Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[innocentvillager]

hi

[innocentvillager]

im scared of spewing my partner as well

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Datisi clearly scum

[innocentvillager]

;)

[innocentvillager]

ok thanks

[innocentvillager]

iv, can you give me your opinion of the conversations happening on the first 2 pages, this is of utmost importance

I haven’t read it yet

I saw my name a few times that’s a lot given that I hadn’t said anything yet

[innocentvillager]

go and read it, it takes like 5 minutes jfc

this is the Datisi I missed while on hiatus

[innocentvillager]

<3

[innocentvillager]

I agree with Datisi that the first page is not a difficult or lengthy read!

thanks it’s making it less daunting by the second

[innocentvillager]

yes. part of it is in jest, because i know innocentvillager will match into anything he can to call me scum early (he's a treasure), part of it I s serious as i am not in the mood to listen to arguments about how i'm scum because i offered to help someone.

would you like to declare a scumread on me because of being concerned about my own image?

this feels NAI to me

Datisi will probably become more readable over time I think

I don’t think I particularly care for faker’s suspicion on Datisi tho but I don’t want to discourage him from pursuing what he believes

[innocentvillager]

if I call u scum for that Datisi it’s purely as a joke I do stuff like that all the time and I know ur capable of this as either Alignment too

if ur referring to that thing I called u scum briefly for in 2207 I think that was like a more reasonable thing loll cmon I’m not that petty

[innocentvillager]

I know everyone else has an avatar, I tried to upload one but it wouldn't go so I'll try to work around the dashboard some more and figure it out.

most likely too big of an image. i can resize it for you if you want.

(the first person to call this a pocket attempt is getting slapped.)

this feels like same artery

[innocentvillager]

Faker, what’s your preferred alignment I see u r pretty experienced

[innocentvillager]

who is this troll

[innocentvillager]

i think save the dragons = scum

Y?

[innocentvillager]

i wasn't planning on commenting on this yet in detail, since i kind of wanted to see iv's response first, but considering that george already revealed part of it in 37, and on second thought, i don't think iv as either alignment lies about this here considering this stuff is objectively checkable on the forum, so:

what response are you referring to and what did you see from me I’m confused

[innocentvillager]

i didn't have to wait to see, because i knew exactly what was going to happen - iv was going to call me scum, literally no matter my introduction. that's how we open every game at this point. he tends to get very paranoid of me early on, i tend to scumread him early on until he steps on the gas, so we start getting those early scumreads out as soon as the game starts, as by now they've become a meme between us.

this is obviously what happens I guess but it kind of takes the magic out of it when you lay it out like that

[innocentvillager]

if I call u scum for that Datisi it’s purely as a joke I do stuff like that all the time and I know ur capable of this as either Alignment too

if ur referring to that thing I called u scum briefly for in 2207 I think that was like a more reasonable thing loll cmon I’m not that petty

i *know* it's a joke

i wasn't referring to anything specific (was more @ your general hurr durr never townread datisi stuff), what are you even talking about from 2207? (like, i genuinely don't remember.) also i don't think you ever called me scum for offering to help someone, how's this relevant?

i can’t remember but there was one that I attacked u for and you got really defensive and couldn’t believe Town!me would come up with that and almost scumread me for pushing you in bad faith idk what it was about tho

I’m just saying if I had called you scum for that kind of pockety behavior specifically it would’ve been in a joking way because I feel like it’s something I would do as either alignment (like being helpful in a non game related way for the sake of it, not to advance an evil scum agenda)

[innocentvillager]

i am slightly annoyed because what i want to say is "if i were to roll scum against iv, i would 1000% be worried about his perception of me because that fucker knows how scum!me breathes, but my early on 'worry' about iv scumreading me is genuinely nai and i would do it as either alignment because it's a meme between us that we always scumread each other early"

but that both (1) makes me look more worried about the game's perception of me (and i guess not everyone subscribes to my thinking of "town gets worried about their image too") and (2) makes it seem like i'm pocketing iv even more by saying i would be worried about town!him as scum

mafia is difficult

I feel like ur over explaining this particular thing a lot and idk if I Find it +town or +scum

I think the average person would dislike this blanketly but knowing u i honestly don’t really know how scum you thinks differently from town you

like do you really think I am able to properly read you given ur one scumgame we played together I forgot u were scum?

[innocentvillager]

p e r f o r m a t i v e

is the shade I’m looking for here

[innocentvillager]

innocentvillager im too scared to read (:

y you were the earliest to peg me as scum in the other game, im surprised you feel you are scared or don't have confidence in reading me..

[innocentvillager]

and, no, i don't think town!you would immediately nail scum!me in the first 3 pages or whatever. but you would still be the probably biggest headache for me in this playerlist, because i know you're extremely difficult to misyeet / shut out due to being capable of obvtowning and posting a lot, *and* i know you will constantly be analyzing every single thing i say and that you have decent experience with me as both alignments.

scum lolcatting me by talking about ur actual scum thought process

performative? definitely. i will wait for you to explain how is it scummy, though

fine you win town!you is performative and thought spewy as well

do u have a notes PT this game datisi

[innocentvillager]

george doesn't give me the vibe that he wants to shoot himself every time he's posting something, so that can be a early townlean.

do u remember how u felt about him in 2207 early and how it compares to this?

[innocentvillager]

he failed the vibe check.

specifically, 75 has nasty nasty vibes
him commenting about how deep it is, but not adding any comment otherwise felt weird imo.

yeah im not really sure how to read STD

i thought he was scum just coasting/being minimalist/trying to be likeable in this one game (DEFCON) but he turned out to be town

i think i see what ur saying but i feel like it's just him

[innocentvillager]

i will say im enjoying the pace that this game is going at tbh one of the reasons i hiatused was bc i was getting too invested and spending too much time on this instead of real work lol and i know most of the plist which is fun too

[innocentvillager]

lol i think unwnd is town

[innocentvillager]

lol i think unwnd is town

based on something i read in a scum pt that i stalked, i think this is very slightly >rand town

also @norwee, why do i get the boring username

my comment is +town for me or unwnd's comment is +town for him

what scum pt

[innocentvillager]

idk, i didn't feel like it i guess

i mean u don't have a notes PT when ur scum so

[innocentvillager]

hot take: gypyx doesn't make me want to instantly kill him to he's probably town

i do not. i'm just thinking of that one moment in mid-d1 when he was like "that was my tinfoil on luca!!!" where my reaction to that was "uh oh that don't sound too good", and how right now i don't get that feeling

something about this quote made me dig for the above quote idk what it was exactly

what is the point of me even posting this idk

pedit: hmm i mean maybe

but i think there's a counterexample to that read in a game we have played, can u think of what im thinking of?

[innocentvillager]

idk, i didn't feel like it i guess

i mean u don't have a notes PT when ur scum so

Wrong, Actually

i expected this, so i went to properly count, and it turns out that i've had a notes pt in 100% of my 2021 scumgames, but i've had a notes pt in only about 70% of my 2021 towngames

you can now locktown me

im still stuck in 2020-Datisi then

[innocentvillager]

you seem okay enough rn
innocentvillager im too scared to read (:

VOTE: marcistar

i don't have a problem with marci's treatment of me i don't think

is it too much to ask for u to elaborate on this

[innocentvillager]

i wish gypyx was in this game man

[innocentvillager]

ok marci

im not sure what the best way to ask this is but how would u describe ur scumgame vs towngame

take like, Newbie 2061 as an example scumgame idk

[innocentvillager]

well so in 2175 when we were scum together ur main "push" on me was my lack of provided content/reads

and i think u called my georgebailey townread BS when he hadn't posted anythign at all at that point (when it was , obviously)

the contrast in attitude here feels a bit 180 to that so im more wondering if that's something u actually believe or something u bullshitted as a scum fake push against me that game

[innocentvillager]

idk if im being clear ik im bad at communicating some of my nicher thoughts to ppl sometimes

like i guess the parallel is u "fake scumread" me for TRing George last time bc u called it a BS read, but here you're townleaning me for the early TR on low content unwnd. so im wondering if ur attitude towards this kind of read (whether it's on me or not) changed over time, or if the reason in 2175 was bullshit to begin with because we were both scum (in the sense that u don't think u would've found it suspicious IF u were town)

[innocentvillager]

idk, this just seemed a bit off? like i figured there was enough content to maybe get a townread on someone, and the "i have people to vote but haha vacation" just reads wrong. the word i'm looking for is probably performative. can't tell you much more, it feels fine on the surface but /shrug

i think i got the exact opposite impression

[innocentvillager]

since everyone else feels the need to make big walls.

[innocentvillager]

no that's fine marci

for me something about ur thoughts and openness just in general seem p organic to me but im thinking it's just a playstyle thing at this point

[innocentvillager]

I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me

you have 6 townreads already?

can you explain the M&M and nor reads? the marci one too would be helpful ig

[innocentvillager]

If Datisi townreads them, IV prob scum.

Post 121 pinged me scum. I'm voting with STD.
VOTE: InnocentVillager

can u elaborate on these?

[innocentvillager]

There are two reads based on gut, why do you only care about one of them?

because i already have unwnd as town?

[innocentvillager]

why is that enough for u to suspect me? me townreading a slot that at the time didn't have much content?

do u genuinely think it is more likely that i am scum bullshitting a townread on an inactive here than town who thinks he has a tonal read?

[innocentvillager]

>Scum!IV registers town!Unwnd as an dangerous player to go against as town. Would not want to end up in an scenario where he scumreads them.
>Town!Unwnd posts some random posts that don't seem very alignment indicative.
>Scum!IV immediately posts an awkward post buddying Unwnd by giving the positive impression of believing they are town already.

i don't think this is a real scenario for scum!me tbh

but i guess i can see why ud believe this is a scenario without knowing me

[innocentvillager]

eh VOTE: NorwegianboyEE this seems like a better place for my vote

[innocentvillager]

it's a tonal thing and im not sure how i feel that Datisi got the exact opposite impression as me

idk if i really want to go into detail about reading unwnd just in case i have to use it in the future

if enough people really want it from me i guess i can talk about it but id sitll rather not if i don't have to

[innocentvillager]

was it the weed

is that why you tr him

i mean i didn't really consider the weed but maybe it like very slightly weakens my read on him if thinking about it more maybe yes maybe not

[innocentvillager]

>Scum!IV registers town!Unwnd as an dangerous player to go against as town. Would not want to end up in an scenario where he scumreads them.
>Town!Unwnd posts some random posts that don't seem very alignment indicative.
>Scum!IV immediately posts an awkward post buddying Unwnd by giving the positive impression of believing they are town already.

i don't think this is a real scenario for scum!me tbh

but i guess i can see why ud believe this is a scenario without knowing me

eh VOTE: NorwegianboyEE this seems like a better place for my vote

?

what's weird about this?

just because i can believe this belief *could* come from town!norway means i can't still be wary of him..?

[innocentvillager]

idk why not

pedit: i don't TR norway and im getting 2207 vibes to a degree from him

maybe it's just *him* but im also kind of done trusting gut reads on him being town

[innocentvillager]

but i wouldn't call a vote just "being wary" of someone

i mean that's u and this is me

i just kind of felt like voting him

[innocentvillager]

idk why not

i mean you kind of took it seriously which makes me think you're trying to be overdefensive

yes im being defensive because suddenly votes are piling onto me

[innocentvillager]

including you

idk who's scum here or if any of u are but this is getting kind of tilting rn

[innocentvillager]

i don't even know how to defend against u saying I reached a certain level of defensiveness therefore im scum

i just don't

[innocentvillager]

you don't have to that's the problem

you said some joke that i read, was like, i mean i guess i didn't pay much attention to the weed aspect, explained about how i felt because u were one of the people pushing me

now ur accusing me of being "overdefensive" without anything other than "oh he's being defensive and didn't need to respond to that =SCUM" based on some arbitrary metric that u decided was for some reason scum!indicative

[innocentvillager]

Like, are you scumreading me or not.

i don't know. im not very good at finding scumreads in general. if i had to put a lean rn i think ur weakly leaning below null because ur push on me feels shallow and inciting which reminds me of interactions we had in 2207 when i was trying to get explanation out of you.

[innocentvillager]

im also just tilted rn but trying to make sure im not being toxic cuz everyone hates that shit including myself

[innocentvillager]

i think there's a real reason for std suspecting me here that hasn't been mentioned but i kinda want to hear it from him first if im right

[innocentvillager]

im a bit confused

innocentvillager,

is ur reasons for voting norwegianboy just cuz u felt like it and ur paranoid of him? or am i understanding this wrong?
i was honestly kinda wanting to vote him as well, but its not something i have any reasonings in and im not confident in it at all.

i kind of had townvibes on u, but ur recent posts seem a bit weird imo.
what r u feeling rn..? frustrated?

im not sure what ur confused about, your interpretation of everything is correct

what's specifically scummy about what u think im doing and why did u have townvibes on me in the first place ?

[innocentvillager]

i don’t really vicariously remember why I was tilted yesterday

I don’t have as much time to think about this game as I did in the past during weekdays, i can’t really spend too much of my workday on this

but I’ll reevaluate at some point I. The near future about how I feel about things

[innocentvillager]

i think there's a real reason for std suspecting me here that hasn't been mentioned but i kinda want to hear it from him first if im right

STD there is no reason other than the overdefensive one u outlined as to why u sus me?

[innocentvillager]

also STD does Faker remind you a bit of gorilla in defcon or am I just craZy

[innocentvillager]

Town

Also faker why am I difficult to read? I feel like u talked about my townread on unwnd then just started talking about unwnd

My read there is based on my understanding of unwnd’s play although I am less confident my initial read was real, I still feel okay about unwnd being town for now

[innocentvillager]

I was thinking there’s some meta that would’ve gone into that read as well

Are u a “idc about meta” guy tho

[innocentvillager]

i guess I don’t really know how to read STD either

I think coming forth with the 6 townreads our the gate is really unnecessarily ballsy if scum tho but scum can do that too ig

[innocentvillager]

I was literally just thinking how about how my mentality for this game is. A bit different between this game and drfcon and how that could’ve set you off a bit

I was pressured but not nearly as defensive that game I’m surprised that wasn’t a part of ur read

[innocentvillager]

faker everything else equal yes I say slight townlean obviously there’s the chance it’s just a playstyle grouping thing but it’s still a likelihood read

At the very least, you are capable of straightforwardly generating a lot of specific thoughts while still appearing to remain open minded which is difficult to do as scum - I can’t at least as scum

[innocentvillager]

i was scumreading you in defcon and was wrong so i'm wary of that; part of me is wondering if you're just always a false positive on my scumdar

why did u scumread me that game

I feel like I’m p different to that game here idk lol

[innocentvillager]

Vote mr if you think im scum

how do I vote mr

[innocentvillager]

Of course the league player would be passive-aggressive

I appreciated the irony here

[innocentvillager]

also STD does Faker remind you a bit of gorilla in defcon or am I just craZy

I’m starting to take this back

[innocentvillager]

i was scumreading you in defcon and was wrong so i'm wary of that; part of me is wondering if you're just always a false positive on my scumdar

why did u scumread me that game

I feel like I’m p different to that game here idk lol

i don't remember, i think it had to do with who you replaced

so you didn’t actually scumread my posting just mognet’s posting? how does that make u think I could be a systematic false positive on ur scumdar then..

[innocentvillager]

i think ur a superstar unwnd

[innocentvillager]

<3 great plist this is

[innocentvillager]

here’s where I pocket all of you

[innocentvillager]

Marci are you an alt??

[innocentvillager]

Let's lim IV and see what happens

that would be a poor idea

[innocentvillager]

also what the f

sorry to see you go faker don’t take anything too personally on here, mafia gets heated

[innocentvillager]

welcome

[innocentvillager]

i see the new replacements kept things popping

I’d probably be TRing math if I didn’t feel he was a strong scum player but unwnd was fine so

[innocentvillager]

Datisi can you explain why you townread me please?

[innocentvillager]

I have it on good authority that struggling to place your vote is +scum. If you're town probably M&M

good authority as in marci’s own self evaluation of her play?

[innocentvillager]

Datisi can you explain why you townread me please?

the "why do you townread me for my unwnd read when i had a similar read on georgebailey when i was scum" arc, mostly. i'm thinking you bringing that up, knowing that it's likely to kill a reason of why i was townreading you, you had genuine intentions of trying to figure out if i was lying about my reasoning and that you didn't care if you destroyed my townread of you in the process.

this isn't *super* solid, but i know you become an easier read as the game goes on, so i'm not gonna sweat about it too much rn

but maybe that’s what scum!me wants you to think?

[innocentvillager]

okay I mean if it’s just for that reason eh idk

[innocentvillager]

i think I’m weakly seeing Datisi as town here

pedit: wow good timing

[innocentvillager]

I need to see more from you but Aorn I think ur fine this game tbh

[innocentvillager]

I take it back idk

[innocentvillager]

I haven’t really given this game much proper attention yet if I’m being totally honest

hopefully I’ll muster up the motivation before deadline or somthing maybe not

[innocentvillager]

math I think assuming i try to play “optimally” as scum is not a good assumption for me specifically

I can see why you might think I wouldn’t just nag town!Datisi here as scum for no reason out the gate but I prolly would somehow tbh

[innocentvillager]

“Then that makes you bad scum player”

yes, tell me something I don’t already know

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: norwegianboyee

Yeah this is prob town. Marcistar just thinking they caught me as scum for being lazy and not pushing IV harder or some BS.

it seems like you are fitting a reason to your read here - by virtue of her being town to you you come up with some explanation for why she did what she did

[innocentvillager]

I guess I should be more appreciative of the wk’ing from math even if I don’t really care for the reasons

[innocentvillager]

what do you find scummy about him again?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: norwegianboyee

Yeah this is prob town. Marcistar just thinking they caught me as scum for being lazy and not pushing IV harder or some BS.

it seems like you are fitting a reason to your read here - by virtue of her being town to you you come up with some explanation for why she did what she did

Flash wagon Norway?

this quote specifically idk if it makes me think he’s scum? Could also be confbiased town

[innocentvillager]

i got the “confbiastown town” or “mafia driving a narrative” vibe because it strongly contrasts his reaction towards my vote on him, which he just didn’t like because of omgus or whatever and he was already scumreading me at the time

[innocentvillager]

a lot of it is gut but his vote on norwee sucks eggs and i think he's got nervous scum energy by trying to defend himself too much

why is my Norway vote more likely to come from scum me than town me?

I defend myself a lot as either alignment because no matter what alignment I am getting day-eliminated is really bad

[innocentvillager]

what is town about m/m

[innocentvillager]

i think im at like

{STD, Math} - townlean
{Datisi, Dwlee} - townish i guess
{marci} - ehh conflicted
{Nor, George, M&M} - null

[innocentvillager]

innocentvillager, marcistar, GeorgeBailey

so Math is saying that these are the top D1 wagons and no one gave a fuck? that sounds familiar lmao

ive used that one before:

in Newbie 2058 as scum (as an excuse when my partner was in the pool)
in Mini Normal 2207 as town when i suspected scum was content with the wagons (correct)

Math probably isn't a "hurr durr wifom this wifom that" scum player given how he's logicing through everything and talking about "optimal play has a clear agenda behind every"

so when he brings this up he's only ever scum if he's with innocentvillager, marcistar, GeorgeBailey as an excuse to save them UNLESS he thinks town is so apathetic that we're just never going to kill him or his partner (think that's too weird of gambit in this crowd ?)

i feel like it makes the most sense for him to be my partner given how hard he's WKing me (and ive done this exact thing as scum before) but im not scum soooooooooooo like what is the scum motivation for him to do this? just pocket me, an unknown, with no other agenda? he's not doing a great job saving his partner marci or George if my elimination doesn't go through

idk feels p townie i could just be getting fucking owned though

[innocentvillager]

maybe i am wrong in my assumption that Math is a very logical scumplayer

coming in here and going off on everything doesn't seem like a very logical thing to do unless there's a very specific thing he's trying to accomplish

the occam's razor argument here feels like it's a lot more likely that he's just town stating his mind and stubbornly trying to find scum. idk if he's trying to do some weird reverse meta thing though but apparently he's not because Datisi feels like Math is doing some of the same shit he did in some previous scumgame

[innocentvillager]

STD your case feels like it boils down a lot to 1) fencesitting 2) not explaining everything i do 3) "over"-defending myself

i feel like I've already discussed 3) a few times i really don't know what else to say to that, i defend myself as either alignment i guess okay

1) fencesitting is just... me tbh i think some ppl here can vouch for that. i think being overconfident is bad and ive been overconfident before and i hate being wrong. although as i typed out some of my thoughts on Math i think that is becoming my first actual real TR in this game so far
2) if mutliple people really want me to explain something important i can try at this point, sometimes i would rather not explain something specific for various reasons unless i have to. but i don't think that's a great reason to scumread someone

[innocentvillager]

math do u agree with my logic for why i think you are town?

[innocentvillager]

i dunno man, after all that i'm not sure i'm sold on iv

Ya
my initial impression of IV is that on a cursory look he isn't doing anything wrong?
Right now I would like to hear your thoughts on if Math and Unwnd's contributions come from town and if marci's behaviors are townie?
Right now I think that Math and unwnd's contributions did not come from town (Unwnd has done literally nothing and Math is obvscum and can explain more later. I do not believe MathBlade is scumhunting and I do not believe they are being an honest villager). I think that Marci is trying to pretend to be town. That was my gut impression earlier, that Marci is really just trying to look like she's a townie. And when I felt she responded to Dwlee's concerns, I saw that as how scum would react to Dwlee's concern.

what do u think scum!Math's agenda is here? as i mentioned in some of my above posts i don't really see it

[innocentvillager]

i think they're actually pretty easy to read based on their images which means they aren't just shitposting, and i feel like scum!M&Ms doesn't take a break from posting images to give their reads in a readable format

STD i feel like you didn't really explain ur M/M townread even though you address it multiple times

why do you like they've posted/why are they easy to read through their images/why is scum not likely to drop the troll gimmick at some point

[innocentvillager]

idk about this math push

I don’t really see any real scum!indicative reasons? And most importantly, for the kind of player he is, who could he be scum with and whats the scum! motivation for his actions?

[innocentvillager]

scum!M&Ms doesn't get bored of trolling. town!M&Ms have a different agenda and they presumably wanted to play mafia to hunt for scum. trolling doesn't accomplish that, so because they got bored they resorted to scumhunting. even if scum!m&ms got bored of trolling, they probably would have resorted to something else rather than fake scum hunting. that's what i think anyway.

i don’t really agree that there’s necessarily a big distinction here as you say

I am starting to feel like the directness and tone here there’s something here, I just don’t feel like I cna rly parse it into a townread the way you are

[innocentvillager]

The scum motivation is that he is wying for control. And trying to dominate the game as an wolf and eliminate opposition.

I mean maybe

i still feel like there is a difference between what he is doing (pissing a bunch of ppl off, trying to aggressive shift people off of the main couple wagons), and an actual scum agenda to control everyone

maybe I just feel this way because I’m getting WK’d by him and not pissed off lol

[innocentvillager]

math why do you have a final solve at this stage?

i don’t know if I love the case on M/M, the only thing I can see is that marci/George is an easy solve rn but tbh I have both near my bottom too

[innocentvillager]

where was the transphobic comment again? not game related but obviously should still be reprimanded

[innocentvillager]

i can see how i dont look like a townie, i think i sometimes play kinda scummy.

why can you see how you don’t look like a townie?

I remember you and George as town were kind of elimbait for the longest time in Newbie 2058 so I buy this as a statement in general

[innocentvillager]

I agree that M&Ms was being shitty for calling you it and not really apologizing about it. I think they should apologize asap

[innocentvillager]

Ya this narative spinning is something that ur doing a lot and it’s not townie

it feels very narrativy but I’m not convinced it’s scum agenda rather than confbiased town

[innocentvillager]

he's not doing a great job saving his partner marci or George if my elimination doesn't go through

Datisi I did say that as the first reasoning

But then my part two i think is basically just he’s not doing a great job saving Marci or George especially by whiteknighting me so really I think the only pairing to me that makes a whole lot of sense objectively is with me

[innocentvillager]

ok fineee

without going into too many specifics bc I’m gonna play with you again probably lol

i think scum!you will appear townier than town!you. I feel like your presence isn’t dominating the game and you are letting things flow but still pushing the things that stick to you. I feel like scum you is a bit more lamisty and I think a lot of people would be fooled by the depth of thought to them. I’m recalling something like 2175 where your scumgame just had everyone straight up fooled, but the towngames I’ve seen you in (TM, 2207, 2180 less so I think u were p townie D2? Idk) you weren’t actually Overwhelm ppl with ur presence and monologues

I probably took some of it back a) not really wanted to explain my read too much (welp) b) maybe I shouldn’t be putting that much stock into old selective meta and c) if my “he’s not spewing town all over this game” alert isn’t going off maybe that’s still not a towntell d) because I felt like it. Idk like my opinion of u is very weird and it’s all kind of nebulous in my head, idk if any of that made sense

[innocentvillager]

like I kind of think you know what it takes to dominate this game and you’re willing to put in the effort to improve your scumgame and I kinda feel like we’d see more of that this game if ur scum but idk how much I believe in that assumption

[innocentvillager]

oh ya I remember seeing him saying that and being like lmao no that’s completely false but I didn’t bother saying anything at the time idk

[innocentvillager]

Lmao hi Alisae

[innocentvillager]

std I think ur “scum mms only wants to troll” argument just went out the window

[innocentvillager]

std I think ur “scum mms only wants to troll” argument just went out the window

why

Alisae is a v good and motivated scum player I feel like, maybe even more so than town ig
I mean you were in defcon too

I just don’t think switching out of the gimmick is AI to me either direction but maybe ur still seeing something I’m not?

[innocentvillager]

I don’t currently have a negative read on Datisi Alisae

It’s more of a: town (??????) read

[innocentvillager]

sorry I’ll get to this a bit later tn

[innocentvillager]

VT here

[innocentvillager]

hi sorry im on vacay for and honestly dont really wanna read more

took a quick skim but i didn't really understand the mech discussions

if it's autowin let's just do it feels like it should be? or is it not autowin? who claimed what - marci JK and whos the other PR

[innocentvillager]

okay couple questions making sure I’m not misunderstanding the sitch

ppl were claiming and then just stopped because we don’t want to out more info?? So Norway and dwlee are the only ones unclaimed? why did this half assed massclaim happen because we either should’ve not massclaimed at all or fully massclaimed? (Probably shouldn’t have massclaimed at all imo but ppl wanted it so idk?)

Math do you think it’s Basically autowin here? Can u just quite ur current strategy that basically wins or loses if X Y Z or true/

[innocentvillager]

also it’s possible scum no killed last night without their strawman right so if that’s why std is getting all this flak idk if that by itself is a good reason given he has been townie?

[innocentvillager]

ok what else

i am surprised that game is unlocked already considering ot hasn't been 48 hours yet, unless everyone aaked for fast night other than me but ok

and also i don't think scum!dwlee with partner george makes 888, ever. so.

i like this kind of logic in general and don't think scum!datisi points something niche like this out to hurt his own wincon?

i don't think datisi is scum

math, std, dwlee are probably town

scum is prolly in {alisae, nor} if i had to guess i weakly feel stronger about nor but idrk

[innocentvillager]

That’s right. Me and George rolled scum together for the NTH time.

I REPEAT:

ME AND GEORGE ROLLED SCUM TOGETHER FOR THE NTH TIME

why are alisae and nor town again? is that what ur implying

[innocentvillager]

oh i didn't mean to quote that

i just thought it was funny because if nor and george were scum together and he literally lolcatted this it would've been pretty funny to tell everyone at end of game

is it bad that i think that's what might've happened this feels like something scum!me would do

[innocentvillager]

Option A or B will be proven true if I am jailed and a kill happens. This enables everyone to go back through day one and ask why. Marci + myself + (redacted) conf town.

okay thanks, i still have a few questions

so marci jails you and scum kill marci, then instead of ur townpool listed above the townpool is you + follower + follower target?

what if we don't have a follower

what if marci jails the follower

if follower does exist and follower does out then what if scum kill follower then they can't get that inno

[innocentvillager]

If it’s option C then scum get less places they can kill and it’s a repeat of the same scenario.
Repeat by policying me or whoever Marci jails. Then scum have same dilemma and smaller PoE. They’ll be PoE’d to death. If we have a follower then follower will eventually get an inno whenever scum kills or might just get a guilty if Marci blocks intended scum victim.

this part makes sense i can't imagine scum don't HAVE to kill with 2 of these PRs out there with the JK out there..

[innocentvillager]

hmm idk i don't really feel convinced that any of these scenarios are really autowin ? maybe im just fucking stupid sorry? i kind of feel like you're just saying "if X then Y then Z then A should do B and we have C conftown players in this scenario"

like even in a great scenario where we have follower, scum kills marci, then we have 3 conftowns (sure if follower hits scum we win but how likely is that), we still only have a 2/3 shot in winning in theory, unless u think scum is just spewed scum by associatives (idk if i rly believe that)

and i think the scenarios where babysitter exists are just worse, scum can try to kill marci without any real consequence, or they can gamble to hit babysitter/follower and kill marci as a bonus if babysitter heals marci

idk i agree we're in a great spot and we can get some conftowns but i think the autowin still feels a bit elusive now with all these contingencies, and im getting flashbacks to solo scum!Nor plowing through 7 townies (granted that was a closed setup without much info so def easier) - not that that has anything to do with his alignment this game just want ppl to be CAUTIOUS ig

[innocentvillager]

why are alisae and nor town again? is that what ur implying

oh idk if u missed it or are working on it/putting it off but can u respond to this?

[innocentvillager]

I don't know what to make of this if its town who has those reads is clueless and has no idea what is going on or is not even thinking about it, or scum who is just cornered but even if he's successful with one of those endeavors he has nowhere to go he can't move norwee except by night.

idunno
why is this guy scum again?

sorry if i am clueless can you explain to me like am tho?

[innocentvillager]

iv why has most of your recent posting been about mech
i see you have a poe of nor/ali but can you like, Talk about it and show your towny thought process or something

because mech is important in an open setup when we r close to winning probably moreso than reads?

as far as my reads the other slots I see some redeeming qualities in that's what a poe is

i just don't really find much towny about either Nor or Ali ig so i want to know why some people are hard defending them?

actually VOTE: NorwegianboyEE might as well

nothing Alisae has done makes me think out of scumrange especially knowing what he's capable of as scum, although tbf im not really sure if im good enough to find anything out of scumrange anyway. idk i just don't really know on this slot.

same goes for nor I don't really see how that slot is town like ppl think he is? tonally he feels the same as in every game i guess i don't really know how to read him. in the past i think activity and energy was a decent tell for him but idk anymore and he hasn't exactly had a huge presence this game. The defending george/pushing me when george was a candidate and the lolcatting about being george's partner also both set me off but idk if i really put much stock into those things anyway

pedit: datisi right now

[innocentvillager]

tbh it slightly bothers me that you are telling me to "show my towny thought process" directly doesn't that just tell scum!me what to talk about and say? why not reserve that part in private ig, if u really thought me only talking about mech was somehow scumindicative why not just wait for me to keep spewing mech

eh maybe there's nothing to be worried about here but ill just post this anyways

[innocentvillager]

he hasn't exactly had a huge presence this game

If you want a hint, this is a lot more meaningful than you think it is IV.

why is that town indicative? last time i played with scum!Norway i forgot he was in the game multiple times

[innocentvillager]

yeah that was in relation to Nor not you

re you: um is it bad that i feel like you've been very present this game since u switched to your main then...

i feel like you are one of the dominant voices as both town and scum

[innocentvillager]

just to be clear

you're saying i shoudl be townreading you here because

*as scum you always try to control the town for the whole game and as town you sit back until you need to
*you trolled all D1 basically and didn't try to control town because you were town, and if you were wscum you would've tried to butt in
*when a scum dies, that's the trigger for town!you to start participating because you feel like you need to

is that right?

[innocentvillager]

@datisi ill try to elaborate more on my TRs tomorrow/thursday. also a good opportunity for me to go over them again.

and what u said made a lot of sense and that's partly why i realized mid-post that my concern was probably nothing but wanted to hear it from u anyway

[innocentvillager]

okay std since we might lim here

I feel like the whole “call IV and my partner scum”, push town!innocentvillager, have a couple sympathizers, then back off a little unsure, then static sheep town!Datisi directly onto strongman partner instead feels like especially poor scum play (no offense if ur scum std lol)

It doesn’t really get u that much cree but more importantly there were two other very viable mislims in me and marci he totally could’ve pushed (and he did throughout the game but still chose his strongman partner)

I don’t think it’s just the bus vote itself I think it’s the fact that other clearly superior, still natural looking options were available to him

I kind of got a similar vibe about dwlee but I’ll have to look at that one again, I could be getting biased by datisi’s defense of him

[innocentvillager]

i think the way he “solved the game” at the beginning and has been trying to push me/get other people to do come onto me but has been readjusting back and forth also felt towny, and if it’s being done in a slimy opportunistic way that’s in stark contrast with the really bad bus on George (tho it’s not impossible ig, idk)

I think the fact that like he’s doing a lot of stuff despite having such few words feels towny, although it is weird to me that I struggled to find this vibe in his town defcon game, but that’s only one game so

I liked his “do better tmr” reaction after votes piled onto him today, although he could just be conceding with low effort gambit, but normally I think scum fight a little harder or just flake completely

[innocentvillager]

I will admit that the D1 felt better than the d2 tho so if he’s just deflated scum now somehow then ig I could see that

But on balance I think the D1 trajectory just makes little to no sense as scum so that’s where I’m putting my most stock in for now

I get that he was the jail target but there could’ve been multiple reasons no kill happened, std played p well D1 so I could see scum killing him or (unlikely but possible) going for the no kill wifom

[innocentvillager]

math what do u think about my point on std’s D1 trajectory?

[innocentvillager]

I don’t see a reason to rush std’s death

Datisi would u flashwagon nor or Ali?

[innocentvillager]

or we could win the game by limming IV today.

I agree but Math and Alisae were screaming at me.

Because this is suboptimal.
For two reasons:
If IV is scum IV would have to shoot George.
IV shooting George doesn’t make sense.

Any guess is strictly worse than a mechanical likely guilty.
No matter how sure you are.

what does this mean

[innocentvillager]

i already said ali is town because e hammered george without getting him to out a pr (when i'm pretty sure i remember a post of ali saying how e knows the strategy of outing a pr on the way down and that that's the correct play, i can try to find it if you want) and nor is one of the unclaimed people which might be better left for tomorrow - tbh i still think he's the most likely scum via the associates w george but he will have to get cleared at some point, probably tomorrow if both std/math are misses (unless pr in which case he also gets cleared tomorrow via claim) so y'know

oh yeah this is a good point Ali is probably not scum then I’ll have to recheck at some pojnt

[innocentvillager]

should i be worried about the fact that your only analysis so far has been on the one person that the town is set on killing and that it's p much parroting what i said about him?

I’m giving thoughts on him in hope of it changing something but clearly no one really cares

I don’t recall you saying this? Did u make this same argument I did for std town or something?

[innocentvillager]

i don’t know why you’re characterizing that as my “only analysis so far” do you mean D2? I feel like throughout this game I have given a decent amount of my thoughts...

[innocentvillager]

oh that

I mean I’m just talking about ti from my pov I don’t really feel the same

for me it’s the fact that he totally could’ve continued pushing me in the poe since I was near the top candidate

I think his second bus vote onto George in a vacuum as a reason is meh

[innocentvillager]

I’ll admit I’m probably not as obvtown as I usually am which is why I’m okay with ur suspicion on me

keep in mind tho that i was on vacay, im not nearly as engaged with mafia as I used to be, I wasn’t on the George flip, and we’re in a good spot rn

I’m more of clutch situation kind of active spew

[innocentvillager]

I don’t like how this whole game you’ve been shading me every time I defend myself as scummy

I just wish I knew if it was scum indicative for u or not

[innocentvillager]

I think you usually solve with effort whenever you have been town. So for you to say you don’t just seems wrong.

i dont feel like im in a spot where my value added here matters much

i think std is town but town seems intent on killing him (or me now i guess???) and people dont care about my points like what am i supposed to do

do you really think scum!me would intentionally lie about my own playstyle as a defense? i don't know any scumplayers that would fake their own meta when basically everyone here knows me

[innocentvillager]

dwlee can you explain your vote please?

[innocentvillager]

i hope std is just scum here and this will all be for nothing but i feel like someone pushing me here is being slimy

if std is town i think either scum!Nor or scum!Dwlee is using the eventual townflip of STD to justify pushing my miselim for tomorrow? but that's kind of a narrativy argument because i feel like they're just in my PoE aorn

still don't see a great reason Nor is town here

STD seems fine ish i guess ive talked about him although it's sad he wants me gone

Datisi is doing all the right things and reactions especially interactions with me all feel fine but if he's scum owning me here then congrats to him. idk datisi probably town but ehh if im wrong on all the above im probably wrong here.

Alisae I guess is probably town for the reason Datisi pointed out, i think it's actually pretty strong

Math just doesnt feel like scum, he's clearly trying to spec everything out. but more importantly his actions D1 felt really unaligned/didn't actually move towards saving george and he definitely didn't need to end everything with a bus on his strongman where he's pigeonholed himself the next day into getting jailed

[innocentvillager]

dwlee why do you feel so unengaged? i dont think ive played with you before is this just your playstyle

i thought faker was ~fine but i don't feel like ive noticed your presence this game really

[innocentvillager]

one thing that is giving me pause on Nor is that he has kind of been in a happy vibe lately, which i wouldnt' really expect from scum unless he's faking it? could be he's scum just trolling because he sees no way out, idk

[innocentvillager]

come at me scum ! no chance you miselim me here

[innocentvillager]

actually will so sad if i just get flashwagoned tomorrow

[innocentvillager]

what is scummy about it??

[innocentvillager]

yah innocentvillagers just trying to be not like the other girls
and trying to leave it open so he can back out if he needs to

pretty sus bro

what does this mean marci

[innocentvillager]

you guys have a problem with me fucking explain yourselves

[innocentvillager]

like, from what ive seen it looks like ur just trying to like.. have opposite opinions?
am i understanding wrong..?

what are you talking about how can i "try" to have an opposite opinion

you think everyone who has an opinion that doesn't agree with a slight majority is "trying to have an opposite opinion"

like what

[innocentvillager]

i assume you're talking about me thinking std is town

although me defending him is just going to get me killed isn't it lmao why do i even say anything

[innocentvillager]

Alisae you think you can pick 3 ppl where scum are GUARANTEED to be in there? t

[innocentvillager]

{Nor, Dwlee, Datisi/STD} is my pool in that order probably

[innocentvillager]

i mean not really a guarantee i feel like, just the best i feel atm, but should win the game. but that's too many people and if im going out then we don't have enough mislims here

[innocentvillager]

it isn't autowin we've all established this we are just pretty likely to win...

[innocentvillager]

i dont townread you because i don't townread you

i was just wondering about your engagement level, i don't think i have a strong opinion about your response

please explain the scummy part

[innocentvillager]

you literally admitted yourself you were unengaged and you are calling it is useless question wtf

im literally giving you a chance to explain yourself how is that shade

[innocentvillager]

how do i get scumread for the most ridiculous things

[innocentvillager]

This will probably lose it’s merit since i’m pointing it out now. But i don’t think scum!you is as good as faking nervousness about the game or an flip.
Scum!you would probably just be like: "Yes, kill him. Good flip. If not scum we do X" in an robotic tone.

Have you been reading the past 10 pages where Datisi expresses nervousness and reservations about the std flip? why is this line townie to you here now

how could he possibly post that as scum here

[innocentvillager]

it feels scummy because it doesn’t really make sense to me

are you going to actually respond to my thing or just take unexplained potshots at me to fit the narrative that I’m scum here

[innocentvillager]

How did your question help sort me? You said yourself it didn't.

It was also right after I voted you and I don't even think I was particularly super disengaged. I mean I'm not engaged engaged cause I was just kinda like oh yea kill STD I guess but also i think I had a normal level of engagement relative to other players but you're talking about my engagement and trying to frame it a certain way.

so you have never asked a question out of curiosity that it might help sort somehow, get a response, and decide the response didn’t actually make you town or scum on them? I feel like you’re being really unfair here

im not trying to frame anything and if that is genuinely what you thought I am sorry.

[innocentvillager]

See but now you feel caught for the wrong reasons

no dude

I am upset because throughout this game, people are throwing shots at me with little to no explanation calling me scum for all sorts of shitty narrative reasons

I’m too defensive!
It feels like scum me is just throwing shade in a slimy way!
I’m not as engaged or towny as some random previous game when i am coming off hiatus have less time for this and town is doing fine!
It feels like I’m trying to have a different opinion so I’m scum!

there’s plenty more but I can’t think of it rn but it

I’m not sure who is scum doing it or if they are just enjoying town eat at me but it’s fucking annoying

I’m upset because people have been calling me underwhelming when I’ve done more and posted plenty of my thoughts at this point more than most people here, given plenty of thoughts

I’m upset because when I point out how reasonings against me are dumb and shitty I get hit with shit like this. And now someone’s going to call me scum for being defensive

Honestly if I was scum I would just gtfo of here why even play lmao. But there’s no way in hell im being mislimmed here idec

I’m upset because the moment I defend std people find it scummy and somehow immediately jump to I’m just scum WKing - this literally isn’t the first time this has happened mini 2207

if I lose this to solo scum nor I might need another hiatus this is too much holy shit

[innocentvillager]

it feels scummy because it doesn’t really make sense to me

are you going to actually respond to my thing or just take unexplained potshots at me to fit the narrative that I’m scum here

It doesn’t make sense to me either, that you’re questioning an perfectly natural comment.

Can you please respond to my actual content in that post??

[innocentvillager]

I’m sorry i need to handle being scumread better

this is just going to happen and I need to accept it. sorry if I’m being toxic.

[innocentvillager]

i can't wait to lose this game because of some bullshit

This is what i found townie.

Your vote is whatever.

okay but you quote this exact post, like 10 pages after he expresses that std is town here, so it feels weird that you’re saying that you’ve had this thought this whole time now? idk

and how come that logic doesn’t apply to me when I’ve also been defending std?

[innocentvillager]

how could he possibly post that as scum here

And this is because it’s my image of scum!Datisi.

what you are saying here is that scum!datisi doesn’t go out of his way to white knight std in the first place?

scum Datisi will never make that post having said what he said in the past 10 pages and it has absolutely nothing to do with meta and my point was just when u said it was that exact post that that just made me go ????

[innocentvillager]

wtf no it’s not me

I still think Ali hammering partner without claim seems out of scumrange, so probably dwlee then datisi

need to think about this a bit more

[innocentvillager]

@T3

if JK protects player A, Babysitter targets player A, and mafia kill Babysitter, does player A die?

[innocentvillager]

alright well both PRs gamethrew together so weeeeee thanks guys :/ (it’s okay I forgive you also I guess nor thought his action was doing nothing also we still probs win)

Okay marci proba not coming back, we should be good if we literally just bet the game on one person being town right? Say we bet on Ali being town, kill me today, jail dwlee

If no kill then kill dwlee and jail Datisi and we win if Ali is town
If marci slot dies then dwlee can vote out Datisi and we win if Ali is town

[innocentvillager]

as much as I would like to be the one town bets the game on i don’t think I’m really in that kind of position rn unfortunately

my current pick is Ali but I’ll have to reread later to lock that in

can everyone talk about their thoughts on this and if approve who you’d pick for the townie?

[innocentvillager]

i'll vote iv too i honestly don't care I only care about the 1v1 tomorrow.

actually probably should just go iv first and have that flip available to me in the event that the 1v1 does in fact happen tomorrow

Ali can u talk about how ur thinking about this rn?

[innocentvillager]

Well the point about faker is that IV's progression on me was bad cause it was like yea faker seems town but dwlee blabla

you might want to expand on the blabla part

[innocentvillager]

dwlee why do you feel so unengaged? i dont think ive played with you before is this just your playstyle

i thought faker was ~fine but i don't feel like ive noticed your presence this game really

This is the post. It's scummy

okay this feels like a new point now

I didn’t feel like you had a presence - you don’t know how I am going experiencing the game regardless of either of our alignments

I haven’t really interacted with you until recently

What’s my scum motivation for this - you think Scum!me is going “oh I should take this opp to shade dwlee so I’m going to make this up about him when it’s supposedly clearly false”? please explain what the fuck is running through your mind here

[innocentvillager]

your ridiculous obsession with that one post which is probably just NAI is absolutely mind blowing to me

[innocentvillager]

im debating whether or not to apologize for my aggressive tone i hope im not being too rude im just tilted for some reason

[innocentvillager]

i mean just reread your posts and you will see that they just look super narrativy but at least i think i can see where ur headspace is? ill try to address the posts in order

That has been the point the entire time I've been pushing you. I think scum you knows you have to 1.) Look busy and 2.) That you need to be making people doubt their townreads on townread slots to avoid being killed. That post fits it

so every post anyone makes that is bringing up a concern about someone else who is "townread" (were u townread then? ider i don't think you even were?) is scum bullshitting fake content to look busy and evily miselim someone?

so you're saying I'm scum completely bullshitting this purely to look busy? if i really was scum why would i fake something that's simply not true when I could probably dig for something that's actually true

OR maybe im town who didn't feel much of your presence at that point and wanted to know why? [which you literally ended up admitted that you're not engaged in TWO different posts, one of them getting annoyed because you were "not engaged because u had to find 1 in 6 scum?" or something]

idk this narrative feels way more natural to me but obviously im biased

Votecount:

• GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
  marcistar (1): The M&Ms
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
  Save The Dragons (1): marcistar
  MathBlade (1): NorwegianboyEE
  innocentvillager (1): GeorgeBailey

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Votecount:

• GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
  innocentvillager (2): GeorgeBailey, NorwegianboyEE
  marcistar (1): Alisae
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
  Save The Dragons (1): marcistar

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MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

Also this feels like the "vote my buddy as I'm going down" vote.

..... i don't even think i need to respond to this

Votecount:

• Save The Dragons (3): MathBlade, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE
  innocentvillager (1): Save The Dragons
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocenntvillager

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Votecount:

• Save The Dragons (3): MathBlade, marcistar, Datisi
  innocentvillager (3): Save The Dragons, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocenntvillager

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Also your vote was parked on norwee, one of the only people other than me not claimed which is ??? given yesterday's game state

i thought nor was most likely scum of the choices and preferred him to the alternatives, it's pretty simple

i think regardless of ur alignment you are fitting reasons to your read rather than the other way around and if ur town i suggest you stop it immediately this should be mafia 101

like at least admit that your argument is a narrative argument and that ur not confident in that being the exact reason and that u think im scum due to PoE or gut.

[innocentvillager]

i legitimately don't know who is scum between you and datisi anymore datisi has been p underwhelming too lately

OH MAI GOD look more shade I MUST BE SCUM

[innocentvillager]

whoever of you it is played very well imo (besides the george bus i guess?) idk why you decided to bus george tho it's frustrating not really knowing who

on one hand Datisi has been doing all the things i expect town him to do for the most part but feels like coasting

dwlee feels like way more intense than before but maybe it's just because they are coming after me hard now?? idk i wouldn't expect scum to be trying here bc i think hammer just goes to Ali last day

so maybe it's just datisi bigbraining me this whole time gdi but why do you half bus george

idk this game fuck

[innocentvillager]

whatever i clearly have no idea whatt he fuck is going on just bet the game on alisae being town i guess this was a pretty horrendous performance by me anyways.

[innocentvillager]

Votecount:

• GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
  innocentvillager (2): GeorgeBailey, NorwegianboyEE
  marcistar (1): The M&Ms
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
  Save The Dragons (1): marcistar

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

probs want to changes The M&Ms to Alisae

also
VOTE: george

yeah horrendous hammer if scum it literally makes no sense there was plenty of time and literally Ali could've just told George to claim asap

the chance of winning is way too small. no scum in their right mind would go into night without knowing who the PRs are - also Ali would've shot STD which was clearly wrong so scum!Ali didn't just know who the PRs were. Ali is good scum and probably would've made george claim earlier or yelled at him to claim before hammering. pending dwlee accepting death in the Ali vs Dwlee 1v1 i think im probablyyyyy good with this

[innocentvillager]

well it's not so who is it if not me

[innocentvillager]

honestly if i was scum i probably just concede d2 what was the point

both PRs literally gamethrew (although the Nor kill itself was kinda questionable?) and scum is STILL probably just fucked

[innocentvillager]

*laughs in green PM*

[innocentvillager]

whatever i don't think this is that productive

i just think your reasons are shit and you did all these back and forth gymnastics to ultimately what amounts to complete narrative BS and, finally, gut

to justify your scumread on me

i wish i knew if u were scum or not but rn i don't really care that much anymore

congrats you've won

[innocentvillager]

meh actually id feel a little better if ur scum because you're not endgaming here LOL

[innocentvillager]

dwlee i kinda just want to teach you a lesson about confirmation bias if u are town here it's sad how completely blinded you are by this narrative of me being scum

say a percentage you think im scum

we can talk about it postgame

[innocentvillager]

w o w im so petty (:

[innocentvillager]

you are the one calling me definitive scum when i am town

im not patronizing you and this has nothing to do with ur join date

and i am totally on board with ur plan to get jailed if i flip today

[innocentvillager]

and if ur scum of course you're playing fine

[innocentvillager]

i really dislike dwlees last string of posts

I could clog up the thread by responding to each individual one when I’m on comp but that’s a) effort/time I don’t have today and b) probably noise/not helpful for sorting anyone I’m trying to not just fight back with my ego

The core of my problem with most of is that it’s just narrative narrative despite me responding to their points and explaining how they’re bad it’s like those conversations never even happened. The new accusations Like wishy washy and not scumreads are a) recycled from STD’s case and b) just how I play/shouldn’t even be scummy in a vacuum without meta. I voted nor because I thought he was weakly most likely from scum something that has mostly stayed consistent throughout the game. There’s no reason any of these actions are scum and dwlee feels satisfied just pointing them out and goign ???

My progression on dwlee slot as far as I can recall has been “ehhh Faker looks townie through his proactiveness/solvy efforting and interactions with Datisi”, didn’t really care about dwlee until I realized I barely noticed them in the game and was shifting some attention there, and now a decent suspect that I don’t really townread. I don’t think dwlee has done anything out of town or scumrange really so I’m just not sure. I don’t see why they keep saying this is a horrible progression or whatever.

I don’t feel like the going all in on George being scum is necessarily THAT anti partnery. Iirc the context was just datisi’s single push and they could’ve taken a risk and hoped the day would converge on me instead since I was the leading wagon, but I’ll have to reread. I think the self towncase section is the part I’m most okay with tbh so I’ll need to give that a proper look

final thought is why are they going so hard and feeling so good about bombing two scum cases here? Like hello there’s only one scum in the game? This if anything sets me off the most as kind of scummy because i feel like u should know one of those is wrong and that ur just fitting reasons at that point to the read. I mean I get that we only need to find one town but in that case scumcasing the two other people instead of detailed towncasifn Datisi feels like the wrong mindset for town, whereas it makes more sense for scum to being in that mindset to shade Two remaining ppl to keep them elimmable