Micro 727: Within Me

[This is me]

hello

im scum


catch me if u can


neener neener

[This is me]

i almost was first

perhaps Not_Mafia is mafia this time
i think his partner might be within me

[This is me]

You're going to regret that first post my friend

[This is me]

Woooo! I'm here!

So who's scum???

[This is me]

Not_Mafia dies first

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Agreed. Right after whoever said that

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@mod won't voting in the other thread be a dead giveaway to who we are? Wouldn't it be easier to just pm you on our mains after voting to validate it?
I can't see such a system being as anonymous as you want it to be

[This is me]

So does this essentially add up to VCA lol?

[This is me]

It means you'll never catch me hahahahahahaha!!

[This is me]

We can sign our posts you freaking idiots.Vijarada is me.

[This is me]

Can I call myself Leaf?

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Ok so I suggest signing our posts.

If someone fake signs you should probably call it out.

If someone calls you out for signing your own name, call them out.

If someone calls you out for calling them out for a fake name, call them out.

............

ok fuck I thought this would be chill but it's adding so many layers of shit on top of what's alr a stressful game.


~ XnadrojX, call me out and I will eradicate you

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I am Vijarada.I didn't write 17.

BP claim strategy? I am not BP.

[This is me]

The BP Claim strategy is a bad idea here where we cannot even confirm who is claiming BP or not. It doesn't work here.

Someone is pretending to be Vijarada in either 17 or 20. That person is perhaps more likely to be scum, but we cannot rule out simple early-game joking yet. We need a more robust method of confirming signatures than simply this, as scum could potentially masquerade as anyone else. I am trying to think of a strategy that actually confirms someone as being the author, but it's a non-trivial problem.

BTD6_maker

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If all we have to go on is words then it probably won't work. If you do have a way of identifying that someone is someone by the way they made it easy to do so, then I'd suggest not saying how for obvious reasons. So then, let's play this game shall we? This autta be hella interesting
-leaf

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How about this system?

In each post we sign, we name a random player. (It doesn't need to be anyone we scumread).

We then vote that person, and immediately revert our vote. (The immediate reversion, which should be done in a matter of seconds, avoids any issues during MyLo/LyLo.)

I randomly chose XnajdroX. I can also confirm that my only other post was 21. I particularly want Vijarada to do the same.

BTD6_maker

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That would be nice, if only we didn't have the rule where of we hint our main account we get a warning. The nickname system should work for now
-leaf

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That could work although I think we should save it for only if we have a conflict or we need some sort of confirmation since it's kind of inconvenient to do every single post. There is a flaw though. Another player can still vote whoever the "this is me" account said they would if multiple people are on at the same time and refreshing.
-Raya

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Not really.

Suppose player Y claims to be player X. Both post under player X's name and there is a dispute. Both players are online and refreshing. Now, it doesn't matter if player Y votes. Only Player X has access to their own main account so only they can vote under their own account.

If Player Y tried this, it would be immediately apparent that, though someone claiming to be player X is saying that they will vote, it is actually player Y who is voting.

BTD6_maker

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Yeah, you're right. I completely forgot that we would still be signing our posts lol
I still think we should just use it for conflicts though for the sake of convenience.

[This is me]

(Forgot to sign)
-Raya

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I think I'll call myself The. Unless I'm not the. But i'm not. I'm really not sure how this game is supposed to work, so I'm not putting much effort in.

[This is me]

VOTE: The
-the

[This is me]

vote are you not supposed to here
i think other thread who is The anyway? I havn't an idea.

[This is me]

The person who pretended to self vote wasn't me. Any idea who might be playing tricks like that?

-The

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XnadrojX hasn't voted yet and it's been a few days. Lurkers have it easy in this game.

-The

[This is me]

well sorry sorry.

I did some voting in the thread alr, since BT5_Maker just said something to me I went to unvote and vote them.


- XnadrojX

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this is going nowhere fast
let's just lynch someone and see what happens

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So from what i can tell, the only people who have posted and signed are XnadrojX, BTD6_maker, Vijarada, The Brie, and leaf.

Who on earth is leaf anyway? I haven't been able figure that out.

-If you know me, hopefully you'll recognize my post style

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Hmm.. well I'd like to stay anonymous. Besides I'd like to say there's another person here with us as well without a name. Probably the troll. Can we call him/her copycat?
-leaf

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Wouldn't signing our names mostly defeat the purpose of this game? The whole point is that we're semi-anonymous and it's mostly a VCA thing.

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yeah I agree that's some whack shit yo
-leaf

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I admit to making at least one troll post.
-person

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Do we actually want to try and lynch someone? There's very little to go on as far as VCA, but waiting around isn't going to do any good. I think wagons tend to get started from something someone said during RVS. We've had RVS, but not comments really attached to those votes.

I've got to say I'm fairly happy with XnadrojX. He hadn't voted, but he's been active. I like leaf too, not that it does much good. Based on well written posts, I'm thinking maybe Raya, but I don't know all the players.

[This is me]

Forgot to sign.

-The

[This is me]

Who is "The"? TheBrie or theslimer?

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That would be nice, if only we didn't have the rule where of we hint our main account we get a warning. The nickname system should work for now
-leaf

Wait, where is this rule?

[This is me]

I think it might have been in the PM, but I'm not checking.

-The me

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yeah I agree that's some whack shit yo
-leaf

You're not funny

Do we actually want to try and lynch someone? There's very little to go on as far as VCA, but waiting around isn't going to do any good. I think wagons tend to get started from something someone said during RVS. We've had RVS, but not comments really attached to those votes.

I've got to say I'm fairly happy with XnadrojX. He hadn't voted, but he's been active. I like leaf too, not that it does much good. Based on well written posts, I'm thinking maybe Raya, but I don't know all the players.

Good idea, let's try to lynch the only active people in the game

That would be nice, if only we didn't have the rule where of we hint our main account we get a warning. The nickname system should work for now
-leaf

Wait, where is this rule?

I'm so sure I saw it somewhere but I'm not sure where. I pmed the mod about it but I never got a response. Maybe it was all in my head

-leaf

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Do we actually want to try and lynch someone? There's very little to go on as far as VCA, but waiting around isn't going to do any good. I think wagons tend to get started from something someone said during RVS. We've had RVS, but not comments really attached to those votes.

I've got to say I'm fairly happy with XnadrojX. He hadn't voted, but he's been active. I like leaf too, not that it does much good. Based on well written posts, I'm thinking maybe Raya, but I don't know all the players.

Good idea, let's try to lynch the only active people in the game

-leaf

Not what I meant at all though I can see it's unclear. The people I'm happy with are the ones I don't want to vote. And I was guessing Leaf could be Raya. I rather think not now. I like leaf, Raya is null because of no known input.

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Wait how did I even miss that Raraya has been posting signed posts and is obviously not leaf? I'm an idiot. I think I like Raya too.

-The

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But raya is teh scumz. hes partners with paul.

-doggie

[This is me]

But raya is teh scumz. hes partners with paul.

-doggie

What even is this? You can't know who the scum are unless you're one of them. And who are you anyway? The signature indicates Dogwatch, but that's my latest idea for leaf's identity. I still need to look Dogwatch up and see if there's any comparison.

~The

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ok so a bunch of people have been doing some votes in the votethread, honestly if people don't start signing seriously it's gonna get cancerous, I'm voting TheBrie for now because those votes they made just feels weird.

Also has anyone actually used the votes seriously or is it just try to RVS despite the absolute lack of pressure since it's all anoynomous.

~ XnadrojX

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All the Town should sign properly from here IMO so we can catch the scum that's not signing via PoE, so The and leaf and doggie if you're actually Town please sign properly or we'll get this shit to PoE you.

If 2 people fake sign, that should leave us someone who hasn't shown their name, so calling out fakesigns (assuming Town properly signs) confirms the scum. So I'm assuming scum isn't fakesigning based off this, which is another reason to actually properly sign. Town gains nothing from not properly signing so please.

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~ XnadrojX

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I didn't write that. But I did notice that troll post 49 was written right around the same time that Brie voted for slimer in the voting thread (post 17). They were both posted around 3:20am - 3:30am. Brie is in Australia, meaning that she has a pretty different schedule than the rest of us and would post while most of us are sleeping.

I also think "The" is TheBrie based on writing style and obviously the nickname. Post 50 in this thread looks to me like she's calling herself out in order to distance herself from the troll post to gain town cred.

To prove I'm who I say I am, I'm voting for Brie right now.

-DogWatch

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Slimer, is there any reason for your change of vote from NTRP to WNM?

Brie, any reason for your change of vote from me (Raya36), to Xnad, to Slimer?

I think besides them everyone who changed their vote explained themselves.

-Raya

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Because why not?

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Raya was complete random vote. Xnad was to get his attention becuase he hadn't voted yet. I did note that at the time, though I didn't specifically say I was going to vote him. Slimer was because I'm thinking Xnad is town, and his vote change had no reason behind it. I probably should have explained.

Since there actually doesn't seem to be any penalty for giving names, I'll do it now. I take credit for every post signed The, except the fake self vote on I already called out.

~Brie

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I also take credit (or censure) for three troll posts.

#7 was because I felt lazy.

#31 because I was bored and felt like calling out the person who self voted as myself and someone else.

And I can't deny #49 (doggie). I was trying to get reactions. See who called me out and how. Not enough was going on, so i had to create my own drama. That post does not actually reflect my own opinions on any of the players mentioned. I think Raya is town. and I think Dogwatch is town. NTRP is a complete null.

I also got to claim #40 because I didn't feel like claiming the trolls posts back then. And #36 because i wanted to see if people picked up who i was. probably should have out The is that too.

~Brie

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Fair enough.

It's probably safe to assume that 57 is Slimer, so Slimer, care to actually explain?

-Raya

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Well to be honest I just wanted to be active. I've been a little busy lately. Sorry about that. I'll catch up and give a little analysis in the future

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I don't know how you picked up that #57 was slimer, but good job.
I don't really like his explanation, his still not using any kind of signature, and his unvote on being called out on giving to reason for the vote. So I'm not going to move my vote of him at the moment.

~Brie

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I also take credit (or censure) for three troll posts.

#7 was because I felt lazy.

#31 because I was bored and felt like calling out the person who self voted as myself and someone else.

And I can't deny #49 (doggie). I was trying to get reactions. See who called me out and how. Not enough was going on, so i had to create my own drama. That post does not actually reflect my own opinions on any of the players mentioned. I think Raya is town. and I think Dogwatch is town. NTRP is a complete null.

I also got to claim #40 because I didn't feel like claiming the trolls posts back then. And #36 because i wanted to see if people picked up who i was. probably should have out The is that too.

~Brie

You're not cleared just for owning up to it though. To me this just looks like caught scum playing the "it's not what it looks like" card. It's damage control.

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1. Matrix 6 setup. So we should have a decent game. The fact that the posts themselves are anonymous but not the votes are tremendously helpful. Hopefully the single machination of this game does not get the better of us. I am worried slightly about the persons trolling. Either it is bored scum who does not know how to take advantage of anonimity or just a VI in the town. This leaf person will maybe lose us the game he might be town, but if he survives towrds the end I would probably lynch him if I am alive my paranoia would win out.

The current plan is to sign our posts. We should have another plan. Plans on plans. Like concentrate our votes on the persons who are not signing their posts. Its better than nothing but I am amenable to the standard option and to do nothing.


I am forgetting something but I cant remember it

It had to do with vijarda, slimer, dogwatch, brie, and raya I think I wrote them down as possible scum. It'll come to me.

I'm want to vote for nottherealpaul since I havent seen him but he has voted and we can eliminate a few questions about who posted what. If he answers we can move on to the next person.

@thebrie any ideas on what else we can do to minimize confusion about who posted what? And do you think post 17 and 20 are written by the same person?

@NTRP I wanna know if you have posted in this thread and which posts are yours,

- yakko

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@Post #63 That's reasonable. I didn't expect people to trust me immediately. But seriously think about what the scum motive for the troll post could be? Is anyone seriously going to listen to something like that?

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Forgot to sing. I also missed asking #63 who they were.

~Brie

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@Yakko You're a replacement right? And from what I understand you're replacing NTRP. So why are you acting like he's another player? Who do you think you are replacing? The mod hasn't officially said anything, so it's kinda confusing.

I doubt 17 and 20 were the same person. I can't see nay motive for doing that from a town standpoint, and it seems kind of stupid as scum. Also one had punctuation. It could be faked, but I doubt it was. And 20 can't be fake signed.

~Brie

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Lmao. Oops. I forgot who I was.

Yakko

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I just realized I don't know what lmao means.

I'm thinking this is a genuine townslip. Scum would be a bit more aware of who they were in the game.

~Brie

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Not quite. In fact, just knowing that you're scum would be good enough. Assuming the role isn't the same as assuming the player. In fact, I would say he'd be more likely to forget who he was if he was scum due to more to remember, save for all he had was his name and a simple role.
-leaf

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Like concentrate our votes on the persons who are not signing their posts

That's literally the whole point of signing our posts.
And my vote is on the guy who was not signing their posts (they are now but I'm lazy to get off)

~ XnadrojX

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But scum would make sure they weren't scum reading their partner if it was avoidable. Though I suppose he wasn't really a scum read, just someone to push until he answered. So I'll leave Yakko as a null.

Leaf, are you Dogwatch or did Dogwatch only come on to defend himself from my troll?

~Brie

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@Brie I wrote 63 and forgot to sign. And I am not leaf.

-DogWatch

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Um, hello? Anyone?

We have three days till deadline and all we've accomplished so far are RVS votes and some vague finger pointing.

My vote stays where it is right now. There's a lot of scum motivation behind stirring up the pot like Brie did, and not much town motivation. Her owning up to it, like I said before, looks to me like damage control more than anything.

Won't be able to post much for the next couple days, but I'll attempt a reads list this morning and see if anything else strikes me as odd.

-DogWatch

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Townish:
BTD6_maker (concerned with people being accountable for their posts, which seems town motivated)
XnadrojX (similar reason to BTD6)
Whoever Leaf is

Scummish:
TheBrie
Yakko (the NTRP vote is odd)
slimer (not understanding your votes, please explain)

The rest are null for now.

-DogWatch

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Any suggestions?

-leaf

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I'd like Dogwatch better if he'd come out more before I stirred things up, but I'm still okay with him. I think Xand si town ans lef is probably town. I'm frustrated by really not knowing who leaf is. A town read isn't much use if I don't know who it is.

I'm a bit wary of Yakko and I really don't like Slimer. Since there's only tow scum, I'm putting Not_Mafia as a town lean though, I'd like more activity.

Raya and Vijarada are on the townish side too. I really can't remember what BTD6 has done.

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And I forgot to sign. It's me again.

~Brie

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Sorry, am XnadrojX, I was unable to do much past 2 days.

TheBrie is my only real SR, the kind of shit they stirred up doesn't seem cool to me.

Will be able to get on and say more later

~ XnadrojX

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So I'm scum for voting someone so I won't get prodded, and because I'm not signing my posts? Well fine then, I thought I would be able to play this game as intended, instead of just having avatars represent ourselves, but I'll admit that I'm leaf. It was a matter of PoE anyway since everyone is signing their own posts and linking it to themselves.

This whole game has been in a bit or realm of speculation as of late, but trying to lynch someone because they're taking advantage of the setup and prod dodging seems a bit ass pulley if you ask me.

So with only a few days left I think we should do a role call. We'd have a benefit of lynching whoever's been trying to fly under the radar for day 1. We might hit town, but that's one less potential scum to deal with in lylo who probably wasn't paying attention anyway. This way we can have a bit more of a focused day 2 and it'd be more active due to having 2 players less. Possibly one of the actives ones though in the night kill.

Anyone like this idea?
-leaf

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So I'm scum for voting someone so I won't get prodded, and because I'm not signing my posts? Well fine then, I thought I would be able to play this game as intended, instead of just having avatars represent ourselves, but I'll admit that I'm leaf. It was a matter of PoE anyway since everyone is signing their own posts and linking it to themselves.

This whole game has been in a bit or realm of speculation as of late, but trying to lynch someone because they're taking advantage of the setup and prod dodging seems a bit ass pulley if you ask me.

So with only a few days left I think we should do a role call. We'd have a benefit of lynching whoever's been trying to fly under the radar for day 1. We might hit town, but that's one less potential scum to deal with in lylo who probably wasn't paying attention anyway. This way we can have a bit more of a focused day 2 and it'd be more active due to having 2 players less. Possibly one of the actives ones though in the night kill.

Anyone like this idea?
-leaf

okay but why are you mad tho?

[This is me]

- yakko

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I suppose you're against the idea? Rather than responding you seem to want to provoke me
-leaf

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So slimer is leaf? I was town reading leaf, so that leaves me with Brie and yakko as my scum reads. Brie more so than yakko.

leaf, by "role call" are you referring to a mass role claim? Or "roll call" like in a classroom, just seeing who is present and paying attention?

- DogWatch

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Signed posts/admitted posts

- theslimer3 -

10

(leaf)

- BTD6_maker

3

(BTD6)

- XnadrojX

6

(XnadrojX)

- TheBrie

17?

(The?) (Brie?)

- NotTheRealPaul

?

(?)

- Vijarada

1?

(vijarada?)

- Not_Mafia

?

(?)

- DogWatch

6

(Dog/Doggie?)

- Raya36

4

(Raya)

-???

2

(person)

I've done this only by looking at the signed posts at the bottom or by what was said in other posts. We don't know who signed their post as "person" but they have two posts as a credit.

Not Mafia and Nottherealpaul are the only people who haven't either come forth or either we just don't know who they are. Personally I'm still okay with Not Mafia considering he proabably hasn't said much at all. Not to mention the very first post was probably him anyway

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Ah crap I forgot about Yakko
take out NTRP and replace him with Yakko, having 4. Which means NM is the only one with a questionable amount of votes at all

-leaf

^ also forgot to sign my post

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I have clearly said that the posts signed The were all mine except the fake self voting one. All the Brie ones have been mine.

NTRP still said nothing before being replaced. There might not be anything in that, but the fact he didn't care about the game is something to keep in mind.

Now that I know who Slimer is, I understand his votes and are quite happy to have him as town for now.

~Brie

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Oh I gotcha, sorry I think I missed that one.

38 hours left in the game. Who we going with here?

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^ -leaf

[This is me]

who do i vote guys

-v.j rada, the finger pointin' kid

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I'm campaigning not mafia. You should vote him
-leaf

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"doggie" was Brie pretending to be me, as already stated. Which is why I'd much rather lynch her than Not Mafia.

I think both Brie and NM have two votes apiece now, so with 28 hours to go, someone needs to break the tie. Personally, I think NM should be null at best, and I'll only vote him if we absolutely can't get a Brie lynch today.

-DogWatch

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Then again, it would be so easy for scum to coast along in this game without posting that I can sort of see where you're coming from on NM. Regardless, there's at least one scum within this group, if not both: {Brie, yakko, Not_Mafia}

-DogWatch

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I'm happier with a vote for Brie than a vote for NM. NM has been inactive/not signing and that is scummy in this particular set up but some things Brie has done were scummier. The troll votes that she claimed were hers is one thing. I see no reason for town to have made posts like that and it seems like scum trying to cause chaos. She claimed they were reaction tests but that is an easy claim for scum to make. Plus what is the point of a reaction test if in the next post you talk about the troll post not giving anyone else a chance to bring it up first, therefore losing your reaction? In post 59 she says that post 36 was to see if anyone picked up on who she is which I see as a scum motivated post. Scum wouldn't want their identity linked with their posts so it's possible she was scum testing for that.

-Raya

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If I'd been trying to disguise my identity, why would I have written that post the same as all the ones I was signing? Cause I can write differently if I actually want to.

I agree that is was stupid for me to react to my own test. But I was on and with the game being so slow I wanted to post something. I couldn't very well ignore that. So my impatience made me stupid. But I promise I'm just bad bored town, not scum. If you let me live, I'll do my best to play well. But it's perfectly reasonable for you to suspect me.

Out of Yakko and NM I think NM's complete lack of signed posts is scummier. But I'm not sure.

I just want to point out that ii is entirely possible for scum to be active and sounding towny in this game N one has really raised my suspicions, but we mustn't forget the possibility.

[This is me]

And I forgot to sign again. It was obvious I hope, but I'm Brie anyway.

[This is me]

What do you mean by you can type differently?

Also the idea behind lynching lurking players today is the elimination of not having those players interfere with the game later on when they suddenly have more weight on our actions as a whole. At least now we can take a shot in the dark and not have it hurt as much
A PL if you will.

Really not liking how silent NM is right now though either way
-leaf

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i mean sometimes i can digcuise my posts

nm is prob scum cause some thee are posts that haven't been signed or claimed that are super scummy.

EP, is just trying to lynch Brie cause she's easy game. EP WHY AREN"T YOU SCUM HUNTING?

Actually now that I've tried it, the disguise doesn't really work that well and I just end up feeling stupid. EP is just an example player. Cause I'm not really thinking that about any player.

But the point about someone having to have done the scummy posts at the beginning stands. Unless it's a someone who's also playing sensibly as town, Not_Mafia and maybe Yakko are the likely candidates. We'll never know about Yakko however because he wouldn't have gotten a record of which posts were his when he replaced in.

~Brie

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Also the idea behind lynching lurking players today is the elimination of not having those players interfere with the game later on when they suddenly have more weight on our actions as a whole. At least now we can take a shot in the dark and not have it hurt as much
A PL if you will.

Really not liking how silent NM is right now though either way
-leaf

Fair enough, I'll go with NM. We're better off keeping active players right now. Brie's 98 gave me just a little bit of pause on her as possibly being just bad town, but not much, she's still below the null line. -DogWatch

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Just noticed that NM had already voted for Brie but hadn't posted at all in this thread about it. Does a silent L-1 vote seem opportunistic to anyone?

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I'm the one being put to L-1 and Not_Mafia is my counter wagon, but I do agree it seems opportunistic. He's not trying to play.
Strangely the vote was within a minute of mine on him.

Was #100 you, DogWatch? Whoever it was forgot to sign and most of the others have been pretty good about it.

I just realized that Vijarada hasn't said anything for a long time and he's still got that vote sitting on himself. Maybe he's forgotten about the game.

~Brie

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Son of a bitch this mechanic is going to be the death of me. The majority of my posts are through phone so I'm truly sorry about that.
-leaf

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Yeah whoever said 100 needs to claim that post

-leaf

[This is me]

I said something like... a day ago.

[This is me]

wait no i didn't what the fuck? I distinctly remember making a post what the fuck?

[This is me]

who do i vote guys

-v.j rada, the finger pointin' kid

wait no here i am

[This is me]

My computer's messing up and ate my last post.

I had missed #90. The signature isn't all that obvious, and the post had so little content. Since you're here, would you like to say something of use? Why are you self voting?

~Brie

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I would vote for not mafia but slimer is on the wagon what do?

[This is me]

Yakko

[This is me]

Yakko, why do you think slimer is scum?

~Brie

[This is me]

wait no i didn't what the fuck? I distinctly remember making a post what the fuck?

who do i vote guys

-v.j rada, the finger pointin' kid

wait no here i am

Your argument isn't exactly making the situation any better

I would vote for not mafia but slimer is on the wagon what do?

"Hey, I wanna vote scum, but my other scum read is also on the wagon! Logically it won't make any sense to vote that person now!"

-leaf

[This is me]

really if you're going to complain about your wagon being bad please provide something better to wagon

~Xnad

[This is me]

I want to look at BTD. I think scum would have pushed harder for a mislynch as the day ran down. The fact that he didn't vote COULD mean that he couldn't make a sensible vote for anyone who didn't have a wagon already, and the leading wagon was a scum buddy. So I'm hypothesizing a BTD-Brie team. Could maybe be a BTD-NM team, but NM was less of a wagon, and scum!BTD could have possibly hammered town!Brie at some point, so that seems less likely. Either way, there was a distinct lack of involvement from him in the voting.

-DogWatch

[This is me]

Well I'm not scum. I was only at L-1 for about half an hour if I'm reading the timestamps right. So a BTD-NM team is quite plausible. BTD was also getting under the radar. He hadn't posted in forever and we hadn't really noticed him. I would hate to mod something like this where its hard to keep up with everyone's activity.

~Brie

[This is me]

Hmmmm I think I commited the bigger sin and didnt hammer someone D: although slime dying methinks someone was scurred of him is my best guess.

-yakko.

[This is me]

I was on V/LA during the deadline and thus could not hammer.

Ultimately, we need to ask the question: who benefits from a No Lynch? Scum or Town?

Of course, a No Lynch is disadvantageous to Town but we need to figure out whether scum was behind the No Lynch in this case. Was the wagon on TheBrie on scum? If so, of course scum would want a No Lynch. Otherwise, scum would likely hammer. They would not be very scumread for hammering at deadline - indeed, they might be seen as Townish for ensuring a deadline lynch.

BTD6_maker

[This is me]

Hmmmm I think I commited the bigger sin and didnt hammer someone D: although slime dying methinks someone was scurred of him is my best guess.

-yakko.

Good point. I'll take a look though his posts and see if anything might help us.

Am I correct in saying that Slimer is Leaf?

70 He said that it would be more likely someone (Yakko) was scum rather than town in the context of forgetting who they are. I don't think this is enough to make scum!Yakko scared enough to kill him.

91 He suggested a NM lynch. Maybe NM is scared scum?

Now looking at who he voted:
-NTRP
-NM
-UV NM
-NM
-Brie

Still looks like NM is the most likely to want to kill Slimer. I'll put my vote there at least until he gets on here and starts talking.

-Raya

[This is me]

Yeah, Leaf is Slimer. And that's good reasoning. I still would rather go after BTD6 today, but I could swap to NM.

@Mod, could we have a vote count?

It's hard to keep track when the last count posted was in the previous day, and there was another vote in that day after that.

~Brie

[This is me]

Could I hear more on why you think BTD6 is scum?

-Raya

[This is me]

Sorry for inactivity, can be getting on and providing thoughts tmr.


~ Xnad

[This is me]

Ok back, realised no one posts.

BTD6, do you have anything to say?

[This is me]

all right this is frustrating.

GuyInFreezer, do you need to sub people?

~Xnad

[This is me]

Sorry for flaking. I've had another couple of games taking my attention. The mechanic just makes this hard, not all that interesting.

My reasoning on BTD^ was partly due to his lack of engagement, partly from Dogwatch's argument. However if BTD6 really was away at the deadline, that doesn't stand as strong. I'll also admit that I was voting him rather than NM precisely because someone though he and I could be the team.

We're 6:2 right now. If we lynch NM and BTD6 over the next two days and one is town and there are two successful NKs, we're at 3:1. So mylo.

We've only got a few days to decide on a lynch, but I think we should use all of it to get everyone's reads. I'll read through the game and present my opinions on everyone either today or tomorrow.

~Brie

[This is me]

I mostly forgot about this game.

Anyway, it may be harder than usual to analyse ISOs here, but it should still be possible and, perhaps, useful.

I am the Town Doctor. I did not submit an action on Night 1 because I was V/LA.

BTD6_maker

[This is me]

Let's not lynch BTD6 today. Unless someone counterclaims, he's conftown and I now really want to know his reads.

~Brie

[This is me]

I also flaked, and I apologize. I like the idea of this game, but it isn't really working in practice. Let's try to finish it out though.

Here are my current reads:

Confirmed Town:
BTD

Townish:
Xnad
Raya
Vijarada
Brie {I'm still having a hard time getting over the trolling, but based on recent posts, I'm giving her the benefit of a doubt right now}

Scummish:
N_M
yakko


BTD's claim pretty much negated my previous post, so I'm looking now at a possible N_M/yakko team. The fact that N_M STILL has yet to post in the thread, and only voted once against Brie when a wagon was generating on her doesn't sit well with me. Yakko's 110 is kind of interesting when you consider the possibility of him being partners with N_M.

-DogWatch

[This is me]

When I wrote that last post, I hadn't realized that N_M voted for BTD yesterday. Although he voted before the doctor claim, this is the second time N_M has sheeped the biggest wagon without any acknowledgement in the main thread. My vote stays on him.

-DogWatch

[This is me]

Has Not_Mafia said anything at all? I cannot ISO dive them if they have zero ISO to speak of.

Anyway, that reminds me of Open 679, Jungle Oligarchy, in which Not_Mafia was scum. They replaced in on Day 2 and, for both Days 2 and 3, posted two naked hammers and nothing else.

It is plausible that they do this as Town, so I wouldn't say it is too AI without further evidence. Also, it is possible that they are using a pseudonym or not signing at all.

We should probably try to pressurise them to post at all so we can see what they have written.

One advantage to not signing posts as scum is this: when asked to show your posts, you can select which of your unsigned posts to claim, and which to disown. Those posts may be those which are useful at the time but will seem scummy in hindsight. Again, this is just a theory.

BTD

[This is me]

The vast majority of posts are signed and accounted for, except for a few at the start. To my memory, none of them have been attributed to N_M. Unless he posted an anonymous message early on, then he hasn't posted at all in this thread. What you bring up about Open 679 is VERY interesting in light of this.

-DogWatch

[This is me]

I don't like Yakko unvoting without saying anything. The unvote was the obvious thing to do, but I think he could have at least made the effort to say something. We've got less than two days left, and we mustn't no lynch again. So I'm voting NM.

~Brie

[This is me]

Ultimately, we need a lynch here. I am guaranteed to die anyway.

The optimal play here is to lynch today but No Lynch tomorrow (as it will be Mountainous with an even number). Since a lynch is necessary here, it looks like Not_Mafia is the best option at the moment. I have been unable to post yesterday (I was on a plane) but I will analyse the others. Making ISOs would be helpful.

I will thus vote Not_Mafia.

BTD

[This is me]

By the way,

This is L-1.

[This is me]

Ok so I suggest signing our posts.

If someone fake signs you should probably call it out.

If someone calls you out for signing your own name, call them out.

If someone calls you out for calling them out for a fake name, call them out.

............

ok fuck I thought this would be chill but it's adding so many layers of shit on top of what's alr a stressful game.


~ XnadrojX, call me out and I will eradicate you

well sorry sorry.

I did some voting in the thread alr, since BT5_Maker just said something to me I went to unvote and vote them.


- XnadrojX

ok so a bunch of people have been doing some votes in the votethread, honestly if people don't start signing seriously it's gonna get cancerous, I'm voting TheBrie for now because those votes they made just feels weird.

Also has anyone actually used the votes seriously or is it just try to RVS despite the absolute lack of pressure since it's all anoynomous.

~ XnadrojX

All the Town should sign properly from here IMO so we can catch the scum that's not signing via PoE, so The and leaf and doggie if you're actually Town please sign properly or we'll get this shit to PoE you.

If 2 people fake sign, that should leave us someone who hasn't shown their name, so calling out fakesigns (assuming Town properly signs) confirms the scum. So I'm assuming scum isn't fakesigning based off this, which is another reason to actually properly sign. Town gains nothing from not properly signing so please.

Like concentrate our votes on the persons who are not signing their posts

That's literally the whole point of signing our posts.
And my vote is on the guy who was not signing their posts (they are now but I'm lazy to get off)

~ XnadrojX

Sorry, am XnadrojX, I was unable to do much past 2 days.

TheBrie is my only real SR, the kind of shit they stirred up doesn't seem cool to me.

Will be able to get on and say more later

~ XnadrojX

really if you're going to complain about your wagon being bad please provide something better to wagon

~Xnad

all right this is frustrating.

GuyInFreezer, do you need to sub people?

~Xnad

BTD

[This is me]

Mod, putting the deadline in the vote counts would be helpful.

[This is me]

Thanks for posting that ISO, BTD. I'll grab mine for you, since I can probably remember which troll post were mine better than you can.

~Brie

[This is me]

Brie ISO. So can all see you stupid I was.

i almost was first

perhaps Not_Mafia is mafia this time
i think his partner might be within me

I think I'll call myself The. Unless I'm not the. But i'm not. I'm really not sure how this game is supposed to work, so I'm not putting much effort in.

vote are you not supposed to here
i think other thread who is The anyway? I havn't an idea.

The person who pretended to self vote wasn't me. Any idea who might be playing tricks like that?

-The

XnadrojX hasn't voted yet and it's been a few days. Lurkers have it easy in this game.

-The

So from what i can tell, the only people who have posted and signed are XnadrojX, BTD6_maker, Vijarada, The Brie, and leaf.

Who on earth is leaf anyway? I haven't been able figure that out.

-If you know me, hopefully you'll recognize my post style

I admit to making at least one troll post.
-person

Do we actually want to try and lynch someone? There's very little to go on as far as VCA, but waiting around isn't going to do any good. I think wagons tend to get started from something someone said during RVS. We've had RVS, but not comments really attached to those votes.

I've got to say I'm fairly happy with XnadrojX. He hadn't voted, but he's been active. I like leaf too, not that it does much good. Based on well written posts, I'm thinking maybe Raya, but I don't know all the players.

Forgot to sign.

-The

I think it might have been in the PM, but I'm not checking.

-The me

Do we actually want to try and lynch someone? There's very little to go on as far as VCA, but waiting around isn't going to do any good. I think wagons tend to get started from something someone said during RVS. We've had RVS, but not comments really attached to those votes.

I've got to say I'm fairly happy with XnadrojX. He hadn't voted, but he's been active. I like leaf too, not that it does much good. Based on well written posts, I'm thinking maybe Raya, but I don't know all the players.

Good idea, let's try to lynch the only active people in the game

-leaf

Not what I meant at all though I can see it's unclear. The people I'm happy with are the ones I don't want to vote. And I was guessing Leaf could be Raya. I rather think not now. I like leaf, Raya is null because of no known input.

Wait how did I even miss that Raraya has been posting signed posts and is obviously not leaf? I'm an idiot. I think I like Raya too.

-The

But raya is teh scumz. hes partners with paul.

-doggie

But raya is teh scumz. hes partners with paul.

-doggie

What even is this? You can't know who the scum are unless you're one of them. And who are you anyway? The signature indicates Dogwatch, but that's my latest idea for leaf's identity. I still need to look Dogwatch up and see if there's any comparison.

~The

Raya was complete random vote. Xnad was to get his attention becuase he hadn't voted yet. I did note that at the time, though I didn't specifically say I was going to vote him. Slimer was because I'm thinking Xnad is town, and his vote change had no reason behind it. I probably should have explained.

Since there actually doesn't seem to be any penalty for giving names, I'll do it now. I take credit for every post signed The, except the fake self vote on I already called out.

~Brie

I also take credit (or censure) for three troll posts.

#7 was because I felt lazy.

#31 because I was bored and felt like calling out the person who self voted as myself and someone else.

And I can't deny #49 (doggie). I was trying to get reactions. See who called me out and how. Not enough was going on, so i had to create my own drama. That post does not actually reflect my own opinions on any of the players mentioned. I think Raya is town. and I think Dogwatch is town. NTRP is a complete null.

I also got to claim #40 because I didn't feel like claiming the trolls posts back then. And #36 because i wanted to see if people picked up who i was. probably should have out The is that too.

~Brie

I don't know how you picked up that #57 was slimer, but good job.
I don't really like his explanation, his still not using any kind of signature, and his unvote on being called out on giving to reason for the vote. So I'm not going to move my vote of him at the moment.

~Brie

@Post #63 That's reasonable. I didn't expect people to trust me immediately. But seriously think about what the scum motive for the troll post could be? Is anyone seriously going to listen to something like that?

Forgot to sing. I also missed asking #63 who they were.

~Brie

@Yakko You're a replacement right? And from what I understand you're replacing NTRP. So why are you acting like he's another player? Who do you think you are replacing? The mod hasn't officially said anything, so it's kinda confusing.

I doubt 17 and 20 were the same person. I can't see nay motive for doing that from a town standpoint, and it seems kind of stupid as scum. Also one had punctuation. It could be faked, but I doubt it was. And 20 can't be fake signed.

~Brie

I just realized I don't know what lmao means.

I'm thinking this is a genuine townslip. Scum would be a bit more aware of who they were in the game.

~Brie

But scum would make sure they weren't scum reading their partner if it was avoidable. Though I suppose he wasn't really a scum read, just someone to push until he answered. So I'll leave Yakko as a null.

Leaf, are you Dogwatch or did Dogwatch only come on to defend himself from my troll?

~Brie

I'd like Dogwatch better if he'd come out more before I stirred things up, but I'm still okay with him. I think Xand si town ans lef is probably town. I'm frustrated by really not knowing who leaf is. A town read isn't much use if I don't know who it is.

I'm a bit wary of Yakko and I really don't like Slimer. Since there's only tow scum, I'm putting Not_Mafia as a town lean though, I'd like more activity.

Raya and Vijarada are on the townish side too. I really can't remember what BTD6 has done.

And I forgot to sign. It's me again.

~Brie

I have clearly said that the posts signed The were all mine except the fake self voting one. All the Brie ones have been mine.

NTRP still said nothing before being replaced. There might not be anything in that, but the fact he didn't care about the game is something to keep in mind.

Now that I know who Slimer is, I understand his votes and are quite happy to have him as town for now.

~Brie

If I'd been trying to disguise my identity, why would I have written that post the same as all the ones I was signing? Cause I can write differently if I actually want to.

I agree that is was stupid for me to react to my own test. But I was on and with the game being so slow I wanted to post something. I couldn't very well ignore that. So my impatience made me stupid. But I promise I'm just bad bored town, not scum. If you let me live, I'll do my best to play well. But it's perfectly reasonable for you to suspect me.

Out of Yakko and NM I think NM's complete lack of signed posts is scummier. But I'm not sure.

I just want to point out that ii is entirely possible for scum to be active and sounding towny in this game N one has really raised my suspicions, but we mustn't forget the possibility.

And I forgot to sign again. It was obvious I hope, but I'm Brie anyway.

i mean sometimes i can digcuise my posts

nm is prob scum cause some thee are posts that haven't been signed or claimed that are super scummy.

EP, is just trying to lynch Brie cause she's easy game. EP WHY AREN"T YOU SCUM HUNTING?

Actually now that I've tried it, the disguise doesn't really work that well and I just end up feeling stupid. EP is just an example player. Cause I'm not really thinking that about any player.

But the point about someone having to have done the scummy posts at the beginning stands. Unless it's a someone who's also playing sensibly as town, Not_Mafia and maybe Yakko are the likely candidates. We'll never know about Yakko however because he wouldn't have gotten a record of which posts were his when he replaced in.

~Brie

I'm the one being put to L-1 and Not_Mafia is my counter wagon, but I do agree it seems opportunistic. He's not trying to play.
Strangely the vote was within a minute of mine on him.

Was #100 you, DogWatch? Whoever it was forgot to sign and most of the others have been pretty good about it.

I just realized that Vijarada hasn't said anything for a long time and he's still got that vote sitting on himself. Maybe he's forgotten about the game.

~Brie

My computer's messing up and ate my last post.

I had missed #90. The signature isn't all that obvious, and the post had so little content. Since you're here, would you like to say something of use? Why are you self voting?

~Brie

Yakko, why do you think slimer is scum?

~Brie

Well I'm not scum. I was only at L-1 for about half an hour if I'm reading the timestamps right. So a BTD-NM team is quite plausible. BTD was also getting under the radar. He hadn't posted in forever and we hadn't really noticed him. I would hate to mod something like this where its hard to keep up with everyone's activity.

~Brie

Yeah, Leaf is Slimer. And that's good reasoning. I still would rather go after BTD6 today, but I could swap to NM.

@Mod, could we have a vote count?

It's hard to keep track when the last count posted was in the previous day, and there was another vote in that day after that.

~Brie

Sorry for flaking. I've had another couple of games taking my attention. The mechanic just makes this hard, not all that interesting.

My reasoning on BTD^ was partly due to his lack of engagement, partly from Dogwatch's argument. However if BTD6 really was away at the deadline, that doesn't stand as strong. I'll also admit that I was voting him rather than NM precisely because someone though he and I could be the team.

We're 6:2 right now. If we lynch NM and BTD6 over the next two days and one is town and there are two successful NKs, we're at 3:1. So mylo.

We've only got a few days to decide on a lynch, but I think we should use all of it to get everyone's reads. I'll read through the game and present my opinions on everyone either today or tomorrow.

~Brie

Let's not lynch BTD6 today. Unless someone counterclaims, he's conftown and I now really want to know his reads.

~Brie

I don't like Yakko unvoting without saying anything. The unvote was the obvious thing to do, but I think he could have at least made the effort to say something. We've got less than two days left, and we mustn't no lynch again. So I'm voting NM.

~Brie

[This is me]

And here's Vijarada's ISO. Not much to see here. ~Brie

We can sign our posts you freaking idiots.Vijarada is me.

I am Vijarada.I didn't write 17.

BP claim strategy? I am not BP.

who do i vote guys

-v.j rada, the finger pointin' kid

I said something like... a day ago.

wait no i didn't what the fuck? I distinctly remember making a post what the fuck?

who do i vote guys

-v.j rada, the finger pointin' kid

wait no here i am

[This is me]

Leaf/Slimer ISO. Yes, he's dead, but it could still be useful to get his reads. ~Brie

Can I call myself Leaf?

If all we have to go on is words then it probably won't work. If you do have a way of identifying that someone is someone by the way they made it easy to do so, then I'd suggest not saying how for obvious reasons. So then, let's play this game shall we? This autta be hella interesting
-leaf

That would be nice, if only we didn't have the rule where of we hint our main account we get a warning. The nickname system should work for now
-leaf

Hmm.. well I'd like to stay anonymous. Besides I'd like to say there's another person here with us as well without a name. Probably the troll. Can we call him/her copycat?
-leaf

yeah I agree that's some whack shit yo
-leaf

yeah I agree that's some whack shit yo
-leaf

You're not funny

Do we actually want to try and lynch someone? There's very little to go on as far as VCA, but waiting around isn't going to do any good. I think wagons tend to get started from something someone said during RVS. We've had RVS, but not comments really attached to those votes.

I've got to say I'm fairly happy with XnadrojX. He hadn't voted, but he's been active. I like leaf too, not that it does much good. Based on well written posts, I'm thinking maybe Raya, but I don't know all the players.

Good idea, let's try to lynch the only active people in the game

That would be nice, if only we didn't have the rule where of we hint our main account we get a warning. The nickname system should work for now
-leaf

Wait, where is this rule?

I'm so sure I saw it somewhere but I'm not sure where. I pmed the mod about it but I never got a response. Maybe it was all in my head

-leaf

Not quite. In fact, just knowing that you're scum would be good enough. Assuming the role isn't the same as assuming the player. In fact, I would say he'd be more likely to forget who he was if he was scum due to more to remember, save for all he had was his name and a simple role.
-leaf

So I'm scum for voting someone so I won't get prodded, and because I'm not signing my posts? Well fine then, I thought I would be able to play this game as intended, instead of just having avatars represent ourselves, but I'll admit that I'm leaf. It was a matter of PoE anyway since everyone is signing their own posts and linking it to themselves.

This whole game has been in a bit or realm of speculation as of late, but trying to lynch someone because they're taking advantage of the setup and prod dodging seems a bit ass pulley if you ask me.

So with only a few days left I think we should do a role call. We'd have a benefit of lynching whoever's been trying to fly under the radar for day 1. We might hit town, but that's one less potential scum to deal with in lylo who probably wasn't paying attention anyway. This way we can have a bit more of a focused day 2 and it'd be more active due to having 2 players less. Possibly one of the actives ones though in the night kill.

Anyone like this idea?
-leaf

I suppose you're against the idea? Rather than responding you seem to want to provoke me
-leaf

Ah crap I forgot about Yakko
take out NTRP and replace him with Yakko, having 4. Which means NM is the only one with a questionable amount of votes at all

-leaf

^ also forgot to sign my post

Signed posts/admitted posts

- theslimer3 -

10

(leaf)

- BTD6_maker

3

(BTD6)

- XnadrojX

6

(XnadrojX)

- TheBrie

17?

(The?) (Brie?)

- NotTheRealPaul

?

(?)

- Vijarada

1?

(vijarada?)

- Not_Mafia

?

(?)

- DogWatch

6

(Dog/Doggie?)

- Raya36

4

(Raya)

-???

2

(person)

I've done this only by looking at the signed posts at the bottom or by what was said in other posts. We don't know who signed their post as "person" but they have two posts as a credit.

Not Mafia and Nottherealpaul are the only people who haven't either come forth or either we just don't know who they are. Personally I'm still okay with Not Mafia considering he proabably hasn't said much at all. Not to mention the very first post was probably him anyway

Oh I gotcha, sorry I think I missed that one.

38 hours left in the game. Who we going with here?

^ -leaf

I'm campaigning not mafia. You should vote him
-leaf

What do you mean by you can type differently?

Also the idea behind lynching lurking players today is the elimination of not having those players interfere with the game later on when they suddenly have more weight on our actions as a whole. At least now we can take a shot in the dark and not have it hurt as much
A PL if you will.

Really not liking how silent NM is right now though either way
-leaf

Just noticed that NM had already voted for Brie but hadn't posted at all in this thread about it. Does a silent L-1 vote seem opportunistic to anyone?

^I'm not sure who posted that. I think I understood it to be leaf at the time, but I'm not so sure now.

Son of a bitch this mechanic is going to be the death of me. The majority of my posts are through phone so I'm truly sorry about that.
-leaf

Yeah whoever said 100 needs to claim that post

-leaf

wait no i didn't what the fuck? I distinctly remember making a post what the fuck?

who do i vote guys

-v.j rada, the finger pointin' kid

wait no here i am

Your argument isn't exactly making the situation any better

I would vote for not mafia but slimer is on the wagon what do?

"Hey, I wanna vote scum, but my other scum read is also on the wagon! Logically it won't make any sense to vote that person now!"

-leaf

[This is me]

Raya ISO. I think I like Raya. ~Brie

That could work although I think we should save it for only if we have a conflict or we need some sort of confirmation since it's kind of inconvenient to do every single post. There is a flaw though. Another player can still vote whoever the "this is me" account said they would if multiple people are on at the same time and refreshing.
-Raya

Yeah, you're right. I completely forgot that we would still be signing our posts lol
I still think we should just use it for conflicts though for the sake of convenience.

(Forgot to sign)
-Raya

Slimer, is there any reason for your change of vote from NTRP to WNM?

Brie, any reason for your change of vote from me (Raya36), to Xnad, to Slimer?

I think besides them everyone who changed their vote explained themselves.

-Raya

Fair enough.

It's probably safe to assume that 57 is Slimer, so Slimer, care to actually explain?

-Raya

Could I hear more on why you think BTD6 is scum?

-Raya

[This is me]

This is pathetic. Are we really going to no-lynch again?

NM is at L-1. Anyone? Would NM even care to show up to defend himself? Anything?

[This is me]

Come on guys! Less than 2 hours! We really need someone to hammer.

Also I wanted to point out that NM is clearly lurking as he has been somewhat active in the vote thread throughout the game, as well as earlier he brought BTD6 to L-1 and didn't even bother to let us know.

-Raya

[This is me]

Let's see.

Vijarada has little in their ISO, but they have much more than Not_Mafia. Right now I am thinking that such inactivity may be more because of the game state, as it seems like many people are very inactive.

XnajdroX, at first, focused almost exclusively on signing posts. Later, they mentioned a scumread on TheBrie, but provided not much reasoning. What they did provide is vague. Who was 114 addressed to? It looks as though they were talking about TheBrie. XnajdroX, if you still scumread TheBrie, please go a bit more in-depth about your reasoning.

Raya doesn't have much content (not many of us do), but what they do have looks fairly good. They are particularly interested in reasoning behind votes, particularly switching votes. They did reply to your post, saying "Fair enough". I am wondering what they would have to say now, with many more votes. Do they have other comments about others' replies, if there were any?

TheBrie has a very large (in comparison) ISO, so I will analyse that in a separate post. At the moment I cannot go into too much depth.

Anyway, it is unfortunate that a No Lynch is the most likely outcome. Asking the Mod for a deadline extension is our best bet. This does seem reminiscent of Open 642 where, perhaps due to general apathy including, at one point, a Modflake, we No Lynched on two consecutive days. One of these, Day 2, was over six weeks long.

BTD

[This is me]

Here are ALL possible teams:

Xnad - Raya
Xnad - Brie
Xnad - Vijarada
Xnad - yakko
Xnad - DogWatch
yakko - Raya
yakko - Brie
yakko - Vijarada
yakko - DogWatch
Raya - Brie
Raya - DogWatch
Raya - Vijarada
Brie - Vijarada
Brie - DogWatch
DogWatch - Vijarada

Which pair makes the most sense? At this point, my biggest scum read is yakko, so I'll focus on teams featuring him.

I keep toying with a yakko/Brie team, but I'm wavering on Brie. I scum-read her a lot early on for good reason, started giving her the benefit of a doubt when her posts improved, but I could still see this being a team. Brie does throw a little shade at yakko in a couple of her posts (137 for instance) but I don't think she ever votes him. Could be distancing, dunno.

yakko/Raya COULD be a possibility. They've remained distant from each other which could either be scum distancing or just a general lack of activity (more likely). I generally liked Raya's posts and don't get a scummy vibe from her, but it's still possible.

yakko/Vij possibly. Vij has very little content to go on. He didn't vote on the NM lynch, so I don't know how to interpret that. There's so little activity in the game it's hard to tell what's alignment indicative lurking or not.

yakko/Xnad, no. I town read Xnad and I don't see how this team would work.

I know I'm town, so I naturally rule my option out.

So 3/5 yakko teams are plausible. None of the other teams strike me as particularly likely, but I'd like to hear what the rest of you think.

My vote would be on yakko right now, but we need to discuss whether we want to take the risk and lynch today or not. If we mislynch, it's over.

DogWatch

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Who was pretending to be Vij in post 17? At first I thought it was Brie, but she didn't take credit for it. She does, however, include it in the ISO she posted of Vij, which could just be a simple mistake.

DogWatch

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Seriously? Come on, folks.

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Sorry, sorry, sorry. Life's been crazy, and I've kind of quite playing Mafia. I'll stick this game out though.

I included 17 in Vij's ISO because we don't know who it does belong to, and I thought it was still relevant.

I get what you're saying on Yakko. He's been vaguely weird all along. But this game is a disaster, so I can't pick on on which of Vij or Raya is a more likely partner.

I'd rather take the risk and lynch today. Just because this game has been frustratingly slow and I don't care much anymore. But if others choose a nolynch, I won't blame them.

~Brie

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I'm ok with taking the risk. Anyone else have an opinion? - DW

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I'm up for the risk of lynching.

I say we vote for Yakko if we decide to go through with this. I reread his iso and I can see some potential scum motivation behind some of his posts.

64
This one isn't a big one since it could be town motivated as well. I mostly just don't like how he's hanging the threat of lynching anyone who doesn't sign in the air.

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Another post I don't like. I don't see any attempt at sorting or trying to reevaluate based on the fact that scumread is on his other scumreads wagon.

I like Brie and Dogwatch so that would leave xnad and vij who I would consider possibly being Yakko's partner. Doesn't look like there's much content from xnad so not much sorting can be done there. And... absolutely nothing from vij.

You guys want to post a bit more?

Anymore opinions on a lynch vs a no lynch?

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Forgot to sign

-Raya

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I'd like to see if the others show up to say anything before we lynch.

Dogwatch, What exactly made you think Raya was a little scummy?

~Brie

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Nothing really. I was just pointing out that -IF- Raya was partners with yakko, then the only possible evidence would be their distance from each other. But it's unlikely, as she's one of my better town reads, and even the distancing doesn't necessarily mean anything in a game where so little is being said.

At this point, I'd say yakko/Vij might be the most likely team, but I'd lynch yakko before anyone else.

- DW

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Hmm, mostly agree with what's being thrown out here. Game is inactive tho (includes me but I try)

I think we should get yakko then try to cut through the inactives.

~Xnad

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Alright, let's do it then. I'm voting yakko.

- DW

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Okay. Bringing this to L-1

-Raya

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I agree with Yakko Vij being most likely. But if there's a situation for scum to bus this is probably one of them.

I won't hammer right now though. Is there anything else for us to talk about, and do we want to wait for Vij or Yakko to appear?

~Brie

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It's L-2. There's six of us so it takes 4 votes.

DW

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You're right. I'll vote then.

~Brie

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Whoops, miscounted.

L-1 now.

So ummm... I was super stalkerish and checked the inactives' last time visited.

Xnad was on today Dx
Last time for Vij was Aug 2
And last time for Yakko was Aug 9...

-Raya

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hi im not yakko anymore

Before I even decided to replace into this game I saw the Yakko quickwagon and figured that it was town and would lead to a quick scum win. I'm here to throw a monkey wrench into that plan, although I don't estimate town's chances of winning as good. (Also, mafSilver, really?)

So first order of business, can y'all unvote before I get quickhammered?

Second order of business, is there any case against my slot aside from inactivity? Because any townie who is voting me based on that is bad and should feel bad. And Raya's case is two posts, one of which she admits could also be town motivated. (And the other is a single post which doesn't show sorting... as if every post from a townie that describes a situation must also analyze the situation.)

Finally, Brie, you thought my slot townslipped earlier. What changed?
-smart

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162 is scaring me a lot, so I'm really hoping one of you get on before XnadrojX does.
-smart

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And anyone who doesn't want to no-lynch had better give a really good reason why. Better than "I'm up for the risk" because it's not a risk, it's just stupid.
-smart

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And anyone who doesn't want to no-lynch had better give a really good reason why. Better than "I'm up for the risk" because it's not a risk, it's just stupid.
-smart

I mean, it is an increased risk, but for no increased reward.
-smart

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Since I want to NL I see no reason to out my reads. This game doesn't seem to have that strong of universal townreads (being eight pages and all) so it will be useful to see who the scum kill. And I don't want to help them decide.

Also, I'd like everybody (DogWatch and Brie at least to my recollection, and maybe more) who claimed that BTD6 was conftown yesterday to explain why they said that. Following this game I actually thought that he was scum getting away with an easy gambit. Then again, I am absolutely incapable of reading BTD6, but it struck me as a tactic he would try as scum, so I want to know why you guys didn't consider it.
-smart

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Welcome to the game!

Second order of business, is there any case against my slot aside from inactivity? Because any townie who is voting me based on that is bad and should feel bad. And Raya's case is two posts, one of which she admits could also be town motivated. (And the other is a single post which doesn't show sorting... as if every post from a townie that describes a situation must also analyze the situation.)
-smart

Just to clarify the post I linked was one that stood out to me but I haven't seen any sorting from Yakko the entire game. When he has popped in to post what he said was always very minimal and nothing game advancing. He hasn't done anything this game to make me think he's town.

162 is scaring me a lot, so I'm really hoping one of you get on before XnadrojX does.
-smart

So are you thinking Xnad is scum then?

And anyone who doesn't want to no-lynch had better give a really good reason why. Better than "I'm up for the risk" because it's not a risk, it's just stupid.
-smart

I'm certainly up for a no-lynch now. The problem before was that I didn't think a no-lynch would help us. The state the game was in we would have just had another dead day phase. I thought it would be worth the risk to lynch and potentially hit scum giving us new information and a shot at winning this thing.

-Raya

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Don't necessarily think Xnadroj is scum but I don't trust him enough to hammertest him for sure.

And when somebody was as inactive as Yakko would you be surprised to know that he didn't do much sorting as town? (And for that matter, I think Vijarada did even less, so why not vote him?)

A no-lynch removes another possible scum candidate. It increases the chance, from a town player's POV, of any random player being scum from 40% to 50%. And then we can take the risk in LYLO which would give us even more new information.
-smart

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hi im not yakko anymore

Before I even decided to replace into this game I saw the Yakko quickwagon and figured that it was town and would lead to a quick scum win. I'm here to throw a monkey wrench into that plan, although I don't estimate town's chances of winning as good. (Also, mafSilver, really?)

So first order of business, can y'all unvote before I get quickhammered?

Second order of business, is there any case against my slot aside from inactivity? Because any townie who is voting me based on that is bad and should feel bad. And Raya's case is two posts, one of which she admits could also be town motivated. (And the other is a single post which doesn't show sorting... as if every post from a townie that describes a situation must also analyze the situation.)

Finally, Brie, you thought my slot townslipped earlier. What changed?
-smart

I have no good reason (outiside of this being mafia) not to believe you for now. As for the town slip, I let myself be convinced by someone that it was insignificant.
There was one other reason for thinking Yakko was scum. he'd acted a little fishy around Slimer and worried about oje one his scum reads voting the other. But there's nothing terribly scummy about that.

I figured that with BTD6 that a fake claim would be called out. Though I suppose it might not have been if the real PR was pretty sure NotMafia was scum and thought BTD6 not getting NKed would be enough for him to get lynched.

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(Why did I post before I was finished?)

Now that the game has actually picked up, I would rather no lynch. I was just fed up with it and didn't care enough about winning. But let's play properly now. No lynch today.

I'm leaning a little towards Vij and Xnad as the scum now, but I really haven't got much to go on and I'm not confident enough to feel certain I'm not being played.

~Brie

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Im just posting to say hi and that im reading

-GR

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I have no good reason (outiside of this being mafia) not to believe you for now. As for the town slip, I let myself be convinced by someone that it was insignificant.

There's no insignificant. Either it's a townslip or it isn't, and you thought it was and then you thought it wasn't (unless you voted someone whom you were almost sure was town), so what changed your mind?

Im just posting to say hi and that im reading

-GR

Who's imitating Game Replacement here?
-smart

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Also, this is Matrix6 right? In Matrix6, if a cop dies, the other PR is either doctor or nothing, and the mafia know which. So if the mafia are both goons, one of them can claim doctor and absolutely nobody can CC.

Did you even look at the setup after BTD6 claimed?
-smart

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Popping in to say I agree with a no-lynch today now that the game is picking up.

@smart, regarding post 184, I just never considered it. I'm not used to playing matrix setups so I never thought to look at the other angle. When he claimed, I just went with it.

@Brie, why Xnad? I could definitely see Vij, but Xnad not as much.

DW

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@smart I've not played many matrix 6 games actually, so I hadn't thought that through properly. I should have. But I'm sure we would have reconsidered if he hadn't died that night.

@DW PoE. I forgot Raya existed.

~Brie

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If we're gonna No Lynch, we shouldn't be discussing.
-smart

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Alright, no lynching

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I assumed I would be the NK last night, so I'm going to look at this from the angle of "why kill SS instead of me?"

I have been openly town-reading Xnad all game. If Xnad is actually scum, it would make sense for him to take me to endgame for that reason. Xnad was scaring SS, which might have spooked Xnad into offing him.

Brie, as I've stated a few times, is someone I've been wavering on quite a bit and have more or less always been willing to vote against. If she is scum, would it benefit her more to remove me from the game or keep me around? I feel like the first option would have been smarter for her.

GR replaces Vij, and neither have given the game much to work with. In a game where lurking scum would have it easy, GR's post 182 doesn't sit well with me. He pops in to say he's reading, but then two entire days go by without any content. If he is scum, does this mean he doesn't want to push hard for a mislynch and is just trying to ride out the day?

Raya is in a similar boat to Xnad. I've mostly town-read her, so it would make sense to keep me around if she's scum.


Roughly in order of likelihood:

Xnad - GR
Xnad - Raya or Raya - GR
Brie - GR
Xnad - Brie
Raya - Brie

At this point, I would lean toward Xnad/GR as the most likely team. Anyone?

DW

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I hadn't really thought through who the nk would probably be, but I hadn't expected Smart. He wasn't strong town in my book. He was just enough town, that I thought it was worth listening to him. But I probably would have kept reading him as town if he lived.

That line of thinking about Xnad seems sound to me. I think Raya has been townier than Vij. As you said Vij ha given us very little. Thought that was also the case with NM, and look where that went. I'll admit I have a irrational dislike of GR from a previous game, which I'm trying to not let skew my reads.

Now I'll just take another side I think is unlikely. The other reason Dogwood wasn't killed, could be that Dogwood was scum. But he can't be scum with me, and none of the others seems likely. If he was scum, he'd probably be pushing on me. So DW is still town in my head.

Someone else please come and post so something can happen. Unless the day is getting short, I'm not going anywhere without more input.

I can only post here when I'm at my computer, so it'll be a little infrequent.

~Brie

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Anyone? Please?

~Brie

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Yea this is pretty frustrating. I feel like Brie and I are the only ones really trying to solve the game, but I can't keep coming up with new content until people post.

Actually, I did think of one thing: the night phases did not end quickly, even went over the deadline I think. If scum were active/semi-active players like Brie, Raya, and myself, would the nights have been shorter? If you have scum that's paying attention to the game, wouldn't they have submitted their actions pretty fast? Maybe, maybe not, but to me it lends some support to an Xnad/GR team, who barely seem to be paying attention at all.

DW

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Sorry about the inactivity.

I mostly agree with what has been said. I'm really seeing the Xnad/GR team as being the most likely and the very small amount of content they have given us is concerning. I really like Brie and I really like Dog so I'm almost certain at the very least one scum lies in Xnad and GR and I think I would be surprised if not both.

Like Brie I never really thought about who would probably die next but SS was still a surprise. Once I have more time I'll take a closer look at that.

Dog brings up an interesting point in his last post. It does make sense to say that the night probably would have been a lot quicker if scum were active. That said, it could have been just as simple as the time GIF was available to post. It's still something interesting to thimk about though.

-Raya

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Good point there. I just get this feeling though that the three of us are here agreeing with one another and not really trying hard. I like Raya too, so I suppose we better go for Xnad or GR. Anyone have a preference for who we lynch first?

~Brie

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Lynch Xnad?

DW

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You guys are awful. Don't sign up for games if you're not going to play.

I'm going to vote Xnad right now. Two of you should follow me. If we hit scum, and I think we will, excellent. If we don't, we put this game out of its misery. I hardly care anymore.

DW

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Sorry about not posting. Having multiple accounts messes up subscribing if I'm not careful, and I forgot to check until last night at which time I was one my phone and didn't have the right account to post here.

I's personally prefer GR/Vij, but which ever will do. I don't care much either.

~Brie

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I'm happy with an xnad lynch so I'll put my vote there.

-Raya