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Town died in one of my past Lucky games (been 4-5 months though) before they had a chance to say what role they discarded, and thus Scum was able to really easily fakeclaim without needing verification that said role actually existed. Here, with claims they'd be pigeonholed into fakeclaiming within a pool of claimed submissions.
I had no intention of claiming submissions until I saw that claiming scum submission plus perhaps more worked in a past game I didn't participate in.
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Post #49 (isolation #6) » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:06 pm
Postby Shinobi »
I'm okay with this new wagon. I can also point out that Anatole doesn't even believe that Who is scum, but still thinks it's okay to do all the things Jackel listed.
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Post #56 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:39 pm
Postby Shinobi »
Why the fuck are people only concerned with getting voted?
Everyone seems totally happy to let the thread stagnate and nobody wants to do more in terms of RVS or promote conversation. Siveure, why don't you care about anything other than being voted?
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Post #67 (isolation #13) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:29 am
Postby Shinobi »
I've already admitted that I made a mistake by voting you. I misread the thread and I moved my vote when I saw the mistake I made. I don't know how you can just pin my mistake as "clear scum motivation" when there's another possible explanation. Something else I don't understand is why you voted me specifically over Jackel, where you said:
In post 52, Anatole Kuragin wrote:I'll believe that Jackel is incapable of counting - but Shinobi has no excuse.
Theoretically, Jackel made either the same mistake that I did by misreading the thread, or is actually guilty of the aforementioned fabricated reasoning. Yet, for some reason, you arbitrarily let her go because you think she "can't count." What gives?
And I don't see what the problem is with classifying all of my votes thus far as RVS. If you honestly believe I was pushing for a lynch that early in the game, then you are simply mistaken. I saw what looked like a sensible early wagon, and moved my vote when I realized that it wasn't actually sensible.
In post 67, Shinobi wrote:I've already admitted that I made a mistake by voting you. I misread the thread and I moved my vote when I saw the mistake I made. I don't know how you can just pin my mistake as "clear scum motivation" when there's another possible explanation. Something else I don't understand is why you voted me specifically over Jackel, where you said:
In post 52, Anatole Kuragin wrote:I'll believe that Jackel is incapable of counting - but Shinobi has no excuse.
Theoretically, Jackel made either the same mistake that I did by misreading the thread, or is actually guilty of the aforementioned fabricated reasoning. Yet, for some reason, you arbitrarily let her go because you think she "can't count." What gives?
And I don't see what the problem is with classifying all of my votes thus far as RVS. If you honestly believe I was pushing for a lynch that early in the game, then you are simply mistaken. I saw what looked like a sensible early wagon, and moved my vote when I realized that it wasn't actually sensible.
It's harder to buy "RVS" as an excuse when you're putting a stacked vote out without even reading the case you're supporting. Jackel miscalculated and you just sheeped it without being buggered to look. The latter looks worse.
What makes you so sure that Jackel can be the only one who miscalculated? You're assuming I didn't look, and I went and got it wrong twice.
You don't think any of my responses to anything were reasonable?
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Post #97 (isolation #15) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:17 pm
Postby Shinobi »
In post 96, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:The discrepancy's my fault for not being clear. I picked the role that screws with kings, which is hero, not kingmaker.
Kaboom, your reasoning of me being scum is just silly. Like wtf. Why the hell would I even fake my SCUM role submission? And also, doing it before basically EVERYONE else in the thread... this line of thought makes literally no sense. The correct answer to "siv's post here is weird" is I ACTUALLY jumbled up which of the alien psychos did what and which I'd submitted, not that it was some elaborate scum plan.
VOTE: kaboom
So you think he's scum because he said you're scum? Cool. I'm pretty sure this is actually a scum reaction.
@kaboom: My three submissions were Mafia Dayvig, Town Dayvig, and Town Jack-of-all-Trades. So three dayvigs. There's no discrepancy there.
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Post #101 (isolation #18) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:40 pm
Postby Shinobi »
In post 100, Jackel98 wrote:Well, I'd like to claim my role now, because it'd only end up hurting town in the end. I'm a black goo. Don't hide behind me, protect me, inspect me, or vig me. I also asked the mod, and NKing counts as an action against me, meaning if I'm NK'd, whoever NKs me becomes a cultist.
This is likely a town claim. A scum claiming black goo would be an opportunistic claim, but it runs the risk of getting counterclaimed and lynched. The claim without provocation really helps, so let's just wait and see if Jackel helps us run some scum lynches.
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Post #108 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:22 pm
Postby Shinobi »
Well that happened.
Also, if there's a claimed black goo in play, we could just not take any action at night. We still have the power of the lynch on our side and I already have like 4 townreads.
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Post #113 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:47 pm
Postby Shinobi »
Because there's a possible redirector in play that could make us all target you.
Also, Oka thought claiming his role would be a good thing to promote discussion. Unless it actually benefits town, I see no reason for him to claim "to promote discussion." If he wants to discuss things, he can come up with reads on the more prominent players, which he has yet to actually do.
And it appears he's doing nothing. So that's out the window.
Moving on, Siv should be the lynch today. I think a guaranteed scum lynch is far and away better than a lynch that may or may not prevent cult conversions.
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Post #178 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:47 pm
Postby Shinobi »
In post 168, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:And thats the reason you don't lynch me. The game doesn't end in one day with my win or a town win (unless It's 1v8), so like, at least check if I'm gonna work with town.
Who thought I was the werewolf, who thought I wasn't and who didn't care what scum I was?
I thought you were the safest lynch for the day. I actually thought Anatole was a lyncher, so I figured leaving him alone and coming back to him later would've been fine, especially when I had my check.
