In post 348, MarioManiac4 wrote:honestly
i get what s_s is saying about btd6 i really do and it's similar to what i saw with dany
it's one thing to sheep
it's entirely another to wait until a solid argument is made to have scumreads, and then present that argument as your own VOTE: BTD6_maker
I made the same argument. This is because I agree with it and would have come up with it regardless of whether or not it is mentioned. It is not waiting until an argument is made and then presenting it as my own.
Other people have made that argument. That does not mean that I cannot state why I am voting SS if my reasons are the same.
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
In post 341, Something_Smart wrote:You want me to think for myself? Fine. VOTE: BTD6_maker
Derides me for sheeping while in the same post copying reasoning that has been used by multiple other people to vote me.
Furthermore, I'm seeing a pattern. People are voting me because they don't like how I'm playing. They're saying things like "you should be acting on your own reads" and "why are you following Mario just because he's conftown" which are addressing me as if I am town playing suboptimally. Which I am, but I don't care because in the past I have had a problem with tunneling in on small things and disrupting the game.
So I'm trying to avoid that by not voting things that are, like I said, more likely noise than signal. And the rate of scum lynches day 1, especially where scum doesn't bus, should corroborate this.
Back to the point at hand, people are voting me for what they think would be bad play coming from town, not what they think would come from scum. I specifically mentioned that what I did I don't like to do in most scenarios but this one is extenuating circumstances. The exception to that is Alchemist and that's one of the reasons I'm townreading him.
Sheeping is different from "copying reasoning" (which is misrep). I did not copy their reasoning. I merely came up with the same reasoning that they did. That is agreeing, not sheeping.
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
You have shown in the past that you do indeed have some reasoning, yet you seem to simply sheep MM. If you agree with MM's case, you should be able to give reasons why apart from simply "MM is confTown", as that doesn't make their reads more likely to be correct.
Why are you sheeping when you have reads of your own?
if you realised this wasn't original
a) why were you presenting it as such
b) you were reading the thread enough to give thoughts on other players, etc.
it feels like you are posting just so vote people and try to get them lynched rather than actually evaluating
You have shown in the past that you do indeed have some reasoning, yet you seem to simply sheep MM. If you agree with MM's case, you should be able to give reasons why apart from simply "MM is confTown", as that doesn't make their reads more likely to be correct.
Why are you sheeping when you have reads of your own?
if you realised this wasn't original
a) why were you presenting it as such
b) you were reading the thread enough to give thoughts on other players, etc.
it feels like you are posting just so vote people and try to get them lynched rather than actually evaluating
Why was I presenting it as such? Because I came up with this reasoning myself. Other people also did. I did not copy them. This is misrep, claiming that my post was made based on other's posts.
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
like a lot what bothers me so much is that you care about making your argument independently and making sure everyone knows it's independent etc.
i feel like you're more about presentation than substance at this point
Scum Lean
-Dany Very little actual content coming from Dany and I still don't like his recent sheepiness. I did find one post of his that included some reads although the two town reads were only because of claims and that was the only reasoning given. He doesn't appear to be even trying to scumhunt to me.
-Flubber 132 sums up my read on Flubber pretty well. Since then besides his defence posts to 132 nearly every post was only 1 sentence long and had little to no game advancing content.
Neutral/Unsure
-SS
-BTD6
-Draynth - Interested in their reads list promised for today
-Gamma
Town Lean
-MM4
-Alchemist
I would be happy voting for either of my two scum leans.
VOTE: Raya36
Please don't put conftown in your townleans unless you want to show everyone that you are intentionally being hedgy and not giving out hard reads.
In post 354, MarioManiac4 wrote:"Why are you sheeping when you have reads of your own?"
why are you asking questions based on unoriginal ideas
My ideas were not unoriginal. They were independent.
Did you know that other people had said the same thing when you posted that?
I was aware that other people had made the argument. That does not make a difference.
Were you aware that I had answered the question you were asking several times already?
In post 302, Something_Smart wrote:My point is that I'm not going to call someone scum just for doing a few things that seem suspicious. (I need something more concrete which I haven't found this game yet.) And if I vote someone just for being suspicious, then I know from experience that that will inevitably lead to confbias.
In post 309, Something_Smart wrote:If you plan on calling people scum then you're doing it wrong. (Or you're scum.) Just because it's been 10 days doesn't make the 13 pages of mostly pointless bickering this game is any easier to read and it doesn't mean everyone has a duty to have a strong scumread.
I think you know what I meant though: you shouldn't just decide that "I should have some scumreads of X strength now" and then have them.
I didn't know what you meant. I don't think any other player would come up and say "Yeah I have these suspicions, but I'm going to ignore them because voting one of 2 people on a wagon is a better way of finding scum than following my suspicions."
It's not ignoring them, it's just like, if all you have are vague suspicions, they're more likely noise than signal. And the vote on Gamma was a vote to get the game moving (and possibly get reactions) rather than an actual vote based on a scumread.
And now I'm liking your responses so I feel like this one might be noise too
In post 368, MarioManiac4 wrote:guys does anyone have any thoughts on my raya vote am i insane
I see where you're coming from. I initially townread her for 95, but I could see 115, 188, and 255 coming from new-ish scum. Her vote on me wasn't great, nor was her apparent misunderstanding of my reasons, and I'm happy she unvoted but I could see it being staged (and I certainly know the feeling of running someone up as scum only to have them push back unexpectedly hard and immediately backing off).
@Smarty BTD's reponse to the wagon on him feels very levelheaded and I think that suggests town that knows it isn't a big deal
@mario I think it's alright but your reasoning is a little shoddy
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
I was aware that you had answered multiple times. I considered your answers unsatisfactory at that point, and my post shows that.
After I had asked, you did give some reasoning about why MM is more likely to have correct reads than a random player. This point does make sense (although it is somewhat weak; MM's reads aren't that much better than a random player).
You didn't give any reasoning on why MM's reads are more accurate than your own. You are confirmed Town to yourself, so you can trust your reads. If you trust MM's reads more than yourself, you need reasoning for why you agree with those reads specifically.
Suppose MM had the exact opposite reads from their actual reads. Would you still trust them because they are confTown? If not, what makes you trust the reads as they are currently?
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
In post 363, MarioManiac4 wrote:VOTE: Raya36
Please don't put conftown in your townleans unless you want to show everyone that you are intentionally being hedgy and not giving out hard reads.
Wait, what's wrong with putting confirmed town under my town section? You're voting me for thinking the confirmed town is town?
In post 364, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also Raya usually scum reads are on the bottom and townreads are on the top
Oh sorry, didn't know. Still new to how this site works and what the norms are.
