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This game just started and wanted to start by asking some questions about the last instance the "dual world" mechanic was used by players in last iteration.
Do you think this mechanic made town want to mislynch on certain days to get other role card knowledge and then work towards that card?
Since the mechanic only works if we mislynch, how optimal would you consider no lynching?
I will try to eventually take a look at the other game usage of the mechanic, but the thing sounds semi-random kind of bastardish.
I wonder from a host standpoint is there any point in not giving players both role cards at start? Besides players obviously possibly outing that they are scum in the other world and hurting their own chances in that version.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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@Mod Can I ask does this mean that we can win in one world and the game continues in the other? Essentially possible to win twice, lose twice, or win once and twice?Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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At this point in my mafia career btw I don't intend to ever use RVS on this account again.
So not participating in that.
The one who sticks out to me the most right now out of RVS is Xkyfu but its just his very relaxed nature, but this is early/rvs so that usually means nothing.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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Very standard answer.In post 30, Ircher wrote:*raises hand*.
@Fire - No Lynching and/or mislynching will hurt town, so it's better we just kynch who we think are scum.
You don't think it would make more strategic sense to focus on one earth at a time at all?
Mislynching causes the game to essentially reset and we lose focus of Earth 1.
We will come back to it, but it will be harder as people will mix motivations of Earth 1 and 2 when they could be very different alignments.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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You assume all kills succeed though, and last version of this game had town protectives in both earths.In post 32, Ircher wrote:Ah, good point.
If we have more players, it might be a viable strategy, but we don't. We're only 2 MLs away from LyLo and I don't think No Lynch is really worth it.
Not to mention we can get a guilty result possibly on a player with any investigatives.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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I think I said possible investigations and for a flip without us going into the alternate earth.In post 38, TellTaleHeart wrote:Every time you surrender a lynch, you're trading EV for ~something.~ What is the ~something~?
In the DC iteration of this game, there was a no lynch the first day on Earth 2 because of gladiator shenanigans. I don't think it helped town there.
What is your point?
My idea here is if I don't have a strong enough read day 1 to believe it will be scum, I am not compromising lynching.
I want to not transfer to other earth until this place is cleared of scum.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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I don't agree.In post 41, TellTaleHeart wrote:
My point is that the cost is more than the benefit here.In post 40, Fire Assassin wrote:I think I said possible investigations and for a flip without us going into the alternate earth.
What is your point?
Hi Carol or Sheryl, I am your supervisor.In post 42, TellTaleHeart wrote:
You're not my supervisor!In post 39, Ircher wrote:TTH, join the RVS wagon for the lolz!Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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My point on that matter is that players will confuse their reads accross the earths. For example I will townread you for things you do on this earth and then associate that with Earth 2. It makes everything more complex. No lynching can be good if you don't have a good scumread. I am just telling you all, a compromise lynch at the end of the day isn't the best.In post 53, Alabaska J wrote:Seems inherently worse than playing two micros simultaneously that give you plenty of information about each other
And day 1s meta as of late, is to do a horrible compromise lynch and the success rate on lynching scum is very low for that.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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You keep notes?In post 56, Xkfyu wrote:You should keep better notes
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Don't like this post.In post 124, Clumsy wrote:So you think TTH is town because of the dialog with Alabaska, but not Alabaska? What's the reason behind it?
Town right now:
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So 2 people I have no thoughts even as a null.
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I have been moving....In post 130, Ircher wrote:kinda died down is a bit weird, but understandable cuz weekend and apathy and low activity thread.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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In post 130, Ircher wrote:Fire --> Neutral Leaning Town --> Some good introductory questions albeit theory-related; this got the game going for awhile and Fire was able to come up for reasonable reasons why he thought 1 way or another even if I do fundamentally disagree with them. The lack of participation after the theory stuff kinda died down is a bit weird, but understandable cuz weekend and apathy and low activity thread.
Lilith --> Leaning Scum --> Has barely done anything in this game. Has yet to provide any actual reads or thoughts despite promised sing to do so.In post 131, Ircher wrote:Clumsy --> Leaning Scum --> Has contributed only very slightly more than Lilith; no evidence of actually trying to scumhunt being seen.
PantherPunt --> Null Leaning Scum --> Practically non-existent in the thread.
Xk --> Neutral Leaning Town --> Seems engaged in the game, but not posting enough; hard to get a confident read on currently.
Should I be concerned at all your reads seemed to be mirror copy of mine but with actual reasons posted?In post 132, Ircher wrote:Alabaska --> Null leaning Town --> ISO is 100% RVS/Theory; while not a bad thing necessarily, Alabaska doesn't seem to necessarily be trying to scumhunt either. I'm thinking town though cuz of the depth of responses, but it's hard to tell atm.
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Want to tell me what game this is your referring too?In post 136, Clumsy wrote:Lillith, looks like we're scum together again.
Fire, I can understand that you don't have much on Panther, but you don't have a read at all on Xk? They've posted the 3rd most so far.
Also based on this little statement going to say I am probably wrong about one.
Already was thinking based on the actions of Ircher my reads must be offbased, my reads are rarely aligned with Ircher so it felt weird we agreed on a lot.
Still trying to figure out why.
Also Xky feels slouching this game, he doesn't feel like his normal self to me. I would normally call that scummy, but I think its just circumstances and not anything alignment indicative.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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It implies that the dialog between the two should be interpreted as both are town, when thats not how I read it either. I got TTH town more than anything from Alabaska, and I would assume anyone who was reading that would get a similar assumption if they were trying to understand and read into them. He just assumes both should be read as town or something?In post 147, lilith2013 wrote:
What don't you like about it?In post 128, Fire Assassin wrote:
Don't like this post.In post 124, Clumsy wrote:So you think TTH is town because of the dialog with Alabaska, but not Alabaska? What's the reason behind it?
It was odd.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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My read on you has nothing to do with activity actually, did you read Ircher posts and believe we had same reasoning?In post 141, lilith2013 wrote:The first dual universe game.
Being inactive isn't alignment indicative and I don't understand why you or Ircher would think it is.
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So what kind of reasoning were you hoping to find?In post 155, Clumsy wrote:I purposefully left my opinion out of it. I'm not saying I think Alabaska is town, I'm actually agreeing with you here that I like TTH for town more than Alabaska for the moment. The only assumption being made is the one you made. I can see how it comes off that way though, but no. Just asking for reasoning.
If you came to same conclusions, what was the point of the question.
In before this was a reaction test.
You got to same conclusions that person got, but you questioned why he didn't get to Alabaska as town, even though you didn't get any of that yourself.
It sounds like bad questioning at best and scum trying to lk busy at worst.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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Theres I believe 2 other people who said they didn't like Lilith and or Clumsy. Yet I am the only one voting either of them.
Instead you have Alabaska wagon that is pretty horrible imo, since I don't think pressuring him will give us much info.
And ircher which is a bad wagon, and has my number one scumread on it.
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Blaming? What do you mean by that.In post 166, lilith2013 wrote:You should be taking issue with Ircher for scumreading both me AND Clumsy and voting a null-townread instead. Instead you are blaming ??? while still townreading Ircher. How does that even make sense?
I believe Ircher is a vanity/possible VI wagon. He gets wagoned literally every game I have ever played with him.
SO you pushing that.
Looks scummy or suspect. He is an easy push for any scum player.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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He is more likely town based on circumstances of everyone not liking his posts and suspecting him massively.In post 170, lilith2013 wrote:
Well you seem to be blamingIn post 168, Fire Assassin wrote:
Blaming? What do you mean by that.In post 166, lilith2013 wrote:You should be taking issue with Ircher for scumreading both me AND Clumsy and voting a null-townread instead. Instead you are blaming ??? while still townreading Ircher. How does that even make sense?
I believe Ircher is a vanity/possible VI wagon. He gets wagoned literally every game I have ever played with him.
SO you pushing that.
Looks scummy or suspect. He is an easy push for any scum player.someonefor the lack of wagon on me and Clumsy - I don't know who you're trying to blame - but it isn't Ircher, who is the one person who is supposedly scumreading both of the people you think are scum and yet is not voting either of them. And somehow you are still townreading him. For what reason?
I don't have a strong personal read on him, I lean town because this is what I feel is similar to town games of him and circumstances of this wagon on him.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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4 equals nearly 50% of the players.In post 172, lilith2013 wrote:I don't know Ircher's meta.
There are 3 people on his wagon and one more person possibly scumreading him, that's not "everyone."
Either way, theres more than 4 people who seem to be slightly pushing Ircher regardless if there are votes on him.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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Good vote, want to go into it anymore?
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No I am saying theres no reason to question someone if you agree with them on something unless you believe they are just forcing that agreement on you.In post 176, Clumsy wrote:So you're saying that trying to follow someone's reasoning and understanding their thought process is bad because I agree with them? Just because I hold a similar opinion does not mean that person is automatically town. I'm not going to tip my hand first when questioning.
For instance, say I go into a game and townread X
Then somene says 'OHh I townread X to, but why do you townread him?" I say, well look at this engagement.
They say "Yes, I thought that was town too, but why?"
ALl of this seems fluffy.
I ask questions on people to see why we have different thoughts, and to see if their opinions are sheeping my own. Not to see why they agree with me when they were the first to point something out.
If the engagement went. You townread TTH but don't think Alabaska was town, and then someone agrees with you. Then questioning them makes sense.
Not doing that and just questioning them seems like filler fake scumhunting.
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Do you often approach the game questioning someones reads when they are similar to yours?In post 179, Clumsy wrote:I don't think I agree with that. It's not about the read being the same, but the reason, especially depending on your read on the person agreeing with you. Scum knows who town is. If they can't come up with a good reason on their reads, that's a red flag. It may seem fluffy to you, but that's how I'm trying to figure things out on page... eight now? We haven't had a whole lot of interaction yet.
I read the interactions, i read the players read on it, and I agreed with them and I had a deeper reasoning than what they posted, but I didn't think it needed clarification if they had that same reasoning.
I am trying to understand what the purpose is for you to question a read that you have is similar.
Did you think the player was making up reads?
I am nt seeing a purpose of questioning it. It seemed like the least questionable thing on that page right now.
And you saying "we haven't had a whole lot of interaction" is right, but the way you went about trying to generate content looked like busy work, not scumhunting.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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I always consider that as a possibility. Have you played with me?In post 182, Xkfyu wrote:
Ever consider that you're the one who is wrong?In post 165, Fire Assassin wrote:Theres I believe 2 other people who said they didn't like Lilith and or Clumsy. Yet I am the only one voting either of them.
Instead you have Alabaska wagon that is pretty horrible imo, since I don't think pressuring him will give us much info.
And ircher which is a bad wagon, and has my number one scumread on it.
This should change.
Yes, and you have hydraed with me.Nice vote.
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You have played with me in maybe 1 or 2 games, and you pretend like you know me.In post 199, PantherPunt wrote:personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum
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game is here:In post 197, PantherPunt wrote:In post 64, lilith2013 wrote:I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.
That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.@lilith
have you played a dual world mechanic before where you were scum in world 1 and town in world 2? can you link it please?
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I play this alt to play a different style.....someone in this game even said that to you.In post 206, PantherPunt wrote:
some turbos at MU too. I think I have a feel for your playstyle. not pretending I know you.In post 204, Fire Assassin wrote:
You have played with me in maybe 1 or 2 games, and you pretend like you know me.In post 199, PantherPunt wrote:personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum
WHats the deal here?
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My partner?In post 209, PantherPunt wrote:your partner McMenno, I believe it was, ya?Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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That we were a couple?In post 211, PantherPunt wrote:
what on Earth could I be implying?!?In post 210, Fire Assassin wrote:
My partner?In post 209, PantherPunt wrote:your partner McMenno, I believe it was, ya?
He always lurks in games.In post 212, PantherPunt wrote:if you have daychat tell him to stop lurking and answer my questions plz
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Odd, I can probably see it though if I squint really hard.In post 214, PantherPunt wrote:
Today.In post 213, Fire Assassin wrote: Can I ask when you started to suspect we were a team?
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He shit posts as both alignments, but its different. I don't know. Its really a gut kind of read. I don't know how to explain it anymore than that.In post 218, PantherPunt wrote:
so it's a meta read based on shitpostingIn post 217, Fire Assassin wrote:He isshit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as townif I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.
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Okay, so whats your thoughts on lilith and Clumsy then?In post 220, PantherPunt wrote:ok well I don't like that read putting him in your top 2. and I'm going to choose to believe it's made up for the time being.
I really WANT to be right that you're a scumteam, and despite my read on him being stronger, logic dictates that I should vote you considering you're either a)scum and your read is made up on a scumbro or b)scum and your read is made up because you have TMI that he's town so you just threw it out there bc you thought a read list looked towny and didn't have to think about faking the thought processNothing is true, everything is permitted
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You didn't nail both.In post 222, PantherPunt wrote:VOTE: Fire Assassin
though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out there
Also what makes you think Mcmenno is scum besides my read related to him?
That seems preflip bad.
And it almost sounds in certain areas you are more confident he is scum than me.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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You are that confident its me and Mcmenno? Really?In post 223, PantherPunt wrote:
?? but town by PoE of you and McMenno being scum- haven't got to any substance posts other than intro and Disney stuff. // and towny independent of my scumreadsIn post 221, Fire Assassin wrote:
Okay, so whats your thoughts on lilith and Clumsy then?In post 220, PantherPunt wrote:ok well I don't like that read putting him in your top 2. and I'm going to choose to believe it's made up for the time being.
I really WANT to be right that you're a scumteam, and despite my read on him being stronger, logic dictates that I should vote you considering you're either a)scum and your read is made up on a scumbro or b)scum and your read is made up because you have TMI that he's town so you just threw it out there bc you thought a read list looked towny and didn't have to think about faking the thought process
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Is that why you still have a vote on him?In post 226, McMenno wrote:they felt a little scummy to me but I am prone to scumreading players like Ircher and they have flipped town a number of times
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Can you stop with the colors, they are kind of an eye sore.In post 229, PantherPunt wrote:In post 224, Fire Assassin wrote:In post 222, PantherPunt wrote:VOTE: Fire Assassin
though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out thereYou didn't nail both.
Also what makes you think Mcmenno is scum besides my read related to him?
That seems preflip bad.
And italmost sounds in certain areas you are more confident he is scum than me.just you then?
the secret lies within my already posted words
admittedly so. and my reads are independent. they just happen to work together at the moment and thought it'd be a fun line to take when you began interacting with me. you haven't done anything to make me feel any better
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You are?In post 228, McMenno wrote:I am voting lilith rn
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Sure it is.In post 235, PantherPunt wrote:
all it takes is a quick click of the ISO buttonIn post 231, Fire Assassin wrote:
You are?In post 228, McMenno wrote:I am voting lilith rn
I swear you were voting Ircher.
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You are getting lynched today, end of story.
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Thats not how confirmation bias.In post 329, Ircher wrote:
It's called confirmation bias. A lot of people don't consider this stuff at first; it's only later that they think about this.In post 244, lilith2013 wrote:
If this is true then why did you push him so hard and scumread him right out of the gate? Shouldn't you have already had this mindset and so approached Ircher without scumreading him for his initial behavior?see, there's a bunch of players that I seem to get a scumread on every game and I can't read them; one of those is ircher. I think I might sort him later
VOTE: lilith
Confirmation bias is searching for evidence to support your theory without letting the content speak for itself.
She says to read you as null for initial behavior then push you to sort you better after your reaction, not understanding that your behvaior is hard to read regardless and pushing won't help.Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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So you would be willing to compromise on lilith then?In post 300, PantherPunt wrote:
I meant come EOD. otherwise we'd be locked into ircher and lilith wagonsIn post 297, lilith2013 wrote:I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.
pedit: you're one of those people
ircher is a fairly strong town read for me
vote mcmenno?
Since ircher isn't even a real possibility.
Nope, we are doing Lilith or Clumsy, but no one is voting clumsy.In post 302, McMenno wrote:fa lynch is not happening today
I am willing to vote ircher over no lynch
Mcmenno is a terrible wagon.In post 303, PantherPunt wrote:
jfc I just saw this unvote on mcmenno so I'm back to a solo voteIn post 289, Clumsy wrote:Responding to prod. Gotta leave for work in about 15 minutes, I'll be back later. Real fast, I like Lilith for town, iffy with TTH (posting kind of reminds me of DC Earth-Two TTH, who was scum), and Ircher's tone seems really off to me. I should be back before deadline though, so for now,
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I want to look more into TTH and Ircher to be specific.
someone vote mcmenno
Where is this coming from?In post 307, Xkfyu wrote:
I would have totally joined you on the FA wagon...In post 300, PantherPunt wrote:
I meant come EOD. otherwise we'd be locked into ircher and lilith wagonsIn post 297, lilith2013 wrote:I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.
pedit: you're one of those people
ircher is a fairly strong town read for me
vote mcmenno?
Your scumreading a playstyle, not actual scum behavior from him.In post 317, PantherPunt wrote:ya take a look at mcmenno iso
not sorting people's alignments.
1) bunch of posts about votes on him
2) talking about ircher then backing off of it when it actually got some traction to vote lilith for some really weak stuff (and has not pushed it or engaged her whatsoever afaict...lilith had to engage)
3) hasn't talked about the majority of the player list
conclusion is scum
Not the Xkyfu I know, this is really suspicious. FoS this guy tomorrow.In post 319, Xkfyu wrote:
Ok, I'm fine with that.In post 317, PantherPunt wrote:ya take a look at mcmenno iso
not sorting people's alignments.
1) bunch of posts about votes on him
2) talking about ircher then backing off of it when it actually got some traction to vote lilith for some really weak stuff (and has not pushed it or engaged her whatsoever afaict...lilith had to engage)
3) hasn't talked about the majority of the player list
conclusion is scum
UNVOTE: Ircher
VOTE: McMenno
ThisIn post 322, Ircher wrote:@Panther --> You also have to consider different playstyles. Ugh... I'll try to work harder on this today if I have the time....Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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Terrible vote, and you are once again on a terrible wagon.
Going to do this all game?Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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8 hours....this would be cutting it close.In post 323, SirCakez wrote:
I still prefer Lilith, TTH anyway I can convince you join me on this?Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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Why are you scumreading me and why are you townreading Lilith?In post 350, Xkfyu wrote:
My willingness to lynch you, and unwillingness to lynch Lilith.In post 333, Fire Assassin wrote:Where is this coming from?Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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Genius this isn't a read this is a discredit which is hilarious because you say all I have done is discredit.In post 358, Xkfyu wrote:
All you've done is call every other wagon that isn't Lilith "bad," when Lilith's wagon is the worst one of all. None of the reasoning that I've seen for voting Lilith stand up to any scrutiny. McMenno doesn't even feel strongly about his case against her. You can tell by the way she had to push him to respond to her responses to his case.In post 351, Fire Assassin wrote:
Why are you scumreading me and why are you townreading Lilith?In post 350, Xkfyu wrote:
My willingness to lynch you, and unwillingness to lynch Lilith.In post 333, Fire Assassin wrote:Where is this coming from?Nothing is true, everything is permitted
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You said I was scum quite a few times, what's up here?In post 375, PantherPunt wrote:So I just read Alabaska again for posterity, Clumsy, and FA. I don't want to lynch any of them. xkfyu is super offlimits
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According to profile he hasn't been online since Friday. This kind of sucks for us all.
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