Micro 1084 | Quantum Mafia | Game Over

[Merlyn]

I've seen this one y'all, Gwyneth Paltrow's head is in the box

VOTE: Jason just felt like it

[Merlyn]

I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.

Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.

^
Sorry if I just butchered quantum physics, I'm not a scientist.

Is that my new record for fastest mainslip?

I feel like you had some other clues that gave it away before this

[Merlyn]

The only thing I'm sure of is that the fact that we're numbered will mean something, because otherwise why bother

[Merlyn]

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

[Merlyn]

UNVOTE:

on't be throwing shade for 'low post count'

That's why neutral, isn't it?

The neutral part is fine, it was the shade you wrote after that irked me

I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what?

What I mean by considering myself scummy is that looking at myself's ISO, and spectate myself, I don't consider me playing towny. Really. So I mean the voters on me may not be scums trying to push me off and have their reasons and I ACCEPT.

What have you done that you, when re-reading your posts, don't consider playing towny?

[Merlyn]

Why unvote them Merlyn?

not ready for them to die yet

[Merlyn]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

This is probably a good approach.
The Quantum Goon PM says mafia can put people into a box, so I don't imagine being put in there is anything good. We can probably just vote like normal.

But....

What's in the box?!?(In my best Brad Pitt voice)

uh, I already made this pop culture reference, get your own Drew!

[Merlyn]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

This is probably a good approach.
The Quantum Goon PM says mafia can put people into a box, so I don't imagine being put in there is anything good. We can probably just vote like normal.

But....

What's in the box?!?(In my best Brad Pitt voice)

Uhhh...cyanide, probably.

Ugh.

You are the worst Alainnna

Pre Edit: I get that Alaina, but.....scum is less likely to lolHammer, they are more likely to to be worried about a buddy being at E-1 though....

Merlyn, why didn't you announce they were at E-1 when you voted them, did you not realize the VC at that point?

I did not

[Merlyn]

to be fair, Drew and I are ancients who are referencing Se7en, a movie made in 1995.

[Merlyn]

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

Could you elaborate more on why you think his behavior here is suspicious enough for the vote?

It's one of those posts that look productive and long, but in actuality don't have a lot of content

[Merlyn]

This one concerns me the most. Saying you had 3 posts and that the posts gave little information is not shade, it's just a fact. He didn't even scumread you for it or imply that your low post count was scummy. The vote feels a little defensive.

It is shade bc it's completely out of context. It reads like I'm lurking. The missing context is that the game had opened literally less than one day ago, I slept 8 hours of that 21 hours and still posted 3 times. It wasn't possible to give any information bc the posts till that point are RVS and game mech theory.

Let me clear here in case I'm not: I'm not personally hurt or something. It always pings me when I see folks who post things that are worded in a misleading way. It's a good way to control the narrative as the game evolves.

[Merlyn]

There was a vibe I was getting so I voted them, felt like it was better than to just say they are hitting me in he vibes. I am not searching partners per se as well, but I found it interesting that Bianco had an issue with a couple votes in Heip.

And Merlyn's unvote of heip most certainly could come from scum, especially if they didn't realize they put them at E-1.

I know as town, even after realizing it was E-1, I would probably keep my vote there.

So you're finding heip's answers to be scummy? I personally have them in the 'keep an eye on, but move on for now' box

[Merlyn]

This one concerns me the most. Saying you had 3 posts and that the posts gave little information is not shade, it's just a fact. He didn't even scumread you for it or imply that your low post count was scummy. The vote feels a little defensive.

It is shade bc it's completely out of context. It reads like I'm lurking. The missing context is that the game had opened literally less than one day ago, I slept 8 hours of that 21 hours and still posted 3 times. It wasn't possible to give any information bc the posts till that point are RVS and game mech theory.

Let me clear here in case I'm not: I'm not personally hurt or something. It always pings me when I see folks who post things that are worded in a misleading way. It's a good way to control the narrative as the game evolves.

I think you're reading too much into it. They made reads on the entire playerlist, what were they going to say about you other than "neutral, no info"?
I really don't see how that post was painting you as lurking or trying to control the narrative about you, and it seems strange to me to imply that it is.

VOTE: Merlyn

I might be reading too much into it, but I didn't imply anything, I flat out said that the post was doing those things and I pointed out why. We can not agree on it, but thinking it's strange that I brought it up is a bit much.

[Merlyn]

There was a vibe I was getting so I voted them, felt like it was better than to just say they are hitting me in he vibes. I am not searching partners per se as well, but I found it interesting that Bianco had an issue with a couple votes in Heip.

And Merlyn's unvote of heip most certainly could come from scum, especially if they didn't realize they put them at E-1.

I know as town, even after realizing it was E-1, I would probably keep my vote there.

So you're finding heip's answers to be scummy? I personally have them in the 'keep an eye on, but move on for now' box

It was a vibe, like I said, there really wasn't a strong 'obv scum' vibe....but enough to drop a purposeful naked vote, and the let Jesus take the wheel.

Why did you vote them in the first place? And why did you say I don't want them to die right now(paraphrasing, too lazy too go back for your exact quote lol). I actually am leaning more that you were scum jumping on a mis-elim and the had an oh fuck moment when you realized it was an E-1 vote.

I want to here from Heip though, I asked a question of them I don't believe they answered.

So, you're saying that as scum, I would be...what, frightened to have brought someone to E-1? I don't get that at all. I voted them bc I found something sus in what they said, and I like to vote, but I don't plan to lim on a pressure vote.

[Merlyn]

Let me clear here in case I'm not: I'm not personally hurt or something. It always pings me when I see folks who post things that are worded in a misleading way. It's a good way to control the narrative as the game evolves.

That's a wierdly defensive stance, I don't think anybody was afraid you were hurt personally? That sounds a way out of proportion thing to mention

I do think Alianna thought that.

[Merlyn]

Nah son I never fear being on a wagon as scum

[Merlyn]

P-edit re: 189: Why so? I don't recall thinking that.

I thought when you said I was defensive, I thought you meant that I was getting defensive saying I wasn't lurking. Like, you impugn my honor sir! What did you mean then?

[Merlyn]

P-edit re: 189: Why so? I don't recall thinking that.

I thought when you said I was defensive, I thought you meant that I was getting defensive saying I wasn't lurking. Like, you impugn my honor sir! What did you mean then?

I thought you looked like you were paranoid about getting scumread and jumping to defend yourself against anything that you think might be an accusation.

What, that early? I'm new but I'm not that new.

[Merlyn]

Heip, are you new to mafia?

[Merlyn]

well I thought I was making them all along lol

[Merlyn]

P-edit re: 189: Why so? I don't recall thinking that.

I thought when you said I was defensive, I thought you meant that I was getting defensive saying I wasn't lurking. Like, you impugn my honor sir! What did you mean then?

I thought you looked like you were paranoid about getting scumread and jumping to defend yourself against anything that you think might be an accusation.

What, that early? I'm new but I'm not that new.

Heip, are you new to mafia?

Why do you have to be making good posts now?

I don't see anything that really changed from Merlyn, so this strikes me as odd. From the posts you quoted, the first one is merely a defensive post doesn't say much at all, and the second is a question with an obvious answer if you've been paying attentionnto what heipizhu4 has been saying.

Maybe someday it'll be obvious to me too, but I figured they were an alt

[Merlyn]

mea culpa, I missed that

[Merlyn]

Well I could see in more or less real time how you react to being scum read when you are town, I know it isn't a huge thing, but does help me out.

That reaction wasn't to being scum-read to be clear, but i'd rather not dwell on that one any more then we have.

If you wanted to really see me Town in real time, it'd have to be in a hydra

you two are forbidden from making a hydra of that destructive power

[Merlyn]

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Hey, have you played with Alessia as scum before? I haven't yet, but I think she's talented, enough that her scumplay could look like her townplay.

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Yeah, that's town!me for you.
(also Allan? That might be the worst you've butchered it!)

Well okay, since you're vouching for yourself, question for you- what would scum!you do that's different?

[Merlyn]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

Well, it's kind of dramatic to frame it as an accusation but essentially it's true though, right? You're accusing them of being scum though, right? You used the quotes to explain why you started scum reading them.

[Merlyn]

@Imaginality- I'm rereading your case on drew in 169, and what did you mean to link to when you said you liked the case for Drew in 146?

[Merlyn]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

Well, it's kind of dramatic to frame it as an accusation but essentially it's true though, right? You're accusing them of being scum though, right? You used the quotes to explain why you started scum reading them.

Merlyn, just a reminder that this was my reasoning for a vote on Page 4, when we were basically in RVS, i don't need a lot of reason to make a real vote, and i think what i quoted was reasoning enough.

Whether Heip likes the quotes or not is basically irrelevant to me, and frankly arguing that i'm misquoting them as scumplay is just dumb.

Yeah, I get that, your vote seemed fine to me. I was talking about you asking Heip why they used the word 'accusation', and I don't see a problem with them using the word

[Merlyn]

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Hey, have you played with Alessia as scum before? I haven't yet, but I think she's talented, enough that her scumplay could look like her townplay.

It is true that I have only seen scumAltoona in a hydra so I don't really have their scum game down(but I should probably look at that game again to see something in there hat can help), but I always get a transparency from their town game that I feel would be hard to fake if scum. Not gonna hard defend her per se, just I don't see much that tells me she is scum here.

I do vibe with this take, even if my tinfoil hat always wants to challenge her to a thunderdome

[Merlyn]

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

What's happening? I feel all the things Drew says are...reasonable and right?

[Merlyn]

Yeah, I get that, your vote seemed fine to me. I was talking about you asking Heip why they used the word 'accusation', and I don't see a problem with them using the word

Why do you not want to have Heip address the way that it was worded?

Also weird that you doing this at a minor part of what the whole post was, and my main point was using the word Accusation like it was used, kind of implies that it's a current part of my argument against Heip (Heip refers to the rest of my current arguments at the same time)

You may think that just saying that Accusation is the correct word to use clears this up, but it really doesn't.

Heip can addresss whatever they want, but you're not having a conversation in a void. I didn't (and still don't) think that was a good question that you asked, but I wanted to see if it was just a wording thing on your part.

[Merlyn]

re:read- If you're saying I'm messing with you building a case I'll back off

[Merlyn]

Accordion

[Merlyn]

@Imaginality- I'm rereading your case on drew in 169, and what did you mean to link to when you said you liked the case for Drew in 146?

Typo, I meant 148 about Drew already discussing multiple possibilities for associatives.

Point to where I said they could be partners please.

This discredit attempt is unlike you.....Io sono deluso.

"going out of your way" implies strong intent to me.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

See, that would be the

other

interpretation but I though you were sr'ing heip?

This makes me think Drew and Ircher aren't scumbuddies because I don't think scum!Drew would call out scum!Ircher for wk-ing town!Heip.

Okay, that makes sense to me. I kind of like this reasoning, but are you concerned that Drew and Bianco are your main sr's but it's Bianco's argument against Drew that you're using to make your case?

[Merlyn]

There always is a 'plausible' explanation when someone has some heat on them. And why shouldn't a newer player be given a free pass just because they are new?

You are contradicting yourself in this very post, you are just saying 'nope they are new, no way they can't be scum'.

This isn't wrong, but do you really believe what you're arguing? You're not voting heip or ircher

[Merlyn]

There always is a 'plausible' explanation when someone has some heat on them. And why shouldn't a newer player be given a free pass just because they are new?

You are contradicting yourself in this very post, you are just saying 'nope they are new, no way they can't be scum'.

This isn't wrong, but do you really believe what you're arguing? You're not voting heip or ircher

Consider me voting Ircher in spirit.

I still like my vote on you.

We're not allowed to do gifs, but consider this the text version of the peanut m&m:

(ಠ_ಠ)

[Merlyn]

@hep the mods use something to make the deadline counter dynamic, so no matter what page you see it on it's always ticking down to the correct time

[Merlyn]

Drew, you think Ircher is scummy bc of they way they defended heip, yes? The implication being that they're sticking their neck out for their scumbuddy. But you say you think it's me and Ircher together as scum. So how does that add up?

[Merlyn]

Drew, you think Ircher is scummy bc of they way they defended heip, yes? The implication being that they're sticking their neck out for their scumbuddy. But you say you think it's me and Ircher together as scum. So how does that add up?

Mhm, no, and we've gone over this point already; 249, 251.

Drew, you look different today! Is it your hair?

[Merlyn]

ah, the patented "voting Merlyn for vibes" vote that's happened so much in this game.

[Merlyn]

ah, the patented "voting Merlyn for vibes" vote that's happened so much in this game.

Don't like being caught for the wrong reasons?

Not gonna answer the question, huh?

[Merlyn]

What I can't get about it is that it didn't come from you. I like the explanation, but two other players provided it for you. I was interested to see if you'd come up with your own answer or just let them do the explaining for you.

[Merlyn]

Okay, here's my current reads:

Spoiler: beware of the wall!

Ceejay- I like their posts a lot- I like the way they look for things they find strange and use their vote to pressure.

Jason- I haven’t learned to read Jason well yet, he’s got a very good scumgame. But I’m going with town for little things, like shutting down an extraneous convo that sprung up between him and Drew instead of letting it distract from scumhunting.

Bianco- there is a ton of what I think of as ‘hole-poking’ posts, where someone pokes holes in another persons thought process. I actually like it when people do this, but it’s probably worth noting that there’s not a lot of real case building on their own.

Drew- ugh, I haven’t learned to read Drew yet either. I feel like he’s sliding by piggybacking on other people’s opinions, but I’ve seen him down this as town too.

Imaginality- 5 posts, null read

Aliana- All posts are about mech or jokes until page 6. Page 7 is the first scumhunting, it’s on me and she’s stuck with it. Could it be town who’s just feeling convinced they’ve solved early? Yes, of course, but that’s not my usual take on how Aliana works. Usually there’s a ton of hesitancy and questioning her own reads. This might be scum flying under the radar here

Heip- they’re new, and I think it’s so easy to let scumtells slip by bc experienced players are too generous with their townreads. I think they could be scum, who, with a litte coaching from a partner, has righted the ship.

Ircher- so here’s something interesting- 15 of Irchers 28 posts are about or related to heip. I was kind leaning towards ‘overgenerous experienced player who is trying to help someone new’ but after I read all the posts in succession like that I swung towards trying to save a partner.

So yeah, VOTE: Ircher

[Merlyn]

Well, I had a feeling it was leading up to this so I'm glad I got the readlist out while I could. Good luck town! I'm kind of excited to see if anything happens in the box lol

[Merlyn]

Anagram, if I still exist in the spirit plane, I WiLl TrY aNd SpEaK tO yOu FrOm ThE BoOoOoX

[Merlyn]

(Im kidding just to be clear, I'm not listing a future action. This game has me paranoid)

[Merlyn]

that was incredible

[Merlyn]

Well, I .....good game town??

[Merlyn]

give em 24 hours and then release if no response?