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Post #6 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:20 am
Postby Menalque »
I will probably crumb something but in a very subtle way
I think after last game you could also 100% get away with claiming to have neighbouriser me later
You’d have to trust that you could win the 1v1 tho bc claiming a neighbouriser who then got flipped would lose ya the game when I backed up being in a neighbourhood with you
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Post #19 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:51 am
Postby Menalque »
I don’t think I’d worry too much about trying to get icon to TR you, he’s mislynch bait and I think if he does end up SRing you you can always try the “you always do this, my behaviour isn’t NAI and you should know better by now”
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Post #29 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:45 pm
Postby Menalque »
I’m wondering if they have an existing neighbourhood at start of day or just a neighboriser or both
I think we might be able to spot the neighbours in which case we probably wanna kill them unless we get added because I think people in neighbourhoods do tend towards TLs on each other
So if we’re in the neighbourhood it’s beneficial but if we’re not then it’ll prob be a bit harder to get either person to lynch the other
That also makes me think that again, unless we get added, it’s prob easiest if you just crumb neighbour enabler (prob just enough to crumb something to do with neighbourhoods, I think town would not wanna make it overly obvious what their specific role was, so they’d allude to the general power but maybe not the enabler part)
Or you could crumb something to do with neighbourhoods somewhere and something to do with enabling elsewhere
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Post #31 (isolation #12) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:49 pm
Postby Menalque »
I think neighbour hunting is a good move because if we think their game is weak we might just wanna try to keep them alive, kill off more confident players and then bring someone unsure into 5p lylo and try to get them to vote the others first
But again, that would be win or lose because a flip in 5p lylo basically confirms the others
So I would lean towards neighbour hunt and then kill
I think town may be pretty low on power based on our lack of power
And I think that our long term gameplan is probably similar to the one from you and korina: to set the associatives so that if I take a lot of heat setting a particular mislynch then you’re in a position to win for us in 3p
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Post #33 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:50 pm
Postby Menalque »
It’s just gonna be viewed as gating the neighbours I think, so I doubt they’d find it weird unless they were speculating about a lot of scum power or something
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Post #35 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:52 pm
Postby Menalque »
Either way I don’t think you wanna crumb anything right out of the gate, it’s easier to throw in midway through D1 maybe in an analysis heavy post where people are more likely to miss it
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Post #51 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:02 pm
Postby Menalque »
In post 49, Datisi wrote:Tbh I was just thinking of like... Spelling you the word "neighbor" in like... The firat letter of the last word of my posts
Andnrhen spelling enabler later on somewhere
Yeah I like this if you can keep the posts sounding natural m, which I think you csn
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Post #52 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:03 pm
Postby Menalque »
In post 48, Datisi wrote:Like if you were planning on saying something like "haha datisi are you scum again" I'd rather not
But if referencing past games is your thing and not doing that would be even more sus then do it
See, the thing is this is almost certainly what I’d do as town
But fortunately I really doubt anyone here knows me well enough to know that’s almost certainly what I’d do as town
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Post #62 (isolation #31) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:14 pm
Postby Menalque »
Like we can try and work around it if you really don’t like it but my go to thing (which anyone will see if they even caguely meta me) is that I go straight for people I’ve played with before in new games
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Post #71 (isolation #35) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:21 pm
Postby Menalque »
Also, idk if you know this but it’s prob best to avoid nullreading each other as much as possible
So put me towards the top of your townreads or the bottom of your scumreads once there’s some content but don’t pop me in the middle
I think people tend towards scunreading me early game then shift to TRing me as time goes on/as I effort the game more, if you wanna know what I think typical town trajectories are on me when I’m town
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Post #74 (isolation #37) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:23 pm
Postby Menalque »
Ugh that’s actually kind of an annoying habit for him to. have in a micro
Because I think he’s rarely the top priority scum kill in a townblco because he’s mislynchable, but if he did perceive us as such then it would raise questions how we all 3 got to lylo
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Post #75 (isolation #38) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:25 pm
Postby Menalque »
Last game I was particularly towny from early on imo, because I was pushed into being towny from early due to korina’s bad faith push
If there’s no pressure I normally just start off shitpsiting a bit then doing reads without loads of explanation and when pressure comes finally towning it up a lot
I think I can also try to produce more content from early on tho if I’m motivated
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Post #76 (isolation #39) » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:26 pm
Postby Menalque »
I kinda wanna try to lead town into mislynches and then justify me still being alive as scum choosing to let me take the heat for leading the lynches while keeping their hands clesn
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Post #91 (isolation #46) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:36 am
Postby Menalque »
On the upside, seems like there may be several people who strong push stuff which means that so long as we’re not lynched we can definitely explain not being the NK given their presence in the gane
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Post #93 (isolation #48) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:37 am
Postby Menalque »
Also, don’t panic about me calling you out as good scum, it’s natural and it doesn’t stop me getting to a TR on you later if you keep playing like you are, TRing someone who I think is good as scum albeit with lots of paranoia is normal for me
In post 90, Menalque wrote:I think the only thing that’s gonna keep me energised this game will be you
Awwww I missed this the first time
I'm sorry if you don't like playing scum, but I'll try my best to keep thr spirits up at least
It’s weird, like when I started I really wanted to roll scum because I liked the idea of fooling people and not having the stress of trying to solve because I already had all the info
But now that it’s been a few months I don’t really enjoy misrepping people I like/respect which makes it a lot harder for me to be scum, and although I’m still not what I’d consider a ‘good’ player I do think my ability to read has improved a lot and so I enjoy trying to solve a lot more — like there was a point where I didn’t understand people who said their favourite role is VT but now I totally do, as that means you can just focus on trying to figure out the game and don’t have to think nearly as much about your own behaviour and how it’s coming across
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Post #100 (isolation #50) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:01 am
Postby Menalque »
I don’t think the spotlight is on you so much as it’s on people reading you, so klick and ico
Let’s try to keep it there, discuss ico a bit more
Chem is unlikely to do that much (sorry if you’re reading this chem, but you know it’s true) on D1 so he’s a good option for a compromise lynch if no one is standing out as a good lynch target later in the day
Right now my thoughts are that klick/bella might be good options for that
Dong seems competent from initial impressions, good nk probably, although I think icon may well have softed neighbour/neighbouriser so if that’s true then we probably just kill him N1?
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Post #101 (isolation #51) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:02 am
Postby Menalque »
I think probably the best thing for you to do is ignore us talking about whether people are TRing you too early and just keep focusing on sorting people
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Post #106 (isolation #53) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:07 am
Postby Menalque »
Just try not to focus too much on it
Also I think we might just wanna kill him because there’s the possibility of friendly neighbour which would give him a conf!scum on you if he did do that I think
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Post #115 (isolation #59) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:13 am
Postby Menalque »
I think chem mindmelding me is quite natural, I think my thoughts on you/klick/ico are a good imitation of where my hea would be at as town so I can see chem having similar thoughts and thinking he’s mindmelding me based on that
But is also let’s me push being worried about him buddying me later if I want to, which is useful
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Post #123 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:21 am
Postby Menalque »
Checking in real fast before I go to a movie, haven’t read the main thread
I think one thing we need to think about is lylo. I think a long term game plan is important, and we should work towards that. So we pick a townie who we think will vote another townie in lylo and then our entire game is getting to lylo with both of them there with us
That then dictates NKs, actions in thread etc
So if one good option is to bring one of klick/Bella to lylo, and we think song might vote them, then the play is to subtle buddy dong during D1 and 2 and push lynched on people who aren’t contributing
I’m not 100% that’s the plan, but I certainly think it’s viable.
As the thread picks up, we should figure out where we ideally wanna go long term tho, and then drive the game that direction. Of course, no guarantees, because mechanical stuff can always screw us, maybe we can’t get the lynches we want, but I still think win percentage goes way up when you know where you’re going and everything you do in thread is aimed toward that goal