Micro 1079 - dividing connor (game over)

[usesPython]

VOTE: Invisibility

Serious vote, I don't think scum!yessiree puts me in the small hood after replacing in my slot in Open 876

[usesPython]

Past Divide and Conquer games:

Game	Lims	Result
Micro 1003	B	Town Win
Micro 1010	S S B S B B B	Scum Win
Open 843	S B S S B B B	Scum Win
Micro 1062	B	Town Win
Micro 1076	S B S S B B B	Town Win

We should definitely be scumhunting without considering hoods d1, we can consider if we lim in small hood or big hood later since both strategies seem viable
-Nameless

[usesPython]

We should definitely be scumhunting without considering hoods d1
-Nameless

Isn't that what you just did?

We meant more not having the "We lim in the small/big hood today so I don't need to bother solving the big/small hood today" mindset, obviously the mechanical part of there being exactly one scum per hood should still be considered

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[usesPython]

really? why don't you think id do that?

Spoiler: Quote Wall

wow i did not expect a scum role PM LOL

I genuinely did not expect usesPython to replace out like that as scum and I fully expected to replace into a town slot haha

*shrug* I dunno! They had exams and maybe were actually tilted. Hello, anyway!

thats the thing, i thought the tilt with osuka was genuine town frustration, cause no way they weren't gonna capitalize on that

God I love powerwolfing

guess this explains it, they were playing a pretty decent scum game, kinda scary not gonna lie

So you've read some of the game I take it?

i was trying to find out why they replaced out, so i only skimmed python's ISO, it had plenty of substance and they seemed motivated to game solve. on top of being a hyperactive poster, so i was townreading them for sure

especially the last 2 posts showing genuine emotions which i think are very very hard to replicate as scum

people tend to townread that for sure

Then you kinda started lurking a bit and let town cannibalize themselves, if you put me us the small hood and didn't predict me POEing Invisibility as the small hood scum you'd have to be able to deal with a possible early 1v1 with me and I'm not sure you'd want to deal with that.

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[usesPython]

im thinking we lim in the small hood today no matter what, are you thinkin what im thinkin?

There's an argument to be made that if the small hood seems obviously solved that we just lim in the big hood and force scum to either shoot small hood and make the small hood scum more obvious or shoot in big hood and make the big hood scum more obvious. There's also the consideration that small hood scum can't hammer the big hood scum d1 without instantly losing the game.

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[usesPython]

The vibe I'm getting from the hoods was that small hood was planned and then big hood was made from whatever else was left. I don't think Aureal is big hood scum because in that case why not just go all in with a yessiree/Python/Aureal hood?

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[usesPython]

The vibe I'm getting from the hoods was that small hood was planned and then big hood was made from whatever else was left. I don't think Aureal is big hood scum because in that case why not just go all in with a yessiree/Python/Aureal hood?

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Or in the case where Invisibility isn't confident enough to be big hood scum, why not leave them with some wiggle room instead of putting both yessiree and I in the small hood with Invisibility

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[usesPython]

The vibe I'm getting from the hoods was that small hood was planned and then big hood was made from whatever else was left. I don't think Aureal is big hood scum because in that case why not just go all in with a yessiree/Python/Aureal hood?

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I would never set up the three of us in small hood here. Because that would mean the imminent demise of Team Sno-Cone. And that would be sad.

Ugh, I have to actually solve you again. VOTE: usesPython

Not true, you can sort Invisible as scum instead

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[usesPython]

So tell me, did you notice that Pooky was the big hood elimination in both those games where town won by flipping him?

I did! Only read Micro 1062 but in that game the small hood scum was pretty much immediately outed and Pooky was a lowposting consensus lim. Also thanks for accidentally reminding me about something that was mentioned in the scum chat in that game, if there's small hood off wagon then don't put people at E-1 if you're not willing to accept the possibility that off-wagon small hood scum quickhammer

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[usesPython]

wait why are the neighborhoods just order of signups? I think scum tried to make neighborhoods with an unbiased mechanism so that we couldn't glean anything from them LOL

Good point, why did scum specifically go by signup order instead of just letting the mod rand it by not submitting a hood though?

pedit: Screenshots instead of quotes make my eyes burn

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[usesPython]

oh true true. They must've decided that the order was acceptable enough over random neighborhoods so there's still probably stuff to glean from that. Not that I'll do much gleaning cuz I don't like doing meta (major player flaw. I just find it boring)

No I mean why did scum specifically make it obvious that they let the hoods rand instead of letting it rand and letting people see AI hood choices where there are none

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[usesPython]

half-tinfoil mode: this was a placeholder hood and both scum forgot to submit actual hoods due to sudden irl happenings

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[usesPython]

tbf I did kinda encourage yes to keep it low-key rather than stir the game up again and possibly get us more attention. And I'm really not too sure how you get the idea that he would expect a big active 1v1 from you because of what he expected your towngame to be before finding out it was your scumgame. Obviously he probably won't expect you to lurk as town after seeing how hyper-posty you were there, but that's just a you in general thing not you as town.

Me getting into 1v1's is playstyle not anything specific to my alignment and my point was that if I can be that townie as scum then it's risky for me to be put in the small hood with him. And anyways that was before it was pointed out that scum let the hoods rand

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[usesPython]

half-tinfoil mode: this was a placeholder hood and both scum forgot to submit actual hoods due to sudden irl happenings

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Huh. This is weird. I... don't think the mod would handle unsubmitted hoods like this though. For one, the list would already have to be ordered in a way where the scum are split apart properly, not both in the bottom five or top three.

I'm saying scum put the hoods in order of signups just have something and then didn't/couldn't update it for the actual hoods they wanted. If scum didn't submit any hood at all then the hoods would be completely randomized

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I DID ALL THE THINGS I NEEDED TO DO I HOPE

Role PMs have gone out! You have 48 hours from this post ((expired on 2023-05-08 10:30:00)) to confirm or be replaced.

The mafia faction have 72 hours from this post ((expired on 2023-05-09 10:30:00)) to submit their neighborhood choices.

If they fail to submit a valid choice, the neighborhoods will be randomized.

The game will start when every player has confirmed and the mafia faction has submitted their neighborhood picks.

[usesPython]

Well yeah but scum being distributed appropriately was a given since the game started with this hood combo.

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[usesPython]

Nope, I was running under the assumption that scum would do the fun thing and pick hoods instead of letting it rand

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[usesPython]

Nope, I was running under the assumption that scum would do the fun thing and pick hoods instead of letting it rand

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In 45 you said they made it obvious, though. I guess it wasn't actually that obvious?

Aureal did you roll scum without me?

I don't think it's possible to make it any more obvious the hoods were randed, I missed it the first time around because I checked the hood composition from my hood pm and didn't check the playerlist

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[usesPython]

Aureal did you roll scum without me?

What makes you even suspect this?

Pre-63 the questions felt really nitpicky and I didn't see where she was going with it. After the clarification it's fine but it felt more like she was looking for a gotcha instead of sorting

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[usesPython]

I think pre 63 you well deserved to be questioned. Even now your reason to townread yessiree strikes me as contrived.

I'm obviously not giving yessiree a pass anymore after it was pointed out the hoods got randed and also 55/61 was trying to figure out if I noticed the hoods were randed or if I lied about it so I don't see how my reason to tr yessiree is even relevant? Also it's literally how we sort but go off.

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Invisibility
VOTE: yessiree

Combo of Invisibility having better posts and yessiree not posting in the hood

[usesPython]

why does yessiree not posting in the hood concern you

Invis and I have a fun chill atmosphere in the hood, posting memes and cracking jokes. yessiree completely ignoring that and not joining in when they did jovial interactions in the main thread feels scum motivated, idk how to explain this vibe read any better it just makes the main thread haha-posting in stuff like 32/33 feel fake

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[usesPython]

Kinda like they did it to join the flow of the thread but then didn't bother doing that in the small hood, idk how to explain it it's just weird dissonance

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[usesPython]

maybe you should ask in the scum chat if that vote is an rvs vote or not

or maybe we should rock paper scissors between the 3 of us in the small hood and the loser gets limmed no questions asked

Like he makes a post like this but then when I continue the joke with Invis in the small hood by throwing rock and Invis throwing origami scissors there's just nothing from yessiree

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[usesPython]

And it's not like missing it due to timing should be an issue, I made the joke in the small hood 2 minutes after it got posted in the main thread

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[usesPython]

also :shrug: I saw ur first 2 posts about how there was no point talking in the small hood so i didnt bother to bookmark it and never checked it again

I really wish Invis didn't point out you could have forgotten about the hood in hood chat before you made this post

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[usesPython]

The big hood is lit


I'm trying to see who's reaction to the hoods being the playerlist js the most disingenuous since that's probably the biggest event so far.

userPython didn't notice and went full wolf on Invis
Yessiree didn't notice and sheeped (to get an rvs wagon going)
Invis was the one to point it out.

user's reaction is pretty decent so I feel comfortable townbinning for now.

I think Invis noticing that the hoods were randed but then not noticing the timer for submitting the hoods didn't run out is +town

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half-tinfoil mode: this was a placeholder hood and both scum forgot to submit actual hoods due to sudden irl happenings

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pedit: ngl that's an actual possibility LOL. Quick who here has been busy recently? (jk)

maybe it wasn't that obvious since no one noticed it straight away, but the choice seems more intentional than not
it's intentionally done to make it seem... not intentional? it could be specifically done to deny info behind neighborhood choices

The timer for picking hoods hasn't even run out yet, it was probably done by someone who either couldn't care less, or someone who doesn't know the playerlist very well so the choice doesn't matter to them.

[usesPython]

maybe it wasn't that obvious since no one noticed it straight away, but the choice seems more intentional than not
it's intentionally done to make it seem... not intentional? it could be specifically done to deny info behind neighborhood choices

I feel like it's not helpful to speculate on this? Real question, what does it gain?

Hood choices let you profile scum, in this case we're hunting for the kind of stick in the mud that'd unironically randomize hoods as scum when signing up for a setup revolving around scum picking hoods

I am looking in the small hood first, though, and I'm not sure why everyone wouldn't. It's awesome to be able to focus on only 3 players for a guaranteed scum lim.

In this setup I think it's actually optimal for everyone to operate under a collective delusion that anyone can get limmed d1 regardless of hood because it generates the associatives needed to solve for the big hood scum later in the game

Invis and I have a fun chill atmosphere in the hood, posting memes and cracking jokes

if we're having a hood competition, I put it forth the big hood will be revealed as the best hood- we've got interactive poetry.

Damn that sounds baller, I've got to start pulling out the strong memes then

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[usesPython]

Okay, this might be a bit weak but I townread Python bc the hoods are random. Having done a game with them I honestly can't imagine them not optimizing the perfect groups.

Or what if the point was for the partner to pop up with a townread because Python wouldn't not optimize?

Seriously though, reasonable point, but what if the ordered player list already was optimized for what they wanted?

I'm guessing that would make the partner someone reasonably experienced or at the least confident, since they'd be expected to have to carry endgame. So I guess not you.

ok but have you considered the fact that I'd put myself in the big hood to keep my 0% lim rate?

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[usesPython]

I did a little rereading to find who I found scummiest not in the small hood so I can get off my RVS vote.

The big hood is lit


I'm trying to see who's reaction to the hoods being the playerlist js the most disingenuous since that's probably the biggest event so far.

userPython didn't notice and went full wolf on Invis
Yessiree didn't notice and sheeped (to get an rvs wagon going)
Invis was the one to point it out.


user's reaction is pretty decent so I feel comfortable townbinning for now.

This is pretty much BP's only post I could call scum hunting and it reads pretty fakable and like the thought might not really be there.

sooo VOTE: BurgerParty

I actually liked Burgers post since the genuineness of the "Oh I didn't notice the hoods were randed" is probably the strongest townslip to be found this early, why do you think their ISO is worse than Dans or STDs?

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE: yessiree
VOTE: Invisibility

Hood related stuff

[usesPython]

If Invisibility flips red I think his partner is unlikely to be anyone who posted after 111, meaning POE that'd leave

• Merlyn
  
• Save the Dragons
  
  
• SirCakez
  
  
• BurgerParty
  
• ActionDan
  
  
• Aureal

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[usesPython]

I agree on the latter but the timing of this vote is super weird

Yeah I'd have expected some sort of response to the small hood stuff either before or after making that post instead of just dipping

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[usesPython]

but also I'm a little disappointed we didn't pull off the thing we said the small hood were gonna be pulling off

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Invisibility
VOTE: Merlyn

[usesPython]

I am sure someday, after the game, this will all make sense.

Okay, no, I'm still not sure.

The small hood chat is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

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[usesPython]

The small hood chat is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

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Oh. Now I get it.

You're trying to make us jealous of your exclusive positioning.

Not falling for it.

Hey how many posts in the big hood so far? We're already at 83 between the three of us

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[usesPython]

Hey how many posts in the big hood so far? We're already at 83 between the three of us

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Also tell them to post more, they still have to get sorted

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE: yessiree
VOTE: Invisibility

Hood related stuff

Just tell us what you mean don't say hood stuff this is pointless in a tiny game like this

We were being vague because the plan was to have all three of us co-ordinate to wagon people for reactions and I wasn't sure if that was still on when I made that post. Reason why Invis was scummy there was because after we all agreed to do it (Posts after 111 happened after the initial suggestion) yessiree and I agreed on a Dan wagon (124 was the first post after that) and then Invis started posting in the main thread without commenting in the hood with a or on the wagon target and that just made it look like they were waiting for their partner to come online before they gave the go ahead

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[usesPython]

okay i mean ig that makes sense from your PoV but i'm not gonna vote invis for that
what did you even get from that plan?

Well obv nothing since it never went through but for me I'd get reactions that I could townhunt off of since I sneakily planted the idea that scum should be sharing hood chats, meaning that the big hood scums reaction wouldn't be genuine since they'd know it's coming

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[usesPython]

Why 111 specifically? I'm not sure I'm following.

We were being vague because the plan was to have all three of us co-ordinate to wagon people for reactions and I wasn't sure if that was still on when I made that post. Reason why Invis was scummy there was because after we all agreed to do it (Posts after 111 happened after the initial suggestion) yessiree and I agreed on a Dan wagon (124 was the first post after that) and then Invis started posting in the main thread without commenting in the hood with a or on the wagon target and that just made it look like they were waiting for their partner to come online before they gave the go ahead

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[usesPython]

Oh, got it. I see you didn't learn anything since the plan didn't go through, but did it give you any insights as to who you think is scum in the little hood?

From Operation: Wagon? No. From yessiree's unvote on you with the reasoning of "not wanting to end the day with a lolhammer because some of the big hood players haven't fully gotten into the game" when before that he said "someone hammer this before Invis gets back LOL" (all in hood chat) feels scummy af

though I have been pondering usesPython's vote on Yessiree regarding them not posting in the neighborhood kinda very much sucks when they'd said that posting in the small neighborhood was pointless

Sorting in the hood chat is absolutely suboptimal compared to sorting in the main thread but that's not actually the point of my argument. Joking around and posting memes isn't conductive to sorting but we're still doing it because we're here to have fun, my argument was that yessiree doing that in the main thread but not doing it in the hood makes it feel manufactured instead of something being genuinely done to have fun

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[usesPython]

why are you sorting so much based on small hood actions when you said that the small hood wouldn't give much useful information?

First off I can't see the future so I don't see how hood chat unexpectedly being useful for sorting when all mechanical signs were pointing to it being pointless is a gotcha here, second off my point wasn't that we shouldn't be sorting from hood posts but that posting game advancing content in the hood is suboptimal because all it does is prevent big hood town from seeing it. I'll still sort using hood posts because wtf kind of alternative are you asking me to do, ignore the hood posts while sorting?

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[usesPython]

Like if you want an explicit example of what I wanted to avoid with that first post it's stuff like yessiree explaining his Merlyn unvote in the hood instead of in the main thread

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[usesPython]

I'm going to remind you that you're not the only ones here that get to have fun, you're playing a social game with other people

it's ok to not be considerate about other people's experience but spinning that as a reason when someone thinks different as you do to sort other players is the dumbest shit i've heard all day

You're absolutely welcome to have fun but the type of fun you're having (or not having) can still be AI

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[usesPython]

Oh, that was an e-1 vote on Merlyn. Didn't notice that. It was there for an hour with no posts between yessiree voting then unvoting.

What exactly do you find scummy in that?

If he didn't want a lolhammer why put Merlyn at E-1 unannounced for over an hour? Either his reasoning for the unannounced E-1 is a lie ("someone hammer before Invis gets back LOL") or his reasoning for the unvote is a lie ("and I didn't want someone to derp hammer and end the day yet, a lot of big hood players haven't fully gotten into this game. I'm still good with giving them a bit more time")

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[usesPython]

python, I can't tell if you're pretending or you are genuinely unable to tell that one is clearly a joke and the one is serious?

I doubt you lack the ability to read the tone there

You expect me to believe town!yessiree put Merlyn at E-1 unannounced for over an hour as a joke?

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[usesPython]

You expect me to believe town!yessiree put Merlyn at E-1 unannounced for over an hour as a joke?

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Or that town!yessiree who doesn't want an early lolhammer ending the day would do that in general?

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[usesPython]

i don't really have feelings on anyone in small hood yet, tbh they all feel a little scummy to me

Town post

okay i'll bite, what about that post from cakez makes u feel like it's a town post

To answer your question, this and the other one I quoted were perfect reflections of my own thoughts. It is highly unlikely either of those were faked. Thus town.

You don't think "everyone kinda scummy" is easy for scum to fake?

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[usesPython]

isn't it auto if we get scum right in the big hood D1?

i think big hood people should post more

Okay, I finally went back and read some of the games python posted back on page one (1003 and 1062 so far). Out of the 3 town wins, they always went for the big hood first. Yeah, one of those wins they do struggle a bit cause they didn't nail scum on the first try but eventually still a win. So, it makes sense to me that we'd vote out a big hood suspect first (totally opposite to what I thought when I started this game). My biggest struggle so far is that I'm having a hard time getting any reads on anyone who isn't in the little hood. Could we generate some talk and commit to posting a scumread and a townread from each hood?

Here's mine-
little hood: biggest scumread yesiree, biggest townread python
big hood: biggest scumread: Sir Cakez, biggest townread Aureal

The third game town won they limmed small hood d1 though? Also people seem to have forgotten to post their reads which sucks

i just think it's best to sort the big hood so i wouldn't mind more participation from the big hood (myself included, i guess) since the small hood is kind of running amok with the thread

ngl I was under the assumption y'all were doing a lot more posting in the big hood with how many people were lurking

one is that "it's a solution looking for a problem" - it feels like you decided sircakez is town first and then found something by which to townread him rather than the other way around, so it doesn't feel like you arrived at the conclusion organically

two is you're not giving anything concrete to the rest of the players to discern the validity of it, you're just saying sircakez is mirroring your thoughts that can't be faked so he's town

three is you're doing it in a way that's making it more about spewing urself town rather than focusing on the read itself

One and two definitely has a point but I don't see how three applies here. Just picking someone who mechanically can't be your partner and calling them town with barely any explanation aint exactly a winning scum strategy for getting townread

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

If I'm scum it's right though isn't it

Do you have any reads on who big hood scum is?

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[usesPython]

what do the previous games show about what hood to focus on and when to shift focus/look at both hoods? I could look myself but I don't feel like it :3 Plus I think other people already have

I only read Micro 1062 but in that one small hood scum was outed pretty early (especially after going full anti-spew on page 6) and everyone started hunting in the big hood pretty fast after that. Big hood scum got limmed after that as a consensus lim because they basically did nothing while everyone else was posting and looking at least a little townie

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[usesPython]

SirCakez
yessiree

Save the Dragons
ActionDan
Merlyn

Aureal

Python
Invisibility

No order within tiers.

I think there's a scum in Python/Invisibility, and then the other scum is in the Blue or Pink group. I scum read Aureal a little bit more than the other 3 because it feels like they've been popping in and supporting whichever of Python/Invis is their partner, where I feel like Merlyn is town who the scum is hopping on top of momentum wise, and when it made sense to turn, they switched.

Y'know I'm really starting to regret the small hood having so many posts because I disagree with pretty much every single read you have other than some of the

nulls

and it feels like half of that is because the posts that actually explain stuff are in the small hood. Reverse the order and you get around where my head is at though.

I think yessiree is small hood scum, I think Cakez/Dan is probably big hood scum but I don't like Aureal having done 0 sorting of yessiree compared to Invis and I and I also don't like STD having done pretty much nothing to hunt this game. You get thrown into the townbin for actually putting in effort this game which is more than I can say for half the big hood and I also feel pretty decent about Merlyn

Both Invisibility and Python are subtly controlling this game. On the surface, it looks like Invisibility, but I can see it being Python just letting it flow, but their change onto Yess was an action that I didn't like at all.

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[usesPython]

You say you don’t like that Aureal hasn’t done any scum hunting on Yesirre compared to Invisibility and yourself, but you just said most of the stuff is based on your hood talk.

Why should Aureal have anywhere close to as much as you and Invisibility on Yessiree?

I think you're misunderstanding, I'm saying Aureal is sorting Invis and I but isn't sorting yessiree

As scum, a good start for small hood, that I don’t know how many scum would actually do, but I think it’s a legit good strat, is to power fade a Small Hood, then kill the other one. day 2, automatically ends with scum fade, and last scum gets to kill in Big Hood however they like leaving it in a 4p ELO, which a strong scum can win easily, imo

Your math is off there:

d1 start: 7v2
d2 start after mislim: 5v2
d3 start after scum lim: 4v1

Big hood scum would then need two mislims in the big hood to win. Also the entire small hood paraphrased is incoming

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[usesPython]

Also the entire small hood paraphrased is incoming

I hope you include all the memes

Nah I will tantalizingly tease them but never actually post it so they can be jealous

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[usesPython]

The book of hood

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Page 1

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Chapter 1: The hood is useless

I point out that the only thing posting in the small hood does is prevent big hood town from seeing it since small hood scum can post what's happening in scum chat, and that the only game related reason to post in it is if we decide to do stuff that only works if big hood town don't know about it like coordinating an extended quickhammer

Chapter 2: The era of jovialness

I start using the hood chat as a meme dump and Invis joins in on the joking

Chapter 3: Serious sorting

I point out that yessiree joining in in the main thread funnies but not the hood chat feels scummy, Invis counters that he could have just forgotten about hood chat

Page 2

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Chapter 4: The pagetoppening

Skygazer steals the pagetop, much rabbling occurs

Chapter 5: A new yessiree

yessiree finally hops into hood chat saying he needs to get drunk first before being silly in the hood chat, I ask if he was drunk when he posted 78 then and he says no

Chapter 6: More memes

Invis and I keep dumping strong memes in the hood

Chapter 7: Operation Wagon

I suggest we all pool our votes to make it easier to sort the big hood, both Invis and yessiree agree (though not without yessiree shading Invis first). I suggest Dan/Cakez/STD, yessiree suggests not doing cakez or STD or aureal but is fine with the remaining 3. Invis likes the plan 90% because it's funny

yessiree and I agree on Dan but decide to wait until Invis gets back before going ahead. I ask yessiree why not cakez or STD and he responds that they're jaded enough to be resistant to reaction tests

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Chapter 8: The wagon loses a wheel

Invisibility starts posting in the main thread and completely ignores the hood chat to give a or on the target, I scumread him for this

Chapter 9: The Merlyning

yessiree and I coordinate to put our votes on Merlyn before Invis comes back to unvote

Chapter 10: The wheel is found

Invis comes back and realizes that we actually had decided on a target for the wagon

Page 4

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Chapter 11: A new meme rises

Invis and I spend the entire page posting memes

[usesPython]

Why does that first part matter? Our reads being different has nothing to do with my reads on Cakez/Dan. Those are completely separate.

Yeah except even if I flipped a coin I'd still be 50% correct on scum which means I get to do fun pre-flip associatives and I don't like Cakez makes a bunch of reads that I disagree with without any real reasoning or examples of why he thinks stuff like yes/Dan being TvT or what posts by Invis/yes had a townie thought process

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[usesPython]

Also I never said that all the differences in reads come from missing hood chat? Only some of them

Y'know I'm really starting to regret the small hood having so many posts because I disagree with pretty much every single read you have other than some of the

nulls

and it feels like

half of that

is because the posts that actually explain stuff are in the small hood.

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[usesPython]

this is just my playstyle, ask me about any read and I can elaborate
what do you disagree about?

Can you point to an example of a yessiree post with a townie thought process before 210? Also Invis too, they've been townie in the hood but idk if they did that in the main thread off the top of my head.

I disagree on yessiree/Dan being T/T, I think they both come out of that looking scummy

Why do you think STD wanting big hood to post more while he's also been lurking is scummy?

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[usesPython]

Why do you think STD wanting big hood to post more while he's also been lurking is scummy?

As in specifically when you voted in 209

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[usesPython]

Those stats are not true

I know I'm town, meaning there's exactly one town and one scum between yessiree/Invis. How isn't that a 50% accuracy rate if I flip a coin?

Pedit: I was

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[usesPython]

Here’s the thing:

Based on the play styles seen only in this game, I do not think Yessiree does the hoods the player order. That is too much of an organized chaos choice.

That being said, there’s a few big hood scum players I could see doing that.

But from Small Hood, that does have Invisibility all written over it so far, especially because they’re the ones pointing it out.

I’m not 100% yessiree is town like I was a little while ago, but still feels most likely for more reasons, such as they’re the 3rd wheel in the neighborhood. The other two are driving it forward.

Based off of the tone from hood chat + main thread I don't think Invis does the playerlist like this. I can kinda see yessiree doing it but I think more realistically what happened was that big hood scum proposed it and small hood scum gave the go-ahead

@Python - you talked about Aureal a little bit before, do you scum read them?

Aureal's like 2nd or 3rd in the big hood scumminess, like yeah not sorting yessiree is scummy but there's been so much scumminess coming from the big hood that it kinda doesn't even make a dent

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[usesPython]

Yesiree is like obviously on the sideline not controlling any of this by the way. One of the scum here is always Invisibility or Python.

Why do you think yessiree being on the sidelines here makes him town? Like from personal experience as scum he can absolutely lurk town to death and if his partner is Merlyn/Aureal/STD? he'd also know I can tunnel like crazy and just let me hop on Invis without really needing to do anything

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[usesPython]

Merlyn is my reverse reads, I guess

Seems to be a lot of that going around

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Aureal

Good enough for me, you convinced me

If yessiree is your top small hood townread why are you voting Aureal for not sorting him?

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[usesPython]

@mod

V/LA tomorrow

[usesPython]

@Python, why did you switch to Yess when you found out the neighborhoods weren't hand-picked? They weren't randed either.

It's more that I stopped tring yessiree for the hood composition, it's only later that I started sring him. I think looking at the small hood composition is the wrong way to go about it though, rather look at the big hood:

big hood

- Merlyn
- Save the Dragons
- SirCakez
- Flavor Leaf

BurgerParty

- ActionDan
- Aureal

Don't feel like going through all of STD's/Cakez/Dan's games to see if they've played together so I'm just gonna assume they have but in the Merlyn/Burger/Aureal group it's only:

Aureal/STD (STD replaced in towards the end of d1 and got limmed d1)
Merlyn/STD (Merlyn replaced in after STD died)

Basically, even though it's not a theoretically perfect hood for a given scum pair it's generically good enough that big hood scum has a good shot at deepwolfing regardless of who they are; the only info hood composition gives is that scum are ok with slightly suboptimal hood compositions to reduce the amount of info town has.
In Aureal/Merlyn/BurgerParty worlds none of them need to worry about getting meta'd, especially if we'd decided to focus exclusively on small hood to also break the Aureal/Python, Aureal/yessiree, and Merlyn/Python meta possibilities outing them.
In STD/Cakes/Dan worlds bringing in anyone that could meta them together in the same hood means they can leverage those connections to pocket each other while also taking advantage of scum needing to shoot in big hood anyways if small hood gets limmed to kill anyone problematic

Also maybe randed is the wrong word but I couldn't think of a better one at the time, I guess you could call it a low information hood instead if you want?

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[usesPython]

If yessiree is your top small hood townread why are you voting Aureal for not sorting him?

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This is a misrep. Those are your words and reasonings, not mine.

I mean idk what other kind of conclusion you expected me to come from

@Python - you talked about Aureal a little bit before, do you scum read them?

Aureal's like 2nd or 3rd in the big hood scumminess, like yeah not sorting yessiree is scummy but there's been so much scumminess coming from the big hood that it kinda doesn't even make a dent

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VOTE: Aureal

Good enough for me, you convinced me

but go off

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[usesPython]

I specifically don’t think Aureal is partnered with Yessiree because of those things, though. It’s much more likely Aureal, if scum, to be with Python or Invisibility. ThTs just how I’m feeling anyways.

If Aureal was scum with Yessiree, it makes no sense to not comment on them. It makes much more sense to comment on a partner and another townie.

This latch on thing to them not sorting Yessiree is kinda weak, and maybe that can be a supplemental reasoning, but generally scum don’t play like that

You're assuming Aureal's a strong scum player, pretty sure she's only rolled scum once

it's okay, Python. You already convinced me of Python. You said you think it's Yessiree and Aureal, right? Why not join?

If I get on yessiree then I can't quickhammer him, duh

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[usesPython]

Though I suppose with the 0 votes on him that's probably not happening so VOTE: Aureal

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[usesPython]

You're assuming Aureal's a strong scum player, pretty sure she's only rolled scum once

Yeah I just checked, Open 876 is literally her only completed scum game

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[usesPython]

And in that game the only reason she was commenting on me (her partner) was because I literally had 50 posts per day in that game so it was basically impossible not to comment on me

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[usesPython]

I could be dead wrong, but I like to thought spew what I'm feeling for transparency/the chance I'm correct.

And with Python, i don't get the correlation to the skill level of Aureal's scum game. I guess it's possible, but I don't think it's more likely than not. You're almost implying the opposite, one scum game and they're unable to talk otherwise, which I also don't think is true. I get what you're saying, though, so I guess I do see a little correlation, but still.

I replaced out d1 and still had 3x the posts that people who endgamed did and was also the primary wagon that day, when yessiree replaced into my slot she basically went radio silent on him other than responding to his intro post

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[usesPython]

Cakez didn’t try to defend anyone in if, his post really had nothing on this game. Action Dan’s comment on it is what really pushed this game elsewhere, meaning it’s not the take, it’s the weird mind meld. But i also had the same feeling.

And I believe you [STD] instinctively did too considering you wanted to move from small hood to big hood talk.

Merlyn having completely reverse reads from some of the other big hood + being in the center of small hood talk makes me believe they’re just in the thick of it, so that explains why they could be off.

This is my actual best reasoning, imo for my town reading of the group. This + people trying to take it down.

People are acting like it would have been an easy take for scum to make, but I don't really know why they would. SirCakez comment had no purpose and no defense, and I genuinely believe all 3 small hood were scummy. He didn't lean anywhere, he just was existing. That's townie.

Can you list out specifically who you consider is trying to take it down?

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[usesPython]

You, Invisi, Merlyn. STD, is where the energy is coming from. Note: Taking down isnt voting, just socially

Merlyn and STD sure but what would be the point of Invis and I doing it as scum? If we lim in the small hood then the scum's getting outed there and spewing the group as town, if we lim in the big hood then I somehow doubt it'll be by POEing 5 big hood people as town instead of just picking the scummiest person.

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[usesPython]

Also maybe randed is the wrong word but I couldn't think of a better one at the time, I guess you could call it a low information hood instead if you want?

do you not think that a scum!Yess would not choose to go by playerlist order for the reasons you thought he wouldn't before you realized the hoods were in playerlist order? Like, scum intentionally chose neighborhood composition. Even though it offers less information, it still offers some information? Why does the TR not apply?

I don't think the hoods were chosen for the small hood composition, so the TR based on small hood composition doesn't apply

i think scum in the small hood is taking the lead

i don't know who it is though. need to re-read or iso dive and that might not happen today

wouldn't that mean you think Yess is scum lol

Um no didn't you hear? You and I are the ones controlling this game

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[usesPython]

what do you mean? It's better for small hood to go after big hood.

Lets assume there's no scum in the mindmeld

If we lim small hood d1 we're limming small hood until we hit scum for the rest of the game meaning that its 100% guaranteed small hood scum gets limmed this game and so Invis or me trying to break it up spews it as town

If we lim big hood d1 then either we lim scum (in which case we win) or we lim town. If we lim town and scum shoots in small hood we lim in small hood until we hit scum (100% guaranteed).

If scum shoots in big hood then either they're shooting in the mindmeld which spews it as town or they shoot outside the mindmeld and hit the scummier players making it harder to endgame

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Python

I'll put my money where my mouth is. Good test for big hood anyways, interested to seeing where the gamestate takes us with a first true python push.

Implying I haven't been pushed for half the game

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[usesPython]

Yeah, Invisibility dumbtell with thinking Yessiree was leading the game is points to town.

Python got that scum energy in all of their posts, though tbh. Kinda just like that 'scum mad theyre pressured for reasons they dont feel are correct' energy.

oh wait nvm I misread FTDs post LOL. I thought he said scum isn't taking the lead

The misunderstanding was thinking that STD said scum aren't taking the lead, not that yessiree was leading the game. Also yeah no shit I'm annoyed at being pushed for reasons I don't think are correct but I don't see how that's scum indicative

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[usesPython]

i'd rather just go for scum than go a mech route. and just because we fade small hood today doesnt mean we will necessarily tomorrow

If this playerlist is dumb enough to lim in small hood d1 and then not keep going until they hit scum then get me out of the game now so I don't have to deal with it

I am like the 3rd vote on you all game unless there were some between vote counts. I don't believe you've been truly pressured at all this game. Even Invisibility has been pressured more than you thus far.

I wasn't talking about votes

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[usesPython]

Why do you not 'think' they are correct?

Why don't you know?

You're seeming to overreact to just one vote and one player's opinion.

Cakez and Dan don't exist?

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Python

I would like to pressure for reasons I think are correct. I held off on this vote cuz Python was acting like besties with me (including (jokingly?) suggesting we quickhammer Yess) and I wanted to sniff out if pocketing was happening but that's not going to happen anymore.

I wasn't joking about quickhammering yessiree

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Python

I would like to pressure for reasons I think are correct. I held off on this vote cuz Python was acting like besties with me (including (jokingly?) suggesting we quickhammer Yess) and I wanted to sniff out if pocketing was happening but that's not going to happen anymore.

I wasn't joking about quickhammering yessiree

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Like I pay enough attention to tell that a yessiree lim ain't in the cards without both you and I putting our votes there and I don't think you're scum which is why I suggested it, though as long as y'all lim yessiree tomorrow I don't really care

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[usesPython]

VOTE: usespython
After reading last page I feel this is most likely to be scum in the small hood

This is the only thing in SirCakez ISO that goes towards you, and they moved off of you a few of their posts later.

ActionDan hasn't really commented on you.

I feel you're projecting your own pushes as being against you.

They moved off me to go to big hood, wtf are you talking about

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[usesPython]

Like we're absolutely not gonna be in a gamestate where we can reliably lim big hood scum d1 which means we're gonna be shooting small hood today, pushes on big hood aren't gonna lead to anything

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[usesPython]

i feel tonally that python is still the scummiest one from the small hood
when I read most invis and yessirree posts I feel like I can see the town thought process and I don't see that in python's posts

nevermind. 2 posts.

but nonetheless, you're acting like they wear leading a giant rebellion on you

Cakez, Dan, you, Invisibility, and probably yessiree all have me at the bottom of their reads lists, you tell me

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[usesPython]

Is this a reaction test to see if I come complain about this misrep of my scum game? Consider a complaint lodged.

It's a factual statement, the only times you commented on him were when responding to his intro post and an off-handed mention to Oclax that you're fine with his lim

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[usesPython]

at this point, i just wanna see if this is legit or not

Fine I'll respond to this shitpush, we get scumread all the time for our playstyle and I see the same thing happening here

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[usesPython]

Is this a reaction test to see if I come complain about this misrep of my scum game? Consider a complaint lodged.

It's a factual statement, the only times you commented on him were when responding to his intro post and an off-handed mention to Oclax that you're fine with his lim

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You were reading the Mafia pt; you know that we were ready to keep distancing before seeing that it'd be better to match the town's gamestate of "we are so done with this shit so let's just flash wagon people."

I don't remember reading that in the PT and on a re-read I'm not seeing any post like that, can you point it out if I'm being blind?

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[usesPython]

I talk about sussing yes for not reading in 98 but only weakly followed through with slight shade because it didn't seem to match thread state. Then nix yes wanting to sr me in 118/119.

98 felt more like an explanation of why you were sring me and 118/119 was initiated by yessiree. I don't think you make these posts without believing it yourself though regardless of alignment so I'll drop it.

Re-reading page 13 onward I'm actually liking Flavors push less and less though for a few reasons:

1. The long posturing before placing a vote on me (their top scumread)
   
   
2. The nonsensical reasoning for an Aureal vote from their perspective:
   

   @Python - you talked about Aureal a little bit before, do you scum read them?

   Aureal's like 2nd or 3rd in the big hood scumminess, like yeah not sorting yessiree is scummy but there's been so much scumminess coming from the big hood that it kinda doesn't even make a dent
   
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   VOTE: Aureal
   
   Good enough for me, you convinced me

   If yessiree is your top small hood townread why are you voting Aureal for not sorting him?
   
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   This is a misrep. Those are your words and reasonings, not mine.

   There is no other post that they could be talking about that convinced them, I don't see how they come to that conclusion from my posts
   
   
3. The gotcha in 366 feels contrived as hell
   
   
4. The timing of the pressure coinciding with my announced V/LA instead of being done at literally any other time I was active in the thread

I think Flavor's the strongest contender for big hood scum

[usesPython]

i find StD's logic there scummy because its a disconnect. he asks the big hood to post more but barely posts anything of substance himself. it makes me think he's just trying to score town points.

I don't think big hood scum is a lurker slot, at the end of the day scum can't win unless big hood scum endgames

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Flavor

[usesPython]

There is no other post that they could be talking about that convinced them, I don't see how they come to that conclusion from my posts

I'm pretty sure the "convincing" you did was not actually your argument, it was convincing him more of his read that we're partners.

Then they would have voted me there since their entire Aureal read would have hinged on the Python/Aureal associatives and I was their biggest scumread + also little hood

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[usesPython]

i find StD's logic there scummy because its a disconnect. he asks the big hood to post more but barely posts anything of substance himself. it makes me think he's just trying to score town points.

I don't think big hood scum is a lurker slot, at the end of the day scum can't win unless big hood scum endgames

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BurgerParty was a lurker slot though.

ehh, they replaced out so I'm attributing most of that to NAI irl stuff

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[usesPython]

I disagree; lurking and staying out of spotlight is a good way to get to endgame

esp if the small hood keeps us distracted

That's the thing though, we

were

focusing on the big hood to sort it. I think scum was directly responsible for dragging us back to the small hood because the small hood scum is in a good enough position to mislim both small hood town, which lets big hood scum focus on setting up for their own endgame. That's the kind of thing that can't be done while lurking, it needs active effort to prevent big hood players like Merlyn and STD from getting people to sort big hood

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[usesPython]

I'm town and if Invis is town then Flavor has 0 SRs after our flips but they've decided that it's already time to go back to small hood? I don't think that's an accident

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[usesPython]

I also came into this game, and said why not just go for who you think is scum instead of neighborhoods, and I believe I've stayed true to that tbh.

Your only big hood sr relies entirely on associatives that I can guarantee are atleast 50% wrong and more likely 100% wrong

but keep throwing mud on the wall, and hoping something sticks

It'll stick after my flip and at this point that's good enough for me

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[usesPython]

And you are also just clearly targeting me because I went after you

If you tilt your head enough I can see how you can call it that. In my experience when the playerlist is divided between two mutually exclusive worldviews like we are right now (yessiree scum python town vs yessiree town python scum) scum tend to coincidentally be "wrong". Out of the Cakez/Dan/Flavor trio of wrongthink the scumminess would be Flavor > Dan >>> Cakez

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[usesPython]

Basically, even though it's not a theoretically perfect hood for a given scum pair it's generically good enough that big hood scum has a good shot at deepwolfing regardless of who they are; the only info hood composition gives is that scum are ok with slightly suboptimal hood compositions to reduce the amount of info town has.
In Aureal/Merlyn/BurgerParty worlds none of them need to worry about getting meta'd, especially if we'd decided to focus exclusively on small hood to also break the Aureal/Python, Aureal/yessiree, and Merlyn/Python meta possibilities outing them.
In STD/Cakes/Dan worlds bringing in anyone that could meta them together in the same hood means they can leverage those connections to pocket each other while also taking advantage of scum needing to shoot in big hood anyways if small hood gets limmed to kill anyone problematic

I'm sorry, did you just start off by saying that players who have meta from a previous game on each other are more likely to get found out as scum, and then conclude that players who have previous game meta on each other can use it to pocket each other? In other words, go from "meta bad for scum" to "meta good for scum"?

Those aren't mutually exclusive thing you know, having meta on someone means they're probably not gonna be a null for you. For players with less scum experience no meta is better since they're still at the skill level where they need to focus on not getting caught. For players with more scum experience meta is better since it lets them leverage those relationships to control the game

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Python

I would like to pressure for reasons I think are correct. I held off on this vote cuz Python was acting like besties with me (including (jokingly?) suggesting we quickhammer Yess) and I wanted to sniff out if pocketing was happening but that's not going to happen anymore.

I wasn't joking about quickhammering yessiree

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right after this post in the small hood you also joked about coordinating a quickhammer on your own slot, are you also gonna tell me what wasn't a joke too?

The self quickhammer was a joke, the quickhammer on you wasn't

Cakez, Dan, you, Invisibility, and probably yessiree all have me at the bottom of their reads lists, you tell me

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i dont but i'm inclined to now, im thinking flavor leaf is probably right that the perception of threats of on ur own slot is just you projecting ur own pushes on others

you're seeing the boogeyman here fam, ISO me cause i never had you at the bottom of my read list or pushed ur slot at all. i've always maintained invis is more likely scum than you in both here and in small hood

Is there some other way I should have read these posts then other than Python scum?

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Not gonna lie, the only reason I don’t full send Python here is because I know Invisibility’s a sly one.

But everything Python says is cap

Can someone translate Flavor Leaf for me? I think he might be speaking Mafia and I don't understand that language.

He is BASED, let him cook, we bing chilling

I'll read later no cap

[usesPython]

Deadline's in 3 days, can we get a consensus on if we're limming small hood/big hood/ignore hoods before the scramble?

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[usesPython]

Mechanically speaking we should only be limming big hood day 1 if we've got someone in the small hood locktown/lockscum, otherwise we risk losing a mislim compared to just limming in small hood until we hit scum to guarantee at least getting to 3p ELO

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[usesPython]

Mechanically speaking we should only be limming big hood day 1 if we've got someone in the small hood locktown/lockscum, otherwise we risk losing a mislim compared to just limming in small hood until we hit scum to guarantee at least getting to 3p ELO

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If we can get a consensus read on anyone in the small hood (whether a TR or an SR) then I'd prefer to lim in the big hood today

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[usesPython]

The self quickhammer was a joke, the quickhammer on you wasn't

ok then, if python get to E-1 i'm auto hammering no cap

You weren't before? Small hood town and small hood scum should both be auto-hammering any small hood at E-1 baring exceptions like a strong tr as town or deepwolfing as scum, it's why I warned people earlier about bringing people to E-1 with small hood off wagon

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[usesPython]

Deadline's in 3 days, can we get a consensus on if we're limming small hood/big hood/ignore hoods before the scramble?

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Who cares about the hood, just fade someone who you think is scum.

Mechanically speaking we should only be limming big hood day 1 if we've got someone in the small hood locktown/lockscum, otherwise we risk losing a mislim compared to just limming in small hood until we hit scum to guarantee at least getting to 3p ELO

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[usesPython]

also you can't deepwolf in the small hood if you're gonna lim in small hood on day 1??

Deepwolf as in playing to get both small hood mislimmed instead of just cutting your losses and taking a 1f1 quickhammer

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[usesPython]

EV wise as small hood unless you're accurately predicting someone to have a >66% chance of being town then you should be quickhammering them instead of risking the possibility of getting limmed instead since you know you're town

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[usesPython]

i mean from the pov of any of us the other 2 are gonna be 50/50 of being scum and thats about as good as my reads go on day 1 anyway

i knew that since the start

still dont see the quickhammer antics is necessary unless you're also in danger of being limmed

Exactly, none of us have been consensus locktowned

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[usesPython]

at this point, i just wanna see if this is legit or not

Fine I'll respond to this shitpush, we get scumread all the time for our playstyle and I see the same thing happening here

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BTW, can you explain this further? Where have you gotten much in the way of being scumread for playstyle?

Hyperposting means that everyone has Opinions^TM so we're pretty much never in the null zone. That tends to mean that we're either unlimable due to being widely townread or the designated d1 lim. Combine that with people for some reason finding our reliance on meta, metadata, and dissonance as scumhunting tools to be scummy and I'd say that describes a majority of the townies currently SRing us

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[usesPython]

Both small hood slots are pushing their contemporary.

Let’s go there and go next

Flavor caring about hoods now? That's a new one

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[usesPython]

Some people here and there scumreading you (like me in 2111) seems like a meager basis for that original statement, and now you're going even further and wringing your hands about being a 'designated d1 lim'? You haven't answered the question about where this has happened, and obviously if it has you were able to get out of it since you claim to have never been voted out.

Are you forgetting FaI where the only person to actually push us for something AI was Black pulling an activity read on me?

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[usesPython]

And if by "getting out of it" you include replacing out for unrelated reasons then yeah I guess we

have

gotten out of it every time, but the other times required us to effort to prevent getting SR'd in the first place since we don't actually know how to get people to swap their sr for a tr regardless of alignment

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[usesPython]

No, it's explicitly that game that's making me look at you funny for this position, because you said there that your norm is getting townread, so much so that you agreed you should act scummier because the other mafia might shoot you if you looked too towny.

Yeah that game taught me that norm ain't foolproof, turns out in only works in the Newbie queue

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[usesPython]

Like I wasn't actually attempting to look scummy that game so idk how you're getting that conclusion

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[usesPython]

Yeah big hood wise I think we hit scum in Flavor/Dan. Merlyn/STD/Dan have been lurking but Merlyn had ok early posts while STD's been existing and Dan had early susposting then dipped. Aureal has the Sass^TM I normally associate with her town game. Cakez kinda isn't wowing me but his posting is fine and the blatant early game buddying from Dan makes me not wanna lim here.

Small hood wise yessiree scum Invis town

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[usesPython]

I'm not liking Dan spending the past 5 days prodging with the exception of a single question shot at Merlyn that went nowhere

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[usesPython]

i dunno probably town on both

that wasn't super interesting

Who do you think is scum in the small hood?

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[usesPython]

Man if you're actually town here I kinda feel bad that all the work you're putting here's about to go to waste. I'd expect you to get shot n1 if you're town here so while you're efforting can you post an analysis of the game with the assumption that I flipped green d1?

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[usesPython]

The main reason I think yessiree isn't scummy because of them being behind is it doesn't feel like they have any scum motivation, and are kind of just existing. This isn't 100% by any means, because they could just be scum just existing, but both Yessiree and Invisibility could easily turn on me instead, and then be much safer with the game going forward.

I mean you've tunneled on me so hard that all your big hood reads assume I'm scum. Letting you drive the mislim and then shooting you before you can reassess is kinda optimal here

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[usesPython]

Python would be doing the classic 'bus a buddy, vote a townie' scum ploy in that case.

Self meta warning but if we were scum here we would have skipped the historic game table and instead posted an EV analysis that would show a slightly better town winrate with random lims if we lim in small hood and then exclusively focused in the small hood while letting my partner bus me as much as they need to

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[usesPython]

If I'm wrong on Python, one of Yes/Invisi are scum

Never would have guessed

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[usesPython]

ngl I've somewhat checked out of this game and I was hopping that we'd get a lim and the flip could help me be less bored but maybe today will be infinity days long.

Yeah you're not the only one, games stale enough that we really just need some blood

UNVOTE: Flavor
VOTE: ActionDan

If Flavor's town it'll get resolved overnight. Big hood wise other than them I feel the worst about Dan and it might save us a replacement

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Oclax
VOTE: yessiree

I get the feeling there's about to be even less consensus on the big hood

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[usesPython]

grim: your vote is still bad fyi, i want to read the game, but i really think ur slot is scum based off p1/p2, and ur vote here.

deadline was paused. the slot was being replaced. why, oh why dear python, would you vote our slot? and, while ur here and we're here, why yessiree?

If you're gonna scumread us for using meta you'll be spending the rest of your days scumreading us

yessiree's scummier than Invis so I'm aiming for scum at this point, there's a tonal dissonance between his hood posting and main-thread posting that I can't explain in a town!yessiree game

Dan had early susposting then prodg'd for 5 days and everyone else in the hood was either townier than them or would get resolved overnight anyways

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[usesPython]

so you want to kill the slot being replaced without letting the replacement have a chance?

and we know how u play as scum. we saw thru u in ice and fire, i just happened to talk kori out of it, so instead i'm gonna let kori read them however they want, and they think ur vote is dogwater. i think ur vote is dogwater. i think ur reasoning of wanting to kill our slot is equally dogwater. so what the slot did jackshit? you have time to reconsider everyone else. u should *only* be aiming for the replacement if there's nobody else u could ever kill and everyone wants to kill the replacement.

u especially do not kill a replacement slot when deadline has been paused, and the slot hadn't been up in the air for 24 full hours. u know there's a scum in ur hood. u think the slot being replaced is scummier than the guaranteed 50/50 u have in ur hood?

You should be wagoning big hood d1 in this setup because big hood scum can't get hard bussed d1 without losing the game, I absolutely wasn't expecting to hit scum in big hood d1 in this gamestate but I still want to see if yessiree/Invis took the bait and where they'd vote since if a big hood lim went through d1 they could realistically play for a win in 5p ELO and I don't see us winning if we focus only on small hood

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[usesPython]

And I scumread your slot even before y'all replaced in, I don't see why being replaced should change that immediately

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[usesPython]

It's a little depressing we all know I'm dying Night 1 here.

Just gonna remind you that you can still post your reads in the hood during the night so it aint all bad

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[usesPython]

All my reads are already here in the game thread.

Yeah but with the way things are going if we lim small hood today you're gonna have to redo all your work

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[usesPython]

So I do think Big Hood comes down to AD slot or Cakez, and we have less than 24 hours, but I think the fade should be within one of those two or Python.

I'd prefer to shoot AD/Oclax but Cakez is also doable, haven't seen him really do much this game

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[usesPython]

if there weren't two seconds left in the day it would be funny to vote the Oclaxian Empire

Why do you need more time to vote Oclax? Just flash wagon them if you want, 24 hours is more than enough time to get it done

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Oclax

[usesPython]

grim: your vote is still bad fyi, i want to read the game, but i really think ur slot is scum based off p1/p2, and ur vote here.

whats p1/p2? is it like a system thing

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[usesPython]

if there weren't two seconds left in the day it would be funny to vote the Oclaxian Empire

Why do you need more time to vote Oclax? Just flash wagon them if you want, 24 hours is more than enough time to get it done

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thank you for the inspiring words VOTE: Oclax

VOTE: Oclax

??

Invis what are you doing?

do you not see python has been trying to shift the lim from small hood to big hood ever since it became apparent that they are most likely to bite the dust if we limmed in small hood? i dont think u've read the small hood back-and-forth, i think u should do that and lemme know what u think

Oh so that's your partner then, got it

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[usesPython]

I like how you're saying meta read is crap

I'm not, I'm saying Oclax tends to scumread people using meta

but then in the next sentence you're doing exactly the same to scumread me based off tonal differences between my scum game and my town game you can't even explain?

I'm not metaing you, I haven't even seen your town game

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[usesPython]

@Python - You don't think Invisibility can be scum here?

I mean obv small hood means they're still pretty likely to be scum but like I think scum!yessiree makes more sense than scum!invis and at this point I'm willing to risk off that read

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[usesPython]

@Merlyn - In your experience, does Python normally have incredibly weak and forced looking reasons for their reads?

[usesPython]

from my understanding Python said limming in the big hood is better cuz it's the only day scum can't bus the big hood without losing the game. Python can definitely clarify things better than I said. Yess says this is deflecting to get the vote off them. Python says that they wouldn't be survivalistic here because it's in the scum's best interest to bus the small hood scum, or something

Yeah wagoning big hood d1 is critical in this setup for later solving and scum also have a vested interest in keeping the game focused on small hood and just bussing to prevent any associatives forming, this is especially the case if they optimized for the big hood like I think they did here. Only way keeping scum!Python alive makes sense here is if we spend the rest of the game limming big hood and playing for 5p ELO but in that case I'd literally have to be hoping my partner can deepwolf hard enough to win a 1v1 in ELO and would still be worse than just letting them bus me so they can play for a normal 3p ELO

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[usesPython]

@Merlyn - In your experience, does Python normally have incredibly weak and forced looking reasons for their reads?

Mainly talking about your big list on me + MemeYessiree. I understand the meme thing can be a vibe check, though, at least, and your push on me could have been emotion OMGUS fueled, if town.

Honest and painful assessment is that the reads we push at EOD tend to be decently accurate but the way we get there and explain those reads tends to be



regardless of alignment

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[usesPython]

Like last time I tunnelled + thunderdomed scum as VT people were actually considering if it was S/S before either of us even flipped

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[usesPython]

Like last time I tunnelled + thunderdomed scum as VT people were actually considering if it was S/S before either of us even flipped

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Scum were also thinking we were a PR with a red check for similar reasons

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[usesPython]

from my understanding Python said limming in the big hood is better cuz it's the only day scum can't bus the big hood without losing the game. Python can definitely clarify things better than I said. Yess says this is deflecting to get the vote off them. Python says that they wouldn't be survivalistic here because it's in the scum's best interest to bus the small hood scum, or something

Yeah wagoning big hood d1 is critical in this setup for later solving and scum also have a vested interest in keeping the game focused on small hood and just bussing to prevent any associatives forming, this is especially the case if they optimized for the big hood like I think they did here. Only way keeping scum!Python alive makes sense here is if we spend the rest of the game limming big hood and playing for 5p ELO but in that case I'd literally have to be hoping my partner can deepwolf hard enough to win a 1v1 in ELO and would still be worse than just letting them bus me so they can play for a normal 3p ELO

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Like if we're scum and our partner isn't exactly Flavor then it's strictly optimal to get bussed d1 for towncred with the understanding that yessiree/Invis/Flavor is a perfectly natural set of NKs that explain why big hood scum is still alive despite being so pro-town

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[usesPython]

Python continues to rail against Yess for not posting memes in the small hood. Python asked if I could use this argument against Yess tomorrow. I think it's a silly argument but they probably thought I was amenable enough to it to make me switch my vote which like I did express some consideration of it.

I was asking this to figure out if we could afford to lim big hood d1 or if limming small hood was forced to avoid instantly losing the game d3

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[usesPython]

Python continues to rail against Yess for not posting memes in the small hood. Python asked if I could use this argument against Yess tomorrow. I think it's a silly argument but they probably thought I was amenable enough to it to make me switch my vote which like I did express some consideration of it.

I was asking this to figure out if we could afford to lim big hood d1 or if limming small hood was forced to avoid instantly losing the game d3

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Like idk how you came to that conclusion after I posted

"I'd prefer to lim in the big hood d1 but if it's iffy it's probably better to lim small hood d1 even if I get limmed just to ensure we don't lose in 5p ELO

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[usesPython]

??

Invis what are you doing?

do you not see python has been trying to shift the lim from small hood to big hood ever since it became apparent that they are most likely to bite the dust if we limmed in small hood?

Why are you so against wagoning big hood today?

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[usesPython]

9 hours left so flash wagoning is a bit tricky but yessiree defusing the wagon there is a good reason to shoot Oclax after he flips

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[usesPython]

and we know how u play as scum. we saw thru u in ice and fire

The only person who saw though us in FaI for stuff that was actually AI is Black and if y'all had read Ice Mafia PT you'd know that but go off

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[usesPython]

Like your entire argument for why we were scum that game was that you didn't think we believed our pushes and were just using meta to make shit up but that's factually incorrect

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[usesPython]

Like here I'll even do your damn job for you and pull up the quotes cause I had to do the same thing for Drew

Dragon was limbait, I'd rather

Fire Mafia

get limmed instead of

Town

today

Who are you actually suspecting, then? Basically everything I'm saying so far is what I'm thinking, but I know my reads are lousy. XD

Drew/Bulge

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[usesPython]

Like here I'll even do your damn job for you and pull up the quotes cause I had to do the same thing for Drew

Dragon was limbait, I'd rather

Fire Mafia

get limmed instead of

Town

today

Who are you actually suspecting, then? Basically everything I'm saying so far is what I'm thinking, but I know my reads are lousy. XD

Drew/Bulge

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and before you start going "Oh see look Python pushed Dragon but admitted they're limbait", read the damn timestamps to notice that I'd already swapped onto Drew/Bulge by that point because they were scummier

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[usesPython]

And here's me explaining the same shit as town in another game

Post Edit: Have decided my role based off another player not really commenting on my slot.

Hey python, I interacted with Furt now, so they can't be my scum buddy right?

Can we swap the Bulge/Drew scumteam wagon from Bulge to Drew? This is not townie behaviour:

• Drew tr's Bulge in 534
  
• Drew/Bulge solve gets pushed with a Bulge wagon
  
• Drew starts defending
  himself

If you actually tr Bulge you should be defending Bulge as the town you think they are because Bulge flipping town puts you at 0 risk of getting wagoned, why are you putting all your effort to discredit the Bulge/Drew connection instead?

VOTE: Drew

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This is the best post to from that game to illustrate what I mean(there is a whole string of posts similar in vain).

ScumPython here is saying that town should act a certain way, and if they are not acting in the way they believe.....must mean scum.

The same flawed logic I am seeing here.

No actually I'm genuinely wondering how you're getting these meta reads from my d1 play that game because:

• I was genuinely trying to lim scum d1

  Dragon was limbait, I'd rather

  Fire Mafia

  get limmed instead of

  Town

  today

• I genuinely thought Drew/Bulge were Fire Mafia that game

  Who are you actually suspecting, then? Basically everything I'm saying so far is what I'm thinking, but I know my reads are lousy. XD

  Drew/Bulge

[usesPython]

I like how you're saying meta read is crap

I'm not, I'm saying Oclax tends to scumread people using meta

but then in the next sentence you're doing exactly the same to scumread me based off tonal differences between my scum game and my town game you can't even explain?

I'm not metaing you, I haven't even seen your town game

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AT NO FUCKING POINT EVER DO I METAREAD PEOPLE. MY READS IN ICE AND FIRE AND NAI. I HATE META. META IS DOGSHIT. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH

I'm saying you scumread people that use meta, not that you're using meta to scumread

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[usesPython]

im probably not going to hammer

we have six hours lol

I'll be around to hammer myself by deadline if the alternative is a no-lim, wanna see if the Oclax wagon goes anywhere first though

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Invisibility

So, uh, can I get a rundown of how screwed we are if we flip wrong in big hood here?

If scum shoot small hood then we're in 5/2 and can just keep limming small hood

If scum shoot big hood we're in 4/3 with the likely composition of

small hood

- yessiree
- usesPython
- Invisibility

big hood

- Merlyn
- Save the Dragons
- SirCakez
- Aureal

Under the assumption that Oclax gets limmed and Flavor gets shot. From there if we lim small hood I'm likely the lim. If scum shoot small hood after that we guarantee a small hood scum lim so they'll shoot big hood leaving us with

small hood

- yessiree
- Invisibility

big hood

- Merlyn
- Save the Dragons
- SirCakez
- Aureal

(Take out whoever gets shot)

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All of the big hood are pretty distinctly partnered with single members of the small hood in that gamestate so really it's just a question of do we risk going to 2/3 with a pretty solvable game or do we only lim in small hood and hope the wagons that have happened so far have partnered scum enough to solve the game

[usesPython]

VOTE: Invisibility

So, uh, can I get a rundown of how screwed we are if we flip wrong in big hood here?

You down to vote Oclax here?

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[usesPython]

VOTE: Invisibility

So, uh, can I get a rundown of how screwed we are if we flip wrong in big hood here?

You down to vote Oclax here?

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Like ignoring hoods just talking about scumminess

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[usesPython]

??

Invis what are you doing?

do you not see python has been trying to shift the lim from small hood to big hood ever since it became apparent that they are most likely to bite the dust if we limmed in small hood?

Why are you so against wagoning big hood today?

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im thinking we lim in the small hood today no matter what, are you thinkin what im thinkin?

There's an argument to be made that if the small hood seems obviously solved that we just lim in the big hood and force scum to either shoot small hood and make the small hood scum more obvious or shoot in big hood and make the big hood scum more obvious. There's also the consideration that small hood scum can't hammer the big hood scum d1 without instantly losing the game.

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aren't you being a little optimistic here going for the BIG PLAY on day 1?
but im not a gambling man, i have less than average luck so i'd much prefer the slow and steady strat

i wanna solve small hood first before solving big hood

Funny, this is the kind of attitude I'd expect scum to have here, which is especially weird for you because you're supposedly convinced I'm scum and Invis seems to be willing to also vote me so I don't see what the worry for you here is

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[usesPython]

Full solve here is just yessiree/Oclax, don't get distracted after I flip

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[usesPython]

oclaxian is not a good last minute wagon here IMO

Who do you think is a good flashwagon then?

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[usesPython]

oclaxian is not a good last minute wagon here IMO

Who do you think is a good flashwagon then?

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probably no one with five hours left

If we had an extra 72 hours who'd be a good wagon then?

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[usesPython]

StD or Merlyn still feel like good wagons to me, they are both MIA right now which I feel like is a scum tendency at deadline

StD was here though? and Merlyn doesn't tend to post at this time outside of weekends going off activity

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[usesPython]

merlyn never considered scum!python, actually iirc, merlyn pretty much always held town!python and scum!yessiree which is pretty consistent with python's worldview

That's because it's the correct worldview

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[usesPython]

maybe I haven't been clear enough that someone should just hammer Python right now. Wagoning Oclax was funny but I feel ok with what we got out of it but we should definitely just go for the 1/3 especially from my perspective!

Oclax probably flips the opposite of Python

What makes you say that?

While you're here:

You down to vote Oclax here?

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[usesPython]

Python, if we flipped Oclax as scum here, why would you still be the expected flip tomorrow? I don't think anyone really thinks you two are partnered, more the reverse?

If Oclax flips scum we already autowin, the quote was just to get your attention

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[usesPython]

I feel like Invis is just here to throw shade at Python.

And I don't think it matters what I do with my vote here. Having both seemingly possible wagons be in the slots I thought were townier is pretty

Who do you think is Invis's partner?

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[usesPython]

And if you TR both wagons might as well use your vote as a reaction test to see who jumps on Oclax, don't think even I'd be able to get another flashwagon through

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[usesPython]

I feel like Invis is just here to throw shade at Python.

yeah I think I am now

maybe I haven't been clear enough that someone should just hammer Python right now. Wagoning Oclax was funny but I feel ok with what we got out of it but we should definitely just go for the 1/3 especially from my perspective!

Oclax probably flips the opposite of Python

tbh I think Python is right here but it's not gonna happen

What did you mean by this?

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[usesPython]

How’s this?

If Python flips town, fade Oxy.

If Python flips scum, fade SirCakez.

I can still see possible distancing play from Oxy/Python, but it’s not as pronounced as Cakez/Python still.

If Python scum, Cakez town, i still think Oxy over others.

Invisibility/Cakez is still a solid one, as is Yessiree/Oxy.

bro how do you altslip

after

posting on the correct account

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[usesPython]

I'd still prefer to shoot Oclax first to protect my streak but yeah that works, it's a mechanical autowin if the first big hood lim is scum

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[usesPython]

Weren't you complaining a bit ago that if we flip wrong in small it'd be really stupid to not continue flipping in small?

Yeah and? We still have to flip big hood at

some

point

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[usesPython]

Anyways that's everyone checked in and pretty sure of the people open to being on another wagon Cakez/Flavor/Merlyn's gonna be available at the deadline so it's either all y'all swap to Oclax or we go for a Python lim unless Python/Cakez/Flavor/Merlyn/Aureal can all wrangle together a consensus elsewhere

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[usesPython]

Well, Cakez'd prefer Merlyn/STD in the big hood so it'd be more of a question if Aureal prefers a Python lim or a Oclax lim actually

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[usesPython]

I’m just worried of letting possible scumPython slip right here because they can probably run through the rest of the game if they do

Stop making me yearn for funnier games

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[usesPython]

yessiree/Oclax is the solve, see y'all in post game

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[usesPython]

Go post in the hoods overnight and don't let Oclax post their way out of this

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[usesPython]

Thanks for modding!

my favorite sequence of posts: yessiree putting merlyn at e-1, usesPython pointing out in the small hood that hammering scum is auto win, and yessiree immediately unvoting LOL