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I would say it's very likely to have scum on it, but not necessarily all of the scum on it. I doubt scum would try to quick hammer this early in the day. I dislike Wisdoms response, and would expect a scum to try to throw shade at someone for an obviously sarcastic comment. I am happy with my vote where it is.
Which vote is the scummiest to you, if there is one?
I dunno. I'm keeping my eyes on BBT right now. He seems to be searching for a reason to find someone to be scummy rather than finding out if someone is or not. Could just be RQS hijinks though
What do you think of guilty's questioning of him? And why didn't you have any questions of your own?
Because I can feel the genuine effort from his posts, and it feels exactly like the town!guilty I know. The things he's chosen to focus on really feel like town!guilty things to focus on.
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Post #185 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:01 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 180, theslimer3 wrote:I suppose a lack of conviction. I'll admit that I am playing things internally but I guess it's because I'm not a very aggressive person so early in.
When guilty was questioning him I felt satisfied. But I never did get a satisfied "he's def scum, he's def town" just yet. I kinda can't do that like you guys do. I have to play at my own pace. See if he slips up or does something I like. Keep an eye on him. However you're right, I will try to ask more questions instead of stay on the sidelines keeping to myself
This is a good explanation for slimer's play.
GL: I didn't have the same opinion on 71--maybe you're biased because of the beeboy scumread?
I remembered a different (more energetic) beeboy from games I've read of his but I put more stock into vedith's meta.
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Post #206 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:27 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
Uh...when you realized the difference was there? Beeboy hasn't posted content in quite a while, and potentially incriminating evidence is always relevant, especially this early?
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Post #224 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:31 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 223, theslimer3 wrote:I don't like this. You're asking why didn't he mention it earlier like this was some sort of revelation. We all could have used before and was vital for him to bring up in the past. He brought it up now where it's more relevant since more people are talking and he's not. Why be so harsh toward his time for bringing it up now?
If the argument was really about lurking, I would see what you mean. It's possible I'm wrong and it is, but that would be silly because lurking even as a meta argument is dumb. Obviously RL plays a big part. I think the argument is about beeboy's presence in and engagement with the game, which was easy to notice when java was posting a couple pages ago. It's suspicious for me that he waited until now to bring it up--it seems like he was considering whether to out his reasoning because he wasn't sure he wanted to push the beeboy wagon, among other possible reasons.
In post 188, Infinity 324 wrote:That's a pretty easy question to replicate and java is missing so much here. He tends to have more presence as town--haven't you seen that?
i'll give him time to get into it - what do you think of his presence since you made this post?
In post 224, Infinity 324 wrote:I think the argument is about beeboy's presence in and engagement with the game, which was easy to notice when java was posting a couple pages ago. It's suspicious for me that he waited until now to bring it up--it seems like he was considering whether to out his reasoning because he wasn't sure he wanted to push the beeboy wagon, among other possible reasons.
It's also hard to assess whether beeboy was going to be present and engaged in this particular game until more time passes. Now the day is more than half over
I guess, but I still think you can only really judge from the time beeboy was in the thread.
In post 230, GuiltyLion wrote:also, java and I both played with beeboy (when he was part of a hydra, WhiteLight) in Walking Dead Ep 5 and I felt he was much more involved in that game too. I was scum and pushing to mislynch him and it was pretty hard to fight against him towning it up in the thread.
I expect a lot better from him - however it seems his activity's been down sitewide, so I don't think it's an indicative pattern in this particular game. At the same time, I'm not getting any reasons to move my vote
I remembered the same thing, but I want to hear from vedith who seems to think differently.
Yay \o/ Infinity is official off limits to lynch!
Well, the wagon doesn't seem convincing, BBT's reasoning doesn't seem convincing, this looks like Beeboy's town game. As I said, it's not odd for Beeboy to town read certain faces easier than others.
Also reminds me of their opening in viewtopic.php?f=84&t=68127
He gives many fewer reads and is much more whimsical here.
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Post #254 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:36 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
I don't see why wisdom is scummy, scumreading people defending a particular someone is a strategy I think scum are unlikely to use for various reasons.
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Post #276 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:25 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
Vedith, in my, java's, and guilty's experiences, beeboy tends to be a lot more active and energetic than this as town, and you've yet to properly address that. All you've done is given a town game of his in which he played very differently, and arguably was much more present than in this one.
In post 276, Infinity 324 wrote:Vedith, in my, java's, and guilty's experiences, beeboy tends to be a lot more active and energetic than this as town, and you've yet to properly address that. All you've done is given a town game of his in which he played very differently, and arguably was much more present than in this one.
Could this be a WK?
If it's WK then you believe him to be town? So why the intent?
Also, his play from our game doesn't differ much from here. So far the only reason for his lynch is because he's not posting a great deal.
Sorry but I'm not sold by that. Anything else?
Where are you getting "this is a WK" from "could this be a wk?"
And youre continually avoiding the core issue that beeboy is lacking presence when he's posting in this game.
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Post #283 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:34 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
Also I'm not seeing how the game you linked is at all similar to this one because the first serious post in his ISO there is #17 in his ISO, which is #122 overall.
In post 281, Infinity 324 wrote:Where are you getting "this is a WK" from "could this be a wk?"
And youre continually avoiding the core issue that beeboy is lacking presence when he's posting in this game.
Looks to be shading while not wanting to put a vote down to me. Either I'm WK or not. But it shows you have doubt on the person you just put to L1.
I'm not avoiding it, I think it's weak reasoning.
You're accusing me of indecisiveness and weak reasoning. I'll accept that, but meanwhile you're doing what exactly?
I don't think the case on beeboy is incriminating. I think it's the best we have. He has about a 1/3 chance of being scum imo. Everyone else has a smaller chance. We lynch him, or at least force a claim at this point.
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Post #287 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:39 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 284, Wisdom wrote:what?
"Could this be a wk" means you believe it could be a wk, i.e. you believe beeboy could be town
And yet you vote beeboy in your next post
Meaning the wk talk is just you spreading paranoia VOTE: infinity
If by "spreading paranoia" you mean "considering possibilities", sure
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Post #297 (isolation #47) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:46 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
I'll say it once more: beeboy is likely scum because he lacks presence here, and in the experiences of 3 different players here, he tends to have more presence as town.
I'm voting for a claim; most claims wouldn't change my mind though.
I get you could be just trying to work stuff out. So am I, but in a different way.
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Post #298 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:47 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 286, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think the case on beeboy is incriminating. I think it's the best we have. He has about a 1/3 chance of being scum imo. Everyone else has a smaller chance. We lynch him, or at least force a claim at this point.
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Post #310 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:18 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 303, GuiltyLion wrote:also while I don't think Wisdom's push on Infinity here is scummy, I also think Infinity's posting makes sense from a town mindset and doesn't really have scum-motivation in it. It's normal to vote someone while also still considering that they could be (or are even likely) town. I don't usually feel particularly good about a D1 lynch, it's the highest chance of mislynch
like FMPOV there's not a good reason to be really townreading beeboy, so anyone vocally townreading him could potentially be scum WKing a mislynch that will likely go through. doesn't mean I don't want pressure on beeboy at the same time
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Post #319 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:53 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 318, theslimer3 wrote:this is deflection. The fact of the matter is the idea that Beeboy is not around anywhere, not just here. Talking about ongoing games are indeed taboo, but using that to your advantage to not answer the question isn't just mafia-scummy, it's a scumbag move in general
Dude my argument has nothing to do with beeboy's post count, I don't understand how you don't realize that at this point. I'm arguing that beeboy's level of engagement when he is here and posting is lacking. If wisdom is using ongoing meta to counter that, that breaks site rules. I doubt wisdom was trying to do that, I think he just misunderstood my argument but I'm getting tired of people misunderstanding my arguments when I've already repeated them multiple times.
In post 297, Infinity 324 wrote:I'll say it once more: beeboy is likely scum because he lacks presence here, and in the experiences of 3 different players here, he tends to have more presence as town.
In post 319, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm arguing that beeboy's level of engagement when he is here and posting is lacking.
As if I didn't repeat the argument enough times yet.
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Post #344 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:35 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 336, GuiltyLion wrote:do you guys agree with what beeboy is saying here that I was "portraying the situation like [he] panicked"? Because I really don't think that's what I was doing at all.
I want some other opinions on whether this is town!beeboy genuinely paranoid of my intentions and making a mistake in reading too far in my posts, or if this is scum!beeboy trying to frame my comments as being more manipulative than they actually were
I obviously disagree with beeboy here, and I think it's a stretch to claim that you were saying he crumbled under pressure. (I can see how it could be interpreted that way, but I'd think beeboy would also consider the option that you were just trying to point out that he backed up on the read).
However, I don't necessarily see what beeboy did as an intentional misrep, if only because town uses bad logic sometimes, especially against people who are scumreading them.