Micro 715: Friendly Neighbor 6 (Game Over)

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VOTE: Gamma

L1 someone pls hammer

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There's a slight tinge in everyone's heart just to lynch Gamma for the fuck of it

But being serious, it was more of a gambit to end rvs ASAP.

I don't know what to make of the unprovoked claim right now. Knowing Gamma, I honestly doubt they would claim anything other than VT as scum, so my vote stays.

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Alchemist, why doesn't 27 look like frustration to you?

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I'm reading the "Yay I forecast a town loss" differently then.

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There's a slight tinge in everyone's heart just to lynch Gamma for the fuck of it

But being serious, it was more of a gambit to end rvs ASAP.

I don't know what to make of the unprovoked claim right now. Knowing Gamma, I honestly doubt they would claim anything other than VT as scum, so my vote stays.

Why not? I'd think it would make more sense to execute a frustrated PR claim as scum, since the tone of my previous posting would justify it.

Why did you find the need to claim at all?

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So you thought someone would hammer just because I asked them to?

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Why

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There's a slight tinge in everyone's heart just to lynch Gamma for the fuck of it

But being serious, it was more of a gambit to end rvs ASAP.

I don't know what to make of the unprovoked claim right now. Knowing Gamma, I honestly doubt they would claim anything other than VT as scum, so my vote stays.

Do you think scum Gamma claims prior to intent though? The actual claim isn't relevant as much as the timing of it.

Never got an answer to this btw.

I don't. But I also don't like the idea that he really thinks a wagon raced to L1 and there's no scum on it

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There's a slight tinge in everyone's heart just to lynch Gamma for the fuck of it

But being serious, it was more of a gambit to end rvs ASAP.

I don't know what to make of the unprovoked claim right now. Knowing Gamma, I honestly doubt they would claim anything other than VT as scum, so my vote stays.

Do you think scum Gamma claims prior to intent though? The actual claim isn't relevant as much as the timing of it.

Never got an answer to this btw.

I don't. But I also don't like the idea that he really thinks a wagon raced to L1 and there's no scum on it

So are you still voting him because you think he's scum or because you think he's wrong?

I think he is wrong and scum read him as a result

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There's a slight tinge in everyone's heart just to lynch Gamma for the fuck of it

But being serious, it was more of a gambit to end rvs ASAP.

I don't know what to make of the unprovoked claim right now. Knowing Gamma, I honestly doubt they would claim anything other than VT as scum, so my vote stays.

Another question for you, @Flubbernugget. You said you don't think scumgamma would claim anything other than VT but wouldn't towngamma also claim VT in the same situation? They wouldn't want to make themselves a scum target by claiming a PR, right? I don't really see how claiming specifically VT is AI.

Gamma is the kind of person to have issues thinking all the kinks out of a big play, so I wouldn't expect him to lock into a Pr claim and try to wiggle through why he survived the night.

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Hmmm. I seem to have misread your post.

I don't think Gamma would have claimed as town. It was a defensive play.

Do you have any scum reads?

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There's a slight tinge in everyone's heart just to lynch Gamma for the fuck of it

But being serious, it was more of a gambit to end rvs ASAP.

I don't know what to make of the unprovoked claim right now. Knowing Gamma, I honestly doubt they would claim anything other than VT as scum, so my vote stays.

Do you think scum Gamma claims prior to intent though? The actual claim isn't relevant as much as the timing of it.

Never got an answer to this btw.

I don't. But I also don't like the idea that he really thinks a wagon raced to L1 and there's no scum on it

So are you still voting him because you think he's scum or because you think he's wrong?

I think he is wrong and scum read him as a result

wrong =/= scum

Why do you think scumGamma makes that argument and not TownGamma? It feels like you're trying to justify keeping your vote on him instead of tying to critically analyze him.

VOTE: Flubbernugger

I don't have a smoking gun on Gamma but it's pg 4 and everyone else looks town so being wrong about how wagons work is good enough atm

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Hmmm. I seem to have misread your post.

I don't think Gamma would have claimed as town. It was a defensive play.

Do you have any scum reads?

Is this at me or Raya?

Raya

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Hmmm. I seem to have misread your post.

I don't think Gamma would have claimed as town. It was a defensive play.

Do you have any scum reads?

Maybe, but why wouldn't Gamma have claimed as town as well? Whether he is scum or town he was at a risk of being lynched. Both allignments could react defensively to that.

I don't have any scum reads yet. I'm squinting at you and Mariomaker the most at the moment but I don't necessarily read either of you as scum.

If you're a VT your best bet is to act fearless

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@Flubbernugget I'm honestly not following your reasoning for keeping your vote on Gamma. At the moment I see you as the scummiest so I'm putting my vote on you for now.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

You're not following my reasoning to vote Gamma but still using similar reasoning to vote me?

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Voting for the person they see as the scummiest

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The difference being?

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reasoning implies a logic, a train of thought
Justification just is a "this is fair since X"

It would only be fair if it made logical sense

This is such a streeeeeetch it's almost painful

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BTD is probably town

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Reasoning doesn't have to be right

Nor does Justification

You're making Shit up

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He started by voting for Gamma and asking for someone to hammer. At first I didn't think that pointed towards him being scum but after looking back through the thread I feel differently. The part that made me rethink my read on him is that he stated the purpose of his vote was to end rvs asap, which is fine, but from my understanding bringing someone to L-1 during rvs is enough to end it. It was never really explained why he wanted someone to hammer. At that point in the game there was nothing posted that could have been AI so it seemed like they were okay with (or even pushing for) a random vote. I don't see the logic behind that from a town pov.

That's kind of the point. If you do what's expected, the reaction from it is less. Gamma never actually got hammered nor did I actually expect them to. Gamma's reasoning as to why they thought they were getting hammered is pretty bad too.

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I also don't feel that this was addressed well enough. My point was that both towngamma and scumgamma could have reacted defensively to the possibility of being hammered and reacting that way isn't necessarily AI. I don't see how his response addresses that, unless I'm missing something.

Being over defensive is a scum tell. There is not a doubt in my mind that nobody town would have hammered, and if scum hammered town would have been all over them D2.

Town sees this

Scum does not

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Of course I'm going to vote for who I see scummiest but past that similarity I don't really see how our reasoning is similar. Can you explain this more?

That's as far as the similarity goes.

You have yet to refute that everyone else looked town at the time so I'm not sure where else you expected my vote to go.

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Yeah I am.

I'm interested in the Ss and MM votes as we

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I have town reads on most of the active posters which makes them particularly interesting

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17-20 is a really weird turnaround.

Also Mario's last post is rather fence-sitty.

He's not giving any strong opinions.

But he's not giving a reason not to have a strong opinion either; he's just making no effort to read into it.

^ I think this is scumposting.
I'm townreading a good number of players (Draynth, Flubber, Raya) and out of the 5 that remain SS is scummiest.

Three isn't a good number of players

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Because of his votes on people without reasons

Kinda like your vote?

No...

Why do you think voting without reasons is scummy?

This is not what's being said

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VOTE: Danny

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I'm happy with my vote

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Why are you voting for Dany and after he unvoted why are you still happy with your vote on him?

No commitment

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VOTE: Danny

I'm starting to sense a pattern here...

What is it?

I was referring to the fact that this was the 3rd or 4th naked vote in a row, to be honest I thought it was sarcasm at first

I've had two votes the entire game and as of your accusation one of them was explained

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We should all cast just cast naked votes the rest of the game. Then we'll definitely catch the scum, especially if all the votes are just one continuous string of reaction tests. /s

Tell me more about how I never explain my votes

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on a more serious note; i don't like how alchemist is trying to "campaign" against blank votes; it feels like he's trying to look pro-town but I don't see the actual scumhunting there. there isn't much followup on his questions and his push on flubber has been stale for a while
also gut is a perfectly viable method

Look at all of his posts

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What conclusions do you expect? At this point, anyone could be Town or scum. I have weak reads, but not much more. What I choose to analyse is arbitrary because I am rather busy and cannot analyse every post in depth.

Currently, you and Flubbernugget are weak scum reads while Gamma and Raya are weak Town. Most others are near nullish.

like, most of your posts are long and analyzing, but even though I see analysis, I don't see how it affects your reads. If you could post something like "you and Flubbernugget are weak scum reads while Gamma and Raya are weak Town. Most others are near nullish.", I think that would help with trying to read you.
(Also, I'm pretty much confirmed town. )

Raya are weak Town. Most others are near nullish.

Can you explain your Raya read? I have her as leaning Town, but one reason I had I realized was NAI and the other reason may be as well. I'd like to know if you're seeing something more substantial from her.

I did a double take, congrats, well played.

And mfw BTD6 has a weak scumread on the claimed FN

(inb4 it's JK setup and Mario is scum gambiting hard)

Why are you both shunning and entertaining BTD's scum read?

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Since your voting me you must think I'm scummier than GE, why is that?

Remember that 30 page tunnel I had on Gamma with thirteen different wall posts on why they're scum?
?

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I find it hard to believe that the only thing you can respond to in the game right now is people talking about you

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Yes but if you're scum a named townie/ic could be worth throwing shade at

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I'm more inclined to believe I just didn't see the joking tone tho

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Do only scum have this behavior or do town too?

Dear Lord do I hope this is a rhetorical question

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Dany, who's scum?

He can't tell you

Lynch him

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With the last vc I anticipate being today's lynch

My Dany scum read is obvious.

MM has the most critical vote on my wagon. Pressure this after my flip. Especially after his "ehhhhhhhhh everyone looks town" post.

Gamma is probably town.

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I agree, we should pressure confirmed town. Because that's a wonderful idea.

You did the fn claim, right.

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With the last vc I anticipate being today's lynch

My Dany scum read is obvious.

MM has the most critical vote on my wagon. Pressure this after my flip. Especially after his "ehhhhhhhhh everyone looks town" post.

Gamma is probably town.

When did I become a townread to you

After u got bored

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*I

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Dany, who's scum?

I am awaiting the answer to this question. People who are not iDanyBoy may also answer it.

Something_Smart his vote seems random and it doesn't feel like his looking for scum

No vote?

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and my vote is on one of the players I pointed out as being suspicious

I know that and mentioned as much. The fact that you come in and act like you have no clue where to start when you had several suspicions to work with is what pings me, and the suspicion is strengthened by you voting Gamma with your "no idea where to start" thing when you had established suspicions of them. If you already had those to work then it tells me you were lying about not knowing where to start to try to keep your hands clean.

Townies do suspicious things all the time

Your point being?

Good post

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Don't have a lot of time but I'm popping in to say that I'm still happy with my Flubber vote.

Also I'd like to point out that Dany took a very long time to answer MM's question then when he finally did answer it he had the same read as Alchemist two posts above. I don't know about anyone else but it seems a little sheepy to me.

Dany is tomorrow's lynch

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Sorry, catching up now

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That came out wrong rofl.

I think you know what I meant though: you shouldn't just decide that "I should have some scumreads of X strength now" and then have them.

I expect town to be a lot more frustrated if the two "strengths" don't align

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(Meant to post it was L-1. Sorry)

How do you "mean" to post an L1 and then not do it?

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Eh
Flubs doesn't seem like anything worth keeping but I want a report from the wagon
Can everyone voting him tell me why

You really expect this in 24 hours?

Lmao

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guys does anyone have any thoughts on my raya vote am i insane

Yes

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VOTE: ss