, but the "oh I have a VP read from nothing" is the actual sus part.

But if Fire knows they aren't particularly good at reading you, wouldn't it then make more sense for them to be reserved on their feeling on you? Isn't it natural for them to decide to wait for something more substantive before outing the read completely,

because

of this track record?

that wasn't the reason fire gave for holding it back.

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i agree

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id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

Like, on the one hand, this is kind of a BS reason from fire...the reason it is BS being that fire has a mediocre track record of reading me correctly and I've kind of barely done anything this game yet.

Osuka jumps in and attacks its vagueryness...which is not only the wrong reason to dislike that fire post, it's worth about as much as the poop he wants to put in my pants (not much). Fire can be vague, but the "oh I have a VP read from nothing" is the actual sus part.

But if Fire knows they aren't particularly good at reading you, wouldn't it then make more sense for them to be reserved on their feeling on you? Isn't it natural for them to decide to wait for something more substantive before outing the read completely,

because

of this track record?

that wasn't the reason fire gave for holding it back.

Hmm?
I mean the justification Fire gave is wanting a larger sample size (I think interpreting this as wanting something more substantive is fair?) to see if a pattern held up. Or are you saying that Fire not wanting to out the read because of their track record was not reasoning given? Which like yeah it wasn't, but I don't have a hard time believing that it could still be a factor.

Fire gets thoughts on Baltar -> Fire gets a bit of doubt about it because of past record (either consciously or more of a subtle doubt because of those past games) -> Fire decides to be careful with their reads and wants an extra set of posts to get a stronger feeling

Is not an unlikely chain of events to me and I don't think Fire having doubts on their ability to read Baltar will be inherently voiced.

alright. that's fair

why does everyone think that post is towny?

I don't think think a particular post from hellbrooks is towny per se (though I'm sure I could dig in and better understand my own feeling here.) I think what's townie from brooks is the free wheeling vibe. There is a transparency of to her posting that reads to me like clearly saying things off the top of your head, which is a quality I generally associate with being town because you aren't afraid to say the wrong thing. Admittedly, I think brooks is cool and I'm susceptible to being too easily charmed by friendlies.

ha! yeah. i do agree i think about the broader posting. and also about the possibility of being charmed.

Spoiler:

actually yk i think maybe it is meaningful

VOTE: skitter

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i think it's meaningful because i think it's a stretch for you to believe this specifically:

There's a little too much of a real 'don't wagon me!!!!' vibe to this post that i don't like

i think its v plausible that the post would ping you. i think that you'd recognize it as a potentially ping-y post as either alignment bc you're able to do that. but i think the way you talked about it feels like making it into a bigger deal than it is and overjustifying

if you had just said "this post pings me because it feels a little anxious", yeah sure i can agree. but adding on the bit about her being afraid of a real wagon is like... really? you think ausuka would really be that afraid of an rvs wagon in like post 6?

so my thought process on seeing it was thinking that a world where you knew the post was ping-y but maybe didn't quite know why and still decided to come up with something to connect point a and b felt more like something you'd do as scum than something you'd do as town

maybe this is dumb and just a case of you seeing something different in the post than i do and me arrogantly thinking my read on it is the more reasonable one and so therefore you're more likely to be scum

but also scum skitter misreads tone in jokey posts etc etc

idk its not that significant of a read but it was like the first real thing i noticed and i was feeling it in the moment

I was p clear that it was vibes, but i was asked for elaboration twice, so i attempted to articulate what was bothering me. I do think thay in the process of writing it out i figured out what was pinging me, and that may have been why it sounded overexplained. I'm trying to pay more attention to these things (it worked really well in the thing mafia ...m)

Also no, i don't think she was *afraid* of the wagon at all, but this post had a lot of anxious vibes and that's ehat pinged - i don't think town would be anxious, and that was a strange clause at the end ...

I don't really like your vote on me tbh, it feels like a stretch. I'm aware that you admitted it was a stretch

Also i think ausuka's reaction is kinda icky regardless

VOTE: Skitter
The culmination of all of these takes feels just very meh, I'm moreso getting "this is the logical assumptions to take from what's been posted" than real feelings on the game.

yep.

I don't understand what you're talking about

You're saying there is a difference, and I asked to elaboratable that point because i dont understand how anyone could read the post i quoted differently ... and well here we are.

Who said anything about 'regardless of alignment'? If you roll scum, against a player you just played scum with, is it really so ridiculous to think maybe you would try and see if you could use that to your advantage at some point?

You said star was "planning" to use it against you. I guess it just feels a bit like circular logic to me. I asked regardless of alignment because the alignment is actually a really important thing to consider when weighing a person's criticisms against you, but you seem to be working from a start and end point of star!scum.

hypothetical scenario

~Micro 1078 Mafia Private Topic~

skygazer:

omg wow i'm scum i love being scum

meuh:

Hi I am Meuh

meuh:

this will be fun do you have any thoughts on the playerlist?

skygazer:

um sure! hellbooks is like my bestie. and uh i just finished a game with ausuka where we were scumbuddies

meuh:

uwu wow that's cool anything we can use?

skygazer:

well in the mafia pt ausuka seemed frustrated at getting scumread for bad reasons. so if she gets pushed i can use that maybe

meuh:

Wow skygazer ur so smart I wanna be like you when I grow up

(Also i'm pretty sure i already said that i thought the accusation by skygazer fit unnaturally which is why i didn't think it was town but okay)

but like, why wouldn't this be something she wouldn't have in her head if she were town as well?

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i lightly want to townread meuh

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hmm. it doesnt seem particularly forced to me. is that elaboratable?

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oh! good luck! see ya later

p-edit: responding to hb

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I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

hold on, is this the post people are saying is ausuka being scummy for overreacting to being scumread? because here she was being prompted to characterize the discussion around her. and saying she doesn't know how to respond to it. doesn't feel like she's reacting strongly to it. its more passive.

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Also no, i don't think she was *afraid* of the wagon at all, but this post had a lot of anxious vibes and that's ehat pinged - i don't think town would be anxious, and that was a strange clause at the end ...

what is the difference between being afraid of the wagon and being anxious?

Afraid is a more extreme word. I think a person can be anxious (i.e. have some negative emotion abt it) withoht getting to the level of being afraid

ok well then why would she be anxious about it?

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VOTE: skitter

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i don't like the reads you've been making. they dont follow natural for me.

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@skitter: what didn't you like about 102?

Had a similar thought as me as ausuka but somehow ending with me being scummy

looks to me like their thought was a different thought from yours. just about the same post

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VOTE: skitter

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i don't like the reads you've been making. they dont follow natural for me.

i'll try to provide an overall summary later.

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id like to say that i have a good impression of how vp baltar has engaged with ausuka

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Spoiler:

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

The post i made was like maybe somewhat defensive but the idea that I wouldn't say something like that as town is pretty ???

I also think when you said I was great at town, you didn't really believe that and were saying it because it was conducive to a d1 push on me, and that's backed up by you seeming to have like no idea about my town game and admitting as such.

So you think sky came into this game planning to push you? Not sure how else to understanf the first paragraph

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

The post i made was like maybe somewhat defensive but the idea that I wouldn't say something like that as town is pretty ???

I also think when you said I was great at town, you didn't really believe that and were saying it because it was conducive to a d1 push on me, and that's backed up by you seeming to have like no idea about my town game and admitting as such.

So you think sky came into this game planning to push you? Not sure how else to understanf the first paragraph

thats how i took it ya which is weird to me bc i think the last thing i'd wanna do as scum is get into a 1v1 with town ausuka

i think there's a p strong difference between me remembering you have a really strong town game and me not remembering what your town meta is like

I think after coming back and seeing that after three years of neither of us playing on this site, my scum game is incredibly different to how it used to be, town skygazer probably interacts with my meta very differently to what you have done

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

The post i made was like maybe somewhat defensive but the idea that I wouldn't say something like that as town is pretty ???

I also think when you said I was great at town, you didn't really believe that and were saying it because it was conducive to a d1 push on me, and that's backed up by you seeming to have like no idea about my town game and admitting as such.

So you think sky came into this game planning to push you? Not sure how else to understanf the first paragraph

I think that if you come into a game having just been scum with someone, and then you roll scum against them, I think it's very plausible you have ideas of how to use that against them?

Ausuka, why do you think sky in particular would come after you?

I feel like words are being put in my mouth here? Is it really that unusual to have ideas of how you might push people you have some history with if you roll scum against them?

Ausuka, why do you think sky in particular would come after you?

I feel like words are being put in my mouth here? Is it really that unusual to have ideas of how you might push people you have some history with if you roll scum against them?

You're the one who essentially said "I think you came into this game with this attack planned." I'm putting zero words into your mouth.

No, there is a difference between coming onto the game with an intention to specifically target a player, and having ideas of things you might used against them based on your history together.

No, there is a difference between coming onto the game with an intention to specifically target a player, and having ideas of things you might used against them based on your history together.

Why would you have a bag of tactics to use against a player if it wasn't pre-planned? Is that how you play as town, with strats to manage different players you have a history with, regardless of their alignment?

I'm confused

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

How else should a person read this?

Pedit: hrm

I don't understand what you're talking about

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

The post i made was like maybe somewhat defensive but the idea that I wouldn't say something like that as town is pretty ???

I also think when you said I was great at town, you didn't really believe that and were saying it because it was conducive to a d1 push on me, and that's backed up by you seeming to have like no idea about my town game and admitting as such.

So you think sky came into this game planning to push you? Not sure how else to understanf the first paragraph

I think that if you come into a game having just been scum with someone, and then you roll scum against them, I think it's very plausible you have ideas of how to use that against them?

Well, how convinced are you that sky is scum here?

I don't understand what you're talking about

>.>

OOOOOOOOOF this string of posts
Skitter sitting on the sidelines and just casting shade and nudging Ausuka towards the Sky scumread is definitely concerning to me (confirmation bias? who's that?). Asking Ausuka how convinced she is of Sky being scum both serves a purpose for scum and is a really odd question for town? I don't really see the thought process that leads you to believe that's a particularly relevant question.Also I just think Ausuka's town. The logic she's using here is slightly iffy but I can 100% see a townie and more specifically town!Ausuka make the conclusions being made here.
I dislike Baltar's towards Ausuka up to these posts in general. Stuff like 124 feels more like picking at things that are slightly illogical than genuine curiosity at Ausuka's alignment, but picking at those things, if I recall correctly, is what Baltar tends to do. However, I still feel like the dance game and Ausuka being town there would be seeping in the way he engages with her, which I know has been the case for myself and Fire has also mentioned it. Feeling kinda meh here

- How am i sittijg on the sidelines? I started the ausuka push?

- Where am i nudging ausuka towards townreading sky?

- i asked ausuka abt her sky read b/c her statement abt 'sky was planning to read me this way' only makes sense if she was accusing sky as being scum, and she didnt seem to convinced oc that read yet, so there was a disconnect there that i was trying to understakd. And even so that approach doesnt make sense ...

- town!ausuka is a *very* interestkng take and i'd loke to hear a lot more abt it, in particular in relation to how she's expecting sky to read her. Can yoy talk more abt this?

Tbh a lot of this is kinda ~words~ that doesnt align with the content of my push so uh i'd like you to elaborate more please

this meuh post did feel like more of a stretch to me than others

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I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

hold on, is this the post people are saying is ausuka being scummy for overreacting to being scumread? because here she was being prompted to characterize the discussion around her. and saying she doesn't know how to respond to it. doesn't feel like she's reacting strongly to it. its more passive.

I mean it's reductive and doesnt describe what was actually happening

which part of it is like that? is it the word awkward instead of anxious? the second line is pretty much exactly what osuka said.

Also no, i don't think she was *afraid* of the wagon at all, but this post had a lot of anxious vibes and that's ehat pinged - i don't think town would be anxious, and that was a strange clause at the end ...

what is the difference between being afraid of the wagon and being anxious?

Afraid is a more extreme word. I think a person can be anxious (i.e. have some negative emotion abt it) withoht getting to the level of being afraid

ok well then why would she be anxious about it?

Well scum don't like being wagoned, i don't think town care as mich

but like, an early rvs wagon with no actual justification doesn't mean much. when im scum, i actually kind of like having an rvs wagon on me. its fun. i dont know if ausuka feels like that, but i don't think she would be very bothered by it.

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VOTE: skitter

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i don't like the reads you've been making. they dont follow natural for me.

i'll try to provide an overall summary later.

ok, so:

i think skitter is scummy because while her reads are reasonablish, they lack a little something more that i think is supposed to be there for town skitter (i think? its been a long time since i played).

the read on ausuka starts as a stretch, which ok fine its early game just coming out of rvs, but while she does add some more to the read about her responses to pressure. it feels rather static somehow. most importantly, her posts dont really show a towny mind at work behind them. i don't see evidence that she's really evaluating things. more that she's just decided 'i will make this read now'.

the read on fire just feels so empty and lifeless to me. like in this post:

@skitter: what didn't you like about 102?

Had a similar thought as me as ausuka but somehow ending with me being scummy

she doesnt engage with any of the nuance in fire's post. i see zero evidence that she actually cares about sorting fire.

i would say shes at her closest to towny when interrogating ausuka about her read on skygazer, but its not enough for me.

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sorry sorry. i just got embarrassed. like i know skitter is one of those Great Players and maybe shes like reading that and being like wtf are you saying lol do you even play this game more than once a year

i feel this every time i post..

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what if we all just took a deep breath and a step back and then wagoned meuh
meuh, are you ok withthat ? just lmk

My preferred lim pool right now is actually [fire, ausuka, meuh]

why fire? is it just the townread on you or more?

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I kinda think fire might be town, i got kinda bad vibes from ausuka and maybe sky

I changed my mind on fire, i think he's kinda sus now
Vpb might be town

this is an odd post. why the 180? is it because a bunch of people said so?

this is an odd post

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baltar is a question mark and so is skitter

what kinda question marks? can i conclude from this that people you didn't mention are not question marks?

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I kinda think fire might be town, i got kinda bad vibes from ausuka and maybe sky

I changed my mind on fire, i think he's kinda sus now
Vpb might be town

this is an odd post. why the 180? is it because a bunch of people said so?

this is an odd post

having read osuka's iso, maybe less so

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baltar is a question mark and so is skitter

what kinda question marks? can i conclude from this that people you didn't mention are not question marks?

o, ausuka already questioned this. well i will question it as well for emphasis !!

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284 says almost nothing

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lol

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question: how do you go from

osuka's take on Fire's posts around the time he made them line up a lot with my feelings which is nice
Leaning town there

to

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

without me posting like zero content during that time?

Honestly forgot about what you said there
Regardless, when I took at look at the collective ISO of you/Skitter/VPB/Hellbooks, you fit within the group quite nicely and I found that to be pretty meaningful

the group? there's not gonna be four scum.

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i want 2 vote meuh but i havent looked at her yet

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baltar's probably scum lol

y

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I kinda think fire might be town, i got kinda bad vibes from ausuka and maybe sky

I changed my mind on fire, i think he's kinda sus now
Vpb might be town

this is an odd post. why the 180? is it because a bunch of people said so?

this is an odd post

having read osuka's iso, maybe less so

please expound

well, you had said some stuff about fire before that and so it made sense you would see skitter as maybe following the trend

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he finds a perverse enjoyment in saying just blatantly completely wrong things when he's scum and then laughing as people trip over themselves thinking that scum would never

where does it look like he's doing that in this game?

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i've found baltar's posting to be a little town. he looks like he's trying to pick apart the puzzle of the game. now, he might just be trying to project that image, but so far its all felt natural enough

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he finds a perverse enjoyment in saying just blatantly completely wrong things when he's scum and then laughing as people trip over themselves thinking that scum would never

where does it look like he's doing that in this game?

that was a follow up point to the thing about him saying he was townie this game

i can picture him laughing as he types that

oh hmm. but, i do think he's been towny idk

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What
“The group” is a scumpool
Not a whole mafia team

i know, but like, why would all four of them fit together? why is a scumpool something that makes sense as a group that someone would fit into.

These posts alone make me wanna lim Tris

wow really? why's that?

This sequence is v +town for tris

what were you thinking of me before this.

some of the early posting i think also felt plausibly like coming from a scum angle as a (whats that word ffery likes. gestalt? idr. maybe thats right) i think but i don't remember why exactly but that kind of put you in my mental bucket of "be careful here" to start off

i had similar thought! my vote on her was actually secretly a tiny bit serious, but then i changed my mind.

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i read things but im super tired im continuing to like fire a lot. other than that, my brain doesnt work right now. see you all later

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fire, who should i try reading

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i think meuh should wall post at tris more honestly shes been coasting

ive hit a motivation slump

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fire, who should i try reading

ill take suggestion from anyone,

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hi every1! im here to play some mafia!

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uhhhh VOTE: baltar

still lookin for that brain cell

is this elaboratable?

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skygazer's shift off of ausuka feels towny to me (but what if they are both mafia? :0

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i need to make sense of meuh and osuka i think

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my problem is that im lazy and dont wanna read and think

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people who im probably not voting today: vp baltar, fire, sky.
now, what do i think of: skitter, meuh, ausuka, osuka, hellbooks? is the question

i have no idea if i still scumread skitter. :/
ausuka is super null for me

my lazy brain wants me to sheep fire onto osuka, but i feel i shouldnt do that without actually taking another look at osuka, but then i get anxiety about the reading process, but i should just do it, ok i will. :)

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cant remember why i was scumreading baltar tbh

:c

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like, no idea at all?

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i want to scumread osuka, but for reasons that are probably not valid. i just don't like reading his posts

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@meuh in 634 you kinda sound like your justifying an osuka vote to urself

Probably since a good chunk of that post are things I noticed when writing it and not beliefs I held coming into it, so it was more just writing down my thought process there than anything else

>.>

whats wrong with that

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and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

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i want to scumread osuka, but for reasons that are probably not valid. i just don't like reading his posts

Is this elaboratable

idk i dont really feel like expounding upon something that is ultimately me not vibing with someones playstyle. i dont think its alignment indicative

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Honestly skimming osuka's iso i'm not sure why i find him scummy other than vibes

yeah this

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Tris why are u voting me btw

i cant figure out who to vote,

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what is the reason for the hellbrooks wagon?

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possibly for the first time in this game, i wholeheartedly agree with ausuka here

whats your read on her?

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i will need to revisit my thoughts on skitter but that needs to be a day 2 thing i think?

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VOTE: hell b.

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possibly for the first time in this game, i wholeheartedly agree with ausuka here

Also i thinj this is townie

hmm, i thought that too

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im starting to try to townread to many people

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and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

cuz of my baltarfire spicy solve uh oh... meuhs not gonna like that i said that... But in reality it just didnt sit right w me idk, like you were picking all the ppl who seemed to me potentially poised to deepwolf (back at it again with my baltar wagon denialism)

wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

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what are you confused about

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lol and lmao, UNVOTE:

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actully, tho, can i get an answer to my query please thank verymuch

and i just dont like her pool of townreads at all tbh.

whys that

cuz of my baltarfire spicy solve uh oh... meuhs not gonna like that i said that... But in reality it just didnt sit right w me idk, like you were picking all the ppl who seemed to me potentially poised to deepwolf (back at it again with my baltar wagon denialism)

wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

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im asking hellbewks, tho feel free

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wouldn't that be an innocent town me getting fooled? why is that scummy?

just didnt rly like that you werent worried about any of them ig
maybe you are though just secretly

i don't know why i would be worried about them. its just some townreads i have. and i can reevaluate later if i need to.

[tris]

and actually why are those the people posed to deepwolf? both fire and baltar have people who are suspecting them

[tris]

*poised

[tris]

i actually am worried that i cant seem to scumread people very well right now tho

[tris]

which is actually different from how i was when i made that post.

[tris]

nice try. if i do that, you quickly retract your hand, and pull a level hidden behind you, and a trapdoor will open beneath my feat

[tris]

lever!

[tris]

after 8 years on this app i still have functionally no understanding of what actually makes people scum

yeah

[tris]

Bloop

VOTE: tris

I went back to look at some other tris games and like they were similar in terms of she doesn't post a lot but in those games she focuses her energy when she does post on like... Pushing people and prodding and poking around in a more towny way. Here I don't think there's any of that; she mostly doesn't vote, afaik she isn't voting hellbooks for any specific reason and she twice made comments about like, "wanting" to push people but not actually doing it.

Sorry tris

how does this game compare to my scum games

[tris]

i will be here this evening to figure out where i wanna vote

[tris]

i kinda wanna do this VOTE: skygazer

[tris]

@datisi

i will be semi v/la friday through monday

[tris]

As an AI language model, I do not have access to real-time information or the ability to browse the internet. However, here is a potential rebuttal to a user named "tris" voting for you in a game of forum mafia.

"Hey! Please stop voting me! I am aligned with the town and should not be voted for if the town wants to eliminate all of the threats to the town, which is a typical win condition in a game of mafia."

ok UNVOTE: skygazer
VOTE: skygazer

[tris]

honestly, everyone in this thread has great avatars

[tris]

uhhh there was something else i had on my brain to talk about besides baltar and i dont remember what it was

one was to say that the main reason i don't scumread skygazer was the consistency of the push on baltar and at the time i was pretty convinced baltar was scum. if he isn't then i don't really have any reason to townread skygazer and probably would scumread them

i think there was one more thing tho

a push which she never gave any reason for and then dropped.

[tris]

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason tris

why now ?

[tris]

i think its because you wrote 'i am scum' in your reads list

[tris]

UNVOTE: i looked at your iso and was reminded why i am townreadeing you

[tris]

VOTE: osuka

im dealing with some tooth pain making it harder for me to think rn

[tris]

not a fan of the other wagons i think

[tris]

sorry about the tooth pain

thank u

[tris]

uhhh actually tris too bc i feel like i see more unvotes from scum but thats literally the only reason i have

this game is unusually unvoty for me

[tris]

im aware we're supposed to be consolidating but

VOTE: skygazer

omg, i dont wanna vote sky anymore :c

[tris]

the way they went after ausuka but then wavered on that felt town to me.

[tris]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

but, like you weren't on the line when you made the switch.

[tris]

im just confused why you think it's opportunistic to vote you specifically

would you have said the same if the vote was on another wagon?

i think her vote on you was less momentum-following than other possible votes which to me doesn't seem particularly opportunistic

what i said applies to any slot pushing an alternative wagon

if im scum acting opportunistically, one of these other wagons must be on town, so i could join one of them

[tris]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

explain how that was you exposing yourself

[tris]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

explain how that was you exposing yourself

am i not exposed?

im talking about when you made the post you claim exposed you. the current state of things is irrelevant

[tris]

okay let's take a step back here

why are you voting me then? because i'm not offering insanely hot takes?

tbh, it was mostly because i didnt want to vote for the other wagons

but, now i dont like ur reaction lol

[tris]

what game was that

[tris]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

explain how that was you exposing yourself

am i not exposed?

im talking about when you made the post you claim exposed you. the current state of things is irrelevant

the string of posts starting with 1002 is completely unfiltered

? i dont see how this explains anything. unfiltered means exposed?

[tris]

what do you mean by exposed here? i thought you were saying exposing yourself to getting voted

[tris]

i don't really think people are voting you over those posts

i think the transparency is generally helpful for reading you

it is and thats why i dislike it

Even when you're town?

[tris]

help, im too easily influenced by the things people say

[tris]

like, i dont know how to have opinions. idk. des anyone have any tips for dealing with that going into day 2?

[tris]

thats true, but i alreasy knew that

[tris]

thats one of the few opinions i have

[tris]

people suggested wagons on ppl like tris and ausuka and id put myself down as more of a no for those

huh. why?

[tris]

aww.

i hope my tooth pain clears up enough for me to actually participate tomorrow

[tris]

noooooo, im slowly reading people's iso's from day one and was really happy about the ausuka townread i was arriving at, but then :(

anyway ill continue doing that and start posting in ernest once im back home.

[tris]

omg, i cant believe i didnt read 896 until now.

also, hi! i'm on a train reading meuh's iso from day 1! i've already read ausuka and baltar (more conflicted here than i was before). my train isnt moving because of problems, so maybe i'll have read all the other iso's by the time im back home!

[tris]

ok heres a cool fact: i don actually scumread the start of skitters iso anymore

[tris]

i only have fire left to iso which i actually havent done before

[tris]

as of end of day 1:
tris (shes so towny omg)
fire
skygazer
skitter
meuh
baltar
osuka

[tris]

before i go ahead and catchup here are some q's sorry if these have already been adressed/are horribly out of date at this point.

fire:

wrt 986, i'm curious how your approach differs from that.

skitter:

could you describe the history of your read on meuh?

not a question, but noting that everyone on the osuka wagon was town probably.

[tris]

that is a hilarious reads list given the situation, tris town

lol cant wait to find out. now i get to read new posts finally

[tris]

before i go ahead and catchup here are some q's sorry if these have already been adressed/are horribly out of date at this point.

fire:

wrt 986, i'm curious how your approach differs from that.

skitter:

could you describe the history of your read on meuh?

not a question, but noting that everyone on the osuka wagon was town probably.

wish i had more questions. should have taken better notes

[tris]

VOTE: Tris
I wanna nudge over here

hi :)

[tris]

like i think this game was significantly more winnable if we didn't lim hellbooks there and im annoyed w myself that i didn't push for that more firmly earlier

i agree

[tris]

Feeling the opposite on Skitter
Had a lot of "hmm... this is scummy" moments
Also do not feel like writing extensively but have a collection of posts that made me go hmm

I kinda think this is a silly premise tbh b/c these don't actually appear to be things that are objectively scummy (if they were, so many wouldnt be finding this read questionable)

I mean i think my read on ausuka changed with her response to the initial callout (i.e. in 122), the read changed from a ping to a legit scumread there

I then thought ausuka's approach to sky was p bad and scummy: her approach in 177 is quite questionable, particularly the bit abt how sky was planningyo come into this game pushing ausuka. At that point my read was p solid

On top of that, i don't think ausuka has been solving really - i don't know what her reads are other than sky, and her response to being sr has been quite flat

I think calling this read 'static' is rather unfair ...

Wrt fire tbh i think i was a bit annoyed he was voting me and that may have been coloring that, i'm kinda over that now tho.

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i think it just doesn't feel like she's super engaged with the game yet

but it feels like more of a town not being sure how to approach or caring that much about anything yet

than a scum doing any of that whether intentionally or not

thats why the skygazer vote felt the most scummy to me of her posts because it felt a little bit like she was forcing herself to do things in a way that i think she'd be more likely to do as scum

the revaluation/walkback afterwards though didn't really feel like the overall thing was done to accomplish any scum goals

Idk why she forces herself to have a sky scumread as town ...

What do you mean by this?

Fire's saying: i think ausuka has townie vibes except well maybe for the fact that her scumread of sky felt forced

I'm saying: well, why aren't you paying more attention to that point, do you think town-ausuka forces that read? I don't think that's so likely

I mean you alluded earlier to the fact I won both of my recent scumgames in f3 and was widely townread for most of the game in both. This game i have been under constant pressure early and everyone thinks i'm awkward/unreasonable/whatever. Others also compared it to a recent towngame of mine so like I am pretty surprised you seem to have not taken this into account at all

I don't think i've seen a recent towngame and just b/c you're good at scum doesnt make you can't have an awkward entrance sometimes

Like are you saying i shouldnt think you're scum b/c scum-you would be playing better?

I don't really understand what concern you think i should be engaging you abt? That i think you have a good scumgame?

Pedit i'm not at a point in my life where i have enuf time to meta entire other games, sorry. Having an expectation for me to do that is silly. I wasnt in that game, i don't know how you played, i'm noy going to read that game now.

For the second point: it's an awkward entrance coupled with a bad reaction to a sr coupled with a weird sr of sky coupled with general lack of solving. Like one or two of those, fine, but altogether you feel scummy to me. I don't really understajd why other people are townreading you, no. Also this is a bizarre thought: you have a good scumgame so i should be engaging with other people's townreads on you? What? How does that even make sense ... why should i be giving those reads weight, if anything i think i should give them *less* weight if you have a good scumgame

(i also feel like the way you wrote this second point is manipulative)

@ausuka

It's not even abf that, and to answer your question, idk

It's more the ALL CAPS LOOK AT ME I DON'T CARE ABT GETTING FLIPPED IT'S EVEN PROTOWN!!1!!!!!!

bit that feels scummy

Well the fact that it keeps changing is Not Great

i agree the first one is a little scummy, can you elaboratify the rest?

[tris]

fuck wrong spoiler

[tris]

is there like a guilty on someone? don't tell me

[tris]

the only reason to kill fire n1 is to make me look bad. i think thats too obvious though so assuming fire is town, i feel like scum wants to make this a situation where they can exec either me or fire and then pivot to the other one after a green flip

lmao this feels so out of touch with the game state

[tris]

like i am very confident here skygazer is scum

Why are u so confident she's scum?

hardclaim she is not VT

oh cool

[tris]

not a question, but noting that everyone on the osuka wagon was town probably.

lmao i guess not

[tris]

also POE cause I think you're town and osuka/Skygazer both don't really click as scum to me

why were you disregarding baltar here.
also why did you at the time think this about osuka and skygazer?

[tris]

anyway, i love that i did all this reading while we have a guilty.

[tris]

it was actually kinda fun doing on a delayed train through the middle of the night. my phone perched on a tray plugged into my charger. with the lighting all cozy

[tris]

eating the free snacks they gave us

[tris]

oh hah
uhhh ill have reconsider things but off the top my head
well i almost want to believe sky here, but assuming sky scum world

tris
fire
osuka
skitter
meuh
baltar
sky

[tris]

before i go ahead and catchup here are some q's sorry if these have already been adressed/are horribly out of date at this point.

fire:

wrt 986, i'm curious how your approach differs from that.

skitter:

could you describe the history of your read on meuh?

not a question, but noting that everyone on the osuka wagon was town probably.

From null to 'maybe she can be scum' and back again

Rn it's: maybe she can be scum

could you expand upon this? why yhe changes? i saw you followed this contour but i didnt really understand why

[tris]

: )

[tris]

skygazer jumping on osuka is maybe anti-partner-y. did more to push him there than she really ever did for baltar

thats what i was thinking

[tris]

massclaiming fine by me

[tris]

ill be more around later

[tris]

ah sorry, my tooth was acting up again. ill try next morning

[tris]

Took a peek at town!Baltar scumreading me in Invictus and it’s just not the same
He does have that confidence he also has here but there’s also little tidbits of reconsideration, towny thought processes scattered throughout in which Baltar’s towniness seeps through. There’s also a lack of the nefarious reframing and misinterpretation that exists here. He’s just scum.

Pedit: I’ll wait until osuka and Tris chip in but I wouldn’t mind starting off the massclaim afterwards.

i don't have meta on baltar, but this describes the problems i have with him.

[tris]

oh is it my turn to claim?

[tris]

i guess so, im vt too :)

[tris]

well, we dont know if sky used her shot n1. i would imagine she would tho. in which case meuh would be clear because sky isnt multitasking.

skitter is pretty clear i'd say.

i would vote baltar here, but i dont want to put him at l-1 yet

[tris]

but ler the op

I'm dumb and cannot figure out what you meant to say here.

* per the op, sorry

It says in the op that scum are multitasking by default

o

[tris]

so i guess meuh isnt really clear

[tris]

ok, so tris is either uninformed or just lying to try to smear me. hmm

not sure what i'd hope to gain from a lie that's easily correctable

[tris]

Her one osuka vote looks like it could be a vote on a partner

hmm, i felt the opposite, but i havent actually reread her iso yet which i should

[tris]

skitter clearly knew about it

[tris]

i've had suspicions skitter was a pr pretty much all game

[tris]

i've had suspicions skitter was a pr pretty much all game

You mean PR just neutral of alignment?

no, town pr

[tris]

Really? Feel like you were sussing skitter until pretty recently, but maybe my memory is just bad

i did at first, but later in the day when i was less confident, i had a feeling that if she is town, she's a pr. wasnt necessarily townreading her yet tho. it was just a possibility i was considering when thinking about people who might be prs.

[tris]

lol

[tris]

she was also a big part of making the osuka wagon a thing tho

[tris]

if im remembering correctly

[tris]

VP Baltar [2]:

Ausuka, Skygazer

hellbooks [2]:

skitter30, Meuh

fireisredsir [2]:

VP Baltar, osuka

osuka [2]:

hellbooks, tris

skygazer [1]:

fireisredsir

votecount when sky voted osuka

pedit:yeah

[tris]

VOTE: baltar

flashwagon go

question is, how likely was this wagon to convert to a yeet?

[tris]

Nooooo Skygazer you're making our associatives obvious

lol

[tris]

Hey everyone, the thing I said would happen is happening.

i have a conspiracy theory that sky was voting here to help give credence to this line by baltar. to make the baltar wagon seem more shady. idk if thats sensible

[tris]

VOTE: baltar

flashwagon go

question is, how likely was this wagon to convert to a yeet?

not very? that feels like an empty-ish vote in hindsight because there was no real push behind it

huh? there was a whole wagon behind it

[tris]

It looks like I was at e-1 with that vote, wasnt I? Had meuh not moved, I probably was dead there....which actually looks better for meuh there

who do you think was gonna hammer?

[tris]

@skitter, what are the top reasons to townread baltar?

[tris]

thats what i was thinking

[tris]

maybe osuka seemed more likely limbate later

[tris]

ive not nearly done the reading i should today.

[tris]

Though, I unironically got a bunch of townpings when reading Sky's ISO knowing she's scum, so maybe that's not a good source...

me

[tris]

Though, I unironically got a bunch of townpings when reading Sky's ISO knowing she's scum, so maybe that's not a good source...

this townpings me

[tris]

woops, messed up quote

[tris]

its sort of a strange description because i think they in general are at pretty different heights relative to the radar

Skitter and Tris? Maybe they are in general, but from my perception they're in the same category
It revolves more around me thinking less critically about them since like midway through day 1 and having a blind spot than their actual stand in the game

this feels towny

[tris]

ok Skygazer can be town

why did you say this?

[tris]

shit I just realized skygazer has they/them pronouns in their profile. Did that change during this game? Could have swore it had both before. Apologies on misgendering in my previous posts sky.

oh! thank you for bringing this to my attention.

[tris]

i think the whole "well osuka will probably just claim something so let's lim hellbooks who has heavily implied VT" was p sketchy and i wish i had woken up slightly earlier to argue against it, that was kind of frustrating

this is pretty scummy tbh

[tris]

ehh, meuh makes the most sense narratively.

[tris]

true

[tris]

oh woops i forgot to press disable smileys. i dont know why i make myself do that manually every time

[tris]

there's a cheeky selfawareness to you, but that might just be how you are.

[tris]

i tend to want to agree with you more, but does that make u town?

[tris]

my table consists of meuh and baltar

[tris]

VOTE: meuh i trust skitter and fire's reads here better than whatever halfbaked thing i could come up with. thats E-1

[tris]

UNVOTE: ok fine i'll make an actual effort to read here.

[tris]

oh no

[tris]

this is all my fault

[tris]

i had so much time to actually play the game, but here i am

[tris]

8 hours left hmm

[tris]

actually i probably live here, but still

[tris]

having not done the required reading, do i trust my scumread of baltar, or do i decide he doesnt make sense as a partner and go for meuh. what i should have done is interact and sort but theres little time for that now. maybe i still have time to do a little reading. its late, but i owe it to the game.

[tris]

i should try to understand why fire came around on baltar.

[tris]

like, theres the thing fire said about how baltar being unreasonable is not enough. i dont want to fall into the trap of scumreading him because i disagree with him.

[tris]

as i said before, meuh's perspectives tend to resonate more with me

[tris]

im not gonna be awake before deadline so if i die and tris flips green im sorry lmao

im trusting my gut here

does this mean theres no time for baltar unless i can somehow convince skitter?

[tris]

i guess ur sleep now

[tris]

yeah, theres no way baltar can happen VOTE: meuh

[tris]

meuh ur cool, but i must vote you

[tris]

good morning. do you think you don't need to towncase yourself?

[tris]

oh i see

[tris]

skygazer and osuka make little sense as a team to me

[tris]

my concept of a baltar sky team might be completely rediculous though

[tris]

no unfortunately. i'll do some now

[tris]

i think skygazer was likely to face a lot of scrutiny anyway, and so he was proactive to earn towncred

[tris]

if you want to convince me you’ll have to do a lot better than that

yeah, idk. i don't think i can convince you