Micro 1084 | Quantum Mafia | Game Over

[biancospino]

Point to where I said they could be partners please.

This discredit attempt is unlike you.....Io sono deluso.

"going out of your way" implies strong intent to me.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

See, that would be the

other

interpretation but I though you were sr'ing heip?

Also Italian is usally pro-drop, the subject pronoun (

Io

in this case) generally can, and should, be dropped

(thou there are some rare exceptions)

[Doctor Drew]

Point to where I said they could be partners please.

This discredit attempt is unlike you.....Io sono deluso.

"going out of your way" implies strong intent to me.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

See, that would be the

other

interpretation but I though you were sr'ing heip?

Also Italian is usally pro-drop, the subject pronoun (

Io

in this case) generally can, and should, be dropped

(thou there are some rare exceptions)

I never really was scum reading Heip to hard, just an early vibe vote to see where it goes........and then

Jesus

Ircher took the wheel.

And I used google translate, my apologies lol.

[Aliana]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

Regardless of Ircher's read on heip, I thought that was a good question to be asking because really, where was the agenda?

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

That piece wasn't so much a response to you as it was a general comment about the question.

I mean, they were lead wagon for a bit and there are definitely things to question in the push on them.
But I also kind of get what you mean with how many of their posts are doing that, and combined with the fact they haven't said they TR heip...
(wow, Alisha, make up your mind already!)

[Doctor Drew]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

Regardless of Ircher's read on heip, I thought that was a good question to be asking because really, where was the agenda?

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

That piece wasn't so much a response to you as it was a general comment about the question.

I mean, they were lead wagon for a bit and there are definitely things to question in the push on them.
But I also kind of get what you mean with how many of their posts are doing that, and combined with the fact they haven't said they TR heip...
(wow, Alisha, make up your mind already!)

Do you not know how to spell your own name?

It is Aliana.....so weird.

[Aliana]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

Regardless of Ircher's read on heip, I thought that was a good question to be asking because really, where was the agenda?

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

That piece wasn't so much a response to you as it was a general comment about the question.

I mean, they were lead wagon for a bit and there are definitely things to question in the push on them.
But I also kind of get what you mean with how many of their posts are doing that, and combined with the fact they haven't said they TR heip...
(wow, Alisha, make up your mind already!)

Do you not know how to spell your own name?

It is Aliana.....so weird.

No, you misspelled it so many times that I forgot how.

[Doctor Drew]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

Regardless of Ircher's read on heip, I thought that was a good question to be asking because really, where was the agenda?

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

That piece wasn't so much a response to you as it was a general comment about the question.

I mean, they were lead wagon for a bit and there are definitely things to question in the push on them.
But I also kind of get what you mean with how many of their posts are doing that, and combined with the fact they haven't said they TR heip...
(wow, Alisha, make up your mind already!)

Do you not know how to spell your own name?

It is Aliana.....so weird.

No, you misspelled it so many times that I forgot how.

This is a total misrep.

Tell me where.

[biancospino]

I never really was scum reading Heip to hard, just an early vibe vote to see where it goes........and then

Jesus

Ircher took the wheel.

Oh, I see, so you are suggesting WK'ing.

You don't like Merlyn and Ircher for uncompatible reasons that both depend on heip's flip, namely 141 and 249 (and also me, as per 90 and 180 but I digress). Seem like you should be interested in seeing his flip

[Doctor Drew]

I never really was scum reading Heip to hard, just an early vibe vote to see where it goes........and then

Jesus

Ircher took the wheel.

Oh, I see, so you are suggesting WK'ing.

You don't like Merlyn and Ircher for uncompatible reasons that both depend on heip's flip, namely 141 and 249 (and also me, as per 90 and 180 but I digress). Seem like you should be interested in seeing his flip

This reads like you want to lim Heip.

I voted them, saw reactions to my vote, and then went from their.

You are the one making assumptions based off all this.

And I already literally said Ircher is WK'ing Heip.

[biancospino]

This reads like you want to lim Heip.

yes

[Merlyn]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

Well, it's kind of dramatic to frame it as an accusation but essentially it's true though, right? You're accusing them of being scum though, right? You used the quotes to explain why you started scum reading them.

Merlyn, just a reminder that this was my reasoning for a vote on Page 4, when we were basically in RVS, i don't need a lot of reason to make a real vote, and i think what i quoted was reasoning enough.

Whether Heip likes the quotes or not is basically irrelevant to me, and frankly arguing that i'm misquoting them as scumplay is just dumb.

Yeah, I get that, your vote seemed fine to me. I was talking about you asking Heip why they used the word 'accusation', and I don't see a problem with them using the word

[Merlyn]

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Hey, have you played with Alessia as scum before? I haven't yet, but I think she's talented, enough that her scumplay could look like her townplay.

It is true that I have only seen scumAltoona in a hydra so I don't really have their scum game down(but I should probably look at that game again to see something in there hat can help), but I always get a transparency from their town game that I feel would be hard to fake if scum. Not gonna hard defend her per se, just I don't see much that tells me she is scum here.

I do vibe with this take, even if my tinfoil hat always wants to challenge her to a thunderdome

[Merlyn]

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

What's happening? I feel all the things Drew says are...reasonable and right?

[JasonWazza]

Yeah, I get that, your vote seemed fine to me. I was talking about you asking Heip why they used the word 'accusation', and I don't see a problem with them using the word

Why do you not want to have Heip address the way that it was worded?

Also weird that you doing this at a minor part of what the whole post was, and my main point was using the word Accusation like it was used, kind of implies that it's a current part of my argument against Heip (Heip refers to the rest of my current arguments at the same time)

You may think that just saying that Accusation is the correct word to use clears this up, but it really doesn't.

[Merlyn]

Yeah, I get that, your vote seemed fine to me. I was talking about you asking Heip why they used the word 'accusation', and I don't see a problem with them using the word

Why do you not want to have Heip address the way that it was worded?

Also weird that you doing this at a minor part of what the whole post was, and my main point was using the word Accusation like it was used, kind of implies that it's a current part of my argument against Heip (Heip refers to the rest of my current arguments at the same time)

You may think that just saying that Accusation is the correct word to use clears this up, but it really doesn't.

Heip can addresss whatever they want, but you're not having a conversation in a void. I didn't (and still don't) think that was a good question that you asked, but I wanted to see if it was just a wording thing on your part.

[Merlyn]

re:read- If you're saying I'm messing with you building a case I'll back off

[ceejayvinoya]

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

Could you elaborate more on why you think his behavior here is suspicious enough for the vote?

It's one of those posts that look productive and long, but in actuality don't have a lot of content

Dunno what you're talking about. It feels significantly better than mechanics talk and shows us how he does reads. This feels like a pretty sincere newbie town play o me.

There are a couple of interesting things here that shows town motivation like his attempt to read me from my previous games and the difference on his reads between Doctor and Jason.

He doesn't even scumread you on this post. It says "neutral" which is normal for a low post count?

VOTE: Merlyn

[ceejayvinoya]

There was a vibe I was getting so I voted them, felt like it was better than to just say they are hitting me in he vibes. I am not searching partners per se as well, but I found it interesting that Bianco had an issue with a couple votes in Heip.

And Merlyn's unvote of heip most certainly could come from scum, especially if they didn't realize they put them at E-1.

I know as town, even after realizing it was E-1, I would probably keep my vote there.

So you're finding heip's answers to be scummy? I personally have them in the 'keep an eye on, but move on for now' box

I kind of like this push tho...

[ceejayvinoya]

Let me clear here in case I'm not: I'm not personally hurt or something. It always pings me when I see folks who post things that are worded in a misleading way. It's a good way to control the narrative as the game evolves.

That's a wierdly defensive stance, I don't think anybody was afraid you were hurt personally? That sounds a way out of proportion thing to mention

This too. The way Merlyn reacted there is a bit much for a nullread for me.

[ceejayvinoya]

This one concerns me the most. Saying you had 3 posts and that the posts gave little information is not shade, it's just a fact. He didn't even scumread you for it or imply that your low post count was scummy. The vote feels a little defensive.

It is shade bc it's completely out of context. It reads like I'm lurking. The missing context is that the game had opened literally less than one day ago, I slept 8 hours of that 21 hours and still posted 3 times. It wasn't possible to give any information bc the posts till that point are RVS and game mech theory.

Let me clear here in case I'm not: I'm not personally hurt or something. It always pings me when I see folks who post things that are worded in a misleading way. It's a good way to control the narrative as the game evolves.

I think you're reading too much into it. They made reads on the entire playerlist, what were they going to say about you other than "neutral, no info"?
I really don't see how that post was painting you as lurking or trying to control the narrative about you, and it seems strange to me to imply that it is.

VOTE: Merlyn

Kind of nice to see someone else's thoughts go on a similar way to mine regarding Merlyn

[ceejayvinoya]

Update: 109 is making more sense than it was before, please hold while I have an existential crisis over my reads.

Fwiw, Jason is a player that will be town to me until something jumps out at me. Even though he burned us as scum once, I want to believe that power can help town even more, plus I recently subbed into his town slot recently(as you know), so I feel I was able to see how the sausage is made.

This one concerns me the most. Saying you had 3 posts and that the posts gave little information is not shade, it's just a fact. He didn't even scumread you for it or imply that your low post count was scummy. The vote feels a little defensive.

It is shade bc it's completely out of context. It reads like I'm lurking. The missing context is that the game had opened literally less than one day ago, I slept 8 hours of that 21 hours and still posted 3 times. It wasn't possible to give any information bc the posts till that point are RVS and game mech theory.

Let me clear here in case I'm not: I'm not personally hurt or something. It always pings me when I see folks who post things that are worded in a misleading way. It's a good way to control the narrative as the game evolves.

I think you're reading too much into it. They made reads on the entire playerlist, what were they going to say about you other than "neutral, no info"?
I really don't see how that post was painting you as lurking or trying to control the narrative about you, and it seems strange to me to imply that it is.

VOTE: Merlyn

I might be reading too much into it, but I didn't imply anything, I flat out said that the post was doing those things and I pointed out why. We can not agree on it, but thinking it's strange that I brought it up is a bit much.

I don't like when Mommy and Mommy fight.

Except that one is bad VOTE: Merlyn

Pre Edit: I feel you wanted to make sure the wagon had traction, didn't realize it was a E-1 vote, and then got scared of the optics of it.

This vote sort of rubs me the wrong way.

Maybe I'll figure out why later with some sleep.

VOTE: Drew

[ceejayvinoya]

Heip, are you new to mafia?

Could have asked this a little earlier but I like this post

[ceejayvinoya]

Probably get myself too eager to reply to posts without thinking. Anyway, here goes the reply to your questions on me.

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

What I would like to see is the kind doctor following through with this.

I mainly plan on it, especially since overall trying to mech talk through a bastard game is pretty foolish.

Also heip, are you Demona?

Nope,

(or I will be accused by the admins of using secret alt accounts lol)

Atfer reading her iso of the demon mafia, I have a feeling she has a similar playstyle with me, that is,
a) Be keen on early game setup research
b) Actively posting half-screen walls
c) And rather poor at defending?

UNVOTE:

on't be throwing shade for 'low post count'

That's why neutral, isn't it?

The neutral part is fine, it was the shade you wrote after that irked me

I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what?

What I mean by considering myself scummy is that looking at myself's ISO, and spectate myself, I don't consider me playing towny. Really. So I mean the voters on me may not be scums trying to push me off and have their reasons and I ACCEPT.

What have you done that you, when re-reading your posts, don't consider playing towny?

Hmmm, probably I should apologize for my bad wording skills. What I mean here is that your posts before 45 is kind of 'prod dodge' and I expected a town posting something related to the setup discussion while you are online. Anyway, considering your meta (which refers to a short poster), so I'm fine with that.

And about viewing myself as somehow scummy at that point, somehow, I couldn't recall exactly why I thought about it. Probably I kind of panicked when all of you were pressuring me (who's a newbie that have only completed 2 games) . Sometimes, I have a bad habit of taking most of the accusations on me and thought 'emmm, I did made scumtell and yes, you're right' because I am quite poor at wording and have trouble picking the correct word (eg: the 'sacrifice') so that should be the case.

I'ma be honest, i also agree with Drew that this feels like a Heip/Bianco game.

That's probably way too easy, but that's what it feels like.

Alas, that is too easy

Unluckily, I can say, it is not. Tbh, i don't think a Scum!heipizhu would try to perform like my earth spinny d1 lol.

heipizhu4 mentions he is new in this post.

lol I skimmed this one and missed it too

[imaginality]

@Imaginality- I'm rereading your case on drew in 169, and what did you mean to link to when you said you liked the case for Drew in 146?

Typo, I meant 148 about Drew already discussing multiple possibilities for associatives.

Point to where I said they could be partners please.

This discredit attempt is unlike you.....Io sono deluso.

"going out of your way" implies strong intent to me.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.

See, that would be the

other

interpretation but I though you were sr'ing heip?

This makes me think Drew and Ircher aren't scumbuddies because I don't think scum!Drew would call out scum!Ircher for wk-ing town!Heip.

[JasonWazza]

I'd probably be more organized and less on the fence about my reads. It's easier to do that when I'm informed and have a scum agenda.
The thing about mimicking my townplay is that there are tendencies I can't help having as town that are either difficult (like the transparency) or suboptimal (like lacking confidence in my reads and feeling like I have no clue what I'm doing) to fake when playing to a scum wincon, at least to the degree that I sometimes do those things as town. If I were going to mimic my townplay, I'd probably be looking at the games where I got UTRed and died N1, where I didn't just look like town!me but also like town in general. Not doing whatever the heck I'm doing now lol.
It is hard to say though when I'm not actually in that position. Also depends on who my buddy is and how they want to play it.

I honestly slept on this and am still not entirely sure how i feel about this Self Meta, it feels like Atlantis making a real take, but it also feels like it's just wrong at the same time.

That said it is definitely pinging me as town.

UNVOTE: Aliana
VOTE: heipizhu4

[JasonWazza]

re:read- If you're saying I'm messing with you building a case I'll back off

not really messing with a case, but messing with me getting a response from Heip, generally if part of the argument is semantics i'd prefer that the person being addressed is the first to respond and actually explain their wording.