Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Chara]

Chara, thank you for responding to my question by the way. I also liked your previous avatar! Would you like to talk reads, or have any questions for me?

oh, sure.
i don't know if i have any questions for you specifically. i'm pretty happy with where the wagons are right now, and when it comes to solving i think i'll do better when there are less people in play. but i did promise to put some effort in, so i'll see if i have anything more useful to add right now.

as for my avatar, i've simply gone back to my old one. Alluka was temporary. thanks for the compliment, though. :>

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't care if the wagon is pure though, why do you

[Dunkerdoodles]

if the wagon is pure there's a better chance of the wagon being scum. pretty basic

anyways, i never said i wasn't going to join the wagon, i just don't like it right now
we haven't even elected a leader yet, nor do we know the council thingys we vote on

[Ranmaru]

Creature

: Nero Cain, A50, Chara, Brass, Kokichi, Marshy

That was the wagon. Dunker, do you note Creature coming in to do anything lately?

[Chara]

even if creature is scum there has to be a least 1 busser

if it's multiball though then that changes things

if Creature's scum, i'd say it's a certainty there's someone bussing him, because it's Creature. i used to be skeptical, but it really is that easy to tell.
do you have anything to say about all of the players saying this is his scum meta? are you just ignoring it?

pedit: so you're not happy with it right now, but you also might join it later?
considering the likelihood of multiball, i really doubt any wagon that's actually possible to lynch is going to be "pure".

[Titus]

@Kokichi Oka, I have felt a general pattern of you trying to push for control and dominance early, even against confirmed town. I am trying to understand your objective in this and what you are seeking to do. It feels rather desperate, which seems odd for any day 1. What is it you were hoping to achieve day 1?

This is such a weird question. Are you asking me why I want to be in control and trust myself over others?

Not just being in control but why do you disparage others to do so. Why do you seek power over confirmed town? Why do you feel that Creature is good over Klazam? Why do you seem to ignore what isn't directly relevant to what you are pushing?

In short, what is your agenda?

1. I don't play down. Who have belittled out of you or Elbrin? (Except when you just made that scummy post and did the same to me.) I made an argument that IC shouldn't be WC leader that's all.

2. Creature is a meta read and he's posting elsewhere and avoiding this game. He's scum for sure.

3. I haven't been ignoring anything, I have the most posts in the game. I've been in every discussion. The only one I don't like is setup spec which is silly to do when we haven't even voted on WC or seen flips or night deaths. Why are you misrepping me? It seems like you're more worried about me being in WC over you, based on your posts. Not the other way around.

1. You've utterly ignored the points against Klazam and the Creature points too.

Second, the IC is the only confirmed town in the game, thus intuitively should be the Host. The fact you argued against that when town should be uninformed dictates that I call you out and determine just what your goal is.

2. Great, Creature lurks all the time. I don't see his crossout lists he likes to do. Yet meta is hot garbage.

3. If you've been in every discussion then why is your stance on Klazam so murky and why do you insist on Creature being the lynch only AFTER Klazam takes off?

4. You've mentioned me being afraid of you being leader. That's pretty accurate when you place yourself above confirmed town. You place your methods as the only ones that have value. You dismiss Varsoon's scumhunting rather than engage him.

So what are you trying to do here? At best, you get the power you seek and die and town has nothing to work from, no cohesion due to lack of respect. At worst, you're scum trying to center the game on yourself and stop town cohesion. Nothing good can come from seeking power early unless you have a specific thing to investigate (like the early VCs). You seem to have an agenda, but I can't see what your endgame goal is. So I am being blunt.

Just what do you think you are accomplishing by your me first attitude?

[Titus]

This Titus v. Kokichi thing really makes me want to thrust the mantle onto Elbirn and laugh as the town does what town does best and screws over three people at once.

I would be fine with that. I put my hat in the ring to test reads and reactions, not so much to be host myself as I am better late with data.

[Chara]

blah. i've typed and retyped this enough. Titus, could you find somewhere else to focus? i think you're both town and that Kokichi's style is just one that grates on you. by all means continue your discussion with him but i don't know if i see it going anywhere based on this.

pedit: i'd rather Elbirn was not the host.

[Titus]

Titus

: Why aren't you working with me or interacting with me at all? Why do you follow Varsoon on Klazam? What's your read on Marshy and Gamma?

The first can be fixed. I was busy at the times you were on. I like more immediate interactions.

I followed Varsoon because I largely agree with what he says on Klazam. He outlined clear scum motivations and deliberate attempts to avoid the spotlight. It's as good a place as any, especially for someone seeking to avoid my bad habit of d1 tunnelling.

Marshy is rather new, so I kinda don't have a baseline to read him off. He's a decent investigation choice.I need to see if he was on the brass wagon from before.

Gamma, my gut says lean scum for early but it's improved. His recent posting has much more content and I feel more like he could be prime mislynch material like in the last Mafiauniverse game we played...I think it was assassin's creed but my memory fails.

[Titus]

blah. i've typed and retyped this enough. Titus, could you find somewhere else to focus? i think you're both town and that Kokichi's style is just one that grates on you. by all means continue your discussion with him but i don't know if i see it going anywhere based on this.

pedit: i'd rather Elbirn was not the host.

I just want him to lay his cards on the table. If he's town, it helps me work with him better. If he's scum, his moves become easier to counter. Either way, he bdcomes easier to sort. By doing this now

before any resolutions should be known

I can avoid conflating finding his power seeking agenda versus the actual resolutions.

[marshy]

Marshy is rather new.

>looks at my joindate
>looks at titus

these kids never show respect

[Joey_]

top tier debating itt

Loled

[Gamma Emerald]

if the wagon is pure there's a better chance of the wagon being scum. pretty basic

anyways, i never said i wasn't going to join the wagon, i just don't like it right now
we haven't even elected a leader yet, nor do we know the council thingys we vote on

So you were indirectly calling Creature town. Sweet!

[ActionDan]

Activity overview:

Gamma Emerald: 126 posts.

Impressive.

[Gamma Emerald]

Activity overview:

Gamma Emerald: 126 posts.

Impressive.

Go on. I'm ready. What are

you

waiting for?

[brassherald]

Activity overview:

Gamma Emerald: 126 posts.

Impressive.

My man, I can't help but notice your vote for World Congress host is not yet cast...

[Ranmaru]

VOTE BRASS 2018

[ActionDan]

If he swings 2nd place to Non-Kokichi I'll do that.

[Chara]

he's not going to swing anywhere if we don't get on with the vote. what are you waiting for?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice to see AD shading my posting frequency with no actual backbone. He's scum.

[brassherald]

If he swings 2nd place to Non-Kokichi I'll do that.

I'm going to be putting it on Titus, as discussed before, but right now, your vote, Creature's vote and Kiana's vote are out there. As the only confirmed town in the game, I'm holding on to my vote to make sure that none of the three remaining delegates are put in by a rogue voter.

[Nero Cain]

Chara

if you were suspicious of me why didnt you say anything about me before? at least I don't think you have.

[Chara]

i feel as though talking about my thoughts on you and asking others how they're reading you constitutes saying something.

i don't think you're obvtown, so i was wondering why dunker held that opinion.
why am i scum, Nero? besides for commenting on your question.

[Kokichi Oma]

3. If you've been in every discussion then why is your stance on Klazam so murky and why do you insist on Creature being the lynch only AFTER Klazam takes off?

This is a flat out lie, I voted Creature awhile ago.

[Kokichi Oma]

4. You've mentioned me being afraid of you being leader. That's pretty accurate when you place yourself above confirmed town. You place your methods as the only ones that have value. You dismiss Varsoon's scumhunting rather than engage him.

This is also a misrep. When did I ever say I am above confirmed town? I didn't dismiss Varsoon either, I engaged him. Look at my iso and you'll see most of my beginning posts were engaging him, so this is another flat out lie.